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		<title>By: Thales</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 01:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hindesight is...&lt;a href=&quot;http://aryanstreet.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/swedes-fight-back/&quot; / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;something...something...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hindesight is&#8230;<a href="http://aryanstreet.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/swedes-fight-back/" / rel="nofollow">something&#8230;something&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 00:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I reckon we have about seven years&quot; -- When people look back,  they&#039;ll think it had already, very clearly, begun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I reckon we have about seven years&#8221; &#8212; When people look back,  they&#8217;ll think it had already, very clearly, begun.</p>
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		<title>By: Thales</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 23:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glancing at my Strauss-Howe wrist chronometer, I reckon we have about seven years.

Sooo, probably not...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glancing at my Strauss-Howe wrist chronometer, I reckon we have about seven years.</p>
<p>Sooo, probably not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 23:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. This is the Moldbug model, and it&#039;s right. The Cathedral is structurally incapable of restoring order, domestically or internationally. Insofar as it persists, deepening chaos is confidently predictable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. This is the Moldbug model, and it&#8217;s right. The Cathedral is structurally incapable of restoring order, domestically or internationally. Insofar as it persists, deepening chaos is confidently predictable.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 22:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re wrong about this. When the cops get the directive to pacify the native thugs, they know that they have the licence to do what needs to be done, and no journalist or other busybody will be hounding them for whatever violations of due process they may commit in the course of achieving this goal, within very broad bounds of discretion. In contrast, when it comes to pacifying the immigrant rioters -- or leftists practicing approved forms of &quot;civil disobedience&quot; -- cops know that their every move will be held under microscopic scrutiny by journalists, civil rights bureaucrats and activists, and others capable of creating nasty legal and PR trouble, to the point of paralyzing all effective policing. 

Ultimately, it&#039;s about the cops&#039; awareness about who has powerful allies and sympathizers capable of giving them trouble, and who can be pushed around without concern. All the trouble with the criminal underclass and rioting is just another consequence of this basic intra-government conflict. (In this sense, it&#039;s a precise analogy for the bungling foreign wars of USG.) Absent this conflict, maintenance of public order is a very easy task.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re wrong about this. When the cops get the directive to pacify the native thugs, they know that they have the licence to do what needs to be done, and no journalist or other busybody will be hounding them for whatever violations of due process they may commit in the course of achieving this goal, within very broad bounds of discretion. In contrast, when it comes to pacifying the immigrant rioters &#8212; or leftists practicing approved forms of &#8220;civil disobedience&#8221; &#8212; cops know that their every move will be held under microscopic scrutiny by journalists, civil rights bureaucrats and activists, and others capable of creating nasty legal and PR trouble, to the point of paralyzing all effective policing. </p>
<p>Ultimately, it&#8217;s about the cops&#8217; awareness about who has powerful allies and sympathizers capable of giving them trouble, and who can be pushed around without concern. All the trouble with the criminal underclass and rioting is just another consequence of this basic intra-government conflict. (In this sense, it&#8217;s a precise analogy for the bungling foreign wars of USG.) Absent this conflict, maintenance of public order is a very easy task.</p>
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		<title>By: name redacted</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;unemployment + welfare dependency = war&quot;

technology is increating both factors on the left, so the right side will get larger. the future sure is bright, vibrant like a thermonuclear mushroom cloud. will the singularity bail us out in time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;unemployment + welfare dependency = war&#8221;</p>
<p>technology is increating both factors on the left, so the right side will get larger. the future sure is bright, vibrant like a thermonuclear mushroom cloud. will the singularity bail us out in time?</p>
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		<title>By: AWC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 16:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outstanding brief summary of Islam and how it&#039;s utilized by both left and right!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding brief summary of Islam and how it&#8217;s utilized by both left and right!</p>
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		<title>By: Anomaly UK</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 15:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re the Kaus argument, here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=7781&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2009 article by Gunnar Heinsohn&lt;/a&gt; describing even Gaza as basically a problem of unemployment / welfare dependency.  I was &lt;a href=&quot;http://anomalyuk.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;struck by it&lt;/a&gt; at the time.

As to whether the Swedish government really could crush the uprising if it were not more convenient to let it continue: I&#039;m not sure.  I think &quot;native thugs&quot; are generally more vulnerable to a crackdown, because, in my limited experience, they largely are people with jobs and families, and embedded within a culture that is sympathetic to the state and its ideals. The state is helpless toward the rioters for the same reason it is helpless towards the native criminal underclass, because there is no punishment or harassment it is willing to inflict on them beyond what it is already doing.

