Rule Britannia

This blog has zero confidence in ethno-nationalist street-fighting to achieve anything beyond an even more deeply vulgarized demotism, as inchoate mob impulses erupt under demagogic direction. So we consider the ‘decision‘ by Tommy Robinson to step back from the hooligan counter-barbarism of the EDL to be a defeat only for those who misguidedly think crypto-fascist politics might have the key to the out-house, along with those who find a crypto-fascist enemy convenient.

Politics in the streets is the primary indication of de-civilization in the modern age, and nothing could ever make it worthy of ultra-right support. Since street politics can occur only under government sanction — which is to say in the absence of grape-shot — any claim it might make to oppositional authenticity is wholly bogus. A right-wing riot is an absurdity.

The story here has a genuinely important angle, however. Robinson’s conversion to “better, democratic ideas” followed upon a carefully-crafted diplomatic exercise by Britain’s state broadcaster, which arranged for him to meet with Muslim ‘representatives’ — under the supervision of the Quilliam Foundation — in order to learn how nice and reasonable they are.

In other words, the BBC seems to have acknowledged its responsibility as the country’s effective government to directly settle the few remaining awkward ideological misalignments among the people. Neoreactionaries have learned that any democratic regime is really governed by its least democratic elements, and the more fanatical its democratization, the less democracy has to do with its rule. As with any Popular Protectorate under advanced democratic conditions, therefore, elections for the governing BBC Trust are not under consideration — because democracy is too important to throw like chum amongst the people (except of course in Hong Kong).

(Thanks to ZD for the pointer.)

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  • Alrenous Says:

    Mostly off topic.

    Moldbug wanted to make left-right map to anti-nomian and nomian. Today I saw someone call communists and fascists opposite sides of the political spectrum, and my new, enlightened response is a snort of derision. It’s like calling two brothers who fight ‘opposite sides of the genetic spectrum.’ (And saying that when the scrawny one loses, it is proof of the other one’s philosophical superiority.) It’s hard for me to buy left and right as actual things that matter.

    But I think I can accept a right-wing riot as an absurdity. Then, I can derive what I can accept as a meaning of right as opposed to left.

    Left is demotist, and right is anti-demotist. If a right riot is an absurdity, then it must be because the right opposes the will of the people, and that will cannot express its own opposition.

    This matches nicely with the idea of there being one left and many rights.

    It also matches nicely with Republicans and their fellow travelers as impotent absurdities. What idiot elects an anti-election party? (Well, more than once.) Every Republican victory can only underwrite the principles of their opponents.

    Next, to imagine a rightist street demonstration that wasn’t absurd. Start with all men, walking in rank and file, all in tuxedos. They can’t make demands, as they either lose or have them accepted. So what do they do? Pure denouncement? Maybe they just invite others to join in – for the next one, natch, since they need a tux.

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    admin Reply:

    Lots of great stuff here (and not OT at all).

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    Thales Reply:

    But Progs can wear tuxes, too. How do they protect against Entryists?

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Poe’s law. Don’t go all big tent on your idiots and you’ll catch the subversives.

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    Thales Reply:

    Agreed, but who will catch them? It still seems like you need a leadership council safely under the Dunbar number to do the catching…

    Alrenous Reply:

    The peasants don’t do anything without a leader in any case. The question is whether the leader(s) is/are furtive or intentional. (Not exact opposites, but exclusive enough.)

    Reactionaries endorse intentional leadership. With intentional leadership, you can define an obedience/responsibility dyad. These lead to making the expulsion of idiots easy and straightforward.

    Nick mentions demogogic direction above. I’d obviously call these furtive. The point is to get obedience without the cost of responsibility, even informal responsibility.

    Grotto Reply:

    A rightist street demonstration? Hmm…

    Perhaps a demonstration of the good, the beautiful. An exhibition. A classical ballet, with an orchestra. Christmas carols. A silent observation of Good Friday, or Ash Wednesday.

