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		<title>By: Grotto</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ultimate exit. Western civilization will be preserved on some Martian colony, with Elon Musk clones and organic frozen yogurt smoothie bars. A dark enlightenment indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ultimate exit. Western civilization will be preserved on some Martian colony, with Elon Musk clones and organic frozen yogurt smoothie bars. A dark enlightenment indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they flee to space, it&#039;s game on (however annoying they are).]]></description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my uncles are all steam fitters in the midwest though my grandad went to school at night and became an engineer he had a rain man math ability and photographic memory i keep hoping will turn up again.My dad went to the navy  college then the seminary then got cold feet before ordination and a went to Georgetown for foreign service after a brief stint in Wash he moved to NYC and suddenly decided to make his hobby  a career he became an actor a relatively successful one, I sort of re traced his steps back to the trades. So i really feel no affinity for any class but rather like being able to move about as I said they decided to be bohemian i suppose anfdraise us in the ghetto eventually i went to school with kids who lived on fifth and park avenue so ive been the rich kid of a movie star in the ghetto the poor kid of that actor on the upper east side and the kid from a decidedly blue collar irish catholic pig in the parlor family. to make it even more complicated he married a girl on holiday who tried to raise us all as English gentleman Ive never heard that phrase used derisively or thought of it that way, its not a phrase i use often but it came to me as i was imagining not so much the guys in nyc construction as  blue collar guys ive know out west and various countrified places ive been i noticed they are not usually married to their jobs they are more married to the earth they hunt fish ride and things their jobs are often not long lasting in rural economies they made drive a rigg couple years then pull green chain then frame houses but one things for sure they dont work elk season which is fine with the boss because he doesnt either some of these guys id estimate their IQs at 140 but they never finished high school dont read a thing but they can rip apart a car rebuild the engine and put it back together before sundown, I saw one guy cut up a $80k D8 cat and weld it back together after hauling it up a mountain on a high line  then take it out the same way after the logging show didnt even hesitate soon as the feds told him he couldn&#039;t walk it across the creek just walked over to his rig pulled out the torch and started cutting it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my uncles are all steam fitters in the midwest though my grandad went to school at night and became an engineer he had a rain man math ability and photographic memory i keep hoping will turn up again.My dad went to the navy  college then the seminary then got cold feet before ordination and a went to Georgetown for foreign service after a brief stint in Wash he moved to NYC and suddenly decided to make his hobby  a career he became an actor a relatively successful one, I sort of re traced his steps back to the trades. So i really feel no affinity for any class but rather like being able to move about as I said they decided to be bohemian i suppose anfdraise us in the ghetto eventually i went to school with kids who lived on fifth and park avenue so ive been the rich kid of a movie star in the ghetto the poor kid of that actor on the upper east side and the kid from a decidedly blue collar irish catholic pig in the parlor family. to make it even more complicated he married a girl on holiday who tried to raise us all as English gentleman Ive never heard that phrase used derisively or thought of it that way, its not a phrase i use often but it came to me as i was imagining not so much the guys in nyc construction as  blue collar guys ive know out west and various countrified places ive been i noticed they are not usually married to their jobs they are more married to the earth they hunt fish ride and things their jobs are often not long lasting in rural economies they made drive a rigg couple years then pull green chain then frame houses but one things for sure they dont work elk season which is fine with the boss because he doesnt either some of these guys id estimate their IQs at 140 but they never finished high school dont read a thing but they can rip apart a car rebuild the engine and put it back together before sundown, I saw one guy cut up a $80k D8 cat and weld it back together after hauling it up a mountain on a high line  then take it out the same way after the logging show didnt even hesitate soon as the feds told him he couldn&#8217;t walk it across the creek just walked over to his rig pulled out the torch and started cutting it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Grotto</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: hatred of conservatives: 

Many of us (including myself), are simply former conservatives who have gone through the five stages of grief, and no longer see conservatism as effective, or even coherent. If you understand neoconservatism, I shouldn&#039;t need to rehash how throughly corrupted modern conservatism is by liberalism.

