Race Talk

Why enter into the edgy territory of race and IQ discussion, asks John McWhorter, even if the most distressingly inegalitarian conclusions turn out to be true? “What, precisely, would we gain from discussing this particular issue?”

Robert Verbruggen gets to the critical response, eventually. The topic has been made inescapable because the left is ever-increasingly race-obsessed and “continue[s] to treat racial gaps as a moral emergency” based on a specific, positively egalitarian, and extremely implausible universal-anthropological theory. Challenging that is the only way to moderate the social self-flagellation. (So however uncomfortable this ‘conversation’ becomes, it isn’t going to stop.)

More here (via), hitting maximum relevance about 40 minutes in.

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ADDED: “Does the possibility [sic] that [East] Asians are smarter than they are reduce whites to desperation and misery?” — This needs to be noted more often.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    For the Left, insistence on racial equality is part of their insistence on caste equality.

    We know that kings were smarter and more morally disciplined than proles or the middle class; this is why those two groups deposed them, namely because it makes humans feel bad to see someone superior to them and to then reflect on their own inferiority.

    As part of egalitarian dogma, the kings must be overthrown and favored races — Western Europeans, Jews and Japanese — must be persecuted. Only by taking from the strong and giving to the weak can “equality” be “achieved.”

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Its comments like this Brett that really make me wonder if reaction isnt a fucking moron club. You have zero evidence kings were smarter than everybody else. and to assert they were overthrown to assuage egos is more absurd. They were overthrown for the reasons elucidated clearly in the classical writings of greece and rome and the english and american documents.Which pretty much exactly contradict your assertion. But while you have your nose up the moldy jews ass give him a rim job why dont you.

    current leftism is not the same thing as classical liberalism but your jew master doesnt want you to realize that so he conflates the two. The republics of greece rome *britain and the united states all had slaves as well as all sorts of other grades of class from gender to age to genetic or national group ONLY YOUR JEW PALS CAME UP WITH THIS NIGGERS AND WOMEN ARE PEOPLE SHIT.

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    Ryan C Reply:

    I thus crown you king.

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    Henk Reply:

    > Its comments like this Brett that really make me wonder if reaction isnt a fucking moron club

    To be fair to Brett, since his game is to always comment immediately after a post goes live in order to ensure top placement for the link back to his own blog, the actual content of his comments is of secondary importance, and composed under time pressure.

    > to assert they were overthrown to assuage egos is more absurd

    Indeed, and since this is a point he keeps repeating, it doesn’t profit from the time pressure excuse either.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Youre probably right thats hes better than his comments here,ive read some ok stuff on his blog but hes trying to walk the line between moldbug and alt right and the crevasse is opening up making him look ever more ridiculous.
    In fairness to yarvin I liked his blog at the time, its this calcified fetishization of his ideas with disregard for their truth or practicality, by a group that insists on calling it self realists and conservatives,yet wants to rip up westciv by the roots and reinvent it ignoring the biological and political impediments, and their method to “restore” west civ is to give the likes of Soros, Zuckerberg,Pornhub and the like Divine right of kings.There not a shred of evidence they would rule well and a shitload they would rule singlemindedly for short term profit consequences be damned. But it appeals to the sperg brain that wants a simple answer to a complicated problem.Capitalism could certainly be directed at specific areas of our government problem, but like all capitalism it would need to have some oversight. I say this fully aware of the history of capital oversight going wrong but its just as clear not keeping it in line leads to similarly disastrous consequences.These idiots seem to mistake the reason west civ supports capitalism for the incentive of capitalists themselves, its the unintended consequences of restrained capitalism west civ likes not the profits of the capitalists. in short west civ and its nations and peoples are in capitalism for different reasons. capitalists should be thought of as beasts of burden that we keep to do some odious tasks not as kings. Evolution is single minded, it simply selects the living, we influence it as much as we can to select us, capital is just as single minded it selects profit it does not care that the profit may destroy western civilization and its people or even that its profit will destroy its own market in the long run it doesnt really think at all like evolution it simply selects its imperative the world be damned. This is all fine and well as long as you dont go getting ideas evolution or capitalism is somehow your special friend that they will somehow always favor the white man. You can admire their ruthless impartiality and still recognize youre a white man and your role is to survive their tests, capitalism does not need us to nurture and protect it it will always reemerge, it is our own interests that need protecting we are not guaranteed to always re emerge not even are humans guaranteed that.I have always been an extreme capitalist an elitist a conservative even throughout the 60s and 70s as a child its been my nature But I have always also been willing to face truths, its also true that humans have socialist instincts that counter capitalists instincts. We are supposed to be the HBD reality guys, we cant simply ignore what will constantly re emerge we must understand it, understand the biological code and cultural triggers that correlated with these instincts and design a system that recognizes not denies this and recognizes how enemies will and have attempted to hack these programs.These are not the only instincts that must be considered but many of them are intertied with the self interested and socially interested impulses. This is why the alt right as low brow or racists as nrx may find them are essentially correct i mean essentially literally the bedrock foundation of a system i described is going to have to be the naturally occurring ethno state both to get through the biological and political impediments i mention at the top and maybe more importantly as the only viable starting point to build a system that can balance the self/other family of instincts. This in no way needs to be the fourth reich, alt right has rightly stated all ethnos should have a place of their own at least as a starting point.

