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Just putting this out there:

Lets just be honest here and state the fact that the “altright” is essentially a neo-nazi movement.

(As you can see in context — despite the weak pseudonym that I’m not going to dox — it’s from a sympathizer rather than a critic, if that makes any difference at this point.)

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  • Slumlord Says:

    Yep.

    The Nazi’s rebranded themselves and took over the dissident Right by claiming to speak for it.

    It’s a Modernist Trojan Horse operation who’s aim it is to snuff out any intelligent opposition to contemporary liberalism.

    I’m surprised it’s taken you this long to realise it.

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    admin Reply:

    It hasn’t taken any time at all. The Dark Enlightenment essay already clearly predicted it. Sad to see the prophecy being fulfilled so perfectly.

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    Slumlord Reply:

    So how to purge?

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    smg Reply:

    To purge you need to have control which you don’t and never did. You don’t get to purge; you get to withdraw. You can withdraw into tiny corners of the webz and talk among yourselves waiting patiently for magic technology. If you’re very lucky, eventually, you’ll get exit, but probably not.

    The Cathedral is driving its inmates insane in all directions – left and right. My bet, NRx doesn’t get to avoid that reality.

    smg Reply:

    Seems odd that you predicted it clearly – the cracker factory section, yet are appalled at its revelation. Certain classes of whites in America and soon in the UK (when Brexit fails) feel the vise squeezing, squeezing and the left is so stupidly, crazily triumphant. Seems utterly obvious.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Wise words SMG.

    As to predicting it accurately but appalled at it’s revelation – Congratulations Admin.
    You are now truly Nietzsche. More than he ever lived to see – remember his rantings are a lament.

    I don’t like it either but will take any train out of Prog-Town especially if my people’s price of survival is the ride.

    Now take comfort – there are more forces in the world than the Alt-Right or the Left.
    Also take comfort – the Americans have much more space and power than the trapped Germans did. We don’t have to make terrible choices it’s just that we might.

    Certainly the Left – insanely triumphant as they fall – isn’t helping.

    Truly outside of their ultimately powerless enclaves – force is power – the Left is very weak.

    michael Reply:

    In fairness i dont think your looking for cover youre smart enough to know you crossed that respectable line a long time ago and theres no going back,
    youre trying to insist on nuance on the right but i think its being misinterpreted many here are not neo nazis but are talking past you while sounding like them for reasons of the their own nuance preferences . I think we on the right are more effective working on different levels Its not clear if we will be allowed by the cathedral to do that. its not clear if the actual neo nazis are willing to coordinate on strategy or we are willing to work with them if they are. its not clear if or where boundaries are in the area between DENRX and Stormfront there used to be quite a lot of space and nuance in that area until recently. Its not clear if theres a point of diminishing return on the right generally related to the actions of any part of the right but its clear its being decided factionally rather than rationally. its pretty clear many non neo nazis are also skeptical of some of moldbug or see that moldbug himself was less than sure or clear or that the situation on the ground may have changed since moldbug or even that moldbug is scripture.again factions not reason prevailing. It does seem some have such long time preferences that others dismiss as theoretical and un realistic while others so short that equally unrealistic it ought to be clear that reaction actually intends to acquire power before its too late by any means necessary that the means are not tested to be horror free that reaction is not a theoretical endeavor it means business that its objections to methods are practical not aesthetic.

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    michael Reply:

    Theres much truth to this but also some nuance there were some DENRx who wanted a less passivist reaction and their was a non nazi ethno trad as well. There was a moment when those three agreed to disagree and got on and even cooperated. As the nazis piled on some twitter satire ridicule success which was hard not to be amused by lines blurred at the farthest right and a right and left signalling war broke out. This is exacerbated by Land being cagey and sending mixed signals about certain things which invited nazi notice. The question that needs answering is are outright nazis going to help. They think so they actually have some points but might only be proving that theres a bigger than thought audience for straight up nazism, that doesnt mean theres not also going to be a cost to the rest of the right that exceeds the gains nazis make. If denrx is perceived to be either cucked or not serious about seizing power its hard to cooperate with the nazis. Off the top of my head i think the four levels of race realism of a year ago was a good approach but conditions on the ground moved to fast maybe because of our action maybe because cathedral actions but reassess.
    Heres where id start

    Stop fighting amongst ourselves which means admitting nazis are on our side despite major disagreements, I realize some thought they could be bypassed but that was naive the cathedral was bound to lump us together making our nuanced protestation laughable outside our community and the nazis were bound to find us. They need to be reached out to and reassured despite extreme differences we are allies and must work together.