    The left cannot stand a rightest demonstration that contradicts its house of cards. This is why no all male-institution cannot be allowed to exist anywhere…it might succeed. The rightist demonstration, therefore, can simply be whatever the Left fears. Four well-dressed, well-behaved children addressing their parents as “sir” and “ma’am” in public will do just fine.

    For a particularly American example, just look at Tim Tebow, the star college quarterback. He received the concentrated hatred of the Left, and the adoration of the low-American-church, for simply being a humble, decent young man who prayed before games and thanked Jesus for his victories. Oh, and he’s still a virgin. The left has waited for half-a-decade to find fault with this man, and he has frustrated them completely. When he was recently fired by the New England Patriots, the Left took to the airwaves to mock him, wondering if he should have “prayed harder to Jesus.” Tebow, by contrast, was completely gracious with the Patriots management. By all accounts, he is is of merely average intelligence, but he is quite consciously pursuing a career of rightist demonstration by example.

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    Thales Reply:

    Hear, hear!

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Hear hear indeed.

    A big fan of the creative theme. The standard street demonstration is about demands and destruction. Let the rightist street demonstration be the opposite of both of those things.

    Ironically, the white flash mob seems to be an outgrowth of Brahmins, yet is 9/10th of the way to a proper rightist demonstration. Thoughts?

    However, a proper rightist demonstration (not protest) is antinomian. The proggies are in power, and want to suppress it, and will find pseudo-legal excuses to do so. Even if the demonstration abides by the Steel Rule. Not making an argument here, just mentioning an inevitable feature.

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    I don’t think I agree with either you or the author on the impossibility of a rightist demonstration. But if you want to run with your theme, the equivalent of a rightist demonstration is obviously a revolt. A group that is sufficiently armed and organized that its existence is meant to demonstrate not the acquiescence of the authorities, but their powerlessness.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    First problem: the authorities are not, as a matter of fact, powerless.

    Second: revolt is the wrong word. Does a man dominated by a shrew revolt? Or does he simply pick up the fallen reigns of power? Simply stop refusing to assert his natural dominance?

    Third: a military coup is not at all like a demonstration.

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    Puzzle Pirate (@PuzzlePirate) Reply:

    What does the Right stand for?

    Truth & Beauty

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Progressives say the same thing. Not as a first option, perhaps, but how much does that count for with you?

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    Steve Johnson Reply:

    No they don’t.

    They can’t even use the word “beautiful” without putting “conventionally understood” or some nonsense in front of it.

    Truth? Yeah, that’s another no-go word.

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  • Mark Warburton Says:

    It is/was a strange social movement. They attempted to create Jewish and LBGT divisions during their peak. Plenty of ‘brass eye’ like parody moments. I know someone (indirectly) who was in the EDL. It appeared this really was just football hooliganism repacked – led by a few slightly more ‘with it’ people. The lengths the group went to declare they were anti-racist was bizarre. Bringing in ‘brown people’ to play on the ignorance of the mob. “Oi, even the muzzies are on our side!” (they were really Hindus and Sikhs with a bone to pick). Not to mention the comical event of a ritual burning of balaclavas and nazi flags.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaZCaWH96xw This pretty much sums up the average EDL supporter.

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    admin Reply:

    Seems like a waste of energy, when anybody could have told them crypto-fascism is about mass trouble-making in the streets (of a kind that isn’t overtly communist or ‘idealistic’).

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    Mark Warburton Reply:

    Damn right, Nick. You haven’t even dealt with the remix, too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5VDbu-HLMs

    I know. A bad beat. Muslim ray guns.

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  • Grotto Says:

    I agree that the EDL, as a self-contained political entity, is a complete dead-end.

    But they have had a political impact. They redefined the “right-edge” (as conventionally understood) of British politics, making UKIP appear rather moderate and palatable by contrast. The various shrikes at the BBC would be branding UKIP as neo-nazis, if that label weren’t already occupied by the EDL. Of course, both UKIP and the EDL are contradictory messes when it comes to race realism – it isn’t possible to coherently argue for reduced immigration or a defense of native English while also claiming the black-slate fungibility of humanity. But at least they are moving the needle right-ward, and there is a very real possibilty the UK will at least escape the EU, a Cathedral institution par excellence.