    I can not tell why nrx is so blind, either it was a commie jew red herring from the start to divert conservative white backlash.

    It has been entered by leftists and pwnd

    This generation is simply too weak to defend itself and has fainted at the prospect

    Moldbuggianism has so mesmerized and flattered the type of people attracted to it they can not move beyond it.

    concepts like capitalism socialism are such tribal triggers we can not look at them critically

    NRX is dead its not had an original thought in five years, it has not bothered to think through even such things as patriarchy,Like leftism its critical not constructive- wonder why that might be?

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  • SVErshov Says:

    As there is no genetic evidence supporting different races, in strictly, biological, post human genome era there is no races. Quite solid departure point imho.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    There is ancestry. Your dad’s bad teeth and your grandfather’s negroid skull

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    SVErshov Reply:

    There is enough of course differences between ethinical groups and traditional approach always was in setting up rules which did worked very well. Because rules depends on the system. Without designing system first, setting up rules is stupid. That is what both left and right do designing rules with guaranteed Catastrophic consequences. Illusion here is that you define rules and rules define you as left or right. You design system and system define you as right or left. That is still open task for someone on the right to be remembered. Most of current systems in probability theory (intentional, extentional) horriblee leftist.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Is there any scientific evidence that blue is not red?

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  • andy Says:

    It wouldn’t be that interesting an issue if it wasn’t for the claim that justifies unlimited immigration in general,. Namely, the dearth of skilled labor and the necessity of importing it.
    https://www.google.com/search?
    rlz=1C1OPRA_enUS543US543&q=immigration+skillled+labor+US+percentage&oq=immigration+skillled+labor+US+percentage&gs_l=psy-ab.3…3616.5279.0.5472.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0.JcH5jTvjsb

    If national labor policy is IQ driven, and whites are demonstrably deficient, the question is, where does that leave everyone else? If you need a certain IQ to justify your existence, it really does undercut the legitimacy of certain demographics. If a national policy is justified by an appeal to inequality, then you can’t bury all the corollaries or wish them away.

    But I’m ok with letting it go, anytime the progressive globalists want to put their neo-darwinist economic stick down. But NRO published the piece because they don’t like being hit with the race-IQ stick. Let the beatings continue.

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  • Orthodox Says:

    It is always best to tell the truth in your own terms, as soon as possible. IQ touches so many areas of policy that not discussing it like creating a model of physics without gravity.

    What’s to be gained? If your model of physics adjusts for the missing gravity by throwing a certain tribe of people into the volcano, then there’s a lot to be gained from stopping. Like not going into the volcano when the truth inevitably becomes common knowledge.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    People belived into wrong things since Adam and even like in case of sun rotating around earth, such belives resulted in many correct astronomical observations.

    No drama. Like it is obviouse that sometimes to bring wrong concepts to scientific correctnes is impossible.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    Equality of Outcome > Equality of Opportunity.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Indeed, there are views, including such a defense of slavery or genocide, that we can reasonably exempt from “discussion” at this point BULLSHIT YOUR A MORON NIGGER

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Ok I forced myself to read the rest of this garbage I stand by my first assessment hes s stupid fucking nigger.

    I will ad however its noteworthy NRO published this with the paragraph about even if niggers are totally fucking morons western elites will never in a thousand years allow them to sink to their natural level- good to have it in writing that cuckserves are officially no longer opposed to affirmative action and welfare.

    They do fully intend to make the conversation stop admn its why they are attempting to control speech, again in my first quote we see NRO endorsing speech codes- but of course they were founded on that premise so not really news.

    You notice none of these cowards writing about low nigger IQ ever mention high kike IQ these niggers have no fear of the white man anymore but no godamn well they better fear the jew-

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  • collen ryan Says:

    ANY GODS OF BIO ENGINEERING OUT THERE I WANT MORE LIFE FUCKERS!

    SO CAN I JUST JUICE MYSELF WITH THIS ANTIBIOTOC OR NOT?

    http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(17)30246-5

    Or is this some scam artist using a well known technique for makng pluripotents ginning up is profile to start a hollywood clinic?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Try it on some for-life-criminal scum.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    That was a Freudian split, since it would be criminal-for-life scum but they become for-life-criminal scum when you do for-life experiments on them.

