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		<title>By: Putting Japan&#8217;s Demographic Decline in Perspective &#124; Theden &#124; Thedening the West</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Putting Japan&#8217;s Demographic Decline in Perspective &#124; Theden &#124; Thedening the West]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2014 17:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] be to allow alien cultures to so interfere with their well-ordered society. This is yet another story that the Western media does not want to get too close [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] be to allow alien cultures to so interfere with their well-ordered society. This is yet another story that the Western media does not want to get too close [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 01:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@admin&lt;/strong&gt;

yes it is.  Horrorfying.

Like the Temples of the Meshica [aztec] they must be destroyed. 

Our Laws are also now an immuo virus and must meet the same fate.

Neither are intrinsically evil, they&#039;ve been changed into instruments of it.]]></description>
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<p>yes it is.  Horrorfying.</p>
<p>Like the Temples of the Meshica [aztec] they must be destroyed. </p>
<p>Our Laws are also now an immuo virus and must meet the same fate.</p>
<p>Neither are intrinsically evil, they&#8217;ve been changed into instruments of it.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 01:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 01:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Things in the west appear to be getting progressively worse.&quot; -- understatement of the millennium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Things in the west appear to be getting progressively worse.&#8221; &#8212; understatement of the millennium.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 01:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brilliant (and horrifying).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant (and horrifying).</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-pat in Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ex-pat in Oz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 21:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not totally on board with description of Australia&#039;s prog power level.  Australia is big majority Euro/Anglo and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future.  Progressivism is in, at least a temporary, strategic withdrawal (see 2013 election).  Agree that the Cathedral IS at work in the unis.  My 20 yo daughter regales with tales and examples and it absolutely does require a disciplined mind to resist the virus (which thankfully she has).  Thus I suspect as with many trends, Australia is merely behind the curve.  That said, the open borders crowd has been thoroughly resisted and Australians had more of a necessary survival instinct borne from an &quot;edge of the periphery&quot; mentality (see WW2).

VXXC-- I want you to be right with regard to the elite/country class divorce (so well outlined here: http://spectator.org/articles/39326/americas-ruling-class-and-perils-revolution ), however there IS a reason there are elites as oppose to non-elites.  Like it or not, elites set the cultural table in all kinds of terms.  It is only when the elites are utterly incapable of keeping the lights on do things happen.  There are still not enough disaffected elites to form a new elite.  Until that happens, all the Tea Party rallies in the world won&#039;t do more than slow the Cathedral&#039;s momentum (see 2014 mid term looming Dem disaster-- and the completely predictable post-victory Republican agenda.  After a perfunctory victory lap, back to business ie immigration &#039;reform&#039;, &#039;fixing Obamacare, etc).

Porphy&#039;s Attorney- fabulous perspective (caveat: not to be a nudge but do check your spelling!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not totally on board with description of Australia&#8217;s prog power level.  Australia is big majority Euro/Anglo and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future.  Progressivism is in, at least a temporary, strategic withdrawal (see 2013 election).  Agree that the Cathedral IS at work in the unis.  My 20 yo daughter regales with tales and examples and it absolutely does require a disciplined mind to resist the virus (which thankfully she has).  Thus I suspect as with many trends, Australia is merely behind the curve.  That said, the open borders crowd has been thoroughly resisted and Australians had more of a necessary survival instinct borne from an &#8220;edge of the periphery&#8221; mentality (see WW2).</p>
<p>VXXC&#8211; I want you to be right with regard to the elite/country class divorce (so well outlined here: <a href="http://spectator.org/articles/39326/americas-ruling-class-and-perils-revolution" rel="nofollow">http://spectator.org/articles/39326/americas-ruling-class-and-perils-revolution</a> ), however there IS a reason there are elites as oppose to non-elites.  Like it or not, elites set the cultural table in all kinds of terms.  It is only when the elites are utterly incapable of keeping the lights on do things happen.  There are still not enough disaffected elites to form a new elite.  Until that happens, all the Tea Party rallies in the world won&#8217;t do more than slow the Cathedral&#8217;s momentum (see 2014 mid term looming Dem disaster&#8211; and the completely predictable post-victory Republican agenda.  After a perfunctory victory lap, back to business ie immigration &#8216;reform&#8217;, &#8216;fixing Obamacare, etc).</p>
<p>Porphy&#8217;s Attorney- fabulous perspective (caveat: not to be a nudge but do check your spelling!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 21:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, this is the most pointed quote note yet, Nick. It explains the quandary I was wrestling with and posed to you ages ago: How can capitalist globalisation be seperated from the universalist virus it parallels? East Asia is a (massive) counter example - as long as it holds. I guess Singapore and Hong Kong are on the fringes in this respect, tender-hooks. 

Carl Schmitt&#039;s geopolitcal theology is really about this maintenance of strong states and the tension of diversity because he believed it to be the fallen way of man. He felt liberalism, if it infected everyone/thing would lead us into a false consciousness of &#039;togetherness&#039; and peace, but in fact, we&#039;d just be decaying from the inside-out. It was the biggest trick the devil could play, to make us believe in a universalist, one-fits-all planet of zero tension/aggression/violence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, this is the most pointed quote note yet, Nick. It explains the quandary I was wrestling with and posed to you ages ago: How can capitalist globalisation be seperated from the universalist virus it parallels? East Asia is a (massive) counter example &#8211; as long as it holds. I guess Singapore and Hong Kong are on the fringes in this respect, tender-hooks. </p>
<p>Carl Schmitt&#8217;s geopolitcal theology is really about this maintenance of strong states and the tension of diversity because he believed it to be the fallen way of man. He felt liberalism, if it infected everyone/thing would lead us into a false consciousness of &#8216;togetherness&#8217; and peace, but in fact, we&#8217;d just be decaying from the inside-out. It was the biggest trick the devil could play, to make us believe in a universalist, one-fits-all planet of zero tension/aggression/violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Antisthenes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antisthenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@&lt;/strong&gt;

Farage 2020]]></description>
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<p>Farage 2020</p>
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		<title>By: E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This. The new virus is not just a virus but the supposed virus removal software itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This. The new virus is not just a virus but the supposed virus removal software itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Porphy's Attorney</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 14:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Dan&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;correcting spelling in context means you’re missing the point. &quot;

That assertion is simple status-mongering, so I won&#039;t take it personally.