As to Sarah Palin, and the Tea Party movement in general, I see them as proto-reactionary. I am strongly sympathetic to their cultural loyalties, and have a strong affinity to their cultural affectations. I would like nothing better than to be surrounded by kind-hearted surburban evangelical Christians in pleasant Midwestern towns. I certainly harbor no contempt or hostility towards them.

However, they simply do not recognize the threat against them, and their flag-waving patriotism, while admirably loyal and honorable, merely invites the knife that seeks to kill them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: hatred of conservatives: </p>
<p>Many of us (including myself), are simply former conservatives who have gone through the five stages of grief, and no longer see conservatism as effective, or even coherent. If you understand neoconservatism, I shouldn&#8217;t need to rehash how throughly corrupted modern conservatism is by liberalism.</p>
<p>As to Sarah Palin, and the Tea Party movement in general, I see them as proto-reactionary. I am strongly sympathetic to their cultural loyalties, and have a strong affinity to their cultural affectations. I would like nothing better than to be surrounded by kind-hearted surburban evangelical Christians in pleasant Midwestern towns. I certainly harbor no contempt or hostility towards them.</p>
<p>However, they simply do not recognize the threat against them, and their flag-waving patriotism, while admirably loyal and honorable, merely invites the knife that seeks to kill them.</p>
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		<title>By: Grotto</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-43/#comment-28454</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a good analysis, even more striking because it&#039;s posted (with implicit editorial approval) at Breitbart, another one of these conservative web-zines that is right at the edge of mainstream respectibility.

It&#039;s a different angle on the Californian techno-utopian libertarianism that has reached new levels of boldness and influence recently, and it highlights an important difference between the Tea Party &quot;Calhounians&quot;, and the free-love, have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too &quot;Heinleinians&quot;.

Unfortunately, this is about as far as the analysis can go without HBD, and without HBD, it is incomplete and inadequate. The Calhounians are at least implicitly HBD-aware, given their anti-immigraition stances, while the Heinleinians live in their high-IQ bubble where immigrant disfunction is non-existent. 

It will be interesting to see what happens when their Silicon Valley paradise is finally swamped in a LA-riots style orgy of underclass violence. My guess is they will flee to Singapore, or space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good analysis, even more striking because it&#8217;s posted (with implicit editorial approval) at Breitbart, another one of these conservative web-zines that is right at the edge of mainstream respectibility.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a different angle on the Californian techno-utopian libertarianism that has reached new levels of boldness and influence recently, and it highlights an important difference between the Tea Party &#8220;Calhounians&#8221;, and the free-love, have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too &#8220;Heinleinians&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this is about as far as the analysis can go without HBD, and without HBD, it is incomplete and inadequate. The Calhounians are at least implicitly HBD-aware, given their anti-immigraition stances, while the Heinleinians live in their high-IQ bubble where immigrant disfunction is non-existent. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what happens when their Silicon Valley paradise is finally swamped in a LA-riots style orgy of underclass violence. My guess is they will flee to Singapore, or space.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Michael&lt;/strong&gt;

Michael I&#039;m from Salt of The Earth people [mountain foothills , Rust Belt].

While you didn&#039;t mean it this way, when I hear the &quot;Salt of the Earth&quot; I distinctly hear a snub.

From Frauds BTW.   The only industry they&#039;ve built is Industrious Fraud - Finance - and it&#039;s already eaten America and the world.   

Yes they hate conservatives because they&#039;ve been taught to look down on them.   The snobbery of reaction remains, along with the addiction to intellect.   We have the Intellectual ruling class and they are utterly mad.  Perhaps politics isn&#039;t about Intellect.  We could refer to Plunkitt or perhaps Stalin.  

Sarah Palin isn&#039;t just looked down upon personally, she&#039;s a symbol of that which is feared and loathed.   Because the Salt was &lt;i&gt; wronged &lt;/i&gt; and betrayed on every point of the last 50 years.  The guilty know this better than the victims, who only have awakened the last five years.    The guilty, neurotic behavior of our elites towards the Piedmont and points West is right out of The TellTale Heart.   