    This was not intentional but a slip. I also unintentionally wrote split.

    My id is leaking today.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I was thinking of giving some old person the treatment first kek- i mean older than me

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Someone close to death might wanna try it, it makes sense.

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  • Donald Trump Says:

    So does this mean that John Derbyshire is allowed to exist again? Anyway I personally think anyone that was genuinely able to really think critically and independently saw this coming a while back. Let the gold rush commence.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    no JD didnt just talk he had the wrong talk he said youre not imagining blacks are dangerous and stupid the really are be wary

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  • Donald Trump Says:

    >What, precisely, would we gain from discussing this particular issue?

    What do we gain from discussion of particle physics? Evolution? Quantum mechanics? The works of Shakespeare? Is there any other subject where you would just accept that because some people don’t want to think about it, that nobody else should? I hardly am passionate about the study itself. I feel a sort of obsessive pull toward it – perhaps driven by a deep seated “hate” or desire to harm – or something of that sort. What other possible reason would there be for interest in genetic differences between human groups? I simply must want other races to be marked as inferior and thus rendered marginal. It is all there is to it, really.

    Past that, the truth is probably much more striking and shocking on paper than anyone even in the so called “realist” community is willing to say out loud. Even if you get past the first layer of “Well there might be SOME difference” you probably are really just reaching base camp, much less setting off for anything even approaching the peak. You still have weeks to go until the air is livable, and yet you’re behaving in such a way that implies you’ve already climbed the entire mountain. “We’re done here.” I don’t think many people even realize the depth of the implications of this information. Some people believe in fearful discourse. Personally, I feel somewhat unapologetic. Remove all barriers and obstacles to discussion (while keeping peace) and let the chips fall wherever the hell they fall. It’s not anyone’s place to tell us what the truth is. Let the truth be what it is, let it be spoken loud and clear, let everyone hear it, and let it be printed and taught to the every person on Earth. I have no time for anything less.

    Even the idea of hate, or “racism” as it were, is turned on its head. For who “hates” or is “speciesist” against bears? One does not “hate” a bear, one simply is aware of the fact that the bear charges, likes honey, and hunts fish. It is simply knowledge. Bears, humans, rocks. Much like the abortion issue, there is an aesthetic social taboo of the notion of the “human” as animal, or on a spectrum. Evolution, the idea of there being a middle point in physical form of an animal between chimpanzee and human, animal and “conscious being,” is still taboo. Yet it is a logical axiom inherent to human existence. We would not exist were there not a linking point between the ape and the present day quantum physicist. So, naturally there must be a “TABOO SPACE” waiting untouched, like a dark black pool of pus, or perhaps just an unprinted sentence in a textbook on biology that should be considered, like all facts of reality, common sense – of course then the question becomes of the matter of the “social” response. And, if that question isn’t answered by the scientists, who frown upon it at the start, it will most definitely be taken care of (loudly) by the pink haired activists.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    Proggies stoke racial disharmony quite deliberately. Democracy is envy powered. The more envy, the more power. Ignoring major proggie activities is some sort of advanced, sophisticated cuckery.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    They got approval to do trials on the dying

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  • Wagner Says:

    My takeaway from this is:

    “the threat of violence impedes the will to truth”

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  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    Suppose that you’re an attorney who is trying to defend a client against a charge of having murdered someone who died of mysterious causes. What, precisely, would you gain from reading the autopsy report?

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  • mufugn bix nood Says:

    where is the chaos patch at? you read all this depression so I don’t have to

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  • Erebus Says:

    McWorther’s article is ridiculous.

    Suppose, he says, that there is an IQ gap between blacks and whites. From this he derives:

    1. That one could argue that “society should accept that a disproportionate number of black people will labor at the bottom of the occupational scale and that in general black people will be underrepresented in the higher echelons of society.”

    2. Or that society could take the opposite approach, “[o]fficially designating black people as a “special needs” race perpetually requiring compensatory assistance on the basis of their intellectual inferiority.”

    3. The third approach would be that society can “acknowledge that black people have lower IQs but must also “progress” toward an ability to celebrate individuals for a range of talents beyond intelligence.”

    The author claims that all of these approaches are harmful, futile, delusional, or all three at once. And this is the core point of his article; this is why the race-IQ debate “serves no purpose”: There’s nothing we can possibly do about it, so we had better not talk about it.