    Thinking further ahead, could the EDL serve as useful shock-troops in some sort of reactionary restoration? Certainly the left doesn’t hesitate to flood countries with virulently anti-gay, anti-feminist third-worlders, as long as they stay in economic bondage to the Cathedral.

    Any sort of real challenge to the Cathedral would have to find some productive way to incorporate the hot-blooded intemperance of disaffected white males. As American rednecks are allegedly fond of saying, “give me a gun and point me in the right direction.”

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    Mark Warburton Reply:

    No no and……….. no

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  • Alex Says:

    Fings ain’t wot they used to be …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URkVjGIL29w

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  • Michael Says:

    well if moldbug says it its gospel

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  • Michael Says:

    So we are up against this Cathedral that controls everything from Head start to research grants, The Times to twitter, UN IMF and BIS to Red Cross and ACORN, all civil servants and Unions throughout the world including EU NSA IRS POTUS, All Art and Media Entertainment serves as a Ministry of Propaganda,The Capitalist and Business classes have Capitulated or drunk the KoolAid, The conservative parties are actually a diversion tactic for the Proles or Helots or something that are too stupid to know what to fight.Even if we could push a button and transform ourselves into a pure Libertarian, Classical liberal or Christian Society We would soon find ourselves back here because they are all inherently leftist. In fact the DNA of Whites seems to be inherently leftist.This is happening in all western Homelands and the Anglosphere , so this exit strategy seems a waste of time, sea or space steading is simply ludicrous, as is secession.
    But taking it to the streets where the majority of whites are already right leaning and very unhappy and the only thing feeding the Cathedral ; is futile , because mencious moldbug declared it so?Have you guys ever seen video of mencious ? Yes hes clever ,whatever blogging till the mud people haul me away from computer seem pretty stupid to me.A lot could be done with the street, new media, guerrilla tactics,False flags infiltration etc
    Buying a country like Uruguay or Russia seems a much better idea if enough wealthy and intelligent Atlas’ can be found to purchase and arm it militarily and economically to withstand the Cathedral.

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    admin Reply:

    Any politics tolerant of street mobs is part of the problem. As to the other ideas — plenty there to think through and experiment with.

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    Kevin C. Reply:

    “plenty there to think through and experiment with.”

    Not really. Where and how would “experimenting” take place? The Cathedral prevents any such experiments. And besides, none of Michael’s ideas are workable.

    New media: What’s the internet and social networking done so far, besides help get Obama elected, providing another source of panem et circenses distractions, reinforcing Cathedral memes on Facebook, and, perhaps most importantly, reinforcing demotic ideas of “everyone gets their say”, popularity=truth, and voice over exit?

    False flags: Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist, and yet the general consesus is that JFK’s death was the fault of the Right. Recall also Dorner, Lanza, etc. If genuine left-wing attacks can be spun as the fault of right-wingers, then so can fake ones. And besides, a false flag attack can, at best, only serve to make common folk less happy with the Cathedral, but their unhappiness is irrelevant; you can’t beat demotism with demotism.

    Infiltration/entryism: The Cathedral came to power via entryism. Leftists practiced it against one another. Thus, they’re very good at detecting it. Further, note how the latest Cathedral doctrine is always shifting, and individual lefties are always being excoriated for insufficient leftism when they fail to keep up. If true believers have difficulty holding all the continually-shifting doctrine in their heads, then how can someone who doesn’t really believe keep it straight. Also, the flow from belief to words and actions isn’t one way; there’s a reason “fake it ’til you make it” works. Repeat something enough, and you’ll generally start coming to believe it. The only people who can tell repeated lies time and again while holding separate secret beliefs intact are those with sociopathic tendencies, and since such folks act on self-interest, they’re better off obtaining power through the Cathedral, rather than fighting it. And, even if one did manage to infiltrate into positions of some power, the distributed, self-reinforcing nature of the Cathedral — where anyone, no matter how powerful their position, can be and is expelled for simply not moving leftword fast enough — means that the infiltrators will be unable to even slow the Cathedral, let alone shift it toward neoreactionary goals; they will be expelled from power the moment they try. In short; infiltrating the Left is nigh-impossible, the only people who can do so are already working for the Cathedral, and it’s distributed nature means there are no capturable power centers through which entryists could shift it.

