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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55390</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 01:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is until you consider the levers over men are force and gain.

It is until you consider self-preservation and preservation of way of life motives.

From those viewpoints these recommendations aren&#039;t absurd. 

You see they want the Cathedral themselves which requires it to be intact, they simply want it to be sane again.  While oft acknowledging that it can&#039;t be due to Left Wing Rachet.   Moldbug has the out of sovereignty conserved and no violence as reactionaries never like anything but order.  Uh huh.  And Mr. Land whom I respect doesn&#039;t think that possible but thinks Transhumanism is possible solution.  While having the integrity to acknowledge that any sensible AI would decide our fate against us.

Others think that bitcoin type mechanisms will serve to neatly take the power away from faillible humans and make it a software program. Written by sensible coders of course.

And the quarrel with democracy is quarrel with human nature itself. Land of course admits this hence Transhumanism.

I&#039;ve said all this before.  

I&#039;m the resident Jacksonian reactionary populist.

NeoReaction has the power of incisive criticism and undermining the Official Progressive Religion and that IMO is what it&#039;s talents are and what it should do...for you see they were all raised in the faith.  I wasn&#039;t. 

From the standpoint of solutions yes it&#039;s absurd, unless there&#039;s success at taking over the Cathedral from within...an openly stated goal by some.  

For Sir these are the banished white children of Progress, and that Sir is motive.  Lift the exile and let us back in.  Or revenge.  

Now I applaud anything that hurts the enemy, so I wish them only success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is until you consider the levers over men are force and gain.</p>
<p>It is until you consider self-preservation and preservation of way of life motives.</p>
<p>From those viewpoints these recommendations aren&#8217;t absurd. </p>
<p>You see they want the Cathedral themselves which requires it to be intact, they simply want it to be sane again.  While oft acknowledging that it can&#8217;t be due to Left Wing Rachet.   Moldbug has the out of sovereignty conserved and no violence as reactionaries never like anything but order.  Uh huh.  And Mr. Land whom I respect doesn&#8217;t think that possible but thinks Transhumanism is possible solution.  While having the integrity to acknowledge that any sensible AI would decide our fate against us.</p>
<p>Others think that bitcoin type mechanisms will serve to neatly take the power away from faillible humans and make it a software program. Written by sensible coders of course.</p>
<p>And the quarrel with democracy is quarrel with human nature itself. Land of course admits this hence Transhumanism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said all this before.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m the resident Jacksonian reactionary populist.</p>
<p>NeoReaction has the power of incisive criticism and undermining the Official Progressive Religion and that IMO is what it&#8217;s talents are and what it should do&#8230;for you see they were all raised in the faith.  I wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>From the standpoint of solutions yes it&#8217;s absurd, unless there&#8217;s success at taking over the Cathedral from within&#8230;an openly stated goal by some.  </p>
<p>For Sir these are the banished white children of Progress, and that Sir is motive.  Lift the exile and let us back in.  Or revenge.  </p>
<p>Now I applaud anything that hurts the enemy, so I wish them only success.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55233</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 18:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Land&#039;s (and Moldbug&#039;s) underpants gnome logic :
People are told how to vote.  
They are told, by the left-wing intelligentsia, to vote left.
Therefore, if we get rid of democracy and hand over direct control to this (left-wing) intelligentsia, 
the problem will be solved.  

It strikes me as absurd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Land&#8217;s (and Moldbug&#8217;s) underpants gnome logic :<br />
People are told how to vote.<br />
They are told, by the left-wing intelligentsia, to vote left.<br />
Therefore, if we get rid of democracy and hand over direct control to this (left-wing) intelligentsia,<br />
the problem will be solved.  </p>
<p>It strikes me as absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55141</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 14:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/20/opinion/brooks-the-big-debate.html

OK Brooks senses something at the animal level and reacts.

Brooks also understands his own self interest. 

He is also as are nearly all of them unaware of a nation west of the Hudson/Potomac Rivers. 

The most interesting part is the Title:  The Big Debate.  The Big Debate is whether to do away with this pesky 3d wheel of democracy and simply hand all powers to the technocracy without any meddling by these Others called &quot;The People&quot;.  AKA --Americans.

As I&#039;ve marked they are quite girding their loins to formally end this charade of democracy because they perceive mortal threats to their own existence.  The voters will either choose certain bankruptcy and an end to power to get the last checks the machine prints...OR...they&#039;ll possibly however remote choose a government that chooses solvency and sanity and again the result is the same in an end to power.  Solvency requires losers in the elites.

We&#039;re simply being groomed for an EU style solution with the Fed as the Troika.  It&#039;s really at it&#039;s core about the lack of money being the root of all evil, meaning they went hopelessly bankrupt in 2008 and the pyramids and Fiat Funnies are running out.  

$ M0 shot up 75% may 13-may 14.  QE is ending even if they turn it back on full spigot. 

Be interesting how this plays out.]]></description>
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<p>OK Brooks senses something at the animal level and reacts.</p>
<p>Brooks also understands his own self interest. </p>
<p>He is also as are nearly all of them unaware of a nation west of the Hudson/Potomac Rivers. </p>
<p>The most interesting part is the Title:  The Big Debate.  The Big Debate is whether to do away with this pesky 3d wheel of democracy and simply hand all powers to the technocracy without any meddling by these Others called &#8220;The People&#8221;.  AKA &#8211;Americans.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve marked they are quite girding their loins to formally end this charade of democracy because they perceive mortal threats to their own existence.  The voters will either choose certain bankruptcy and an end to power to get the last checks the machine prints&#8230;OR&#8230;they&#8217;ll possibly however remote choose a government that chooses solvency and sanity and again the result is the same in an end to power.  Solvency requires losers in the elites.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re simply being groomed for an EU style solution with the Fed as the Troika.  It&#8217;s really at it&#8217;s core about the lack of money being the root of all evil, meaning they went hopelessly bankrupt in 2008 and the pyramids and Fiat Funnies are running out.  </p>
<p>$ M0 shot up 75% may 13-may 14.  QE is ending even if they turn it back on full spigot. </p>
<p>Be interesting how this plays out.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55116</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 13:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the Crux of other people&#039;s problems with democracy put well by the Nation: 

&quot;Such nostrums may be comforting, but they have become fatal to the left’s ability to win political victories and, if they do, to govern effectively.&quot;

Because if you don&#039;t govern you don&#039;t exist in their world.  It&#039;s sad they missed the one beyond it which is of course only recently taking notice of them.

