Sentences (#39)

Brett Stevens succinctly distances himself from the delusion of democratic salvation:

If I could, I’d elect Barack Obama for another term.

(XS is so there.)

February 2, 2016admin 34 Comments »
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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    then vote for Hillary. I personally don;t think self-destruction is the correct approach

    Instead of 1945, wouldn’t it be a 1919-1933 movement . That’s when everything was in full deay

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I like your time frame, but prefer the Spanish Civil War: let all the crazies and foreigners murder each other, and go back to Catholic monarchy.

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  • Alice Teller Says:

    How has that plan worked out for Germany?

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    admin Reply:

    Germany has a ‘conservative’ government.

    It would be far preferable if the destruction of the country were happening under an explicitly socialist regime. (Europe, however, is beyond hope.)

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    The East Germans were an explicitly socialist crypto-racialist anti-degeneracy government. They were, in another word, Nazis. So if they had an explicitly socialist government it might actually stop the immigration and deal out brutal justice to criminals, Antifa and pot-smoking homeless people.

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    Hurlock Reply:

    When the East Germans were under socialist rule they were ruled by Russian communists just like everyone else in Europe to the east of Berlin.
    Russian communists back then were (and still are) quite different from western communists.

    Germany is currently still ruled by communists, but of the western variety, because that is the type of communism which is natural to them. And Germany is in fact in the process of moving towards explicit communism and this is precisely the reason why they are importing all those vibrants.

    Merkel, by the way, is from East Germany herself. Does she seem like someone who is a crypto-racialist?

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    As a matter of fact the Germans were the most independent of the Sov Bloc because of their superior economy, the Russians depended on them desperately for quality war material and other industrial goods. Many of their elites and civil administrators were actually from the Gestapo, SS and other old Nazi agencies. Moscow exerted a hegemony, but only in the sense that America does over England, we don’t literally control their internal affairs. The East Germans put homos in gulags and did brain experiments on them (showing that homosexuality has something to do with failed testosterone baths, IIRC, but don’t tell the liberals – ‘homosexuality is a birth defect’ makes their heads asplode, science is so annoying!)

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    The analogue this time would probably be Sanders. Clinton will not rock the boat; Sanders, like Obama (and Clinton before him), has a mandate for radical change and will find it difficult to back down.

    It made my day to be quoted here!

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    Different T Reply:

    Wait, Obama and Clinton enacted “radical” change? Or they just had some (strange to define) “mandate?” Isn’t NRx supposed to be aware of the uselessness of these types of descriptions?

    Hillary because the “fact” that “Germany has a ‘conservative’ government” is too confusing to produce anything valuable in the minds of most.

    Sanders’ actual governance compared to his rhetoric, on the other hand, would likely disillusion large numbers of progs into moderating, eg deceleration.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Obama did have a mandate for radical change and is probably himself a radical (not saying he’s a Muslim Commie, just a radical leftoid), but in practice he’s actually been a pretty ‘white’ president who has done better than McCain would have. For example, we’re not at war with Iran.

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  • viriya Says:

    You must not have been around when Mr. Stevens went weak in the knees for Mitt Romney.

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  • simple jack Says:

    aaa: sanders going full venezuela is gnon worthy.

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  • michael Says:

    never thought Id say this but,time for a little keynesian economics

    “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.”

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  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    I’m not buying it. Power changed hands in 1945, but to borrow MM’s phrase, the lessons learned have “no consistent relationship to reality”.

    In the present context, putting evil and insane people in positions of unchallengeable power (AAA) might provide a teachable moment, but there is no particular reason for thinking that truth will be on the syllabus, and even if it is, with the evil and insane firmly entrenched in power, it will be too late to do anything about it.

    I claim AAA as “clever silly”.

    Note Spandrell’s “Revolutions” post:

    https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2014/10/31/revolutions/

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    The upshot of civil chaos would be that the liberal middle class might be destroyed, and since they are the core of the Cathedral, anything that comes next – whether it’s Feudalism 2020 or Mexico 2: The Reckoning – is bound to be less insane and dangerous to the world than the present Duhmerican System.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    When you say “the liberal middle class might be destroyed”, does that mean (1) that certain people would have less money, (2) that they would die, or (3) that they would become darkly enlightened? In my opinion, (1) is likely. (3) is not. It seems just as likely to me that they would respond to a loss of social status by becoming even more sanctimonious than they already are.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I mean that they will lose money and, being in a profoundly less liberal societies (with Messicans, etc.) will cease to wield the levers of the Evil Empire. A ruined USA is better for the rest of the world than a functioning, leftist USA.

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  • Harold Says:

    The answer is direct democracy, it could begin as a party in a country with proportional representation which vows to vote in parliament on every issue according to the votes of its voters. If works it works. If it fails…

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    Erebus Reply:

    Direct democracy is a terrible system — it cannot possibly work well. Unless you’re talking about #AAA, that is, in which case it would be absolutely terrific.

    …That said, I think that direct democracy might work if, and only if, it is combined with massively restricted voting rights. (Perhaps on the Athenian model — which is, very roughly: Males only. Landowners only. Military veterans only. And only the financially well-off.) The most important thing is that the system ensures that the wretched underclass is unable to vote. Their inclinations would lead them to vote for hedonism and decline, they’d be manipulated by all and sundry, and it would end in utter disaster. (Look at how many Iowans were induced into voting for Rubio, for fuck’s sake.)