    For a while tests should be run to see whats working before getting locked in. trump may be tanking his success has possibly caused over reach. the cathedral has over reached on race which makes race populism the likeliest path to power which its always been anyway but the war on white has left an opening, That doesnt mean we too should over reach it may still be prudent to move cautiously on race with class specific approaches this would mean co operating on allowing differentiating our approaches while secretly working together. The current war might actually be good cover at plausible deniability. But this is really really tricky as the cathedral will not co operate and the commenters at all levels will be in the dark unless privately contacted
    becoming less coy and provocative about some basics of how a future reactionary state would work ought to assuage fears of betrayal. Its a no brainer that white societies have proven themselves and multiculturalism doesnt work. If we have no problem imagining AI robots ruling us its no more unrealistic to seriously discuss how to get the seage out of the wine [MM] Its not impossible recent immigrants can self deport technical violations can be found illegal in past amnesties or applications found fraudulent which they mostly are. can we have guest workers could be negotiated.The american slave descendant and Jewish question should be studied more.How to expell the arabs and africa from europe needs figuring out.DENRX needs to get serious about actually seizing power before its too late which is going to mean ethnic methods and politics. Once power is seized have at it. The nazis alt right and heroicreaction and denrx neeeds to figure out how to move enough people to avoid over reach they have to work together to do this get over your class shit thats for commies.
    The nazis really have to let go of the socialist shit its jewish for one thing and its not needed in a well run white society, conversly if some white nations want to persist with it at the cost to gdp let it go in a reaction world information about cost will be honest the markets will sort it. reaction has to get over this extreme elitism its a trap exclude the lower half to some serf role and you end up with a new lower half in your upper half, half > 130 IQS are born to average people they are breeders that deserve respect. Nazis if you let go of socialism you might as well let go of the nazi meme its got a limited appeal leave it to the skinhead and prison gangs. The jewish question oy vey. Heres my take theres certainly a problem but i dont think its really genetic anymore they are being biologically absorbed and so culturally absorbed certainly they need to be stopped from seeing there interests as apart from “whites” I dont think resurrecting hitler memes is going to help. Think like a jew to the extent “they’]]] sre the left [[[they]]] took the long game. They are seeing liberalism which was in my opinion a strategy they liked [whether they invented it or not] because it allowed them to hide in a crowd of minorities they now see this is backfiring with arabs and with white privilege about to zero in on them. They could easilly be flipped if they didnt feel threatened by nazis. If that happened you own a big part of the cathedral. Now if you really are sure in the long run they will be a threat play long think about how to set it up so once they finish helping they can be pried loose from their identity as jews. Some of you really are commies and its just too much for them to be richer than whites i get it eventually we will have the same problem with asians its not healthy to have your nation run by outsiders if you are capable of competeing without them im fully confident europeans could continue to dominate the world without jews or asians but like it or not jews ashenkenazi jews are half euro by DNA and have an equally enmeshed shared culture while stipulating a line has to be drawn somewhere no matter how arbitrary these half jews ought to be made white they are probably biologically more white than greeks for instance. the problem is they and we perceive a difference still that is hardly there fucking outlaw a jew marrying another jew swap babies around at maternity wards outlaw religion i dont care but assimilate the bastards already. Jews may be major leftist players they are also natural capitalist and race realists work with what you got. That goes for all capitalists you can operate as a national corporation or a foreign corporation but not in some vague place, Foreign corps contribute less so pay more for use of infrastructure market access etc – i digress into economic ideas

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    anon Reply:

    90% of the nazis aren’t actual nazis. It’s like owning the word whig, or nigger, or shitlord.

    It’s truly pathetic to see right-wing people still trying to counter-signal nazism. It’s the current year, grandpa.

