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		<title>By: Konkvistador</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Konkvistador]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adore the river of clicks! 

Upvotes! Votes to filter and sort content is asking for problems whatever the formal admins and mods are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adore the river of clicks! </p>
<p>Upvotes! Votes to filter and sort content is asking for problems whatever the formal admins and mods are.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 05:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The problem in this is that enticingness is a function of popularity: the bigger the community, the more that deadweight desires to join, and the less that contributors want to join.&quot;

Actually the problem is a bit more subtle - what is the selection mechanism for gathering ratings selecting for? Ultimately dead weight outweighs actual contributors and the selection mechanism becomes about appealing to the dead weight (sound like a familiar problem?).

This is actually the central insight of xNR, imo - the function of any institution depends entirely on how it selects the people to whom it grants authority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The problem in this is that enticingness is a function of popularity: the bigger the community, the more that deadweight desires to join, and the less that contributors want to join.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually the problem is a bit more subtle &#8211; what is the selection mechanism for gathering ratings selecting for? Ultimately dead weight outweighs actual contributors and the selection mechanism becomes about appealing to the dead weight (sound like a familiar problem?).</p>
<p>This is actually the central insight of xNR, imo &#8211; the function of any institution depends entirely on how it selects the people to whom it grants authority.</p>
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		<title>By: laofmoonster</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[laofmoonster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 03:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&gt;Anyway, Reddit might be the beginnings of Moldbug’s plan to put trusted people in charge of every topic.&quot;

StackOverflow is far better structured for this, but even they are suffering recently:  http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506/question-quality-is-dropping-on-stack-overflow

Internet communities have a rise-peak-fall lifecycle that is difficult to stop. They need to be enticing enough to gather contributors, but repellent enough to deter deadweight. The problem in this is that enticingness is a function of popularity: the bigger the community, the more that deadweight desires to join, and the less that contributors want to join.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Slippery slopes can sometimes be avoided by establishing a &quot;Schelling fence&quot; - a Schelling point that the various interest groups involved - or yourself across different values and times - make a credible precommitment to defend. http://lesswrong.com/lw/ase/schelling_fences_on_slippery_slopes/&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What kind of Schelling fence on popularity can you set on a subreddit? Expert-driven subreddits like /r/AskScience and /r/AskHistorians fight a constant uphill battle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&gt;Anyway, Reddit might be the beginnings of Moldbug’s plan to put trusted people in charge of every topic.&#8221;</p>
<p>StackOverflow is far better structured for this, but even they are suffering recently:  <a href="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506/question-quality-is-dropping-on-stack-overflow" rel="nofollow">http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506/question-quality-is-dropping-on-stack-overflow</a></p>
<p>Internet communities have a rise-peak-fall lifecycle that is difficult to stop. They need to be enticing enough to gather contributors, but repellent enough to deter deadweight. The problem in this is that enticingness is a function of popularity: the bigger the community, the more that deadweight desires to join, and the less that contributors want to join.</p>
<blockquote><p>Slippery slopes can sometimes be avoided by establishing a &#8220;Schelling fence&#8221; &#8211; a Schelling point that the various interest groups involved &#8211; or yourself across different values and times &#8211; make a credible precommitment to defend. <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/ase/schelling_fences_on_slippery_slopes/" rel="nofollow">http://lesswrong.com/lw/ase/schelling_fences_on_slippery_slopes/</a></p></blockquote>
<p>What kind of Schelling fence on popularity can you set on a subreddit? Expert-driven subreddits like /r/AskScience and /r/AskHistorians fight a constant uphill battle.</p>
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		<title>By: laofmoonster</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[laofmoonster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 02:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ack, clicked the wrong &quot;reply&quot; link]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ack, clicked the wrong &#8220;reply&#8221; link</p>
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		<title>By: laofmoonster</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[laofmoonster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Piano&lt;/strong&gt;

You may be thinking of this post which I wrote a few weeks ago: http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkEnlightenment/comments/24ojk8/some_concerns_about_using_reddit_and/

I&#039;ve lurked on /r/new_right for a few years, and trust me when I say there is no original thought worth doing on Reddit that can&#039;t be done better on a blog or even Twitter. It&#039;s good for link sharing, that&#039;s about it. Any participation on reddit on my part should be seen as a flaw rather than a precedent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Piano</strong></p>
<p>You may be thinking of this post which I wrote a few weeks ago: <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkEnlightenment/comments/24ojk8/some_concerns_about_using_reddit_and/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkEnlightenment/comments/24ojk8/some_concerns_about_using_reddit_and/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lurked on /r/new_right for a few years, and trust me when I say there is no original thought worth doing on Reddit that can&#8217;t be done better on a blog or even Twitter. It&#8217;s good for link sharing, that&#8217;s about it. Any participation on reddit on my part should be seen as a flaw rather than a precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 01:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I hardly ever go there, but the comments went more N/L&#039;s way as it went on...and on..and on...

That&#039;s Racist is a mantra with these people of truly fanatical faith.  If they were Muslims they wouldn&#039;t have prayer bruises they&#039;d have indentations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I hardly ever go there, but the comments went more N/L&#8217;s way as it went on&#8230;and on..and on&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s Racist is a mantra with these people of truly fanatical faith.  If they were Muslims they wouldn&#8217;t have prayer bruises they&#8217;d have indentations.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 19:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@John&lt;/strong&gt;

Hey, just like the idea behind the Republican party!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@John</strong></p>
<p>Hey, just like the idea behind the Republican party!</p>
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		<title>By: Ademonos</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ademonos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 16:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the topic of reddit, has anyone considered setting up some sort of botfarm in order to control the flow of opinions and information on there? It&#039;s easy to set up votebots with Reddit&#039;s API, though I&#039;m sure that in order to avoid detection when using them in greater quantities one would have to obfuscate them somewhat (lots of IP&#039;s being necessary, perhaps, for example). One could then connect that to a master account(s), and they would upvote and downvote content proportionally to the amount of existing votes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of reddit, has anyone considered setting up some sort of botfarm in order to control the flow of opinions and information on there? It&#8217;s easy to set up votebots with Reddit&#8217;s API, though I&#8217;m sure that in order to avoid detection when using them in greater quantities one would have to obfuscate them somewhat (lots of IP&#8217;s being necessary, perhaps, for example). One could then connect that to a master account(s), and they would upvote and downvote content proportionally to the amount of existing votes.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 15:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether it is the preferred medium or not, as Nrx grows there will be a subreddit dedicated to it, and that will become a point of first exposure and major gathering place for those who weren&#039;t around when the party kicked off. Better to exert what influence we can, while we can, than pretend it isn&#039;t going to happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it is the preferred medium or not, as Nrx grows there will be a subreddit dedicated to it, and that will become a point of first exposure and major gathering place for those who weren&#8217;t around when the party kicked off. Better to exert what influence we can, while we can, than pretend it isn&#8217;t going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Reddit Shift &#124; Reaction Times</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/reddit-shift/#comment-55021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reddit Shift &#124; Reaction Times]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 09:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Source: Outside In [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Source: Outside In [&#8230;]</p>
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