Also Sarah Palin personally is a threat, and took on and defeated corruption in Alaska.   Hence the pychosis.  &quot;Big Breasted Warrior Mother&quot; and the rest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Michael</strong></p>
<p>Michael I&#8217;m from Salt of The Earth people [mountain foothills , Rust Belt].</p>
<p>While you didn&#8217;t mean it this way, when I hear the &#8220;Salt of the Earth&#8221; I distinctly hear a snub.</p>
<p>From Frauds BTW.   The only industry they&#8217;ve built is Industrious Fraud &#8211; Finance &#8211; and it&#8217;s already eaten America and the world.   </p>
<p>Yes they hate conservatives because they&#8217;ve been taught to look down on them.   The snobbery of reaction remains, along with the addiction to intellect.   We have the Intellectual ruling class and they are utterly mad.  Perhaps politics isn&#8217;t about Intellect.  We could refer to Plunkitt or perhaps Stalin.  </p>
<p>Sarah Palin isn&#8217;t just looked down upon personally, she&#8217;s a symbol of that which is feared and loathed.   Because the Salt was <i> wronged </i> and betrayed on every point of the last 50 years.  The guilty know this better than the victims, who only have awakened the last five years.    The guilty, neurotic behavior of our elites towards the Piedmont and points West is right out of The TellTale Heart.   </p>
<p>Also Sarah Palin personally is a threat, and took on and defeated corruption in Alaska.   Hence the pychosis.  &#8220;Big Breasted Warrior Mother&#8221; and the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My journey towards neoreactionary interests on the net roughly parallels Moldbug&#039;s, from what I&#039;ve read.

We were raised in institutions and in a society in which liberalism has been the only (acknowledged) game in town. Liberalism isn&#039;t only not deep, it&#039;s not even shallow. There is nothing new to be learned about it other than from the perspective of the far right.

Michael, you have some really interesting points, but you need to try for some concision. Your comments and VXXC&#039;s are unclear for opposite reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My journey towards neoreactionary interests on the net roughly parallels Moldbug&#8217;s, from what I&#8217;ve read.</p>
<p>We were raised in institutions and in a society in which liberalism has been the only (acknowledged) game in town. Liberalism isn&#8217;t only not deep, it&#8217;s not even shallow. There is nothing new to be learned about it other than from the perspective of the far right.</p>
<p>Michael, you have some really interesting points, but you need to try for some concision. Your comments and VXXC&#8217;s are unclear for opposite reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 01:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who thinks Sarah Palin was the problem on the McCain / Palin ticket deserves a public flogging.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Alan Liddell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Liddell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My comment was largely directed at &quot;And there’s the Internet. Can Idaho have its own Internet? Can any state really leave the World Wide Web?&quot;, which is self-evidently stupid, and irrelevant moreover to the rest of the point. Why should Idaho need its own Internet? Is Idaho suddenly to become the North Korea of the West? Why does secession from the United States imply &quot;leaving the World Wide Web,&quot; whatever that even means?

But fine, we&#039;ll discuss the rest of it:
&quot;Second, there’s the reality that some systems are naturally, even necessarily, big.&quot;
Uncontroversial, AFAIK. I don&#039;t see why it requires something like the federal government, which is the author&#039;s objection.

&quot;Industries need big markets to enjoy economies of scale, and they need rationalized systems of money and credit and contract-enforcement.&quot;
Just how different does the author think the markets and contract laws would really be in the several states? Do currency exchanges really cripple international commerce?