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    michael Reply:

    your are right my point was as far as cathedral is concerned we are all nazis in rreality there are a very few say skin heads prison gangs the KKK type then conspiricists who see jews behind everything but are pretty confused and ill informed on how economics works and history etc
    Just above this grandpa thinks he discerns a sort of neo neo nazi one that can do things like pwn google with [[[]]] but gramps isnt sure maybe things like that are actually coming from even higher up.but whoever its was clever as hell.
    then next level intellectuals who focus on race respectably theres been many approaches to remain somewhat respectable Amren has a alynskist make them honor their own rules approach,Vdare uses immigration as a proxy,People like Richwine Murray or Griffe use social analytics, Jay chick and the actual scientists use biological analysis, Sailor Coulter Steyne use reason which is sort of alynskism too since the left still pays lip service to reason in some quarters. Then therss the alt right or what that meant a year ago which was not asociated with the neo nazis and was more new school than say the paleos or remnants austers etc they seemed to come from a moldbug direction heroic reaction was a thread. They were tied in with religion and patriarchy and monarchy above them were more orthodox MM oriented and way up in outer space was land and futurism, but land was connected in other ways because science because scifi because analytics capitalism etc.
    The whole triad thing never made sense there some glaring conflicts or at least since we all declare fealty to reason [or used to] some internal inconsistencies
    One leg was religion made sense because tradition reaction moldbug carlyle remnant but religion is not reason and christianity in any iteration other than medeival is leftist slave religion and universlist humanist. The farthest reaches of the futurist was kind of prog sounding and anti human conflicting with the traditional leaving only monarchy in common which meant AI robot lords to one side and king arthur to the other. I could go on and on But to me the foundation was HBD and reason like it or not nazis were right that a white world was a better world and like it or not the cathedral was going to tar us all as racist nazis no matter how obscure our syntax. Now theres a whole universe of how to express a demographically homogeneous civilization gas chambers and socialism ought to be ruled out but the long leather coats are really cool

    fascist asshole Reply:

    Seems to me the age old question of idealism vs realism. For a moment let me try to discuss this problem in the language of a retard.
    /

    Ultimately the Alt-Right is going to eventually go Full Retard. I don’t think it QUITE has yet, though it is very close to spilling over. Something is changing right now, though I’m not sure what.

    Frankly, let us please take a look at Occupy, BLM, etc. These movements all started off somewhat rational, maybe a grain of humanity to them. And over time they became caricatures, jokes. Because of small numbers of people hijacking the movements and driving them towards inanity. Instead of thinking we can change this, we should plan for it. Like it or not, NRX is now tangled up with the Alt-Right. I was personally inspired on my journey after reading Moldbug and The Dark Enlightenment. I’d be lying if I was the sharpest tool in the shed, but lads, I got the basic idea. I already had most of these thoughts in my head prior to reading the articles, yet they surprisingly seemed to be a part of a sort of thing which I already knew had to happen. A weave which guided through the dirt of earth – or something.

    The thing is, we just have to predict. I am not a philosopher. I am just looking at things and writing whatever comes into my head, it might be partially philosophy or partially a joke. Or a poem. Or a mix. It doesn’t matter, the genre of my post is not classifiable. I consider it the genre of “comments.” This is a comment, and if it were to be printed on paper, I would want the genre to be called simply “comments.” It’s a comment, and this genre has to be bent and different lines have to be crossed between levels.

    Anyway, Full Retard approaches. What does this even mean? Is history just happening like some mad moose charging at random through the forest? Frankly, for a few months it felt as though everything made sense, though right now I get the sense that I no longer have any idea what to think.

    As I watch as Full Retard begins to set in, my predominant emotional response is the sense that the Alt-Right is being actively subverted into destruction – and that just as happened with leftist movements – due to its weaknesses and the genuine ignorance inside of it, it is falling apart.

    All a subversive has to do is simply act like the worst stereotype of the movement – and the funny thing is that his being undetected is victory for him. The fact that people go along with him or her is the sign that the movement itself had to be destroyed.

    So really, the Alt-Right is essentially gestating towards its end. It is the new SJW in its early stages of maturity, and will mature into the butterfly of The New Enemy within four or five years as all things seem to do once they take center stage.

