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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-1/#comment-5098</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, link fixed. 
This argument is getting fuzzy -- there&#039;s not enough of a tendentious thesis to get your teeth into (it&#039;s just cognitive prep to this point). I&#039;ll do my best to remedy that in the next installment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, link fixed.<br />
This argument is getting fuzzy &#8212; there&#8217;s not enough of a tendentious thesis to get your teeth into (it&#8217;s just cognitive prep to this point). I&#8217;ll do my best to remedy that in the next installment.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-1/#comment-5096</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 05:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your link at the end is broken. And non-sensical. There are lots of economic analyses of central banking systems. Sargent in particular is known for his work on the time-consistency problem for central banks, and central bank behavior plays a massive (dominant for the situations he&#039;s currently focused on) role in Scott Sumner&#039;s view. Also, Franco tried having his economy run by falangists for a while. When he booted them out for a more liberal order it became known as the &quot;Spanish miracle&quot;. The &quot;German miracle&quot; similarly resulted from discarding Nazi-era regulations. Pinochet followed a similar path as Franco, but took much less time. Even in the U.S there was little love lost for the N.R.A struck down in Schechter (the most fascistic element of the New Deal). Are we living in a laissez-faire economy? Far from it, but nobody really sees fascism as an alternative. You and Noah Smith may both complain about conceiving of the economy as starting from a no-government simple ideal and then adding complications, but that is the dominant conception (though there are loads and loads and loads of such complications). The fears from &quot;The Road to Serfdom&quot; about a slide toward central planning totalitarianism are basically dead (Hayek himself claimed some credit for averting that dystopia). What we have is more like the entropic accretion of goo and cruft on top of an old market system that nobody really denies delivers the goods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your link at the end is broken. And non-sensical. There are lots of economic analyses of central banking systems. Sargent in particular is known for his work on the time-consistency problem for central banks, and central bank behavior plays a massive (dominant for the situations he&#8217;s currently focused on) role in Scott Sumner&#8217;s view. Also, Franco tried having his economy run by falangists for a while. When he booted them out for a more liberal order it became known as the &#8220;Spanish miracle&#8221;. The &#8220;German miracle&#8221; similarly resulted from discarding Nazi-era regulations. Pinochet followed a similar path as Franco, but took much less time. Even in the U.S there was little love lost for the N.R.A struck down in Schechter (the most fascistic element of the New Deal). Are we living in a laissez-faire economy? Far from it, but nobody really sees fascism as an alternative. You and Noah Smith may both complain about conceiving of the economy as starting from a no-government simple ideal and then adding complications, but that is the dominant conception (though there are loads and loads and loads of such complications). The fears from &#8220;The Road to Serfdom&#8221; about a slide toward central planning totalitarianism are basically dead (Hayek himself claimed some credit for averting that dystopia). What we have is more like the entropic accretion of goo and cruft on top of an old market system that nobody really denies delivers the goods.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-1/#comment-5011</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 01:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ TGGP
Schematically, Austrianism has evolved in three broad phases:
(1) The construction of a model economy, inspired by the Old Liberal Order, but idealized as a coherent market system. Within this framework, firm non-cardinal but mathematically certain predictions could be made. If we were constructing an economy inside a computer system (as Goulding has suggested), this apparatus -- consummated in &lt;em&gt;Human Action&lt;/em&gt; -- could be directly transferred.
(2) &#039;Deviations&#039; from this ideal economy, both from legacy structures and -- increasingly -- statist innovations, provoked  more complex analyses, which treated all non-market interference as perturbations (defined relative to an implicit  market norm) whose cascading inefficiencies would eventually succumb to competitive pressure or intrinsic failure and be processed out. Rothbardians tend to think this way. Mises provides the template, with his &lt;em&gt;Economic Calculation the Socialist Commonwealth&lt;/em&gt;.
(3)  The triumph of fascist political-economy model over its socialist and liberal rivals in the 20th century is only slowly being intellectually digested, but it requires an Austrian response which has yet to be clearly seen. Under near-universal conditions of actually-existing fascism -- characterized by dense regulation, central banking and pure fiat currencies, massive state-corporate collaboration, entrenched welfare systems, and public opinion / macroeconomic management by academic-administrative elites -- the presumption of an effective &#039;market norm&#039; becomes almost entirely unsustainable. The whole of society is the &#039;deviation&#039;, with relatively pure market dynamics restricted to the black economy (where it is subject to raw police coercion -- and phase-2 analytical resources can still be appropriately employed). 

