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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 16:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ federico

&lt;I&gt;Harry Potter is a legitimate topic for the smart crowd.&lt;/I&gt;

Remarkably (to my unbelieving eyes), I have something for you: a flower, the Fawn Lily.

It&#039;s somewhat underdeveloped, but obviously Snape and Lily (doe), and Harry and his father (stag), all share the same patronus family. The name Oisin, the legendary Irish warrior-poet, means young deer or fawn. I then get quite confused (wasn&#039;t actually looking for HP connections) but there are a few directions you can take this - Yeats (&lt;i&gt;The Wanderings of Oisin&lt;/I&gt;) and his cosmology; and Bryan Sykes&#039; &lt;i&gt;Blood of the Isles&lt;/I&gt;:

&lt;I&gt;Here again, the strongest signal is a Celtic one, in the form of the clan of Oisin, which dominates the scene all over the Isles. The predominance in every part of the Isles of the Atlantis chromosome (the most frequent in the Oisin clan), with its strong affinities to Iberia, along with other matches and the evidence from the maternal side convinces me that it is from this direction that we must look for the origin of Oisin and the great majority of our Y-chromosomes…I can find no evidence at all of a large-scale arrival from the heartland of the Celts of central Europe amongst the paternic genetic ancestry of the Isles… &lt;/I&gt;

Mysteriously these two strands tenuously (as in I haven&#039;t fully worked it out) re-unite through the ancient Hittites, &lt;a href=&quot;http://umanitoba.ca/outreach/lcmnd/proceed_pdf2011/LCMND_18-19.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://macaodhagain.weebly.com/the-ancient-hittites.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;I&gt;DNA testing assigns haplogroups R1 (sometimes nicknamed Seth), R1A (sometimes nicknamed Sigurd) and R1B (sometimes nicknamed Oisin) to the dominant DNA mutation found in the paternal lines of these people.

The R1 tribes, that we shall refer to as the ancient Hittites (or Hattians) had a religious and cultural pantheon that has influenced many younger cultures...&lt;/I&gt;

Anyway, I realise all this is horribly messy, make of it what you will. A few other tangential thoughts: modern-day Urgup, in Turkey (a fair way north of Hattusha), was once called Osian. Ossian is the Scottish version of Oisin; and, similarly insignificantly no doubt, Yeats had a sister known as Lily. There&#039;s also something about Yeats&#039; relationship to Percy Shelley (&lt;i&gt;The Wanderings of Oisin&lt;/I&gt; was based on Shelley&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Alastor, or The Spirit of Solitude&lt;/I&gt;). Shelley is also discussed in an article in the Manitoba document and Prometheus (significant in both Percy and Mary Shelley&#039;s work) is mentioned on the Clann MacAodhagain page:

&lt;I&gt;This pantheon was adapted in Sumerian where Anu&#039;s sons were Enki and Enlil. The former was a benevolent teacher like Prometheus and the latter a vengeful &quot;flood sending&quot; god like the El of the Old Testament.&lt;/I&gt;

Yeats himself asks:

&lt;I&gt;Might I not, with health and good luck to aid me, create some new Prometheus Unbound; Patrick or Columbkil, or Oisin or Fion, in Prometheus&#039; stead; and instead of Caucasus, Cro-Patrick or Ben Bulben? Have not all races had their first unity from a mythology, that marries them to rock and hill?&lt;/I&gt;

(Prometheus=Enki=Ptah; (Wiki quote:) &quot;Ptah-Seker (who resulted from the identification of Ptah with Seker), god of re-incarnation, thus gradually became identified with Osiris, the two becoming Ptah-Seker-Osiris&quot; - for some reason linking Oisin to Osiris feels important (no idea why)).