    NRX will exist through all of this, and I highly doubt the Alt Right will ever really prevail. It’s like a battering ram that smashes through the door, and after the door and the remnants are smashed and lying around, people start to pick up the pieces. I don’t really know. I suppose I no longer really enjoy it as I used to. It used to seem fun and now it has become frankly kind of embarrassing to me. I don’t know when exactly the change took place though I simply feel it. I do wish the Alt Right would purge the trolls that make it seem so stupid. The /pol/ culture in and of itself has begun to seem more like an issue than a useful energy. It genuinely used to help having the off the cuff insanity and offensiveness – it used to entertain. Now it has increasingly seemed to feel passe to me.

    This is why a New Centrist movement, or some sort of branded Centrist movement, has to be revitalized. Centrism is the ultimate escape from the trap we are moving into. I have actually always imagined NRX as sort of a centrist thing, in that it is very much detached from the entire political process. I do think some may feel a bit weird about touching the centrist bug, as it has been largely shamed into obscurity. The idea that “centrists think they’re so smart!!!!” and so on. Or that they’re just “impotent leftists” or “impotent rightists.” This is an absurdity obviously, a sheer absurdity. It is my belief that the center represents the line of flight, a deterritorialization of politics. The thing is, the centrists of history are largely unknown. Ultimately NRX and centrism are absolutely not the same thing, absolutely not. Yet at the same time, centrism as a more active political-philsophical activity is – without question – the corrective to the Alt-Right. And I do not mean a merely quiet centrism, but a sort of self-asserted form.

    Haven’t thought much past that though.

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    admin Reply:

    “Full Retard approaches.” — This is one of the greatest prophecies ever.

    Anon Reply:

    “All a subversive has to do is simply act like the worst stereotype of the movement – and the funny thing is that his being undetected is victory for him.”

    “[Fatah] later conducted investigations enabling us to unmask a number of [Jordanian Security service] agents, who for the most part had passed themselves off as fanatic militants advocating a maximalist position. This only served to reinforce my conviction that diehard extremists are either imbeciles or traitors” quote by Abu Iyad, chief of intelligence for the PLO (found in Shapiro’s The Terrorist’s Dilemma: Managing Violent Covert Organizations).

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  • holipopiloh Says:

    Reductio ad Hitlerum? This is a new low for NRx. What a sad week. (Please take a brake and think things over.)

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    admin Reply:

    “Admit it, we’re Nazis.”
    “So they’re saying they’re Nazis?”
    Reductio ad Hitlerum? This is a new low for NRx.”

    If you fools aren’t prepared to do any spade work on your own Augean Stables, others are going to have to. There’s no way I’m climbing into a trench with these freaks.

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    I refuse to believe that it hasn’t yet dawned on you that not everyone who disagreed with you these last couple of times is an altrighter (let alone a neo-nazi).

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    anon Reply:

    He just wants to signal on twitter that he is not a nazi or associated with nazis. This is the most important thing. Over and over.

    admin Reply:

    They’re at least a “no way we’re interested in cleaning out this Augean Stable” type — or do you disagree?

    Grayscale Plaid Reply:

    “Who’s ‘we,’ kemosabe?” Some random comment on your blog spells out a superficial endorsement of the alt-right as not-so-crypto-Nazis, and that resolves the issue for you? If that’s how it works, I have this great real estate opportunity for you in Brooklyn- how do you feel about owning a bridge?

    And the comparison of the Augean stables is an interesting one. Tell me, Hercules, who exactly has tasked you with this labor? If no one has, then have you considered that your divine strength might be better used on more pressing matters than housekeeping?

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    admin Reply:

    The Alt-Right isn’t my estate, so I’m certainly not going to do its housekeeping.

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  • Marco Says:

    “This absurd myth that “right wing activism always fails” is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard from the autistic Right. It shows how hopelessly out of touch with reality most e-reactionaries truly are.”

    A clear example of one who didn’t get it and hasn’t realized it, it seems.

    It’s not that right-wing activism doesn’t work. Its that when it does work, it will likely produce Hitler, which, from my limited readings, isn’t really the objective here.

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    pedanticmoron Reply:

    It’s that right-wing activism, like any activism, doesn’t work on it’s own. People Power by itself doesn’t work, especially when that People Power is trying to smash the most powerful entity to ever exist.

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  • Xoth Says:

    Roll credits.

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  • anon Says:

    Doing a public “I am not a nazi” dance does not have the effect of lifting a spadeful from the stable. It also does not stop anybody from murdering anybody.