    …Yet approach #1 has been the default state of Western society for ages. This has changed only very recently — due in part to the myth of The Noble Savage, the Communist drive towards total egalitarianism, the delusional and anti-civilizational tendencies of the post-WWII political establishment, women’s suffrage, and the contemptible false-science of the likes of Gould and Lewontin, those masters of deception. In short, every hateful malady of the modern world has conspired to force us to “progress” from view #1.

    It would be both easy and natural to revert back to the way things were. Easy and natural for a society to accept that black people are inevitably going to be underrepresented in the higher echelons of society. For they are already underrepresented; they are in fact “a special needs race,” and this is due to innate biological deficiencies that no plausible amount of top-down societal control or political power can alter… and all one needs to do is come to terms with the fact. A great failing of our age is its inability to come to terms with uncomfortable truths. It prefers soothing fictions.

    McWorther then goes on to close his article with pablum and wishful-thinking. Saying, in effect, “oh, I’m sure there’s hardly any IQ gap at all; if blacks change their culture, they’ll catch up!” Totally idiotic.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Agreed its every fiber is moronic. Its also kind of evil.,

    Despite the denial about the low IQ, high aggression, low time preference, reproductive strategies,and the enforced remedies for the denied reality of non whites, progressives gave up on the communist strategy of universal equality when they merged with capitalists on the multicultural globalism project decades ago.

    In the current year white men are perfectly capable of being incapable, and require no remediation of their condition. In fact the affirmative actions, set asides, public assistance, immigration preferences,and government funded lawsuits for allegedly equal non whites further hobble below average whites, for that matter they disadvantage all whites giving preference to non whites so even average or above average non whites competing against their non white peers would be at all sorts of disadvantages.

    And this is exactly whats happened at all levels white men are devastated, fortunately non whites are not actually equal so the preferences have worked slowly over the decades and are only now reaching the top echelons of ability. At the lower end though, at this point they have turned an entire couple of generations of white men through out most of the nation,into worse than the small appalachian population progressives once sought to cultivate, those appalachians were simply dirt poor but still capable of very hard work, family formation, cultural achievement,etc The new low class whites have been turned into a sort of smart nigger, which is a dangerous thing if you think about it,

    Surely Rousseau was a retard, But theres a hell of a difference between claiming the king and pope doesnt have supernatural abilities and rights, and claiming all men are equal in ability. Its easy as moldbug has shown to use rhetorical sleight of hand to conflate the republics of greece rome britain and the USA with soviet communism, its just like Rousseau not so.That isnt to say democracy today doesnt have problems or that one can not observe a left ratchet from the american revolution forward. correlation is not causation. The above periods of white democracy correlate well with the high marks of white and human achievement-just saying.should non whites be allowed to live and vote in white nations should women be allowed to vote should non net taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending money they didnt contribute might be better questions. No one here is a big fan of democracy but some of us are actually trying to save the white race and its civilization and nations; So Larping on about far fetched new schemes to re order the world by yet another visionary jew seems sill when the situation is existential. Particularly when his suggestions to repolace democracy ARE SO FUCKING STUPID that even he only threw them out as examples. We can not go back to Kings thats insane moronic not only did it not work back them except on very very very rare ocassions, but in todays complex world the ministers needed to actually run it would make byzantine into well USGs current bureaucracy.This capitalist patchlord scheme is even worse.While its true capitalism does some things well that acrue to a nation that supports it, its also true that capitlism has destroyed western civilization and been the cause of all we reactionaries are reacting against, it even destroyed the throne and alter system you fetishize.Patchlords like all current capitalists will act for the short term profit even against their long term interest, they certainly wont give a shit about the european man or his civilization, Capitalists are already in control and have used that to partner with multicultural globalists at existential cost to everything a conservative would wish to conserve. Its ffucking retarded.And then of course this Idea that white men are going to willingly put the yoke of a king or boss on their shoulders again is ridiculous, its not a coincident white men keep instituting these republics,

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  • Wagner Says:

    This African neo-shaman while writing this, in a subconscious trance, was Michael Jordan hovering through the doved air, basketball palmed atop statue of liberty arm, but he bounces the ball off the back of the rim when he says:

    “As I have written often, educated Americans in particular now harbor nothing less than an anti-racist religion that will never accept such a mode of thinking as anything but antiquated and morally repulsive.”

    The sooner millennials realize that they belong to a religion, the sooner they will no longer believe in that religion.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    My youngest daughter a prog does recognize its a religion, she also thinks its a true religion, See the problem, we atheists might think once they realize its a silly myth they will give it up, but the religious believe their religion. This is the mistake progs make about muslims and christians, we should know better. When my daughter admits its a religion,she only really admitting its the zeitgeist and that shes guilty as are others of accepting articles of faith,condemning heretics as evil,and following ritual sacrifice and canon. She doesnt for a moment doubt women and nggers are oppressed by white men because she hasn’t done the math herself, its as self evident to her as christ’s sacrifice is to the saved. I think the altright is correct that memes work magic in the spiritual realm. As soon as millenials realize some other smart millennials think religion is silly and stupid they will slowly question their faith.