So... (after all that nonsense)..you could develop and feed this into the eugenics variation: Snape, Lily, James and Harry all belong to the Oisin tribe - the dominant, Celtic clan found in the UK. Snape&#039;s love for Lily is actually a misplaced feeling of kinship, which is his true motivation for protecting Harry (which he can&#039;t admit to - sort of like a Nietzschean Hamlet bound by a code he longs to be free of?). That Harry goes on to marry Ginny (patronus: horse) is also highly intriguing from the Yeats/Oisin perspective (&quot;horseman pass by!&quot;), and through the importance of horses in Hittite (and Celtic) culture, not just militarily, but also e.g. horse burial. In fact horses are connected to the Hyksos god Baal who becomes linked to Seth, the brother (and murderer) of Osiris! Oh, it&#039;s all too messy...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ federico</p>
<p><i>Harry Potter is a legitimate topic for the smart crowd.</i></p>
<p>Remarkably (to my unbelieving eyes), I have something for you: a flower, the Fawn Lily.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s somewhat underdeveloped, but obviously Snape and Lily (doe), and Harry and his father (stag), all share the same patronus family. The name Oisin, the legendary Irish warrior-poet, means young deer or fawn. I then get quite confused (wasn&#8217;t actually looking for HP connections) but there are a few directions you can take this &#8211; Yeats (<i>The Wanderings of Oisin</i>) and his cosmology; and Bryan Sykes&#8217; <i>Blood of the Isles</i>:</p>
<p><i>Here again, the strongest signal is a Celtic one, in the form of the clan of Oisin, which dominates the scene all over the Isles. The predominance in every part of the Isles of the Atlantis chromosome (the most frequent in the Oisin clan), with its strong affinities to Iberia, along with other matches and the evidence from the maternal side convinces me that it is from this direction that we must look for the origin of Oisin and the great majority of our Y-chromosomes…I can find no evidence at all of a large-scale arrival from the heartland of the Celts of central Europe amongst the paternic genetic ancestry of the Isles… </i></p>
<p>Mysteriously these two strands tenuously (as in I haven&#8217;t fully worked it out) re-unite through the ancient Hittites, <a href="http://umanitoba.ca/outreach/lcmnd/proceed_pdf2011/LCMND_18-19.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://macaodhagain.weebly.com/the-ancient-hittites.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a>:</p>
<p><i>DNA testing assigns haplogroups R1 (sometimes nicknamed Seth), R1A (sometimes nicknamed Sigurd) and R1B (sometimes nicknamed Oisin) to the dominant DNA mutation found in the paternal lines of these people.</p>
<p>The R1 tribes, that we shall refer to as the ancient Hittites (or Hattians) had a religious and cultural pantheon that has influenced many younger cultures&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Anyway, I realise all this is horribly messy, make of it what you will. A few other tangential thoughts: modern-day Urgup, in Turkey (a fair way north of Hattusha), was once called Osian. Ossian is the Scottish version of Oisin; and, similarly insignificantly no doubt, Yeats had a sister known as Lily. There&#8217;s also something about Yeats&#8217; relationship to Percy Shelley (<i>The Wanderings of Oisin</i> was based on Shelley&#8217;s <i>Alastor, or The Spirit of Solitude</i>). Shelley is also discussed in an article in the Manitoba document and Prometheus (significant in both Percy and Mary Shelley&#8217;s work) is mentioned on the Clann MacAodhagain page:</p>
<p><i>This pantheon was adapted in Sumerian where Anu&#8217;s sons were Enki and Enlil. The former was a benevolent teacher like Prometheus and the latter a vengeful &#8220;flood sending&#8221; god like the El of the Old Testament.</i></p>
<p>Yeats himself asks:</p>
<p><i>Might I not, with health and good luck to aid me, create some new Prometheus Unbound; Patrick or Columbkil, or Oisin or Fion, in Prometheus&#8217; stead; and instead of Caucasus, Cro-Patrick or Ben Bulben? Have not all races had their first unity from a mythology, that marries them to rock and hill?</i></p>
<p>(Prometheus=Enki=Ptah; (Wiki quote:) &#8220;Ptah-Seker (who resulted from the identification of Ptah with Seker), god of re-incarnation, thus gradually became identified with Osiris, the two becoming Ptah-Seker-Osiris&#8221; &#8211; for some reason linking Oisin to Osiris feels important (no idea why)).</p>
<p>So&#8230; (after all that nonsense)..you could develop and feed this into the eugenics variation: Snape, Lily, James and Harry all belong to the Oisin tribe &#8211; the dominant, Celtic clan found in the UK. Snape&#8217;s love for Lily is actually a misplaced feeling of kinship, which is his true motivation for protecting Harry (which he can&#8217;t admit to &#8211; sort of like a Nietzschean Hamlet bound by a code he longs to be free of?). That Harry goes on to marry Ginny (patronus: horse) is also highly intriguing from the Yeats/Oisin perspective (&#8220;horseman pass by!&#8221;), and through the importance of horses in Hittite (and Celtic) culture, not just militarily, but also e.g. horse burial. In fact horses are connected to the Hyksos god Baal who becomes linked to Seth, the brother (and murderer) of Osiris! Oh, it&#8217;s all too messy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-5/#comment-2800</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was good: the always sensible Social Pathologist discusses &lt;a href=&quot;http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2013/04/taking-on-cathedral.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Taking on the Cathedral&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was good: the always sensible Social Pathologist discusses <a href="http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2013/04/taking-on-cathedral.html" rel="nofollow">Taking on the Cathedral</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: vimothy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-5/#comment-2795</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh dear -- I appear to have posted this in the wrong thread...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear &#8212; I appear to have posted this in the wrong thread&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: vimothy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-5/#comment-2793</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have any insightful thoughts on neoreaction, though I&#039;ve
enjoyed reading all the essays linked in the OP. 