    What it does is to send a signal: Nick Land feels the need to publicly declare that he’s a non-nazi.
    (to all appearances, typing from the inside of a Skinner Box…)

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    It’s had the effect of drawing to the surface the passionate retard/LARP/”muh children and grandchildren” element. Now we can tease them out like so many Guinea worms.

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    anon Reply:

    Can he? I don’t see him doing anything of the sort.

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  • Jefferson Says:

    How the comments here came to resemble the outhouse that Jim’s comments are is beyond me. No enemies to the right somehow morphed into no enemies who are racist.

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    Contaminated NEET Reply:

    >Jim’s comments
    >outhouse

    I can’t even.

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  • Jefferson Says:

    On further reflection, Spandrell articulated this best: we need a new religion. Since holiness is blackness, and vice versa, heresy against this construct presents the illusion of being a separate religion. Satanists are Christians, otherwise they would all be Yezidis. Fascists are communists, otherwise they would know their place.

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  • holipopiloh Says:

    >They’re at least a “no way we’re interested in cleaning out this Augean Stable” type — or do you disagree?

    Of course I disagree. This is not how you reroute Peneus to clean the stables. This is how you make a muck of it. The reasons why have been brought up so many times in so many forms I’m getting sick myself of reading about it.

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  • Paul Ennis Says:

    I made a flippant comment about how British your response was and how there was some meta-truth to all this (“games beyond the game”), but without realising what you were responding to (this was on twitter). So I wanted to address it seriously as I think it’s an important moment where nrx and alt right need to go their own ways.

    They were never really allies anyway. Right accelerationism, in the little parts I can make out (because it is not so formalised as its leftist brother), has always read to me as a techno-futurist project that enjoyed chaos because it demonstrated the need for order. But the order is too complex for straight-up centralised modes of thought such as Hitlerism. Hitler was basically the world’s most epic fuck up: someone who inherited Venezuala and managed to leave his inheritance in a worse place than he found it. The only reason this stuff is even on the radar is because Islam sets off so many deep psychic bells in Westerners that they’ll actually ponder whether going back to the ideology that destroyed their continent is a good idea.

    Even worse is the lack of imagination exhibited in the alt right. Their current long march through the institutions is now so utterly mixed up with progressivism that whatever comes out of all this is going to be so warped that Westerners will be sending their kids to China just to ensure they don’t end up doubly-spazzed by the low-IQ right and weirdness of the contemporary left. Heck, it’s all this that makes me want to remain an anti-natalist. It’s not that there is no future, it’s that there is one and it looks really goddamned stupid.

    So, in such circumstances all we have are escape routes – as outlandish as they sound free cities and steadfasting and the likes begin to look not so much as potential libertarian outposts (or populated tax havans), but closer to the scattered islands where monks waited out the dark ages.

    And what will be needed for that are precisely technics, cryptocurrency for sure, but much more than that, long-term. Assange is fond of saying that in the future only the technically savvy will be able to evade their adversaries and as far as I can tell that would hold just as true for Hitlerism as it would whatever the left might conjure up as all the infrastructure begins to give way…domino style.

    And one final thing: if Hitlerism needs to examine its activism it needs to ask why it seems to target either children on islands or lone women on the street. I mean even those two idiots chose a soldier, Rigby, for their own deranged attack. And Mair, what kind of idiot performs a murder right before an election that almost gets him what he wants? Everything about it is retarded.

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    michael Reply:

    they were not children they were a hive of leftist larvae she was a general in the turkish assault. maybe what really has to happen is accelerationism needs to get out of reaction and join weird scifi and academic circles.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    The charge that realism is being overlooked here makes me wonder if I have been reading the same blog as the haranguers in the recent comments sections. The distrust of or exasperation with admin — which is not new — is in direct proportion to their belief in romantic fantasies and politics (democracy). They claim to be in touch with the realities of efficacious violence — and why? “Because children and huh wyte people 14 words amirite.”

    The real split is between those with low time preference and robust amygdalae, and id-pol mongoloids who just can’t do Gnonology.

