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		<title>By: E.Antony Gray (RiverC)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/scrap-note-9/#comment-37877</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 01:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that Lovecraft was an actual starving artist of course - probably of the stock of &#039;true&#039; bohemians - the King&#039;s Jester&#039;s children all the way down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that Lovecraft was an actual starving artist of course &#8211; probably of the stock of &#8216;true&#8217; bohemians &#8211; the King&#8217;s Jester&#8217;s children all the way down.</p>
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		<title>By: E.Antony Gray (RiverC)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/scrap-note-9/#comment-37876</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 01:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not at all. Fan fiction is notoriously autopoeisis; the projection of one&#039;s self into another form. Arguably what bothers people about the &#039;Mary Sue&#039; is really just that it is autopoeisis; it is not a genuine &lt;em&gt;facturam&lt;/em&gt;, a thing which bears one&#039;s imprint but is nonetheless &#039;other&#039;. 

The think that marks a genuinely good fiction versus hack fiction is precisely this, and not everyone &lt;em&gt;really even cares&lt;/em&gt;. But for hyperstition I think you will need to figure out how to branch out beyond your projections, a difficult task. 

For one, I think it does help to start with writing what is autopoeisis, but God help you if you publish it and people like it, because you will be doomed. For my part, the poetry which works best came &#039;from somewhere else&#039;. Yeats accounted that some of his poems came from dreams (such as &#039;The Cap And Bells&#039;) and as a highly vivid dreamer, I find that I remember a lot and sometimes cannot &#039;shake&#039; a dream until I write it into a poem.

Lovecraft is interesting in this regard because &lt;strong&gt;Weird Tales&lt;/strong&gt; was more or less a hack fiction rag, &lt;em&gt;but yet&lt;/em&gt; out of it came very good low brow but nonetheless genuine fiction. That Lovecraft and Howard are getting their acclaim now is typical (look up our friend J.S.Bach) and considering they were &#039;hard workers&#039; and not academic &#039;starving artistes&#039; writing stories about everyone&#039;s secret desire to fornicate, they were quite overlooked.

Would that we could re-create that &lt;em&gt;hermetic formula&lt;/em&gt; that turned the lead of &#039;pulp&#039; in the gold of &#039;literature&#039; - perhaps I would throw my hat in that ring too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not at all. Fan fiction is notoriously autopoeisis; the projection of one&#8217;s self into another form. Arguably what bothers people about the &#8216;Mary Sue&#8217; is really just that it is autopoeisis; it is not a genuine <em>facturam</em>, a thing which bears one&#8217;s imprint but is nonetheless &#8216;other&#8217;. </p>
<p>The think that marks a genuinely good fiction versus hack fiction is precisely this, and not everyone <em>really even cares</em>. But for hyperstition I think you will need to figure out how to branch out beyond your projections, a difficult task. </p>
<p>For one, I think it does help to start with writing what is autopoeisis, but God help you if you publish it and people like it, because you will be doomed. For my part, the poetry which works best came &#8216;from somewhere else&#8217;. Yeats accounted that some of his poems came from dreams (such as &#8216;The Cap And Bells&#8217;) and as a highly vivid dreamer, I find that I remember a lot and sometimes cannot &#8216;shake&#8217; a dream until I write it into a poem.</p>
<p>Lovecraft is interesting in this regard because <strong>Weird Tales</strong> was more or less a hack fiction rag, <em>but yet</em> out of it came very good low brow but nonetheless genuine fiction. That Lovecraft and Howard are getting their acclaim now is typical (look up our friend J.S.Bach) and considering they were &#8216;hard workers&#8217; and not academic &#8216;starving artistes&#8217; writing stories about everyone&#8217;s secret desire to fornicate, they were quite overlooked.</p>
<p>Would that we could re-create that <em>hermetic formula</em> that turned the lead of &#8216;pulp&#8217; in the gold of &#8216;literature&#8217; &#8211; perhaps I would throw my hat in that ring too!</p>
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		<title>By: Artemisia</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/scrap-note-9/#comment-37874</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am patient (actually, I&#039;m not, but I recognize it when I have no other choice).