Right Wing Populism has never been bad for me and mine, nor do I think it will be in the future.  Certainly given the stark alternative between rapidly decaying Leftist Elite Technocracy staffed by strangers who don&#039;t consider me and mine Human,  RW Populism holds no terrors for me or mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the Crux of other people&#8217;s problems with democracy put well by the Nation: </p>
<p>&#8220;Such nostrums may be comforting, but they have become fatal to the left’s ability to win political victories and, if they do, to govern effectively.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because if you don&#8217;t govern you don&#8217;t exist in their world.  It&#8217;s sad they missed the one beyond it which is of course only recently taking notice of them.</p>
<p>Right Wing Populism has never been bad for me and mine, nor do I think it will be in the future.  Certainly given the stark alternative between rapidly decaying Leftist Elite Technocracy staffed by strangers who don&#8217;t consider me and mine Human,  RW Populism holds no terrors for me or mine.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 13:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.thenation.com/print/article/179851/what-was-democracy

I hope you realize that The Nation like the rest of the elites and in particular the Spartacists are having an entirely self-referential and closed loop conversation.   This article says nothing about anyone but them, they are unaware of the existence of the rest of Humanity most acutely their very neighbors.]]></description>
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<p>I hope you realize that The Nation like the rest of the elites and in particular the Spartacists are having an entirely self-referential and closed loop conversation.   This article says nothing about anyone but them, they are unaware of the existence of the rest of Humanity most acutely their very neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 13:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good work Sir]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work Sir</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 12:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;“The fundamental difference between Washington’s view and Beijing’s is whether political rights are considered God-given and therefore absolute.&quot;

That hasn&#039;t been true of Washington for some time, it died a quiet death the last few decades.  

See my comments below on my Rights coming from other men [then they must die].  

It was you know in England that our American Divine Rights of Men were invented, if not by Jesus himself and even perhaps the Israelites. 

To argue to Americans we are subordinate without limits to other men is to ignore the main political thrust of Western Civilization since the Ancients.  Not to mention the present reality when and where we live.    But railing and screaming NO to reality is what differentiates NeoReaction from Reaction, also from brutal realities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“The fundamental difference between Washington’s view and Beijing’s is whether political rights are considered God-given and therefore absolute.&#8221;</p>
<p>That hasn&#8217;t been true of Washington for some time, it died a quiet death the last few decades.  </p>
<p>See my comments below on my Rights coming from other men [then they must die].  </p>
<p>It was you know in England that our American Divine Rights of Men were invented, if not by Jesus himself and even perhaps the Israelites. </p>
<p>To argue to Americans we are subordinate without limits to other men is to ignore the main political thrust of Western Civilization since the Ancients.  Not to mention the present reality when and where we live.    But railing and screaming NO to reality is what differentiates NeoReaction from Reaction, also from brutal realities.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 12:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-55093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 12:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still reading thru list above but 1st thoughts:

*I remain predictable, which BTW means you&#039;re still friends.

*If my rights come from men please name these men. &lt;i&gt;  For these men must die or I am their slave.&lt;/i&gt;.  We cannot breath under the same Sun. 

*I am far from alone in the above judgments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still reading thru list above but 1st thoughts:</p>
<p>*I remain predictable, which BTW means you&#8217;re still friends.</p>
<p>*If my rights come from men please name these men. <i>  For these men must die or I am their slave.</i>.  We cannot breath under the same Sun. </p>
<p>*I am far from alone in the above judgments.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-84/#comment-54787</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2014 22:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The fundamental difference between Washington’s view and Beijing’s is whether political rights are considered God-given and therefore absolute or whether they should be seen as privileges to be negotiated based on the needs and conditions of the nation.&quot;

Morality is a temporary truce between factions of warring instincts;  in the West, it pretends to be something more, thus the madness -- productive at times, destructive at others -- a delusion traceable back to Socrates i.e., Euthyphro dilemma:  &quot;And do you believe that there really is war among the gods?&quot;  (Yes -- question reframed sociobiologically )  In the West, the egalitarian instinct is hegemonic; this itself is not overly problematic; what is is the delusion that it is not just one of many instincts having taken power.   For good and bad, the Han do not currently suffer from this monomoralism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fundamental difference between Washington’s view and Beijing’s is whether political rights are considered God-given and therefore absolute or whether they should be seen as privileges to be negotiated based on the needs and conditions of the nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Morality is a temporary truce between factions of warring instincts;  in the West, it pretends to be something more, thus the madness &#8212; productive at times, destructive at others &#8212; a delusion traceable back to Socrates i.e., Euthyphro dilemma:  &#8220;And do you believe that there really is war among the gods?&#8221;  (Yes &#8212; question reframed sociobiologically )  In the West, the egalitarian instinct is hegemonic; this itself is not overly problematic; what is is the delusion that it is not just one of many instincts having taken power.   For good and bad, the Han do not currently suffer from this monomoralism.</p>
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