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    michael Reply:

    I thinks theres a lot of things going on simultaneously. Yes actual neo nazis have been attracted and are well acting like neo nazis but even that is complicated because we all often larp as neo nazis and because admin has been posting shit that will draw them in. That said
    Thers an element in DENRX that is worried about leftist creep entry and insists upon enforcing no enemies to the left with shit tests Im probably guilty of this. And there are some that see land in particular as suspicious this is because he enjoys being obscure which if it were only to hide from low iqs but he simultaneously does shit like post jew question and other plainly dark shit which is fine it gives him shitlord cred but then he will in the next thread take it all back, what exacerbates it is his futurism is kind of anti human which is not really traditional or conservative it at times seems like some new form of elitist social experiment and coming from a guy that chooses to live in china well it just sometimes seems hes really not even a reactionary. the counter is hes just giving us the scientific facts that we will have to confront soon.
    In short therss all sorts of people chiming in and most of them are not neo nazis whatever they might write. There are a lot i bet most non landian neo reactionaries that are not completely convinced moldbug was right that to do nothing is the best strategy or that to engage politically is alway pointless or thatviolence never works, its not that we are low iq low future time preference or havnt read and understood MM its that we dont see the incontrovertible evidence that the cathedral will collapse and we will assume power magically in fact its absurd and while we get how future time preference would work it that were going to happen what some of us see as the more likly scenario for the near future is the cathedral will shut down freedom of speech voice and has already pretty much made exit impossible and at the rate of non white invasion we dont have time to wait till bitcoin saves us in fact we dont see haow bitcoin is going to do jack cathedral money is backed by ICBMs they could shut down every reactionary blog on the planet tomorrow and round us up as domestic terrorist if they wanted. we already have a faggot nigger second generation weather underground in charge of the world and you and land are sneering about future time preference and chimp behavior, can you not see the problem. I think a lot of the people who identify as DENRX think this is a lark some faggoty thing you will do for a while some edgy hipster pose that asuages you lost manhood. while others of us actually intend on seizing control of europe the anglosphere and the united states as soon as possible by any means necessary. while i dont want socialism or Hitler I really have no qualms about using them then killing them if that will work killiong a hive of leftist children on some summer camp or some traitorous bitch MP if it works i could care less about the aesthetics if it doesnt work thats fine too. What needs to be established is the goal of neo reaction is to seize power and reboot a reactionary world. I see no evidence we have decades to wait for tech that may never come or do what its claimed will happen right now the cathedral has the NSA and ICBM backed currency they have normalized extra judicial government. But they are for a year or two at least still vulnerable and have overreached on the war on whites and so race seems like an opportunity. What concrete policy as denrx worked out since moldbug nothing if the cathedral collapsed tomorrow they have nothing to offer the alt right has a plan at least. Now I admit denrx could contribute could shape the alt right vision but they have to get away from this theoretical passivity futuristic fantasy and get down to engineering

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    There haven’t been any Nazis since 1945 and can never be again. A neo-Nazi is a symptom. The vast majority of rightwing anything are merely symptoms of leftism, from cucks to Breivik. I always assumed this was clear to anyone on the right with brains.

    When did demotist retardation (Breivik, a WIGGER) become some kind of victory for consequentialism? When are you going to stab an MP, Michael? Total LARPer.

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  • Mara Says:

    In retrospect it was all inevitable. Not joining the Nazis is a Herculean task once one is “Red-Pilled” on the JQ. 2010 was the year of counter-Jihad, 2012 the year of Manosphere, 2014 the year of NRx, and finally, after having browsed/read/listened to/watched extensively TOO, C-C, Radix, TRS, Ramzpaul, MPC, /pol/, DailyStormer – and myriads of others more or less associated with them, you find yourself a Nazi in 2016.

    Sleep with KMac, wake up with Anglin.

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    anon Reply:

    Most of those guys aren’t even nazis, though. They mostly just joke about it.

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  • Asher Says:

    Seems to me as if the lesson is violence isjustified as long as one wins

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    michael Reply:

    that would be reality

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    michael Reply:

    hell if you win you can even rename the violence peacekeeping nation building law enforcement

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  • Paul Ennis Says:

    ‘they were not children they were a hive of leftist larvae she was a general in the turkish assault. maybe what really has to happen is accelerationism needs to get out of reaction and join weird scifi and academic circles.’