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    Kino Reply:

    It’s a non issue. The only time it’s an issue is when some smart motherfucker digs up old tropes to red line opportunity so as to pursue some extractive policy. It’s exactly in these topics that NRx autistic tendencies paint a hamstrung psyche. No conceptualization of the OTHER. (Yes that includes really intelligent theory of irreality as in admins nixed past). Now complete divorce/psychic break from body politic — grasping for gold stars of IQ quizzing. Trumpism is the full frontal assault on ISSUE FETISH that Clintonism sought to sell the youngens the Brooklyn Bridge as umbrella policy. Call that fetish religion but really its just tropism in the convenience shop. Screen staring and “liking”. Total transience of thought while everyone deserves an insult. So base. So sad. Above all so wasting. But that’s the program here so hands up emoji.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “Tropism” – nice metaphor. But you’re overlooking the telos implied in it. Plants turn toward light, millennials turn toward truth. They are progressives because they believe progressivism is the truth. If they see that it is not they will turn away from it.

    Poor Mike, a shitlib for a daughter and a Jew for a son. No wonder you get ornery. Well maybe now you can understand the contempt4plebs: many of these are at a no-turning-back point – they’ve been stamped. So I repeat: how would a democracy work if the demos has already been rendered into an unchangeable progressive object? Only chance of change is a dictatorial takeover and gradual/subtle reorientation of the media and education systems. Or we can go with admin’s prediction that the internet will shine bright enough to lure our brethren from the cave (which is rooted in a democratic optimism).

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    collen ryan Reply:

    KEK you forgot my ex wife, Its an uphill struggle your resisting the entire zeitgeist, unless you are immersed in some subcult like christianity. I actually think daughter will eventually flip, though its harder for women. son is a southern man so hes not too bad.
    But you are entirely correct about tropism, not just millenials almost all liberals truly believe that all the disinformation is true is science is the greater good.To that extent Land is correct internet can help except they are hard at work shutting down free thought.
    As to how I think democracy might work, again Im not a huge fan of democracy only think it is kinda the least problematic and possibly genetically embedded in whites.I also dont think universal democracy is good. Women should not exert influence through the vote. And thats going to be difficult. and non ethnos should not be citizens nor present in any great numbers so theyre not voting. And I think voting how to spend taxes you didnt contribute ought to be against the law and most would see this as fair in their aope brain.I also think term limits is a no brainer, its pretty retarded incentivizing short term personal interest in those tasked with long term national interest. Balanced budget laws would prevent the transfer of wealth generationally. This debt based government is the fundamental source of leftism, no one has to choose between what is needed and the latest lefty scheme because money is infinite.Force hard choices and leftism dies.
    I am not opposed to some thug taking out the cathedral if he can, im just saying monarchy is not going to be sustainable in white nations so dont design your philosophy on it. Like wise the patchlord Idea for the same reason but also because while capitalism is a great tool in wise hands it has also done more to destroy what we wish to conserve than leftism, I dont even think there could be leftism /socialism without capitalism. I dont say this anti capitalism stuff from a remotely leftist position, just stating the facts. And pointing out giving capitalists rule of the world is redundant and stupid, soros zuck gates please thats nuts.Also patchwork pretty low tech for these modern philosophers, we currently have a patchwork thats multidimensional and they want to revert to the purely geographical, odd. I am also not married to democracy, just havnt hard of a workable alternative. mainly i think we are in an existential situation and cant waste time larping philosophy we need to strategize conquering cathedral. BTTW I also think the cathedral system makes a lot of democracy problems moot,

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬ Christianity is what made this technology available by letting nerd males procreate because of the 1 man 1 wife system, but as often the seed of its downfall lies in what made it possible.
    Christianity enabled the synthesis of neurotic (abstractive, neurotic) ‘Semitic’ males with virile, splendorous ‘Aryan’ males. however, the more the technology developed (e.g. writing, literacy, is a technology) the more the Semitic aspect overcame the Aryan, and even further with synthetic chemicals of the Industrial Revolution.
    now the Aryans have been dweebified, and Arabs are expanding instead.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    we need a good war war heals all only no more wars against each other

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  • Wagner Says:

    Some evidence that Land is on to something; Strauss in 1971:

