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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-9/#comment-32696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m agnostic on the Glorious Revolution, since many of the arguments come down the cases, but otherwise I don&#039;t really disagree with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m agnostic on the Glorious Revolution, since many of the arguments come down the cases, but otherwise I don&#8217;t really disagree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmakaiser</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I believe the communist had a similar logic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I believe the communist had a similar logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmakaiser</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-9/#comment-32693</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Lasser Bull, 

That is kind of my point. If Divine Right and Enlightened Absolutism are innovations and leftward drift then we&#039;re left with the traditional rights and duties (optionally these rights and tuties are grounded ultimately in natural law) that the king must fullfill based on custom and if the king doesn&#039;t fullfill them the lords have the right to check the king as they did with Magna Carta and


Wait.

No that must be an error message.

If the above is true, that gives lord a right to revolution if the king won&#039;t be checked by the lords through parliment since the lords through parliment have power of the purse. But then that makes the Glorious Revoltion a conservative revolution and not the beginning of leftward drift.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lasser Bull, </p>
<p>That is kind of my point. If Divine Right and Enlightened Absolutism are innovations and leftward drift then we&#8217;re left with the traditional rights and duties (optionally these rights and tuties are grounded ultimately in natural law) that the king must fullfill based on custom and if the king doesn&#8217;t fullfill them the lords have the right to check the king as they did with Magna Carta and</p>
<p>Wait.</p>
<p>No that must be an error message.</p>
<p>If the above is true, that gives lord a right to revolution if the king won&#8217;t be checked by the lords through parliment since the lords through parliment have power of the purse. But then that makes the Glorious Revoltion a conservative revolution and not the beginning of leftward drift.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-9/#comment-32692</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you mean that going from Divine Right to Enlightened Absolutism was leftward drift?

Anyhow, historically Divine Right itself looks like leftward drift, or at least a product of it.  Earlier you had customary and legal limits on kingship that Divine Right displaced as part of a centralizing rationalization of the ideology of monarchy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you mean that going from Divine Right to Enlightened Absolutism was leftward drift?</p>
<p>Anyhow, historically Divine Right itself looks like leftward drift, or at least a product of it.  Earlier you had customary and legal limits on kingship that Divine Right displaced as part of a centralizing rationalization of the ideology of monarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmakaiser</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-9/#comment-32687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmakaiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Neocameralism is the idea that a sovereign state or primary corporation is not organizationally distinct from a secondary or private corporation. Thus we can achieve good management, and thus ***libertarian government***, by converting sovcorps to the same management design that works well in today&#039;s private sector - the joint-stock corporation.&quot;

Juuuuuust sayin&#039; that Smith, Ricardo, and Malthus were considered liberal in their day for their advocacy of markets as a means of distributing resources and information. Moldbug gives us no reason to assume he is against the libertarian goal, which is emphatically not the goal of Filmer or Fitzhugh, but it is the view of Carlyle, well not quite but to some extent. His negative description of democracy matches Moldbug&#039;s.

Oh yes Carlyle. Now how does moldbug describe Carlyle?

&quot;Thomas Carlyle  is not just an atheist. He is a Christian atheist.

Thomas Carlyle is not just a Christian atheist. He is a Protestant atheist. And he is not just a Protestant atheist. He is a Calvinist atheist. And he is not just a Calvinist atheist. He is an Anglo-Calvin atheist. In other words, he can also be described as a Puritan atheist, a Dissenter atheist, a Nonconformist atheist, an Evangelical atheist, etc, etc.&quot;

Oh wait I had the wrong person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neocameralism is the idea that a sovereign state or primary corporation is not organizationally distinct from a secondary or private corporation. Thus we can achieve good management, and thus ***libertarian government***, by converting sovcorps to the same management design that works well in today&#8217;s private sector &#8211; the joint-stock corporation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Juuuuuust sayin&#8217; that Smith, Ricardo, and Malthus were considered liberal in their day for their advocacy of markets as a means of distributing resources and information. Moldbug gives us no reason to assume he is against the libertarian goal, which is emphatically not the goal of Filmer or Fitzhugh, but it is the view of Carlyle, well not quite but to some extent. His negative description of democracy matches Moldbug&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Oh yes Carlyle. Now how does moldbug describe Carlyle?</p>
<p>&#8220;Thomas Carlyle  is not just an atheist. He is a Christian atheist.</p>
<p>Thomas Carlyle is not just a Christian atheist. He is a Protestant atheist. And he is not just a Protestant atheist. He is a Calvinist atheist. And he is not just a Calvinist atheist. He is an Anglo-Calvin atheist. In other words, he can also be described as a Puritan atheist, a Dissenter atheist, a Nonconformist atheist, an Evangelical atheist, etc, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh wait I had the wrong person.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmakaiser</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-9/#comment-32686</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The neocameralist nation is in policy libertarian and this is a moldbuggian blindspot.

moldbug cares about violence and increase in profit because what is good for the polity is good for the state. the entire point of neocamerialism is to make anarcho-capitalism&#039;s policy platform work. Libertarian drift, is for moldbug, a *feature* not a bug. The whole point of authority for moldbug is people live lives that maximizing long term purchasing power and a decrease in political violence, a overriding concern for purchasing power over violence is a *libertarian* not a monarchist concern. Filmer is concerned about the state as oriented to God, which is not a concern moldbug shares since he is an atheist. 

