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	<title>Comments on: Quote notes (#94)</title>
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		<title>By: Doctor Poo</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-79947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doctor Poo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is collapse perceptible? If one places themselves within what is typically viewed as a collapse scenario in history, it&#039;s generally never an obvious or all out disaster, as one would likely expect in the cinema. I may simply be ignorant here, but what happened to moldbug&#039;s antiversity method? Are there no proponents of that anymore? Or were there any?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is collapse perceptible? If one places themselves within what is typically viewed as a collapse scenario in history, it&#8217;s generally never an obvious or all out disaster, as one would likely expect in the cinema. I may simply be ignorant here, but what happened to moldbug&#8217;s antiversity method? Are there no proponents of that anymore? Or were there any?</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-78443</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of us may place our bets elsewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us may place our bets elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-77890</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I basically agree. We had something of a dry run for catastrophe with the 9/11 attack in Manhattan. I was living there at the time. I remember thinking the entire economy was just gonna go to hell ... but ultimately not much happened. They got the streets re-opened in a few days and life went on. The one notable change is that southern Manhattan ceased to be a serious competitor with Midtown for the financial industry. The whole center of gravity for the city shifted northward. Otherwise ... no structural effects to speak of. I was dating a girl in southern Brooklyn at the time so every few days I would drive past the still-smoking ruins and drive back. Life went on. EVERYONE was incentivized for the back-to-normality outcome, and that&#039;s what happened ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I basically agree. We had something of a dry run for catastrophe with the 9/11 attack in Manhattan. I was living there at the time. I remember thinking the entire economy was just gonna go to hell &#8230; but ultimately not much happened. They got the streets re-opened in a few days and life went on. The one notable change is that southern Manhattan ceased to be a serious competitor with Midtown for the financial industry. The whole center of gravity for the city shifted northward. Otherwise &#8230; no structural effects to speak of. I was dating a girl in southern Brooklyn at the time so every few days I would drive past the still-smoking ruins and drive back. Life went on. EVERYONE was incentivized for the back-to-normality outcome, and that&#8217;s what happened &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-77784</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as we&#039;re OK... (after all: &lt;i&gt;In the long run we are all dead&lt;/i&gt;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we&#8217;re OK&#8230; (after all: <i>In the long run we are all dead</i>).</p>
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		<title>By: Contemplationist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-77728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Contemplationist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2014 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, the amount of technology, and the amount of technically in-the-know people are far too many for a general deindustrialization to occur (sans nuclear war and similar scenarios). There&#039;s also abundant amount of energy at reasonable prices available at present. Oil rigs and shipping infrastructure is quite immune to collapse and rioting in, say, New York. This is doom fantasy. 
This is not to say that dysgenics will not bring about Idiocracy in about 200 years, but none of us will be alive by then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, the amount of technology, and the amount of technically in-the-know people are far too many for a general deindustrialization to occur (sans nuclear war and similar scenarios). There&#8217;s also abundant amount of energy at reasonable prices available at present. Oil rigs and shipping infrastructure is quite immune to collapse and rioting in, say, New York. This is doom fantasy.<br />
This is not to say that dysgenics will not bring about Idiocracy in about 200 years, but none of us will be alive by then.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-77678</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it&#039;s the best chance going, might as well seize it, even if the probability of success is vanishingly small. Or do you have a practical alternative to suggest?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s the best chance going, might as well seize it, even if the probability of success is vanishingly small. Or do you have a practical alternative to suggest?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-77677</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Rather, the kernel of wisdom is to survive the building climax of insanity in high places, and to preserve enough resources and wisdom to pick up the pieces, in the midst of an Idiocratic collapse.&quot;

I see two unsupported assumptions made here. First, that the &quot;building climax of insanity&quot; is survivable at all. What evidence supports this assertion?

Secondly, that it is possible for anyone, especially a heads-down quiet-islands-of-sanity/monastery type program, to &quot;preserve enough resources&quot; to be able to &quot;pick up the pieces&quot; afterwards. I find far too many fail to understand just how vulnerable and fragile so much of our critical infrastructure is. Nor do they realize how little need be destroyed before what is left is too small to maintain itself, thereby putting this planet unshakeably on course to permanent, irreversible deindustrialization. If nothing else, &quot;enough resources&quot; is so large as to provide an irresistable, impossible-to-hide target for both the rapacious maw of a failing Cathedral desparate for any bit of capital to stave of its end, and for the lootings of the zombie/mutant dysgenic hordes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rather, the kernel of wisdom is to survive the building climax of insanity in high places, and to preserve enough resources and wisdom to pick up the pieces, in the midst of an Idiocratic collapse.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see two unsupported assumptions made here. First, that the &#8220;building climax of insanity&#8221; is survivable at all. What evidence supports this assertion?</p>
<p>Secondly, that it is possible for anyone, especially a heads-down quiet-islands-of-sanity/monastery type program, to &#8220;preserve enough resources&#8221; to be able to &#8220;pick up the pieces&#8221; afterwards. I find far too many fail to understand just how vulnerable and fragile so much of our critical infrastructure is. Nor do they realize how little need be destroyed before what is left is too small to maintain itself, thereby putting this planet unshakeably on course to permanent, irreversible deindustrialization. If nothing else, &#8220;enough resources&#8221; is so large as to provide an irresistable, impossible-to-hide target for both the rapacious maw of a failing Cathedral desparate for any bit of capital to stave of its end, and for the lootings of the zombie/mutant dysgenic hordes.</p>
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		<title>By: Quote notes (#94) &#124; Reaction Times</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quote notes (#94) &#124; Reaction Times]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Source: Outside In [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-94/#comment-77420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alrenous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2014 04:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In the mid-19th century, a number of biological and social scientists came to believe that the genetic quality of the populations of the Western nations was deteriorating due to the relaxation of natural selection, the process by which nature eliminates the unfit in each generation by reducing their fertility and by early death. This view, and the idea that steps needed to be taken to correct the situation, came to be widely accepted by the first half of the 20th century.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cochran is unquestionably one of the best living biologists. He still can&#039;t hold a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14474&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;candle&lt;/a&gt; to pre-war scientists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the mid-19th century, a number of biological and social scientists came to believe that the genetic quality of the populations of the Western nations was deteriorating due to the relaxation of natural selection, the process by which nature eliminates the unfit in each generation by reducing their fertility and by early death. This view, and the idea that steps needed to be taken to correct the situation, came to be widely accepted by the first half of the 20th century.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cochran is unquestionably one of the best living biologists. He still can&#8217;t hold a <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14474" rel="nofollow">candle</a> to pre-war scientists.</p>
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