    “Heidegger’s philosophy of history has the same structure as Marx’ and Nietzsche’s: the moment in which the final insight is arriving opens the eschatological prospect. But Heidegger is much closer to Nietzsche than to Marx. Both thinkers regard as decisive the nihilism which according to them began in Plato (or before) – Christianity being only Platonism for the people – and whose ultimate consequence is the present decay. Hitherto every great age of humanity grew out of Bodenstaendigkeit (rootedness in the soil). Yet the great age of classical Greece gave birth to a way of thinking which in principle endangered Bodenstaendigkeit from the beginning and in its ultimate contemporary consequences is about to destroy the last relics of that condition of human greatness. Heidegger’s philosophy belongs to the infinitely dangerous moment when man is in a greater danger than ever before of losing his humanity and therefore – danger and salvation belonging together – philosophy can have the task of contributing toward the recovery or return of Bodenstaendigkeit or rather of preparing an entirely novel kind of Bodenstaendigkeit: a Bodenstaendigkeit beyond the most extreme Bodenlosigkeit, a being at home beyond the most extreme homelessness. Nay, there are reasons for thinking that according to Heidegger the world has never yet been in order, or thought has never yet been simply human. A dialogue between the most profound thinkers of the Occident and the most profound thinkers of the Orient and in particular East Asia may lead to the consummation prepared, accompanied or followed by a return of the gods.”

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Oh yeah he wants to plant us in the soil allright

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  • collen ryan Says:

    In Britain, where cousin marriage has been legal for over 400 years, first-cousin marriage is one of the last taboos, often viewed on a par with incest. However, in one community – British Pakistanis – 55 per cent of young people marry their first cousin. And in Bradford, where Hiba comes from, that figure is an astonishing 70 per cent.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    “At the moment Hiba is single and because all her first cousins have married each other, her only hope of a family match would be with a second or third cousin from Pakistan.”

    – you thought finding a mate was hard,look what Artxell has to go through

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [collen ryan (aka ‘Corrupted recall) “look what Artxell has to go through”

    {AK}: Wrong country, wrong religion.
    Even in Pakistan, it’s probably only their ‘hillbilly’ segment, as it were, that engages in such practices.

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  • Claire Colebrook Says:

    Historian Sir Arthur Bryant summarizes Jewish power in pre-1933 Germany (edited slightly for brevity)

    “It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like A THIRD OF THE REAL PROPERTY OF THE REICH.

    Most of it came into their hands during the inflation. But to those who had lost their all, this bewildering transfer seemed a monstrous injustice. After prolonged sufferings they had now been deprived of their last possessions. They saw them pass into the hands of strangers, many of whom had not shared their sacrifices and who cared little or nothing for their national standards and traditions.

    The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions, in spite of constituting LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION.

    The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a large part of the press — all the normal means, in fact, by which public opinion in a civilized country is formed. The largest newspaper combine in the country with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly. Every year it became HARDER AND HARDER FOR A GENTILE TO GAIN OR KEEP A FOOTHOLD IN ANY PRIVILEGED OCCUPATION.

    At this time it was not the ‘Aryans’ who exercised racial discrimination. It was a discrimination that operated without violence. It was EXERCISED BY A MINORITY AGAINST A MAJORITY.

    There was no persecution, only elimination. It was the contrast between the wealth enjoyed — and lavishly displayed—by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and the poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe.

    Beggars on horseback are seldom popular, least of all with those whom they have just thrown out of the saddle.”

    Sir Arthur Bryant, Unfinished Victory (1940)

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬» Reviewer: Jonathan Price – June 8, 2016
    Subject: A Rare Objective Book

    Called “anti-Semitic” because it talks about the extent of Jewish power and wealth in Weimar Germany.

    So is everything else that sheds light on Jewish power, dominance, malfeasance, treachery, subversion, etc.

    I say fuck ’em! Continue to speak the truth and expose these age-old, international troublemakers! »

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Erik It needn’t be a conspiracy or dishonesty to be bad policy ,the wealth and power could have been acquired lawfully and still be insane to allow. La Griife argues Macdonald is wrong and IQ can account for all the disparity.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/ashkenaz.htm

    I am not qualified to arbitrate between them they are both persuasive.I can observe this has been a constant problem wherever jews migrate and seems to predate by millenia all the theoretical periods that might have selected their intelligence.It always ends in expulsion or bloodshed,and they never seem to change behavior as a result particularly in the US after the US saved them from extinction.Whats particularly puzzling is the US was exceptionally suited for them to completely assimilate, instead they developed several; completely wrong headed strategies among them “Is it good for the jews” “Who is a jew?” “”christianity is an offence to jews who wish to enforce atheism as the state religion while being granted an exemption for judaism” “divide americans by class race gender sexual perversity , demonize whites as oppressors and conquer” Target and seize the levers of power in academia, finance, law, media, art, etc. . Its really hard to believe all that was not a premeditated assault but strange things happen whats impossible to believe is they could not see these were exactly the reasons they are always asked to leave.