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    Harold Reply:

    Yes, I was talking about #AAA.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    It would seem to me that the only way to avoid the sophist trap is to render voice entirely irrelevant. The threat of the siren song always exists, anything that concentrates on selecting for persuasion makes the chances of crossing a siren’s path approach one. In practice it’s so bad it produces not just one but a great flock of them.

    The quality of the siren’s song in Athenian style democracy is much improved over the garbage that somehow still enraptures so many, the prospect of such improvement is terrifying. The song the enlightenment philosophers sang was such a song, my escape coming only after the song turned to such sour notes, the extreme ease of being lost to persuasion is humbling.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    It was better in Athens because it was an aristocratic democracy with better people voting. Now we let people who are literally retarded vote (anyone with an IQ under 80 is functionally retarded). This is why I am a classist eugenicist in tendency, the lower classes are bad people, they’re feral animals with ipods.

    Erebus Reply:

    @ R. J. Moore II
    Even that form of democracy, which was structured so that only the best men had the vote, failed utterly in Athens. The best men were not immune to populist demagoguery, and they were very sensitive about slights to their honor — it could even be said that they loved war, adventure, and glory more than they loved peace, stability, and the farm!

    (…But note that when they voted for war and for foreign adventures — which was far too often — they marched and sailed to war themselves. The men who cast votes were the same men who built the Athenian League and colored the Aegean red with blood. Contrast this to our wormlike and despicable “representatives”, like Rubio and McConnell…!!)

    I think that Aeroguy is right, and that “voice” must be entirely irrelevant. The Spartiates, a nation of warrior aristocrats who ruled over the serf-like Helots with an iron fist, had virtually no input in the affairs of their own government. They had a pair of Kings instead. By all accounts, the Spartan Kings were superior to the Athenian demos.

    (Also note that although the Spartans had a fearsome reputation, they were always reluctant to embark upon foreign wars. One reason for this is that they were afraid of a Helot revolt. The Kings of Sparta, through the centuries, acted wisely to prevent the Helots from successfully rising up against their superiors.)

    A bad direct democracy would hasten the collapse. Hell, I wouldn’t give the USA a year. The masses are truly feral animals with iPods. They’d probably only vote themselves more cash from the treasury, to the exclusion of all else.

    A good, well-structured direct democracy might make things work. For a while. Maybe indefinitely. It’s tough to say, as I don’t think that this is an experiment that has ever been tried in the modern world. But odds are that it, too, would eventually fail. Democracy, even in its direct variant, is too inherently fragile a system. It didn’t work for the best, bravest, and most heroic men of Athens — do you see it working for Americans?

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    @Erebus I agree that democracy is a bad idea, regardless of your materials. Republics are better, equity boards even better. With a decent selection process a CEO-President-Dictator can be even better. My preference, despite its sci-fi anti-egalitarian tendecies, is toward AnCap-Panarchy, i.e. turn communities into private equity so the retards can only ruin their own lives and the decent people can reap the full benefits without subsidizing failed subspecies. My point was merely that Greece was only as good as it was because it wasn’t a mass democracy and started with nomad warlords as its voting bloc.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    There would need to be a thorough de-pozzing and reform of the military before it could be made a prerequisite for suffrage (although I agree that it’s a sensible end goal).

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Definitely, the American murder/suicide bureaucracy posing as a military should generally be deported, not given voting privileges. But a direct equivalence between rule and war is essential for a Faustian society that doesn’t take shit from uppity peasants.

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    The answer is private property and binding contracts, people who can not acquire or implement these skillfully do not deserve any representation of ‘voice’ – they don’t like it they can move.

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  • R. J. Moore II Says:

    I think it’s vaguely possible that Trumpenfuhrer could cause a general shift on the Cathedral’s Overton Window and shift the US toward a less dysfunctional version of itself (not himself, but as part of a process). That being said, the US Empire is in itself a crazy-quilt of hated enemies held together by fiat money, naked force and bad religion. This is what the Whine Nationalists refuse to face/accept, and why they will always lose: they are trying to preserve the Enemy’s instiutions for their own purposes. As the Fascists demonstrated that is, at best, delaying the inevitable and, more likely, just leaves you with a screwed up ‘movement’ that’s Cucked to dominant power blocs.

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  • michael Says:

    no representation without net taxation,if its not your money you cant vote how to spend it

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I’d go one further and take the Heinlein option, if you’re not a propertied man who has served in the military you don’t get a say, you can accept it or move. Property ownership is a good starting point, but requiring that the voting public actually be the exact same people who fight is what medieval and ancient society had that we do not. The ‘middle classers’ are too soft and stupid and religious to be trusted with political power, no matter how rich they are.

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  • Mariani Says:

    So, even if we should keep our fingers crossed for more breakneck acceleration, what is the desired end state to get out of this if not democratic? The ultra-PCification would change the minds of the electorate, but if they don’t vote for a radical switch when they see the light, what are we hoping for?

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    admin Reply:

    Acceptance that it’s over.

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