Reaction Points (#1)

The concept of world citizenship leads naturally to the progressive antithesis of the Moldbuggian thesis — to all voice, no exit — in a word, to democracy. The world is that from which there is no exit.
Nydwracu

Spandrell introduces two engrossing discussion themes to run with. Are contemporary trends in robotics leading to a Marxian revival? (Or: Is atavistic tribalism the wave of the near future?) Also: What do we really think HBD is telling us?

This is a strong candidate for the most thoroughly decent thing I’ve ever read. (It helps that the topic is an unfashionably decent man, and a once-decent country). These remarks (December 29, 2012 at 10:40 pm), however, are pure tantalization: “I’ve been thinking about writing something about the difference between some reactionaries who believe a multi-racial society is possible if we stop pretending that everyone is the same (and make other adjustments, see Singapore or Rhodesia or other historical societies) and white nationalists. I’m in the former camp.” [ditto]
Occam’s Razor lays out the pessimistic case.

Radish has changed formats, so I can open the damn thing at last … (crikes!)

It is really easy to kill cockroaches… yet they exist and prosper. Woolly mammoths are hard (and quite dangerous) to kill, yet they do not exist. Which is bitcoin more like?
— Nick B. Steves (March 5th, 2013 at 7:48 pm)

March 6, 2013admin 24 Comments »
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  • northanger Says:

    Last question: neither. If “Satoshi Nakamoto” is an avatar, then why is it Japanese?

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    admin Reply:

    On your answer: Bitcoin seems distinctly cockroachy to me.
    On your question: more data needed (as your New Yorker link concluded).

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    northanger Reply:

    Weirdly, emptied all my kitchen cabinets — pest control sprayed for cockroaches today. Fortunately, it’s not that bad.

    http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto
    Satoshi Nakamoto
    37, Male
    Japan

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    fotrkd Reply:

    Bitcoin is to catch the cockroaches..

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    northanger Reply:

    IOW, Since no one seems to… trust Nakamoto’s profile: If Nakamoto is not Japanese, then why Japanese?

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    admin Reply:

    OK, I get it now … good question.

    fotrkd Reply:

    Are you heading down a purloined letter road?

    northanger Reply:

    @fotrkd
    Are you heading down a purloined letter road?

    As in a clue everyone’s stepping over? Then yes.

    northanger Reply:

    And I should be more specific: it says “Japan” on Nakamoto’s P2P profile and I believe they ask you to select a Country. “Japan” doesn’t mean he’s Japanese, but it does mean he said Country=Japan.

    Why Japan?

    Posted on March 6th, 2013 at 2:52 am Reply | Quote
  • northanger Says:

    Well, I can say the intrinsic value of HBD is Race — but Race flatlined; gone to zero. Then, the intrinsic value of Bitcoin is… Trust.

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    admin Reply:

    HBD isn’t limited to race, surely? Minimally, it’s empirical openness to real human variation across numerous dimensions. Spandrell’s argument — a compelling one IMHO — is that even on core HBD issues (those concerning eugenic and dysgenic trends in relation to intelligence) there are a multitude of plausible theories and potential research programs, which existing ‘HBD constituencies’ tend to simplify unduly, or even entirely overlook.

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    northanger Reply:

    What is the most intrinsically valuable biological or genetic difference between humans today?

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    admin Reply:

    Sexual variation?

    northanger Reply:

    I think HDB folks call it being Watsoned — talking about HDB makes you sound racist. Why? Because (flatline:) you’re talking about racial differences.

    The intrinsic value of HDB seems to be differences; however, in walks the Mighty Bitcoin…

    northanger Reply:

    @Admin
    Sexual variation?

    I’ll accept that in the paternalistic capitalistic i-used-to-live-in-england-now-i’m-in-china-married-to-my-own-kind sorta way.

    🙂

    Posted on March 6th, 2013 at 3:03 am Reply | Quote
  • fotrkd Says:

    Schrödinger’s cat.. Manzoni’s tins… Toxic debt… Gold and bitcoins… Nobody knows what’s in/out(?)side… Is it a question of intrinsicality?

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    Posted on March 6th, 2013 at 3:10 am Reply | Quote
  • northanger Says:

    Ian Smith vs. Robert Mugabe… which is Bitcoin?

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    admin Reply:

    Since Mugabe is Bernanke with brain damage on Angel Dust, he’s certainly better for Bitcoin.

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    northanger Reply:

    We’ve discussed Bitcoin reaching zero but is that its true intrinsic limit? Your comment suggests (a fear) that Bitcoin is intrinsically chaotic — but is it? I think, if you understand me, HBD wants what Bitcoin has.

    The HBD definition: the set of biological and genetic differences between (and within) groups – specifically, the study of such differences.

    So, maybe something we need to look at are the Bitcoin differences.

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    fotrkd Reply:

    Imagine Margaret Thatcher overseeing a miners’ strike when the workers have all the gold and the speculators the (bit)coins… put down your picks… (peaceful) revolution… happening before you know it…

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  • Little Hans Says:

    If your Bitcoins are going to get you in trouble with the cops, don’t they have a negative value? Can we price in random legal grief? A quick trip to the chokey?

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    admin Reply:

    Could a kilogram of high-quality cocaine have negative value? Perhaps abstractly, but hardly in a way that demonstrates a market effect.

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    Posted on March 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am Reply | Quote
  • SDL Says:

    Are contemporary trends in robotics leading to a Marxian revival? Is atavistic tribalism the wave of the near future?

    I think these might be two separate paths, actually? Here’s my anecdote and analysis:

    I got into it with an Armenian the other day. He’s perhaps a couple shades more swarthy than the average white guy and comes from a good town in north L.A.. Yet, as far as he is concerned, he’s not white, and he’s decidedly anti-Anglo. “I love my culture” and “I want to teach my kids Armenian values” came out of his mouth. He also said that poor whites have it better than upper-middle class Armenians, and as a budding academic, he’s committed to toppling the Anglo-Saxon “privilege structure,” which, to him, is purely ethnic. He doesn’t care about class.

    I’m from the L.A. region, so I have plenty of experience with many different tribes, and in each one, there are those who would say the same things. They want nothing to do with class consciousness; racial and ethnic consciousness is their entire reason-for-being. (Hence why 98% of blacks voted for Obama; economic concerns didn’t blip on their radars.) In order to make any real waves, unrest from the lower, un-employable masses would need to cut across racial lines, but I don’t see that happening. Black and Mexican lower classes building bridges? Armenians joining hands in solidarity with the Irish?

    Racial/ethnic/religious tribal consciousness is anathema to the Marxist goal of an international working class. The Left long ago decided to jettison class consciousness and to dedicate itself to ‘giving a voice’ to every last tribe on earth (i.e., democracy). Will the coming robot economy change the Left’s course back to Marxism? Again, I have my doubts. The roots of any future unrest will of course be economic, not racial. But if L.A. is any indication, when the violence erupts, people will band together as racial/ethnic tribes (into which they are already self-segregated) not as a multi-ethnic underclass marching to topple the multi-ethnic robotics engineers.

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    admin Reply:

    I agree the topic deserves more careful attention, without hasty conflation. This was just a pointer to further discussion. (Thanks for providing some.)

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    Posted on March 6th, 2013 at 1:31 pm Reply | Quote

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