So I am not really arguing with you. Mainstream macroeconomics has been, quite literally, made for this world, which it serves administratively and -- secondarily but interconnectedly -- as a sophisticated propaganda organ. Since confidence is a crucial economic variable, which the regime openly and even proudly manipulates, it would be sheer mystification to pretend that any of this is &#039;science&#039; (unless the art of mesmerism is). &quot;Since we&#039;re dealing with markets that are being manipulated by central bank policies, there is no such thing as economic analysis anymore.&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-30/jeff-gundlach-there-no-such-thing-economic-analysis-anymore-all-you-have-imagination&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TGGP<br />
Schematically, Austrianism has evolved in three broad phases:<br />
(1) The construction of a model economy, inspired by the Old Liberal Order, but idealized as a coherent market system. Within this framework, firm non-cardinal but mathematically certain predictions could be made. If we were constructing an economy inside a computer system (as Goulding has suggested), this apparatus &#8212; consummated in <em>Human Action</em> &#8212; could be directly transferred.<br />
(2) &#8216;Deviations&#8217; from this ideal economy, both from legacy structures and &#8212; increasingly &#8212; statist innovations, provoked  more complex analyses, which treated all non-market interference as perturbations (defined relative to an implicit  market norm) whose cascading inefficiencies would eventually succumb to competitive pressure or intrinsic failure and be processed out. Rothbardians tend to think this way. Mises provides the template, with his <em>Economic Calculation the Socialist Commonwealth</em>.<br />
(3)  The triumph of fascist political-economy model over its socialist and liberal rivals in the 20th century is only slowly being intellectually digested, but it requires an Austrian response which has yet to be clearly seen. Under near-universal conditions of actually-existing fascism &#8212; characterized by dense regulation, central banking and pure fiat currencies, massive state-corporate collaboration, entrenched welfare systems, and public opinion / macroeconomic management by academic-administrative elites &#8212; the presumption of an effective &#8216;market norm&#8217; becomes almost entirely unsustainable. The whole of society is the &#8216;deviation&#8217;, with relatively pure market dynamics restricted to the black economy (where it is subject to raw police coercion &#8212; and phase-2 analytical resources can still be appropriately employed). </p>
<p>So I am not really arguing with you. Mainstream macroeconomics has been, quite literally, made for this world, which it serves administratively and &#8212; secondarily but interconnectedly &#8212; as a sophisticated propaganda organ. Since confidence is a crucial economic variable, which the regime openly and even proudly manipulates, it would be sheer mystification to pretend that any of this is &#8216;science&#8217; (unless the art of mesmerism is). &#8220;Since we&#8217;re dealing with markets that are being manipulated by central bank policies, there is no such thing as economic analysis anymore.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-30/jeff-gundlach-there-no-such-thing-economic-analysis-anymore-all-you-have-imagination" rel="nofollow">Link</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 23:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Austrians and other &quot;reactionary&quot; types sometimes portray the status quo as being totalitarian socialism and the sheep just don&#039;t realize it. I have always sided with The Undiscovered Jew against Foseti/Moldbug when comparing the west to communism: Walter Block once said &quot;If you can&#039;t tell the difference between a carpet and a toilet, don&#039;t come to my house&quot;. And if you can&#039;t tell the blindingly obvious difference between America and the Soviet Union, there&#039;s little point having a discussion with you. But back to our conversation, the point of dispute was whether something was THEORETICALLY possible. Now it&#039;s a question of empiricism, which neoclassical economics places more emphasis on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austrians and other &#8220;reactionary&#8221; types sometimes portray the status quo as being totalitarian socialism and the sheep just don&#8217;t realize it. I have always sided with The Undiscovered Jew against Foseti/Moldbug when comparing the west to communism: Walter Block once said &#8220;If you can&#8217;t tell the difference between a carpet and a toilet, don&#8217;t come to my house&#8221;. And if you can&#8217;t tell the blindingly obvious difference between America and the Soviet Union, there&#8217;s little point having a discussion with you. But back to our conversation, the point of dispute was whether something was THEORETICALLY possible. Now it&#8217;s a question of empiricism, which neoclassical economics places more emphasis on.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-1/#comment-4949</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 08:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the entire discussion of monopsony bizarrely divorced from reality? How could it arise except under totalitarian socialist conditions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the entire discussion of monopsony bizarrely divorced from reality? How could it arise except under totalitarian socialist conditions?</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-1/#comment-4943</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 04:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The textbook problem with a monopoly is that (in the absence of price discrimination), the profit-maximizing price is well above marginal cost. That means deadweight loss, because there are people who won&#039;t purchase an additional unit even though they&#039;d be willing to pay more money than it costs the monopolist to produce it (and they&#039;d be willing to do so just to get that incremental profit). The case of monopsony is similar, wages will be inefficiently low because the employer would lose more money paying their existing employees higher wages than they would gain from the additional employees. Minimum wage legislation could increase total employment by raising the quantity of labor supplied, and while the employer would like to pay them even less they still bring in marginal profit. This may not be a very realistic situation, but it&#039;s theoretically possible. Walter Block discusses it &lt;a href=&quot;http://mises.org/journals/scholar/block12.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Much of his objection is related to calculations of utility, not employment per se.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The textbook problem with a monopoly is that (in the absence of price discrimination), the profit-maximizing price is well above marginal cost. That means deadweight loss, because there are people who won&#8217;t purchase an additional unit even though they&#8217;d be willing to pay more money than it costs the monopolist to produce it (and they&#8217;d be willing to do so just to get that incremental profit). The case of monopsony is similar, wages will be inefficiently low because the employer would lose more money paying their existing employees higher wages than they would gain from the additional employees. Minimum wage legislation could increase total employment by raising the quantity of labor supplied, and while the employer would like to pay them even less they still bring in marginal profit. This may not be a very realistic situation, but it&#8217;s theoretically possible. Walter Block discusses it <a href="http://mises.org/journals/scholar/block12.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Much of his objection is related to calculations of utility, not employment per se.</p>
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		<title>By: Randoms &#124; Foseti</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 20:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;this is how the neoreactionary departure from pure libertarianism has [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 14:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hold on - I&#039;m not making any of those claims, and nor do I discount the importance of marginal utility.  I am merely using a particularly visible example to illustrate some uncontroversial but unsettled related problems with accurately defining and measuring the price level.