    They were literally children. Would they all grow up to be multiculturalists, yes, sure. But you have to be a special kind of scum to kill children *no matter your case.* I don’t understand what scifi or academia has to do with it unless you are adopting the critique by identity mode of leftism which would boost my point that the alt right is infected with progressive tactics.

    You don’t need to be any kind of person to frown on the murder of children. I’m pretty sure it’s one of the few things humans tend to agree on.

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    michael Reply:

    war is hell but its how you reshape the world you reshape the world because entropy if you cant take the heat get out of the reaction you are the reason not just neo nazis but many neo reactionaries are swarming land with shit tests because hes been infected by faggots like yourself that cant take the horror thats coming. ABB by killing those kids made a good point he could have blown up a mosque but he demonstrated with his street art who the real enemy was and how they operated they sent their children to that reeducation camp to be trained to murder whites by proxy. Not only did he force the world to recognize that he made the MPs who sent their kids there the pain the parents of Rotheram etc feel it was a just kill it was a high future time preference kill. It may or may not be an effective strategy for the reaction that must be studied MM didnt think so some may disagree. I may be on the fence until farther evidence but im certainly not on the fence about the morality of it. If killing a few thousand progs children could dislodge them from the Cathedral no reactionary should hesitate a second. I the cathedral continues much longer a world wide race was will surely take place hundreds of millions will die and if it doesnt happen europeans will simply be killed and raped off the face of the earth thats their p[lan they are loud and proud about it and they are moving in 250,000 assorted niggers a month to western lands to do it for them and your solution is to explore BTC please youre not a reactionary

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    Ahote Reply:

    >They were literally children.

    No they were not. The Brevik victim was 21.78 years old on average.

    >I’m pretty sure it’s one of the few things humans tend to agree on.

    Not really. Frowning upon infanticide is just a relic of Europe’s Christian past. Nietzsche said that “When one gives up Christian belief one thereby deprives oneself of the right to Christian morality.” What we’re seeing is just Christianity’s grip on the West becoming feeble and arthritic. Even if they were all literally children, if one wanted to be obtuse, one could state that Breivik simply performed a few post-birth abortions.

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    anon Reply:

    They were not children, no more than Trayvon Martin was.

    The pictures shared in the media were of course chosen to be youthful, innocent and cute, exactly like the pictures of this immigration-politician were. They arguably didn’t deserve to die, but not because they were too young to die.

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    pedanticmoron Reply:

    The average age of Brevik’s victims was 22ish, yes. That’s the average, meaning there were several above that age and several below that age.

    He killed something like 17 people aged 14 to 16. Saying that they weren’t children any less than Trayvon was a child is absurd, he literally killed 14, 15, and 16 year olds.

    You people are completely absurd. Have you all become Muslims or orthodox Jews or something? Are you visiting from the 1400s? People aged 14-16 are kids, get a grip.

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  • Paul Ennis Says:

    Let me add colour to that: why, in God’s name, are you guys so messed up you have us even thinking about questions of ‘is the cause worth killing children and unarmed women?’

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    michael Reply:

    Have you even read MOLDBUG?

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    4candles Reply:

    Remedial Red-Pill Studies (give it time). Reality breaks the Cathedral apart, nothing else. We pick up the pieces.

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    michael Reply:

    Waiting for Gnon dot ?

    admin Reply:

    Utter pathetic pwnage. Sad to see, but not exactly surprising.

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    Well, is it? How much are you willing to sacrifice to summon the demon, Paul?

    (I would’ve pricked Nick with the same question, but it’s becoming obvious that all the jizz about intelligence optimisation was just the aftermath of masturbation.)

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  • Aristocles Invictvs Says:

    Nick, most people in the Alt-Right are ironic Nazis, almost none of them are ideologically rigorous in any way. They want to de-mystify the term Nazi and racism to decrease the intellectual power/arsenal of the left. That’s almost all there is to it. That’s why in the Alt-Right there is a term, “1488ers” used to denote people who take Nazism or Fascism seriously and are intolerably zealous. Most people in the Alt-Right are not very fond of them but they won’t denounce them.

    Don’t take what people from the Alt-Right say on face value, as a trained philosopher you should not take this facile surface-analysis approach.