&quot;Commerce also requires robust infrastructure.&quot;
This is a fact. Again, I don&#039;t see why it requires something like the federal government. The recent discussion on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xenosystems.net/plutocracy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;plutocracy&lt;/a&gt; is extremely suggestive of the kind of infrastructure it&#039;s possible to establish if you&#039;re a monomaniacal robber baron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment was largely directed at &#8220;And there’s the Internet. Can Idaho have its own Internet? Can any state really leave the World Wide Web?&#8221;, which is self-evidently stupid, and irrelevant moreover to the rest of the point. Why should Idaho need its own Internet? Is Idaho suddenly to become the North Korea of the West? Why does secession from the United States imply &#8220;leaving the World Wide Web,&#8221; whatever that even means?</p>
<p>But fine, we&#8217;ll discuss the rest of it:<br />
&#8220;Second, there’s the reality that some systems are naturally, even necessarily, big.&#8221;<br />
Uncontroversial, AFAIK. I don&#8217;t see why it requires something like the federal government, which is the author&#8217;s objection.</p>
<p>&#8220;Industries need big markets to enjoy economies of scale, and they need rationalized systems of money and credit and contract-enforcement.&#8221;<br />
Just how different does the author think the markets and contract laws would really be in the several states? Do currency exchanges really cripple international commerce?</p>
<p>&#8220;Commerce also requires robust infrastructure.&#8221;<br />
This is a fact. Again, I don&#8217;t see why it requires something like the federal government. The recent discussion on <a href="http://www.xenosystems.net/plutocracy/" rel="nofollow">plutocracy</a> is extremely suggestive of the kind of infrastructure it&#8217;s possible to establish if you&#8217;re a monomaniacal robber baron.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This explains something I didnt understand about reaction.I didn&#039;t realize moldbugs former liberalism want an anomalie, I realize now a lot of you were once liberals. Yeah I know you weren&#039;t liberals you who independents Sure I believe you. 
So this animosity towards the GOP is a different form than those of us who are simply disgusted with their obsequious Quisling  appeasing stupidity. I knew it wasn&#039;t computing right.
The key to this may be under our noses.
         In a sense I was too, a child of the 60s we almost all responded to the zeitgeist, in the end the plague touched us all.Its been re branded but back then and in the early to mid seventies the one word you would have associated with what we thought we were participating in was freedom. And there was also a lot of getting back to cultural roots, I always found rock and roll reactionary. It didnt take long to see the end game was not going to be free. The HBD disconnect was apparent in everything from open relationships to the turn civil rights was taking. Things werent so left right yet the warmonger was a democrat,everyone read stranger in a strange land and all the dystopian and sci fi novels and of course Atlas Shrugged. Maybe it was my jesuit schooling but liberalism seemed logical to me from at least 80.I never looked back.I never cut my hair and growing up in NYC i was the only conservative libertarian actually reactionary would be the most apt -that I knew. 
But I wasnt quite a average republican I was more of an anti democrat I remember having Ollie in 88 T- shirts Printed.  just to annoy my friends. Political and Religious argument was what we did in my house besides drinking and fighting. So while my dad was also a republican I had to argue out a separate space, I saw it as he was a traditionalist and I was a pragmatist, I wanted to solve the problems of the day rationally I didnt have his attachment to the Church, For some ungodly reason he decided to raise us as the only white kids in the ghettos of the lower east side I came to know minorities as few whites ever do. women were never a mystery to me yes someone wrote recently an alpha can literally grab a girls ass in public without penalty ill do you one better I recently quipped loudly  at a dinner table full of left wing  bo bos  to a very hot black woman I know &quot; lets play Sally and Thomas&quot; To uproarious laughter from her and the other women it took the men several beats before they got their chins up off the table.I digress 
My point is im neither a Heinleinian  or Calhounian im both but until quite recently their were not such a thing as Heinleinians people understood all those books in a liberal sense they have been trained not to see the dichotomy between freedom and equality, I think it always takes Ayn rand to do that and once you cross that line you are a fascist yada yada. 
so heres my question Ive found Liberals impervious to reason no matter how intelligent. Sure I got they said they were afraid the republicans would institute theocracy but it seemed absurd, Coming from a strict Catholic upbringing I never found religion too tough to handle and I found a lot to admire. in short I wasnt afraid of religion taking over, protestants were off course fundamentally in error and self destructing with every new schism, and Catholics were so enamored of rectifying theology with reason it was easy to tie them up in knots while  you made your getaway besides religion was losing the culture war.
Sorry I do digress What I think we all want to know is how did you do it how did you go from liberalism to race realism? I suppose youre going to say you went via libertarianism but most liberals I have met think of libertarianism as code for racism or at least elitism. Liberals dont think rationally about any of these topics you are all so candid about now.Whats the sequence some latent attachment to freedom causes a short circuit you pick up a copy of the man who mistook his wife for a hat were you all secret racists too afraid to admit it 