    Buying a country: unfortunately, “enough wealthy and intelligent Atlas’” do not exist to buy a significant country; and even if they did, upon doing so, they would be immediately proclaimed enemy by the Cathedral, who will intervene militarily to “restore democracy”. And as for arming it “militarily and economically to withstand the Cathedral,” that is totally impossible. It cannot, repeat cannot be done.

    Michael is right, though, in that meaningful exit (secession, seasteading, space, etc.) is absurd, impossible, and will not happen. Besides Michael’s point on the inherent universalism of too much of the white population (reference the works of HBD Chick), there is also the point Handle made in this comment at Nydwracu’s transcription of Balaji Srinivasan’s words on Silicon Valley (technological) exit.

    Of course, I agree strongly in principle with a competitive market for governance. But I’d submit that some forms of technological exit are easier than others. At the end of the day, unless Silicon Valley can threaten PaperGov with something equivalent to overwhelming military force, then if any form of exit becomes problematic, PaperGov will go as coercively kinetic as it has to in order to stop it.

    And later, in reply to a commenter who says “bring it on” to “coercively kinetic” goverment:

    Too optimistic for two reasons. 1. Masses can ‘understand’ something, 2. And that understanding has actual implications (vs something that can be manipulated), and 3. The government, faced with a choice between ‘monster’ and ‘impotent and rapid collapse’ chooses the latter.

    Did it ever stop any long-lived totalitarian nation. CCP still rules the roost.

    The government will say that of course it abhors the (minimized, narrowly tailored, carefully vetted and adjudicated) violence that conducts on the people’s behalf, but alas, it is necessary in order to protect your children from terrorist pederasts. And people will believe it.

    Indeed, people will believe it.

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    Michael Reply:

    “New media: What’s the internet and social networking done so far”- well they have decentralized disrupted the news and most importantly made it dirt cheap. you do not need printing plants, staffs of thousands worldwide, teamster truck contracts and distribution networks to go head to head with the Grey Lady Drudge, Breitbart, etc have proved that.Its a medium that allows distributors readers viewers to go as deep as they want embed video link to government statistics and other sources tp publish anonymously to be paid without ad revenue, to be able to shared along hundreds of social tentacles.Does an old guy that types with two fingers really need to explain this to you hackers.Yeah sure the left is more popular and attracts the young and is ahead in this but it needn’t be so.What I would be doing is making sure the internet stays free that government statistics continue to be collected and distributed that hate speech laws fail in public perception – Honestly I dont want to discuss publicly much of what could be done but I have anticipated all your objections and still think much could be done. I will expand a bit, but repeat what I said months back. An organization needs to be formed that doesn’t work in public.

    “Left-wing attacks can be spun as the fault of right-wingers, then so can fake ones. And besides, a false flag attack can, at best, only serve to make common folk less happy with the Cathedral” WE have had some wins without even trying and by false flags I include all sort of black- opps street theatre propaganda, etc The 60s radicals were very good at this and it worked well rules for radicals will work much better for us now that they are demonstrably The Man. Again they are currently better at it but that doesn’t have to be can you not see they are hamstrung by hipocracy and we are judging our ability before even trying this kid that took down ACORN and almost defunded PBS was a good example of whats possible if you only have the faith- are we the master race that built this fucking world or not, we built the Cathedral and we can take it down believe me.