&quot;Michael Moorish&quot; as a description of &quot;Inside Job&quot; is apt; it was tendentious, selective-editing. A propaganda hatchet-job.

&quot; They may not be completely candid with you and certainly not in class as it’s against their immediate and clear interests. &quot;

I considered this hypothesis but did not consider it worth mentioning in this context for two reasons.

1) Whatever his other faults, this professor did not slant grades against people who disagreed with him. As I said, there was a fair amount of disagreement early in the semester, and they had no reason to &quot;update their priors&quot; in this particular class by way of &quot;I better say what he wants, or my grades will suffer.&quot; That didn&#039;t happen (I did about half the grading myself, anyhow. Tests were multiple-guess. Papers he graded but I see the grades).

2) He did not even attend the Friday discussion sessions (except one or two times). Like I said, I monitored those. And I did my best to encourage as wide an expression of views as possible (short of manipulating the direction of the discussions myself). So at those Friday sessions, they were not directly catering to him, telling him what they thought he wanted to hear, for the simple reason that he wasn&#039;t there to hear those.

I&#039;ll add a third reason:

3) Lets say what you&#039;re saying is true. After all it&#039;s very Moldbuggian to say that many (if not most) people within the Cathedral express beliefs in alignment with it because of its power, and if that shifted, their views would shift, too. It hardly demonstrates that The People really secretly agree with NRx (views they&#039;re not even exposed to, unless they are oddball autodidacts like us) and are against The Powerful (aka The Man, aka Prog Intellectuals), and are just looking for the chance to rise up en mass against The Machine.

To invoke another Moldbug statement: the purpose of Prog &quot;educators&quot; is to take people in Plato&#039;s cave by the hand and lead them out of the cave and. . .into an even deeper cave.

You deny that this is effective, on the basis of basically hope. I see it working all around me. While admittedly being astounded and amazed that this does work so well. (of course it doesn&#039;t catch literally everyone; the prog machine grinds slow. But it grinds small. It certainly works at the margin. Indeed far from people becoming more resistant, if anything Change Progs Can Believe In seems to be accelerating on many fronts - even in the face of impending doom. Indeed Prog-ganda like &quot;Inside Job&quot; is designed to insure that, when things *do* go tits-up, the minds of the masses will be inclined to turn to Even Greater Progism as The Solution. Not to the right, outer or otherwise).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Dan</strong>&#8220;correcting spelling in context means you’re missing the point. &#8221;</p>
<p>That assertion is simple status-mongering, so I won&#8217;t take it personally.</p>
<p>&#8220;Michael Moorish&#8221; as a description of &#8220;Inside Job&#8221; is apt; it was tendentious, selective-editing. A propaganda hatchet-job.</p>
<p>&#8221; They may not be completely candid with you and certainly not in class as it’s against their immediate and clear interests. &#8221;</p>
<p>I considered this hypothesis but did not consider it worth mentioning in this context for two reasons.</p>
<p>1) Whatever his other faults, this professor did not slant grades against people who disagreed with him. As I said, there was a fair amount of disagreement early in the semester, and they had no reason to &#8220;update their priors&#8221; in this particular class by way of &#8220;I better say what he wants, or my grades will suffer.&#8221; That didn&#8217;t happen (I did about half the grading myself, anyhow. Tests were multiple-guess. Papers he graded but I see the grades).</p>
<p>2) He did not even attend the Friday discussion sessions (except one or two times). Like I said, I monitored those. And I did my best to encourage as wide an expression of views as possible (short of manipulating the direction of the discussions myself). So at those Friday sessions, they were not directly catering to him, telling him what they thought he wanted to hear, for the simple reason that he wasn&#8217;t there to hear those.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add a third reason:</p>
<p>3) Lets say what you&#8217;re saying is true. After all it&#8217;s very Moldbuggian to say that many (if not most) people within the Cathedral express beliefs in alignment with it because of its power, and if that shifted, their views would shift, too. It hardly demonstrates that The People really secretly agree with NRx (views they&#8217;re not even exposed to, unless they are oddball autodidacts like us) and are against The Powerful (aka The Man, aka Prog Intellectuals), and are just looking for the chance to rise up en mass against The Machine.</p>
<p>To invoke another Moldbug statement: the purpose of Prog &#8220;educators&#8221; is to take people in Plato&#8217;s cave by the hand and lead them out of the cave and. . .into an even deeper cave.</p>
<p>You deny that this is effective, on the basis of basically hope. I see it working all around me. While admittedly being astounded and amazed that this does work so well. (of course it doesn&#8217;t catch literally everyone; the prog machine grinds slow. But it grinds small. It certainly works at the margin. Indeed far from people becoming more resistant, if anything Change Progs Can Believe In seems to be accelerating on many fronts &#8211; even in the face of impending doom. Indeed Prog-ganda like &#8220;Inside Job&#8221; is designed to insure that, when things *do* go tits-up, the minds of the masses will be inclined to turn to Even Greater Progism as The Solution. Not to the right, outer or otherwise).</p>
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