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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51893</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 01:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[R7 and P.E.T pretty much sum it up, pajama boys afraid of TV and Twitter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R7 and P.E.T pretty much sum it up, pajama boys afraid of TV and Twitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing that our leaders-from-behind are afraid of in this case is that it will look bad on TV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that our leaders-from-behind are afraid of in this case is that it will look bad on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: R7 Rocket</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R7 Rocket]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The physically cowardly pajama boys who run the Cathedral often do not understand the amount of effort and risk the police and the military has to do to maintain the Cathedral&#039;s authority. Some NRx sometimes miss this fact as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The physically cowardly pajama boys who run the Cathedral often do not understand the amount of effort and risk the police and the military has to do to maintain the Cathedral&#8217;s authority. Some NRx sometimes miss this fact as well.</p>
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		<title>By: E.Antony Gray (RiverC)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 17:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is also an Indus Valley civ that was wiped out; seemed very advanced, peaceful, prosperous, for its time. If profit is the motive, the trading society may make itself so easy to conquer militarily that a society that has some investment in defense and war will find the cost/benefit a no-brainer: defenseless people with lots of valuable goods? Plunder &#039;em.

Patchwork does present some models for which these techcomm/ancap groups can persist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also an Indus Valley civ that was wiped out; seemed very advanced, peaceful, prosperous, for its time. If profit is the motive, the trading society may make itself so easy to conquer militarily that a society that has some investment in defense and war will find the cost/benefit a no-brainer: defenseless people with lots of valuable goods? Plunder &#8216;em.</p>
<p>Patchwork does present some models for which these techcomm/ancap groups can persist.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 10:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The natural state of men in any situation is to work out a modus vivendi by any number of means. 

Our anarcho-tyranny was engineered from the Top Down over the last 50 years, using the Powerful Tools of Administrative govt created by the New Deal. The New Deal was of course benevolent 1933-1965.  I mention it&#039;s benevolence as 1] most people are still in love with the long dead New Dealers and their well ruled, just, and economically beneficial state and 2] powerful and unchecked by design administrative govt in the hands of the malicious must be confronted as a central challenge and threat.  Without that nothing else is even possible. 

Now some wish to infiltrate this Cathedral - conveinient enough when it&#039;s already you&#039;re employer..hmm?  Some think they will rise and somehow turn it around.  That is save the Cathedral for the good - their good and oh yes &quot;civilizations&quot;.    Which ignores that this Cathedral has powerful and entrenched interests, the chief driver of the rachet ever towards more, more, more. 

BTW as regards #1 that includes certainly much of NRxn, who are here because of banishment and exile from paradise Bubble.  As regards #2 there&#039;s no running from THAT.  If you run it pursues you, but notice something pls - not very physically brave.  Fat cowboys with guns just faced them down in Nevada with billions at stake, yet they folded. Hint.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The natural state of men in any situation is to work out a modus vivendi by any number of means. </p>
<p>Our anarcho-tyranny was engineered from the Top Down over the last 50 years, using the Powerful Tools of Administrative govt created by the New Deal. The New Deal was of course benevolent 1933-1965.  I mention it&#8217;s benevolence as 1] most people are still in love with the long dead New Dealers and their well ruled, just, and economically beneficial state and 2] powerful and unchecked by design administrative govt in the hands of the malicious must be confronted as a central challenge and threat.  Without that nothing else is even possible. </p>
<p>Now some wish to infiltrate this Cathedral &#8211; conveinient enough when it&#8217;s already you&#8217;re employer..hmm?  Some think they will rise and somehow turn it around.  That is save the Cathedral for the good &#8211; their good and oh yes &#8220;civilizations&#8221;.    Which ignores that this Cathedral has powerful and entrenched interests, the chief driver of the rachet ever towards more, more, more. </p>
<p>BTW as regards #1 that includes certainly much of NRxn, who are here because of banishment and exile from paradise Bubble.  As regards #2 there&#8217;s no running from THAT.  If you run it pursues you, but notice something pls &#8211; not very physically brave.  Fat cowboys with guns just faced them down in Nevada with billions at stake, yet they folded. Hint.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51613</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 09:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely the Dutch were also traders. Somehow they didn&#039;t realize that trade was about peace and mutual benefit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the Dutch were also traders. Somehow they didn&#8217;t realize that trade was about peace and mutual benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51506</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 04:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calvinists!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calvinists!</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 03:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More interesting is the history of the Lanfang Republic in Borneo. Chinese settlers in Borneo help the Brunei Sultan, who gives them some land in the south. The Chinese soon develop a flourishing state based on mining and trade...

until the Dutch come in from Java some decades later and kill them all.

So much for flourishing trading polities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More interesting is the history of the Lanfang Republic in Borneo. Chinese settlers in Borneo help the Brunei Sultan, who gives them some land in the south. The Chinese soon develop a flourishing state based on mining and trade&#8230;</p>
<p>until the Dutch come in from Java some decades later and kill them all.</p>
<p>So much for flourishing trading polities.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 02:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m trying to follow...

According to wiki,
&quot;Catallaxy or catallactics is an alternative expression for the word &quot;economy&quot;. Whereas the word economy suggests that people in a community possess a common and congruent set of values and goals, catallaxy suggests that the emergent properties of a market (prices, division of labor, growth, etc.) are the outgrowths of the diverse and disparate goals of the individuals in a community.&quot;

Are you saying that through the natural &#039;market&#039; tendencies, the problem of roving bands of vibrant youth will take care of itself? How? Will warlords arise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to follow&#8230;</p>
<p>According to wiki,<br />
&#8220;Catallaxy or catallactics is an alternative expression for the word &#8220;economy&#8221;. Whereas the word economy suggests that people in a community possess a common and congruent set of values and goals, catallaxy suggests that the emergent properties of a market (prices, division of labor, growth, etc.) are the outgrowths of the diverse and disparate goals of the individuals in a community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying that through the natural &#8216;market&#8217; tendencies, the problem of roving bands of vibrant youth will take care of itself? How? Will warlords arise?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-81/#comment-51394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 22:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A functioning catallaxocracy would no doubt be careful to prevent the emergence of &quot;roving bands of vibrant youth&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A functioning catallaxocracy would no doubt be careful to prevent the emergence of &#8220;roving bands of vibrant youth&#8221;.</p>
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