We understand that lots of variables play a part, and that all these variables can change,  The analysis hits a variety of challenging obstacles unless we use a model that assumes a lot of things are static when in reality they can be, and are, dynamic.

The usefulness of the current &quot;basket of goods&quot; model varies according to divergence between the static assumptions and the dynamic realities.  We live in very dynamic times.  The most popular kludges are using the chaining technique, the much pilloried &quot;hedonic-improvement estimates adjustment&quot;, &quot;Purchasing Power Parity&quot;, and excluding (or proportionally discounting, or using multi-period running averages) goods with traditionally highly volatile prices from the model&#039;s basket.  Naturally, all of this is prone to abuse.

And that&#039;s assuming that the idea of a price level even makes sense - a notion which has received a good amount of fair critique for nearly a century.  Personally, I take a pragmatic approach.   Given the context and the analysis one is trying to conduct, how useful is any particular metric to make cross-period or cross-context comparisons?  There is always a trade-off between a tailored approach to the analysis, and using something like official CPI with which your audience is more familiar and the data is more accessible.  

&quot;Inflation&quot; seems to be a hybrid and something that is empirically real and socially constructed.  I would prefer people have a variety of ways to communicate about comparisons of nominal prices over time, but it seems inescapable that the mind favors assuming the existence of a single phenomenon so it can have the linguistic asset of being able to talk about many things as if they were one thing, even if it&#039;s at the expense of definiteness.

The Internet-Austrians take a schizophrenic approach - at once hyperventilating about &quot;hyperinflation&quot;, which they clearly mean to refer to the price level, yet simultaneously trying to redefine the concept away from price level and towards &quot;monetary base expansion&quot; - a base the definition and measurement of which they cannot even agree upon (they should listen to the market and use Divisia M4).