    The reason its important to understand conspiracy or not this is bad policy is it is quite likely we will have the same problem with east asians in fact we already do, but if immigration levels are allowed to increase it will force multiply.Its simply not tolerable for whites to live under economic dominant races.There is no reason to think we can not survive without being colonized, except that we have allowed it.We seem to be deluded into thinking we are the better for it. I think jews are too much like us too see what is really going on, and so the racist meme works. I think imagining in 35 years east asians owning most of the wealth and power in the anglosphere and ruling us. Imagine chinese owning most of wall street hollywood the law firms medical facilities media companies and universities and using that wealth and power to denigrate whites their culture history etc. Thats whats happening now but its hard to see because they look like us act like us they recognize each other people like me who have lived in places like NY can usually recognize them even when mischlings but most cant see it so cant see the pattern so think picking on the jews is like picking on nerds in high school.

    I actually like a lot of jews despite seeing all this and wish it were not so, I also am it seems much more serious about the existential nature of the situation that NRX seems to be mildly concerned with. And ironically because I see the situation as dire, the Idea of flipping the jews seems perhaps the quickest and least bloody solution. They ought to be able to see by now this is going to end up as a civil war then race war and in the end they will be scapegoated mostly fairly on the group level but often unfairly at the individual level. Understanding this you would think they would do an abrupt reversal and use that power to defend white ness and force assimilate themselves, it wouldn’t be easy but easier than civil war. Despite a sprinkling of NRX jews roughly commensurate to cuckservatve jews ,which is to say way over represented It doesnt seem likely this will happen. The proper action for us whether we hope they can be flipped or not is the same , turn up the heat and speak truth to power, if this doesnt get them thinking it will get whites woke eventually. The idea that it will force them to dig in is simply their talking point to themselves its moldbug saying nothing should be done because something is always political and the right can never overthrow the establishment unless the jews gave them permission, convenient that huh.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Surely no reasonable person could have expected them to let racists have power

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Speaking of physical realities, this is a fun site:
    http://lookism.net/Thread-I-had-always-wondered-where-the-Greensboro-jock-ended-up

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Can someone calculate my midface ratio, I’m too lazy to do it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    its a little horsey nothing to worry about in a guy id be worried about your worrying than the ratia kek

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬» (Phys.org)—Although there are many counterintuitive ideas in quantum theory, the idea that influences can travel backwards in time (from the future to the past) is generally not one of them. However, recently some physicists have been looking into this idea, called “retrocausality,” because it can potentially resolve some long-standing puzzles in quantum physics. In particular, if retrocausality is allowed, then the famous Bell tests can be interpreted as evidence for retrocausality and not for action-at-a-distance—a result that Einstein and others skeptical of that “spooky” property may have appreciated.
    In a new paper published in Proceedings of The Royal Society A, physicists Matthew S. Leifer at Chapman University and Matthew F. Pusey at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics have lent new theoretical support for the argument that, if certain reasonable-sounding assumptions are made, then quantum theory must be retrocausal.
    The appeal of retrocausality
    First, to clarify what retrocausality is and isn’t: It does not mean that signals can be communicated from the future to the past—such signaling would be forbidden even in a retrocausal theory due to thermodynamic reasons. Instead, retrocausality means that, when an experimenter chooses the measurement setting with which to measure a particle, that decision can influence the properties of that particle (or another particle) in the past, even before the experimenter made their choice. In other words, a decision made in the present can influence something in the past.

    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-07-physicists-retrocausal-quantum-theory-future.html#jCp »

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    collen ryan Reply:

    when a wave function collapses and a cat dies it happens in timespace not only does it materialize what happened it materialized what did not happen all these possible paths diverge simultaneously in a time space continuum but also from a wave space continuum. All pasts collapse.There must be possible pasts as well as possible futures,possible futures that collapse into being collapsed possible pasts out of being and actual pasts into being.
    This implies wave time space which i predict to be inverse time. LOLOLOLOL

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    A great takedown of Mcwhorters inanity

    https://www.unz.com/article/no-john-lets-talk-about-race/

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    Wagner Reply:

    “My computer” tried to prevent me from viewing this article. Said it was potentially harmful to “my computer”. It’s never done that for a site before. I had to click advanced options and then click continue to site anyway. The cat’s out of the bag and it’s not happy it was in a bag. O what will the Cathedral do, begin indiscriminately imprisoning thoughtcriminals? That will be a great long-term strategy 😉

