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		<title>By: AI and Capitalism &#124; The New International Outlook</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-54195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AI and Capitalism &#124; The New International Outlook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 16:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] is more ideologically focused, and is quite mad in the best sense of the word. He appears to see Capitalism as being uncontrollable, worse, he see it as alive, scratch that &#8211; he see it as alive AND [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] is more ideologically focused, and is quite mad in the best sense of the word. He appears to see Capitalism as being uncontrollable, worse, he see it as alive, scratch that &#8211; he see it as alive AND [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-51993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 08:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;insofar as our brains have been captivated, they’re freed to think species-eccentric thoughts&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Our (monkey) flesh doesn&#039;t give up without a fight, though.  As you recently commented on Bloody Shovel:

&lt;i&gt;My concerns are my children, their unborn descendants, and the cosmic escape of intelligence from the prison of idiocy.&lt;/i&gt;

If your latter concern comes to fruition, the escapee might see your first two as a dangerous COINTELPRO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>insofar as our brains have been captivated, they’re freed to think species-eccentric thoughts</p></blockquote>
<p>Our (monkey) flesh doesn&#8217;t give up without a fight, though.  As you recently commented on Bloody Shovel:</p>
<p><i>My concerns are my children, their unborn descendants, and the cosmic escape of intelligence from the prison of idiocy.</i></p>
<p>If your latter concern comes to fruition, the escapee might see your first two as a dangerous COINTELPRO.</p>
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		<title>By: Grotto</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34281</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I eagerly await the day that the Facebook/LinkedIn/Twitter/Google Research vaults are opened, and we can find out just how true this statement is.

What all this social-networking, social-media, online-gaming gaming has given us is an infinite number of status ladders to climb. The social engineers of these services realize this, and they are each trying their best to manufacture the illusion of social status, that the end-user can obtain with enough time or money spent in their social ecosystem.

As society stratifies further into the cognitive elite and the worse-than-useless masses, the cognitive elite will pacify them by letting them run virtual status hamster wheels forever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I eagerly await the day that the Facebook/LinkedIn/Twitter/Google Research vaults are opened, and we can find out just how true this statement is.</p>
<p>What all this social-networking, social-media, online-gaming gaming has given us is an infinite number of status ladders to climb. The social engineers of these services realize this, and they are each trying their best to manufacture the illusion of social status, that the end-user can obtain with enough time or money spent in their social ecosystem.</p>
<p>As society stratifies further into the cognitive elite and the worse-than-useless masses, the cognitive elite will pacify them by letting them run virtual status hamster wheels forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Handle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam Harris&#039; &#039;moral landscape&#039; plan is basically just consequentialist empirical utilitarianism, and thus subject to the same arguments that have been made against utilitarianism since the beginning.  That&#039;s what I expect the &#039;winning&#039; essay in his contest to say.  Whenever you try to &#039;optimize for any X&#039;, then X can always be taken to some absurd or nightmarish extreme without the moderation and reasonable push-back from some competing value.  There no way to avoid this.  

Except, perhaps, if you can come up with a good definition for &#039;optimize for pragmatism and a moderating reasonableness in values which check and balance each other&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Harris&#8217; &#8216;moral landscape&#8217; plan is basically just consequentialist empirical utilitarianism, and thus subject to the same arguments that have been made against utilitarianism since the beginning.  That&#8217;s what I expect the &#8216;winning&#8217; essay in his contest to say.  Whenever you try to &#8216;optimize for any X&#8217;, then X can always be taken to some absurd or nightmarish extreme without the moderation and reasonable push-back from some competing value.  There no way to avoid this.  </p>
<p>Except, perhaps, if you can come up with a good definition for &#8216;optimize for pragmatism and a moderating reasonableness in values which check and balance each other&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Igitur</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Igitur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@admin

Catallaxy is an &quot;equilibrium concept&quot;, not an &quot;adjustment equation&quot;, man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin</p>
<p>Catallaxy is an &#8220;equilibrium concept&#8221;, not an &#8220;adjustment equation&#8221;, man.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sporting of it to let us know what it&#039;s up to.  (Though revelation of the method is a risky strategy.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sporting of it to let us know what it&#8217;s up to.  (Though revelation of the method is a risky strategy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thos Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thos Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Who, Whom&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who, Whom&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@rufio127 asked me something very similar. My knee-jerk response is Austrian, and so unconditionally negative, but something more intricate is probably called for. For me, that&#039;s swimming against a strong tide. Doesn&#039;t socialist organization suppress catallaxy, which is the capitalist social dynamic in its essence? I&#039;m not sure where to look for wriggle room.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rufio127 asked me something very similar. My knee-jerk response is Austrian, and so unconditionally negative, but something more intricate is probably called for. For me, that&#8217;s swimming against a strong tide. Doesn&#8217;t socialist organization suppress catallaxy, which is the capitalist social dynamic in its essence? I&#8217;m not sure where to look for wriggle room.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guénon is little more than a name to me as yet, but this cluster of ideas is extremely intriguing. It adds some weight to Evola&#039;s description of capitalism as &#039;demonic&#039;. 

(I have some considerable skepticism viz the idea of a &quot;personal Outside&quot; btw -- surely impersonality has an inherently greater affinity with Outsideness? The Buddhistic cascade of cosmic intelligences downwards from the well-spring of the impersonal makes far more intuitive sense to me than the Occidental-Theological alternative (even if Gnon does not judge between them))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guénon is little more than a name to me as yet, but this cluster of ideas is extremely intriguing. It adds some weight to Evola&#8217;s description of capitalism as &#8216;demonic&#8217;. </p>
<p>(I have some considerable skepticism viz the idea of a &#8220;personal Outside&#8221; btw &#8212; surely impersonality has an inherently greater affinity with Outsideness? The Buddhistic cascade of cosmic intelligences downwards from the well-spring of the impersonal makes far more intuitive sense to me than the Occidental-Theological alternative (even if Gnon does not judge between them))</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/romantic-delusion/#comment-34261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spandrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Utilitarianism may be unsound, but that doesn&#039;t stop people from pursuing short term pleasure, and Capitalism goes on mobilizing resources towards its ultimate maximization, i.e. Soma-fueled Oculus Rift trips of unending orgasmitzation, complete with auto-tweeting of in-fantasy Achievements to all your (equally Soma-tripped)  Social Network.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utilitarianism may be unsound, but that doesn&#8217;t stop people from pursuing short term pleasure, and Capitalism goes on mobilizing resources towards its ultimate maximization, i.e. Soma-fueled Oculus Rift trips of unending orgasmitzation, complete with auto-tweeting of in-fantasy Achievements to all your (equally Soma-tripped)  Social Network.</p>
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