Comments on: Quote notes (#98)

By: Magus Janus

Magus Janus — Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:40:05 +0000

Alrenous, the more likely reason is not that slaves were more aggressive than population left behind but rather that recent african immigrants are middle or upper middle class on avg from africa.

By: tnabaliava

tnabaliava — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 04:19:34 +0000

Is there any data on differential racial admixture between siblings? Just in case you haven’t heard of it before: since siblings inherit their genome randomly from each parent, they will in general differ in the percentage of their genome that comes from, say, African ancestors vs. European ancestors. Only comparing siblings controls for a lot of things at once, and if IQ correlates with within-family admixture, the pattern could be only explained by appearance-based discrimination or “innate” racial differences.

By: Aeroguy

Aeroguy — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:49:01 +0000

Human Cloning is fraught with enormous difficulties but keeping frozen sperm is laughably simple. Keeping human eggs is more difficult than sperm but effortless compared to what has to happen for cloning, For the same effort and lack of ethics in making cloning possible you could alternatively have an army of ubermensch by the time you have a successful clone. From a national perspective, a eugenics program makes far more sense than a cloning program. Cloning is most useful for narcissists or application in intel. I suppose they could also have application as a control group, but that’s getting pretty dark ethically speaking. The thing is, even if you perfected human cloning, perfected would mean getting a singular successful result refined down to “only” requiring thousands of failures, a hundred thousand failures per success is more likely. That’s a lot of wombs to be renting out, even for China, that if used for eugenics could get results like Khan from Star Trek.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 00:57:01 +0000

“Colorism can always be claimed as yet another epicycle, but that is at odds with what is actually claimed in most discourse, which is that all blacks are equally lacking in privilege.”

I tested and disconfirmed IQ-colorism using a kinship model. I just haven’t had time to polish and formally publish the results. Assortative exogamy is somewhat plausible, though. And it’s difficult to rule out using genomic admixture studies.

Malloy and I have begun to revisit the S.E. Asian IQs. It appears that migrant S.E. Asians — in contrast with Hispanics (in the U.S.), Pacific Islanders (in the U.S. and New Zealand), and Middle Easterners (in Europe) — don’t underperform relative to Whites — though they do relative to N.E. Asians in the same regions. Interestingly, the migrant results are starting to mirror Piffer’s allelic ones, which suggest that only Black Africans (15% of the global pop), Amerindians (genomically less than 5% of the global pop), and Oceanians (a trivial number) are, as races, innately cognitively disadvantaged. So, globally, at least practically speaking, race-IQ seems to be decreasingly important. It is, of course, of great sociological interest– or at the zealous denialism is — as it’s a window into the progressive’s soul.

By: Alrenous

Alrenous — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:55:46 +0000

@Aeroguy

American Blacks were mainly African prisoners bought more or less aboveboard from existing black African states. This probably had a noticeable effect on things like aggression as compared to the source population.

By: Handle

Handle — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:26:52 +0000

@Chuck:

Yes, I’ve heard of the Diabetes studies.

Yes, it is always possible to claim yet another epicycle to try and explain away the latest refutation and failure of your last set of epicycles. It is not always possible to remain respectable or be taken seriously when making increasingly specious and outlandish claims. Chasing these people out into the low-status wilderness of absurdity is worthwhile.

Colorism can always be claimed as yet another epicycle, but that is at odds with what is actually claimed in most discourse, which is that all blacks are equally lacking in privilege.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:56:36 +0000

“Hypothesis: Life outcome or IQ or whatever proxy your want to use will correlate strongly with European admixture. And furthermore, extrapolating the line to 100% will end up near mean white value for that metric.”

Repeatedly done. In “Colored” populations throughout the Americas, micro differences in European ancestry predict income, education, and occupation. It’s now standard to control for SES in admixture mapping studies. See, for example: Table S2 in Cheng, et al., 2012 “African Ancestry and Its Correlation to Type 2 Diabetes in African Americans: A Genetic Admixture Analysis in Three U.S. Population Cohorts”
— or Florez, et al. (2009) “Strong association of socioeconomic status with genetic ancestry in Latinos: implications for admixture studies of type 2 diabetes” As for IQ, researchers are sitting on the results. Anyways, it doesn’t matter as the admixture effect is attributed to, when not “colorism”, assortative exogamy (more apt Amerindians/Blacks out-mate, thus an ancestry x human capital effect). These marxists are tenacious fellows. They’ll only admit to innate differences once the neo-eugenics tech is online — at which point they’ll demand embryonic selection vouchers for the genetically unprivileged.

By: Aeroguy

Aeroguy — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:08:09 +0000

If you stick to American populations there are complications and of course difficulty in determining a control group everyone will agree on. The biggest complication is that African immigrants (like Obama) tend to do significantly better than their slave descended counterparts. I think the cultural genetic feedback loop could very well be at word with learned helplessness acting as an IQ shredder. There is also the complication of comparing someone who is 50% because all their grandparents were 50% and you have to go 3 generations back to find the originating white ancestors vs someone with a white parent, due to the way alleles manifest and are able to combine. This isn’t an easy slam dunk like comparing whites and blacks directly, but I’d pay money to see the results if done properly.

By: Nathan Turner Overdrive

Nathan Turner Overdrive — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:47:26 +0000

Dolly was 1996 – China must be beta-testing human cloning by now. Its an obvious multiplier of human capital:
Person X was a child prodigy and has gone on to impressive advances in technoscience. IQ > 160.
[Evil Chinese Black Lab: Such people are rare and valuable. Suppose we could raise their occurence rate a thousandfold or more? And there are so many couples with fertilty problems, who would otherwise be good parents…]

Therefore:
The Boys From Beijing! Fu Manchu Menegele!

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