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Ive never had a problem like that getting onto UNZ which i like and read almost daily steve sailor and derbyshire. But i have noted google often does shit like that on other “hatesites” and Im not talking alt right which i rarely frequent mostly nrx and paleo.Said for years the greatest threat is this euro style free safe initiative and tech titans pitching in to enforce- but no fear tech titans will soon be our patchlords and then it will be fine

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    Wagner Reply:

    *us in a future well-ordered neocam patch*:

    “wow, what a snooze… we have nothing to complain about anymore… let’s exit to the cathedral patch…”

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    The ‘race problem’ and its hopeful “depopulation solution” is part of the befuddled problem of what to do with the lower class in the wake of de-industrialization.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    when sorting things you start with the really obvious. Conflating nigger races with white people is stupid. Sure we will need to do more than simply ethno state but we can do nothing until thats done and can do everything from that point.I really cant help feeling this refusal to see this is just millennial snowflake faggotry. your fucking 130 -145 IQs are a dime a dozen, you will realize that by the time youre my age , so if you cant find an interim solution for your 85-115 co ethnics your next into the soylent green hopper .Besides this supposed future is in doubt and not because of low IQ people. and describing the future let alone making moronic statements of who needs to be gassed is a fool’s errand, i can think of all sorts of ways it might play out and the least likely is Lands fantasy.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    There is merit in sorting out the simple and the obvious but not if your entire political horizon is reducible to simpleness and obviousness.

    You have no politics post-depeopling?

    You will not change the structure of the economy?

    You won’t reboot the globalist project?

    You don’t care about dollar hegemony?

    It might end in a farce many orders of magnitude below Bolshevism.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I have a few thoughts, first do no harm, dont try to invent some new fangled social organiztion like marx jefferson and moldbug. Stay as close to whats even modestly worked but has know effects, change what you must slowly and carefully be honest about euromans genetic tendencies get ahead of those who have used old instincts to their own purposes.
    I would change some of the economy, much of leftism only exists because the lie of fiat currency and government debt that allows people and rulers to think they can perpetually fund any stupid idea and still afford basic services.The farthest left wing nut job wouldnt vote for any of his pet projects if he actually had to sacrifice his own services. Further its immoral to allow net tax takers to vote on how to spend tax payers money this is why government can not spend taxes it has not collected the notional payers of those uncollected taxes have not authorized it.The irs could determine annually who is a net taxpayer and may vote. professional politicians will be outlawed by term limits and death penalty for corruption. Most government services will be outsourced, however like the rest of the economy the government will oversee anti monopoly cartels rent seekers etc death penalty for corruption women may not vote. non whites may not be citizens and they will be limited. It would be a capitalist economy and lower taxes and regulation however it would be subordinated to the common good things like pornaography would be verbotten.
    The united states would cease trying to rule the world it would simply bomb the living shit out of any nation that threatened it despite a couple warnings, it would make sure it could undoubtedly defeat the entire world simultaneously if need be wthout resort to nuclear weapons. I doubt the dollar could remain hegemonic anyway certainly post debt and post trade deficits its unlikely it might stll remain the reserve currency of choice after all its backed by the only thing that matters power.
    W e wouldnt abandon our yeoman we would cultivate them in a few generations they would be supermen, a head can not live without a body a nation is a people some will always be brains other arms and legs all have a usefulness.The religion would be modified nazism, using the term loosely but its was brilliant in many ways to replace post christian euroman in modernity it was over the top but it was a lot like americanism was at that time confident rational grounded in blood and soil or being and time if you prefer. except americanism was to wedded to christian irrationalism.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    I see attaining racial harmony would give you the faith to be able to deal with any future imponderables. Beyond that, it’s just hum drum, sober governance.

    Good luck with that.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Its not faith its simply one of the biggest impediments to, as you put it humdrum sober governance,( you know that fragile thing civilization without which we are apes) is a demographic to widely distributed ability character and shared culture. It forces authorities to choose policies that fit the average and prevents them from coercing proper behavior for fear of highlighting inequality, this is far worse than the inability to police niggers its the inability to hold white to pre multiculti white standard that a bigger problem.We can no longer shame our own, we can no longer help our own that need some help. And the true cost of diversity is orders of magnatude more than the trillion a year spent on welfare. the affirmative action fraud cost of endorsement from courts prisons police and probation , The use of our best and brightest as apologists for niggerness, and most of all the lost opportunity cost.All this and so so much more would acrue without a multi cultural state.
    Sorry its not as edgy a the moldbug decoder ring you got and you wont be a special snowflake anymore that sort of why we didnt used to lets children vote

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  • Claire Colebrook Says:

    @ collen ryan

    now I can’t find the comment where you used it, but the phrase “zuckfag” (for Zuckerberg) cracked me up

    Thanks, and I’ll be using that one

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