Also going from Enlightened Absolutism to Divine Right was leftward drift.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The neocameralist nation is in policy libertarian and this is a moldbuggian blindspot.</p>
<p>moldbug cares about violence and increase in profit because what is good for the polity is good for the state. the entire point of neocamerialism is to make anarcho-capitalism&#8217;s policy platform work. Libertarian drift, is for moldbug, a *feature* not a bug. The whole point of authority for moldbug is people live lives that maximizing long term purchasing power and a decrease in political violence, a overriding concern for purchasing power over violence is a *libertarian* not a monarchist concern. Filmer is concerned about the state as oriented to God, which is not a concern moldbug shares since he is an atheist. </p>
<p>Also going from Enlightened Absolutism to Divine Right was leftward drift.</p>
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		<title>By: R7 Rocket</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-9/#comment-32640</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There will be resistance from local and state governments as well as armed citizens (there is already resistance from state governments and local sheriffs). Keep in mind the continuing advancement in downloadable 3d printed parts. It won&#039;t just be guns being printed.

Also take into account... $17 trillion in National debt as of now and $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Can&#039;t put down resistance if the national police and the army isn&#039;t being paid in reliable currency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be resistance from local and state governments as well as armed citizens (there is already resistance from state governments and local sheriffs). Keep in mind the continuing advancement in downloadable 3d printed parts. It won&#8217;t just be guns being printed.</p>
<p>Also take into account&#8230; $17 trillion in National debt as of now and $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Can&#8217;t put down resistance if the national police and the army isn&#8217;t being paid in reliable currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reaction-points-9/#comment-32630</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope.  Only if from the Left.  I think PleasureMan has actually written some decent critiques:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7616-dark-enlightenment-meets-snark-enlightenment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1. here and &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7629-snark-enlightenment-youd-better-fucking-take-it-seriously/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2. here and &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7632-through-an-enlightenment-dorkly/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3. here and &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7699-revenge-of-the-dark-enlightenment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4. here&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  Only if from the Left.  I think PleasureMan has actually written some decent critiques:</p>
<p><a href="http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7616-dark-enlightenment-meets-snark-enlightenment/" rel="nofollow">1. here and </a><a href="http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7629-snark-enlightenment-youd-better-fucking-take-it-seriously/" rel="nofollow">2. here and </a><a href="http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7632-through-an-enlightenment-dorkly/" rel="nofollow">3. here and </a><a href="http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7699-revenge-of-the-dark-enlightenment/" rel="nofollow">4. here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Saddam Hussein's Whirling Aluminium Tubes</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 23:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The guns will never be used.

Current trends will continue and your transsexual mestizo grandchildren will inherit your guns, decide it&#039;s not worth taking the time and expense to register them and turn them in for a $50 Walmart gift card.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guns will never be used.</p>
<p>Current trends will continue and your transsexual mestizo grandchildren will inherit your guns, decide it&#8217;s not worth taking the time and expense to register them and turn them in for a $50 Walmart gift card.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[314 plus million guns in private hands are going to be taken with no fuss?  114 million rifles?

Despite the fact that the slightest move that way sets off escalations in the internal arms race?

By arms race I mean:  guns and ammunition on back order for months or over a year for the higher end weapons such as Bushmaster?

Police chiefs and sheriffs nullifying the laws publicly and privately? 

Public and repeated threats of revolution?   The very powder panics a powder keg waiting, indeed hopefully waiting for the spark? 

Not just the NRA but the very munitions companies themselves becoming very openly and belligerently political? 

That&#039;s not a fuss waiting  to happen? 

Then why did they back down? 

Well perhaps we&#039;ll see.   I would look again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>314 plus million guns in private hands are going to be taken with no fuss?  114 million rifles?</p>
<p>Despite the fact that the slightest move that way sets off escalations in the internal arms race?</p>
<p>By arms race I mean:  guns and ammunition on back order for months or over a year for the higher end weapons such as Bushmaster?</p>
<p>Police chiefs and sheriffs nullifying the laws publicly and privately? </p>
<p>Public and repeated threats of revolution?   The very powder panics a powder keg waiting, indeed hopefully waiting for the spark? </p>
<p>Not just the NRA but the very munitions companies themselves becoming very openly and belligerently political? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a fuss waiting  to happen? </p>
<p>Then why did they back down? </p>
<p>Well perhaps we&#8217;ll see.   I would look again.</p>
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