    “Infiltration/entryism: The Cathedral came to power via entryism. Leftists practiced it against one another. Thus, they’re very good at detecting it.”
    I disagree much can be done, look no single tactic will win the war but every bit helps. Theres all sorts of entryism infiltration. The Cathedral needs for now the illusion of plurality and so must let in the straw men to the public square so they can deride them. But used judiciously and tactically they can co ordinate a defense of someone like Richwine or Watson, they can if like certain pundits with minority status can get away with saying things on primetime others cant. formations like oathkeepers and even the tea party are helpful, but infiltration is more like a mole im sure snowden was no Dark Knight but hes a good example of how their conflicting loyalties hamstring them, Every day I read a new NSA story its looking like we might actually make some of their snooping explicitly illegal again, Thats a gain. now imagine moles all over the Cathedral embarrassing them paralyzing them with fear. Outreach education imagine slowly writing the germination of Dark thought for the hipster crowd its already happening right here. Look if you guys understand the implications of all your quantitative analysis you get this is an existential threat and there’s no where to exit to, at some point having people inside is going to mean life or death even if they cant do more than leak.
    “Buying a country: unfortunately, “enough wealthy and intelligent Atlas’” do not exist to buy a significant country; and even if they did, upon doing so, they would be immediately proclaimed enemy by the Cathedral, who will intervene militarily”

    I think that tech guys talk on exit was important. the beta nerd quant hipsters are feeling crowded having to ignore reality having to code back doors for the NSA, The disconnect between your Marxist prof telling you to fight the man and the man being a black man is cracking the meme, and the technology is racing against a server farm in Utah for freedom ironically the same guys are building both. hes right the Cathedral may likely prevent exit but its going to be a hard sell to simultaneously be open borders and no exit the thing is to anticipate the rhetorical lines in advance and advance the dialogue in such a way their retreat is cut off. Im a child of the sixties what I remember most was the meme freedom. The Cathedral is at the point in the con where they give the mark the blow off and explain he cant have his freedom its not going to go well on these smart kids.
    You don’t have to have Aircraft Carrier groups to keep the Cathedral at bay look around the world, there all sorts of low cost military options its really hard for them to just start bombing someone. You needn’t buy the country just bribe a few ministers, propositional societies are going to emerge you find a small broke country or part of a country like Uruguay and offer to bring in ten or a hundred thousand high IQ individuals with the technology that runs the world in exchange for a few simple amendments to its constitution regarding say immigration and taxes, A guy like Putin has the power to re order Russia if convinced he ends up a real power in the world. The technology may even make a centralized country unnecessary
    3. The government, faced with a choice between ‘monster’ and ‘impotent and rapid collapse’ chooses the latter. Actually they didnt they let themselves be eaten alive by the cannibals and Marxists rather than be seen as unsporting, ans we must not make the same mistake.Maybe you hipsters have no children but I intend to protect my DNA by any means necessary. Twenty years ago I exited to a homestead I built in the rocky mountains powered it with hydro electric system hydrogen electrolyzer and still for planted Jerusalem artichokes for alcohol fuel its self sustainable stocked up and kept a foothold in NYC But I see now its not safe no where is.simply because it physically distanced to Cathedral Authority. The year I moved up there the ATF and FBI shot my neighbors wife through the head while nursing her baby because he wouldn’t set up a local race realist. One thing I noted though it brought the left and right together. George Washington understood this too he neednt beat the Cathedral only stay in the field till they beat themselves. They are a blind monster even with their drones tethered to server farms they cant see whats not in their vocabulary, they move and think slow but we now have tools that can move faster than they can form responses.
    But what is it we want I read talk of monarchy and fascism HMMM I get Peter Theils and Moldbugs pessimism but we already have fascism and monarchy and frankly they are trying to manage a world teeming with idiots as they think best. What exactly are we proposing to do differently? Are we simply going to be more efficient, less egalitarian, I am fine with that I suspect many of you havnt thought through this sophistry.

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  • admin Says:

    No one has any loathing for Chris Patten they’d care to share?

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  • VXXC Says:

    Wrong. Dead Wrong.

    Even a bug has the right of self defense. Regardless of Moldbug.

    “An unusually frigid gust of cynical realism from Walter Russell Mead: ” — who was talking about…mmm…what exactly? And who?

    Why except for their entanglement with USG is Germany so successful, despite the odds? Even socialism can work there, as it can in Scandinavia. Why? Because they don’t have a government that Hates The People.

    America and apparently England DO.