What I consider to be a reactionary, though, is really just a
conservative -- a /true/ conservative -- that is, someone who defends
the Christian and Classical understanding of the nature of man and the
moral order in which he operates as the heritage of Western
Civilization.

If we think of neoreaction as a class of objects, it inherits reaction
from this, its parent. None of the three strains of neoreaction
exhausts the meaning of conservatism -- each reflecting some essential
aspect, but also introducing some distortions.

Religion, ethny and trade are all important, but important as parts of
a wider whole, interdependent, interlinked. Conservatives should be
wary of taking some aspect of reality and confusing it for what it&#039;s
not, i.e., everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any insightful thoughts on neoreaction, though I&#8217;ve<br />
enjoyed reading all the essays linked in the OP. </p>
<p>What I consider to be a reactionary, though, is really just a<br />
conservative &#8212; a /true/ conservative &#8212; that is, someone who defends<br />
the Christian and Classical understanding of the nature of man and the<br />
moral order in which he operates as the heritage of Western<br />
Civilization.</p>
<p>If we think of neoreaction as a class of objects, it inherits reaction<br />
from this, its parent. None of the three strains of neoreaction<br />
exhausts the meaning of conservatism &#8212; each reflecting some essential<br />
aspect, but also introducing some distortions.</p>
<p>Religion, ethny and trade are all important, but important as parts of<br />
a wider whole, interdependent, interlinked. Conservatives should be<br />
wary of taking some aspect of reality and confusing it for what it&#8217;s<br />
not, i.e., everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-5/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When all you have is a hammer....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When all you have is a hammer&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: vimothy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-5/#comment-2788</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clark&#039;s post was a bit strange. Comments seem to divide up into two basic arguments. Either,

&lt;i&gt;Racism per se is a positive good;
Christianity is inherently racist;
Therefore, Christianity is good.&lt;/i&gt;

Or,

&lt;i&gt;Racism per se is a positive good;
Christianity is inherently anti-racist;
Therefore, Christianity is bad.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark&#8217;s post was a bit strange. Comments seem to divide up into two basic arguments. Either,</p>
<p><i>Racism per se is a positive good;<br />
Christianity is inherently racist;<br />
Therefore, Christianity is good.</i></p>
<p>Or,</p>
<p><i>Racism per se is a positive good;<br />
Christianity is inherently anti-racist;<br />
Therefore, Christianity is bad.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Optimizing for truth &#124; Bloody shovel</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-5/#comment-2785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Optimizing for truth &#124; Bloody shovel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] others want to maximize intelligence, people be damned. And they give links to what is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] others want to maximize intelligence, people be damned. And they give links to what is [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That Jim piece is going to be an instant classic, cranking the definition discussion up a notch. 

Free-riding on your flagrant arbitrariness a little further; three additional Cathedral crumbling stories from the mainstream, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-the-end-of-entitlement/2013/04/28/90356b1a-ae90-11e2-8bf6-e70cb6ae066e_story.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newgeography.com/content/003665-class-warfare-republicans&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://freebeacon.com/blog/the-cost-of-crying-racism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Things are coming apart far faster than anything is coming together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Jim piece is going to be an instant classic, cranking the definition discussion up a notch. </p>
<p>Free-riding on your flagrant arbitrariness a little further; three additional Cathedral crumbling stories from the mainstream, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-the-end-of-entitlement/2013/04/28/90356b1a-ae90-11e2-8bf6-e70cb6ae066e_story.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://www.newgeography.com/content/003665-class-warfare-republicans" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://freebeacon.com/blog/the-cost-of-crying-racism/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Things are coming apart far faster than anything is coming together.</p>
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		<title>By: Is Christianity Inherently Left-Wing and Egalitarian? &#124; Occam&#039;s Razor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-5/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Is Christianity Inherently Left-Wing and Egalitarian? &#124; Occam&#039;s Razor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the recent discussions about the Dark Enlightenment, the positioning of traditional Christianity has come up, in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the recent discussions about the Dark Enlightenment, the positioning of traditional Christianity has come up, in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Thales</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was an abundance of anti-democratic sentiment among the flock with regard to Iraq during the Bush 43 years.  The “Arab Spring” would be more honestly labeled as the “Obama Spring” for His presumed ability to bring lasting liberal democracy to those who previously possessed an insurmountable lack of said tradition just one presidential term earlier.  How convenient!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an abundance of anti-democratic sentiment among the flock with regard to Iraq during the Bush 43 years.  The “Arab Spring” would be more honestly labeled as the “Obama Spring” for His presumed ability to bring lasting liberal democracy to those who previously possessed an insurmountable lack of said tradition just one presidential term earlier.  How convenient!</p>
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