They attempt to salvage this mess by implicitly taking Friedman&#039;s Monetaristic approach and assume that the base and the price level become proportionate in the long run.  &quot;What other explanation for the price level could there be?&quot;  But it&#039;s an artificial &quot;long run&quot; that further assumes no intervening circumstances - of which there are bound to be so many that the concept falls apart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on &#8211; I&#8217;m not making any of those claims, and nor do I discount the importance of marginal utility.  I am merely using a particularly visible example to illustrate some uncontroversial but unsettled related problems with accurately defining and measuring the price level.</p>
<p>We understand that lots of variables play a part, and that all these variables can change,  The analysis hits a variety of challenging obstacles unless we use a model that assumes a lot of things are static when in reality they can be, and are, dynamic.</p>
<p>The usefulness of the current &#8220;basket of goods&#8221; model varies according to divergence between the static assumptions and the dynamic realities.  We live in very dynamic times.  The most popular kludges are using the chaining technique, the much pilloried &#8220;hedonic-improvement estimates adjustment&#8221;, &#8220;Purchasing Power Parity&#8221;, and excluding (or proportionally discounting, or using multi-period running averages) goods with traditionally highly volatile prices from the model&#8217;s basket.  Naturally, all of this is prone to abuse.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s assuming that the idea of a price level even makes sense &#8211; a notion which has received a good amount of fair critique for nearly a century.  Personally, I take a pragmatic approach.   Given the context and the analysis one is trying to conduct, how useful is any particular metric to make cross-period or cross-context comparisons?  There is always a trade-off between a tailored approach to the analysis, and using something like official CPI with which your audience is more familiar and the data is more accessible.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Inflation&#8221; seems to be a hybrid and something that is empirically real and socially constructed.  I would prefer people have a variety of ways to communicate about comparisons of nominal prices over time, but it seems inescapable that the mind favors assuming the existence of a single phenomenon so it can have the linguistic asset of being able to talk about many things as if they were one thing, even if it&#8217;s at the expense of definiteness.</p>
<p>The Internet-Austrians take a schizophrenic approach &#8211; at once hyperventilating about &#8220;hyperinflation&#8221;, which they clearly mean to refer to the price level, yet simultaneously trying to redefine the concept away from price level and towards &#8220;monetary base expansion&#8221; &#8211; a base the definition and measurement of which they cannot even agree upon (they should listen to the market and use Divisia M4).</p>
<p>They attempt to salvage this mess by implicitly taking Friedman&#8217;s Monetaristic approach and assume that the base and the price level become proportionate in the long run.  &#8220;What other explanation for the price level could there be?&#8221;  But it&#8217;s an artificial &#8220;long run&#8221; that further assumes no intervening circumstances &#8211; of which there are bound to be so many that the concept falls apart.</p>
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		<title>By: James Goulding</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 12:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article—&#039;tis true.

I would add that mainstream economists also exhibit anti-epistemology, in the sense described by Bryan Caplan &lt;a href=&quot;http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2008/09/how_would_we_kn.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem for the Austrians is that the counter-intuitive mechanisms of etatism that characterise our financial system vastly complicate economics, such that analysts cannot rely so heavily on deduction and its tiny Kolmogorov complexity. To understand central banking, and not just vanilla catallaxy, we would need its talented practitioners to tell all, &lt;i&gt;i.e.&lt;/i&gt; to audit the Fed, but of course that would be contrary to their game-theoretic interests.

A more outlandish solution would be to create a bespoke MMORPG, and then &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-21/diablo-3-case-virtual-hyperinflation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;simulate the global financial system&lt;/a&gt;, hopefully without allowing the players to catch on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article—&#8217;tis true.</p>
<p>I would add that mainstream economists also exhibit anti-epistemology, in the sense described by Bryan Caplan <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2008/09/how_would_we_kn.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>The problem for the Austrians is that the counter-intuitive mechanisms of etatism that characterise our financial system vastly complicate economics, such that analysts cannot rely so heavily on deduction and its tiny Kolmogorov complexity. To understand central banking, and not just vanilla catallaxy, we would need its talented practitioners to tell all, <i>i.e.</i> to audit the Fed, but of course that would be contrary to their game-theoretic interests.</p>
<p>A more outlandish solution would be to create a bespoke MMORPG, and then <a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-21/diablo-3-case-virtual-hyperinflation" rel="nofollow">simulate the global financial system</a>, hopefully without allowing the players to catch on.</p>
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		<title>By: vimothy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-1/#comment-4547</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree that &quot;fixing&quot; an economy requires more investment. It depends on the economy. The US economy could do with, &lt;i&gt;inter alia&lt;/i&gt;, higher private saving and a lower current account deficit. And more jobs. And less un-skilled Mexicans. I don&#039;t think that the problem is lack of investment. Other economies have other issues. In any case, we haven&#039;t discussed that here -- the question is rather, &lt;i&gt;Dude, where&#039;s my hyperinflation&lt;/i&gt;? One answer seems to be that we&#039;re actually got hyperinflation. Another answer seems to be that we&#039;re going to get hyperinflation at some point. My argument is that there&#039;s no link between the type of money created by the central bank and inflation at the zero lower bound.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that &#8220;fixing&#8221; an economy requires more investment. It depends on the economy. The US economy could do with, <i>inter alia</i>, higher private saving and a lower current account deficit. And more jobs. And less un-skilled Mexicans. I don&#8217;t think that the problem is lack of investment. Other economies have other issues. In any case, we haven&#8217;t discussed that here &#8212; the question is rather, <i>Dude, where&#8217;s my hyperinflation</i>? One answer seems to be that we&#8217;re actually got hyperinflation. Another answer seems to be that we&#8217;re going to get hyperinflation at some point. My argument is that there&#8217;s no link between the type of money created by the central bank and inflation at the zero lower bound.</p>
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