    The people are under no obligation to any contract with their betters at this point. Because they aren’t their betters, they’re far worse. We might be better with the Dark Ages, if we were running it. No.Writing.

    Buggy has an aversion to violence because he’s justly afraid where it will lead. Unnecessarily in my opinion. But he’s probably right.

    Self-Defense and Street Justice are when the Wisdom of Crowds apply.

    Mind you if they had actual Tribunes….?

    But the Tribunes would have to risk .

    If one thinks the fighting is being done by fools…that means the Thinking _______.

    Look down the nose at them then. They are being Men. Or they were until their leadership caved. As the conditions that led to EDL worsen, the necessity will continue to invent.

    This is some version of the ending, and how it begins. The idea that the best idea wins is destroyed utterly by any random chapter of Human History.

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    Kevin C. Reply:

    “Even a bug has the right of self defense.”

    It’s not about “right”, it’s about ability. A bug’s “right” to self defense won’t do one bit to keep it from getting squished

    “Buggy has an aversion to violence because he’s justly afraid where it will lead.”

    As should we all, shich the only place violence (on the part of opponents of the Cathedral) will lead is to the Cathedral killing us all.

    “The idea that the best idea wins is destroyed utterly by any random chapter of Human History.”

    Indeed, it is not the best idea, but the most persuasive idea, the most infectious meme, that wins. And right now, there is no memeplex more infectious of minds, and more incapable of being dislodged from the brains of those infected, than those of the Cathedral, which may very well be the ultimate mind virus.

    {And, just as an aside, what’s with all the word salad about irrelevandt Roman titles?}

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    Kevin C. Reply:

    *should be “irrelevant” instead of “irrelevandt”.

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    admin Reply:

    ‘Self-defense’ and ‘street protest’ should not be confused. They share almost nothing (and nothing significant).

    Understood with minimal clarity — Street protest is begging.

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    Michael Reply:

    no i would say street protest is threatening. its telling the powers that we are not taking it and asking if they think they have enough police / troops to take us all on. Often they do, but done correctly this leads to more people in the street and so on.Its healthy for a government to be reminded they operate at the pleasure of the people.Whats going on in Europe is so counter to the wishes of the people that its signaling to the Cathedral they can do absolutely anything to the population with impunity.The fact that even the majority have been brainwashed into guilt about race realism does not mean they don’t actually know its bullshit just that they feel guilty about feeling that way and wish someone would make the ugly choices for them while they assuage their consciences protesting racism.

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    Puzzle Pirate (@PuzzlePirate) Reply:

    “Buggy has an aversion to violence because he’s justly afraid where it will lead. Unnecessarily in my opinion. But he’s probably right.”

    Neoractionaries talking about violence will attract the wrong kind of people.

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  • VXXC Says:

    Explicitly: You have no right of self defense.

    A Gentleman does not defend himself.

    Only an idiot uses violence – although it’s being used against him.

    We stand for Truth and Beauty. Not violence, even in their defense. Mind you the line on both Truth and Beauty goes round a Tijuana corner, both are looking a bit haggard and played out.

    For these are superior genes, and will not stoop to punch.

    Well.

    Well, we know DEC is worried about the Lowbrows. So do hang the rules above on the door.
    I would expect only the most rarefied and rare of company.

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  • Michael Says:

    well I made my donations to EDL and Generation Identitarre even got the sweatshirt. Delicious fun running around Manhattan in reactionwear undetected.If Marie le Pen becomes the french Premier I will think it a improvement and congratulate myself.
    I understand reaction is for order But some disorders are preferable to some orders. That aside I don’t even think moldbugs assertion that revolution must be sanctioned by the state could withstand even a cursory review of history. And while I am not saying its The Answer I am irked by the lack of any suggestions from the dark knights- starting to think ive fallen in with some beta thirty something hipsters;Namby Pamby?.
    The race realism/immigration is the greatest threat. Socialism will inevitably collapse, Street fighting men I think are an excellent deterrent to mass immigration, Particularly a type that routinely rapes are children and women.. these thugs as you call them are doing what every beta wants to do but is afraid. When i unhesitatingly use my size 16 boot to push a sleeping mudprole to the floor on the subway so I can sit . They all hide their smiles. They are waiting for a leader.We go on and on about HBD and ignore there are powerful genetic forces too that will work for us..Yes its scary how that could be misused, been telling my liberal friends for decades a fascist backlash will ensue if they keep pushing unnatural agendas.We also dont have much longer, The servers in Utah the mind altering viruses bail ins drones amnesty’s etc may soon make resistance futile.