Conspiracies do not seem to be splintered enough (or maybe conspiracies that are not focused too hard on something are just too rare). And camouflage/secrecy does not to seem to be the main point behind hyperstition anyway, so talking about it should be fine unless it leads to over-deliberation in hyperstitional constrtuction (right?).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am patient (actually, I&#8217;m not, but I recognize it when I have no other choice).</p>
<p>Conspiracies do not seem to be splintered enough (or maybe conspiracies that are not focused too hard on something are just too rare). And camouflage/secrecy does not to seem to be the main point behind hyperstition anyway, so talking about it should be fine unless it leads to over-deliberation in hyperstitional constrtuction (right?).</p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The relation is one of &quot;dis-identification,&quot; whereby functional (voodoo?) selves are merely witnessed by the non-self with a non-attached - yet playful - objectivity.  
Or at least that&#039;s the kind of answer Ken Wilber might give.

(Incidentally, although my &quot;quality time&quot; only came about via my work in a hospital operating theatre, I&#039;ve seen N2O being dispensed at several all-night raves over the years, with the most recent being only last Saturday. So it&#039;s not entirely unavailable.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relation is one of &#8220;dis-identification,&#8221; whereby functional (voodoo?) selves are merely witnessed by the non-self with a non-attached &#8211; yet playful &#8211; objectivity.<br />
Or at least that&#8217;s the kind of answer Ken Wilber might give.</p>
<p>(Incidentally, although my &#8220;quality time&#8221; only came about via my work in a hospital operating theatre, I&#8217;ve seen N2O being dispensed at several all-night raves over the years, with the most recent being only last Saturday. So it&#8217;s not entirely unavailable.)</p>
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		<title>By: Piano</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the I&#039;m-14-and-edgy version, look at http://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/top/?sort=top&amp;t=all for kids that deliberately create &quot;fully-sapient&quot; imaginary friends/hallucinations and then, when they feel like it of course, speak to others as if they themselves are said imaginary friend, while knowing full well that &quot;they&quot; are imaginary. It&#039;s a slightly more self-aware &quot;otherkin&quot; thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the I&#8217;m-14-and-edgy version, look at <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/top/?sort=top&#038;t=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/top/?sort=top&#038;t=all</a> for kids that deliberately create &#8220;fully-sapient&#8221; imaginary friends/hallucinations and then, when they feel like it of course, speak to others as if they themselves are said imaginary friend, while knowing full well that &#8220;they&#8221; are imaginary. It&#8217;s a slightly more self-aware &#8220;otherkin&#8221; thing.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/scrap-note-9/#comment-37850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that&#039;s roughly how it works. (Perhaps, get it to tell itself to commit thought-crimes. Autonomization is our friend.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s roughly how it works. (Perhaps, get it to tell itself to commit thought-crimes. Autonomization is our friend.)</p>
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		<title>By: MW</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/scrap-note-9/#comment-37849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Summon an egregore and tell it to commit thoughtcrimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summon an egregore and tell it to commit thoughtcrimes.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s too much (too many?) here to respond to quickly -- it requires at least a post. 

A collectivity that had no aspiration to unity would win unconditional allegiance here (we think), but the way it cross-cuts political codes either makes up a phenomenon (of incandescent rancor) or an occult &#039;conspiracy&#039; -- in which case, why are we talking about it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s too much (too many?) here to respond to quickly &#8212; it requires at least a post. </p>
<p>A collectivity that had no aspiration to unity would win unconditional allegiance here (we think), but the way it cross-cuts political codes either makes up a phenomenon (of incandescent rancor) or an occult &#8216;conspiracy&#8217; &#8212; in which case, why are we talking about it?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... and also just &quot;are you?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and also just &#8220;are you?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... spending some quality time with a tank of N2O.&quot; -- Only very rarely is that an option for most people.

How does mystic non-self connect to functional artifactual selves? I&#039;ve no doubt the relation exists, but it remains to be demonstrated that we are concerned with a single (and indivisible) topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; spending some quality time with a tank of N2O.&#8221; &#8212; Only very rarely is that an option for most people.</p>
<p>How does mystic non-self connect to functional artifactual selves? I&#8217;ve no doubt the relation exists, but it remains to be demonstrated that we are concerned with a single (and indivisible) topic.</p>
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