(Obviously if the state were suddenly to start challenging Carlyle or Cromer, it could do what it wanted,  but that&#039;s beside the point).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the Kaus argument, here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=7781" rel="nofollow">2009 article by Gunnar Heinsohn</a> describing even Gaza as basically a problem of unemployment / welfare dependency.  I was <a href="http://anomalyuk.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza.html" rel="nofollow">struck by it</a> at the time.</p>
<p>As to whether the Swedish government really could crush the uprising if it were not more convenient to let it continue: I&#8217;m not sure.  I think &#8220;native thugs&#8221; are generally more vulnerable to a crackdown, because, in my limited experience, they largely are people with jobs and families, and embedded within a culture that is sympathetic to the state and its ideals. The state is helpless toward the rioters for the same reason it is helpless towards the native criminal underclass, because there is no punishment or harassment it is willing to inflict on them beyond what it is already doing.</p>
<p>(Obviously if the state were suddenly to start challenging Carlyle or Cromer, it could do what it wanted,  but that&#8217;s beside the point).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 15:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite its own oft-remarked stagnation, Islam operates as a crucial political accelerator, because it speeds the mainstream into collapse. Both mainstream Left and Right assume a version of &#039;progressive&#039; change. For the Left, this is to be catalysed by the enlightened state, promulgating universal egalitarianism (the Cathedral). For the Right, it is to be achieved  by economic pressure, compelling adaptations or &#039;upgrades&#039; through competitive dynamics. Both sides of this spectrum operationalize Islam to spike the other. The Left exploits Islam as a militant refusal of adaptation, celebrating its stubborn rage as multicultural victimology -- and one with unique agency (compared to which all other recognized victim groups -- with the possible exception of black urban youth -- are total pussies). The Right, less deliberately (I think), leverages the complete unassimilability of Muslim populations to progressive universalism, collapsing the last credible remnants of state-level social solidarity in rampant tribal conflict. The welfare state is fundamentally incompatible with large-scale Muslim populations. Educational teleology disintegrates. The cohesive social narrative frays and burns. In the end, quite patently, &quot;there is no such thing as society.&quot; A new chapter begins ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite its own oft-remarked stagnation, Islam operates as a crucial political accelerator, because it speeds the mainstream into collapse. Both mainstream Left and Right assume a version of &#8216;progressive&#8217; change. For the Left, this is to be catalysed by the enlightened state, promulgating universal egalitarianism (the Cathedral). For the Right, it is to be achieved  by economic pressure, compelling adaptations or &#8216;upgrades&#8217; through competitive dynamics. Both sides of this spectrum operationalize Islam to spike the other. The Left exploits Islam as a militant refusal of adaptation, celebrating its stubborn rage as multicultural victimology &#8212; and one with unique agency (compared to which all other recognized victim groups &#8212; with the possible exception of black urban youth &#8212; are total pussies). The Right, less deliberately (I think), leverages the complete unassimilability of Muslim populations to progressive universalism, collapsing the last credible remnants of state-level social solidarity in rampant tribal conflict. The welfare state is fundamentally incompatible with large-scale Muslim populations. Educational teleology disintegrates. The cohesive social narrative frays and burns. In the end, quite patently, &#8220;there is no such thing as society.&#8221; A new chapter begins &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Goulding</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Goulding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 14:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The mainstream-friendly (Cathedral-friendly) element of Kaus&#039;s commentary is the idea that even more &lt;a href=&quot;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/real-meaning-of-diversity.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;forced integration&lt;/a&gt; is necessary.

Kaus isn&#039;t convincing. One large motivating factor for Muslim and ethnic minority rioting and violence is that this behaviour is encouraged, &lt;i&gt;i.e.&lt;/i&gt; this is a means for their communities, and their young men in particular, to acquire prestige and power. When the Cathedral doesn&#039;t want violence and intimidation to be a source of status, it crushes these primitive phenomena—&lt;i&gt;e.g.&lt;/i&gt; in the case of native thugs.

Of course, Dalit power is capped by the Brahmin caste&#039;s need to maintain authority. But for the unremarkable individuals who riot and commit terrorist acts, this is both unclear and irrelevant. Humans love whatever power they can get.

The relationship between Islam, as scripture, and violence—&lt;i&gt;i.e.&lt;/i&gt; the small amount of truth in the works of Robert Spencer &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt;—is that Islam, being a religion of belligerence, is most consistent with the Cathedral&#039;s distributed-Machiavellian need for a pet nuisance.

Another motivating factor, I think, is that as a (relatively) genuinely religious people with a unique outside perspective, Muslims recognise the worst excesses of the Cathedral (a.k.a. the Great Satan) and, in their primitive way, perceive their aggressive piety to be the only means of staving off sexual incontinence, brutalist architecture and the whole tacky, infantilised culture of the modern West.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mainstream-friendly (Cathedral-friendly) element of Kaus&#8217;s commentary is the idea that even more <a href="http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/real-meaning-of-diversity.html" rel="nofollow">forced integration</a> is necessary.</p>
<p>Kaus isn&#8217;t convincing. One large motivating factor for Muslim and ethnic minority rioting and violence is that this behaviour is encouraged, <i>i.e.</i> this is a means for their communities, and their young men in particular, to acquire prestige and power. When the Cathedral doesn&#8217;t want violence and intimidation to be a source of status, it crushes these primitive phenomena—<i>e.g.</i> in the case of native thugs.</p>
<p>Of course, Dalit power is capped by the Brahmin caste&#8217;s need to maintain authority. But for the unremarkable individuals who riot and commit terrorist acts, this is both unclear and irrelevant. Humans love whatever power they can get.</p>
<p>The relationship between Islam, as scripture, and violence—<i>i.e.</i> the small amount of truth in the works of Robert Spencer <i>et al</i>—is that Islam, being a religion of belligerence, is most consistent with the Cathedral&#8217;s distributed-Machiavellian need for a pet nuisance.</p>
<p>Another motivating factor, I think, is that as a (relatively) genuinely religious people with a unique outside perspective, Muslims recognise the worst excesses of the Cathedral (a.k.a. the Great Satan) and, in their primitive way, perceive their aggressive piety to be the only means of staving off sexual incontinence, brutalist architecture and the whole tacky, infantilised culture of the modern West.</p>
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