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    Puzzle Pirate (@PuzzlePirate) Reply:

    “That aside I don’t even think moldbugs assertion that revolution must be sanctioned by the state could withstand even a cursory review of history. And while I am not saying its The Answer I am irked by the lack of any suggestions from the dark knights- starting to think ive fallen in with some beta thirty something hipsters;Namby Pamby?.”

    Let me repeat: talking about violence will attract the WRONG kind of people.

    You’ll say “but, but we need to defend ourselves.”

    I own a shotgun, a rifle and a pistol. But *talking about violence will attract the wrong kind of people.*

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    Michael Reply:

    Im not suggesting “we” talk about it, Frankly I think we already are too loose on what ideas can be attributed to Blogs like this. Im suggesting its a tool to be used st arms length. OF COURSE we dont want the lads at stormfront chasing away the critical mass we need to attract, but if you can not see hoe Generation Identitaire can be useful you have no imagination.

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  • VXXC Says:

    “Street protest is begging”

    I agree.

    The wrong kind of people. Are rather busy watching..everyone. But I agree. Don’t talk about it. One might merely point out that passivity taken to extremes, it’s a formula for slavery and suicide. And autogenocide. enough of passive. It wears. It wears out the judgment and patience. We are passive to the point where beloved truth and beauty have a train on them 24 x7, the line goes around a Tijuana corner.

    Certain things you talk around. A Gentleman could also issue a disclaimer. He needed go overboard in the disclaimer. Talking around is proven practice.

    Moldbug has done the world an invaluable service. He got us thinking again, possibly for the first time in a century. He applied Machiavellian analysis to our politics, asked us to apply Cui Bono, and the lights came on.

    As to the Bug getting squashed – I have yet to crush an actual bug that didn’t fight.

    A man would be wise to pick his ground. Time proven. Utopia – nowhere – is not that ground.

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  • VXXC Says:

    Street fighting by EDL and Gen Ind in France didn’t accomplish anything.

    I doubt it.

    Another word on being squashed – umm…stop smoking so much. Really. you are missing out. They’re pussies. And they can’t muster their [gag] troops anymore, or there would have for instance been mass rioting after Zimmerman.

    That’s their troops.

    They can’t trust the Constable, and even ordering the soliders to do it would be tantamount to Cathedral suicide. If it didn’t happen immediately, it would be certain soon enough. That’s the kind of trick they can maybe pull once.

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    Kevin C. Reply:

    First, I do not, and never have, smoked, tobacco or otherwise. And that’s quite the comment from someone who cannot make a simple point clearly and consisely in grammatical and properly capitalized English, but must instead obliquely embed it in a mass of opaque verbiage. (I mean, seriously, is English not your first language?)

    Secondly, don’t confuse a preference for indirect tactics over direct confrontation with weakness. To quote Sun Tzu, “All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.” And also, “For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.” The dagger in the back is often more deadly than the sword at the front, and the Cathedral’s skill with methods of guile are a form of strength, not a sign of weakness.

    As to the military, why do they tolerate the forced integration of women and gays, the sexual harrasment seminars/lectures, TOEs written by lawyers, and all the other cr*p DC foists upon them if not that they believe that these, however odious, are lawful orders from legitimate authority which they are oathbound to obey? After all, if, as you have said before, they take their oaths to defend the constitution seriously, then they must believe our government to be constitutional (at least by the modern, public school taught definition of constitutional, meaning whatever four or more Supreme Court Justices say, no matter how little it resembles the long-dead text of the written document), otherwise they would have removed it.