      And now that you are reactionaries deconstruct the hatred of conservatives. Its always seemed to me to be stereotypical, Like this rabid hatred of dare I even mention her Sarah Palin, its not that I dont get you see her as a rube but cant you also see shes salt of the earth All over flyover country people like her and her husband  well I wont bother but im more cosmopolitan than any of you will ever be I went to school on the upper east side of new york and hung out in the ghettos of the lower east side,But I spent twenty years living in the mountain west these are good people and they are not stupid they just think differently and for my money they are saner happier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This explains something I didnt understand about reaction.I didn&#8217;t realize moldbugs former liberalism want an anomalie, I realize now a lot of you were once liberals. Yeah I know you weren&#8217;t liberals you who independents Sure I believe you.<br />
So this animosity towards the GOP is a different form than those of us who are simply disgusted with their obsequious Quisling  appeasing stupidity. I knew it wasn&#8217;t computing right.<br />
The key to this may be under our noses.<br />
         In a sense I was too, a child of the 60s we almost all responded to the zeitgeist, in the end the plague touched us all.Its been re branded but back then and in the early to mid seventies the one word you would have associated with what we thought we were participating in was freedom. And there was also a lot of getting back to cultural roots, I always found rock and roll reactionary. It didnt take long to see the end game was not going to be free. The HBD disconnect was apparent in everything from open relationships to the turn civil rights was taking. Things werent so left right yet the warmonger was a democrat,everyone read stranger in a strange land and all the dystopian and sci fi novels and of course Atlas Shrugged. Maybe it was my jesuit schooling but liberalism seemed logical to me from at least 80.I never looked back.I never cut my hair and growing up in NYC i was the only conservative libertarian actually reactionary would be the most apt -that I knew.<br />
But I wasnt quite a average republican I was more of an anti democrat I remember having Ollie in 88 T- shirts Printed.  just to annoy my friends. Political and Religious argument was what we did in my house besides drinking and fighting. So while my dad was also a republican I had to argue out a separate space, I saw it as he was a traditionalist and I was a pragmatist, I wanted to solve the problems of the day rationally I didnt have his attachment to the Church, For some ungodly reason he decided to raise us as the only white kids in the ghettos of the lower east side I came to know minorities as few whites ever do. women were never a mystery to me yes someone wrote recently an alpha can literally grab a girls ass in public without penalty ill do you one better I recently quipped loudly  at a dinner table full of left wing  bo bos  to a very hot black woman I know &#8221; lets play Sally and Thomas&#8221; To uproarious laughter from her and the other women it took the men several beats before they got their chins up off the table.I digress<br />
My point is im neither a Heinleinian  or Calhounian im both but until quite recently their were not such a thing as Heinleinians people understood all those books in a liberal sense they have been trained not to see the dichotomy between freedom and equality, I think it always takes Ayn rand to do that and once you cross that line you are a fascist yada yada.<br />
so heres my question Ive found Liberals impervious to reason no matter how intelligent. Sure I got they said they were afraid the republicans would institute theocracy but it seemed absurd, Coming from a strict Catholic upbringing I never found religion too tough to handle and I found a lot to admire. in short I wasnt afraid of religion taking over, protestants were off course fundamentally in error and self destructing with every new schism, and Catholics were so enamored of rectifying theology with reason it was easy to tie them up in knots while  you made your getaway besides religion was losing the culture war.<br />
Sorry I do digress What I think we all want to know is how did you do it how did you go from liberalism to race realism? I suppose youre going to say you went via libertarianism but most liberals I have met think of libertarianism as code for racism or at least elitism. Liberals dont think rationally about any of these topics you are all so candid about now.Whats the sequence some latent attachment to freedom causes a short circuit you pick up a copy of the man who mistook his wife for a hat were you all secret racists too afraid to admit it<br />
      And now that you are reactionaries deconstruct the hatred of conservatives. Its always seemed to me to be stereotypical, Like this rabid hatred of dare I even mention her Sarah Palin, its not that I dont get you see her as a rube but cant you also see shes salt of the earth All over flyover country people like her and her husband  well I wont bother but im more cosmopolitan than any of you will ever be I went to school on the upper east side of new york and hung out in the ghettos of the lower east side,But I spent twenty years living in the mountain west these are good people and they are not stupid they just think differently and for my money they are saner happier.</p>
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