    Thus, with the media proclaiming in a single voice that “those people are all Timothy McVeigh/David Koresh pedophile/Christian Taliban/crazy militia/domestic terrorists”, and their lawful superiors, who they are bound by oath and training to obey, tell them that “those people are domestic enemies of the Constitution”, a few might disobey orders to suppress the “violent terrorists” and “enemies of freedom and democracy” (upon which they will be locked up or shot for mutiny), but the bulk will do as they are trained and follow their orders. While it might be a bit difficult to shoot fellow Americans (even if every voice you hear is telling you that they are no longer Americans) up close, it’s much easier to drop bombs from 20,000 feet, launch cruise missiles from miles away, or sit behind a screen controlling a Predator drone like playing the latest GTA game. Remember, our recent wars have been fought half-heartedly because our government, or at least large parts of it, do not want us to win. When DC wants to win, it doesn’t look like Baghdad or Kandahar, but like Savannah, Dresden, Tokyo… or Hiroshima.

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    Michael Reply:

    well the soldiers submit to anti christian, male white etc re education seminars not so much because they think it legitimate but because like you they fear disorder and the loss of personal privilege. Sure some may fire on citizens particularly the gays and women if they are told they are mean racists. But George Washington understood the logistics of marshaling a Cathedrals army will eventually enrage the populace, that provoking armies to commit atrocities is always easy and eventually the army is on its own in a guerrilla war the Cathedral knows it cant win this type of war and wont start or allow itself to be provoked if it can help it.It also cant let challenges go unanswered so its hamstrung yet again. As soon as they kick in the door of some ranch and shoot another Vickie Weaver while being you tubed they cost themselves a hundred billion, what is the international community doing while this is going on- sure they are incentivized to come down like a ton of bricks and get out but what if someone already thought things through and has a counter idea? We built the Cathedral we can take it down -Its old technology

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  • Dean Says:

    “When i unhesitatingly use my size 16 boot to push a sleeping mudprole to the floor on the subway so I can sit . They all hide their smiles. They are waiting for a leader.We go on and on about HBD and ignore there are powerful genetic forces too that will work for us.”

    It’s true, people respect violence. But they respect honor and valor in violence. It’d be one thing to challenge healthy, awake males on the subway to physical confrontation and violence, but pushing aside incapacitated homeless men without challenging alert, healthy males doesn’t send the signal you think it does to people’s limbic systems. It says to people’s limbic systems that you’re a coward or dishonorable. And this ends up confirming in people’s minds the propaganda they’re fed that white, heterosexual males are dishonorable, cowardly, etc. This is where the Left is far more cognizant of powerful biological forces than we normally give them credit for.

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    Michael Reply:

    @Dean
    You probably don’t travel NYC subways but no more homeless its black youth thrown out of home temporarily by the welfare baby mamas and yeah one day one of them will kill me in the meantime I will live with dignity that I didn’t stand while some punk who thinks everyone is too scared to stand up to him sprawls over five seats. It helps im big but the reality is im old and broken down and wont win a prolonged attack with a youth, but Ide rather die than stand. And im sorry to see you dont get that.

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  • John Hannon Says:

    “my size 16 boot”
    Hell, that’s verging on circus clown size.
    Some “powerful genetic forces” must have been at work here.

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    Michael Reply:

    im spitting in my 23 and me cup this weekend

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  • Michael Says:

    @VXXC

    I suppose it must be true since you all agree he inspired you guys but I dont find moldbug that original. erudite, amusing, yes. But I find it hard to believe before 2007 I was the only person thinking these things. And I dont think I thought this way all on my own. I really dont think one needs to go back to Evola and Carlye to find “reactionary” thinking.You guys like to snark but Ayn Rand,Orwell,Huxley, EO Wilson Murry , Tom Wolf or just taking the Saints of the left literally was all one needed

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  • VXXC Says:

    Perhaps.

    I never like Libertarian politics. Makes me paranoid. I keep thinking there’s this giant stone church
    that wants to take my medicinal herbs away. They are watching everything, they know everything. All I want is my medicine, and a life of Truth and Beauty.

    It also fills me with a strange desire to explain the joke. Always bad form.

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