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    admin Reply:

    Read the last three comment threads and tell me you can still maintain that interpretation. Sustaining irony requires a level of cognitive competence far beyond the reach of the constituency we’re dealing with here.

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    michael Reply:

    youre being shit tested

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    anon Reply:

    I’m the guy who’s been most all over your case in all 3 threads Nick.

    Aristocles Invictvs is obviously 100% correct.

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    Augustus Pugin Reply:

    Aristocles Invictvs is entirely correct. You may have just attracted some of the more sincere ones due to your obvious hostility to them. There’s been an unfortunate rend torn between nrx and alt-right due to the alt-right’s continual misunderstanding and confusion around neoreaction and neoreactions refusal to meet them half way due to their arrogance and elitism. NRx considers it beneath them to have to continually explain to people why it isn’t a purposeful Jew run subversion psyop, even though Mark Yuray already dealt with this, and the alt-right feels threatened by something that they can’t figure out if it’s a competitor, an enemy or something they should take seriously. One of the podcasts on TRS, Manifest Destiny I think, dealt with this recently. It was basically an hour long of them memeing on NRx and at the same time just wishing NRx would stop being so faggy and defensive so it can hurry up and “tell us what to do already”.

    I don’t want to second guess admin’s motivations, because I really have no idea, but when he starts to aggressively counter-signal alt-right elements rather than dispassionately observing them as the inevitable result of Cathedralic misgovernance, it clearly inflames this division and ensures more truckloads of butthurt ethnats are going to be flooding the comments here to announce what a massive mega-kike he is.

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    Aristocles Invictvs Reply:

    +1 Far too much vitriol in these past three comment sections over something that should not be this divisive.

    Aristocles Invictvs Reply:

    I have read them, but I think you are committing an error. You are taking what maybe 5-6 “Alt-Righters” are saying, and then concluding you have an accurate picture of what the Alt-Right actually believes. Too small a sample size to make such definite statements I’m afraid.

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    admin Reply:

    They’re not unrepresentative, in my judgement (although ‘Zarco’ does plaster the thuggishness on especially thickly).

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Purge entryists.

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    anon Reply:

    Uh huh. How?

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Ban them. Maybe stab them to death in the street?

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    anon Reply:

    You think Nick will start banning IP’s that won’t disavow the alt-right, eh? Sounds like a foolproof plan.

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    admin Reply:

    Why does anyone think I’d want to terminate this argument? It’s a valuable boundary-setting process for all concerned, a massive traffic-magnet, and pretty much exactly the sort of thing a blog is good for.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    How do you make such a leap with a straight face? I’d say ban anyone suspiciously free of nuance who behaves as if they are commenting on FB. A simple lice check would do.

    I remember when Nick contributed a piece to Colin Liddel’s alternativeright.com (“Hyper Racism”) and drew almost the exact same flavor of ire from the regulars there (many of whom Colin frequently harangues to stop being so retarded). They seem to have migrated here — I don’t know why. Gheir wounded idealism and “Now, Nick, you’ve gone too far in insulting muh peoples and they survivals.” Fuck the lot of you and your timid, blinkered vision masquerading as steely resolve. You can’t see a year ahead, much less ten, twenty or fifty.

    anon Reply:

    Nick isn’t doing that either.

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  • spandrell Says:

    The fact remains that your response hasn’t been… elegant enough. People see that and take the chance to troll you. Nazi! hahaha.

    There should be some witty comeback that solves the issue, and if you don’t find it nobody else will.

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    admin Reply:

    It’s OK. So I’m trolled. It’s roughly like being the owner of a Che Guevara T-shirt factory. No one’s even vomited on the carpet yet, insofar as tone is concerned, which — given the party that’s taken place here — is quite something.

    This kind of spat used to happen inside NRx, before MA moved on. That was a problem. This isn’t.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    I would not agree with this.

    The Alternative Right is a broad set of conservative beliefs that center on the idea of health of a nation, and with it definition of a nation, thus nationalism.

    It opposes democracy, but also seems fervently against the Fuehrerprinzip.

    Neo-Nazism lives on in white nationalism, which overlaps with Neoreaction, the Alternative Right and the New Right.

    However, the Alternative Right is more like the new-era dissident realists of the Houellebecqian school: anti-liberals who took the red pill about human consciousness and pathology, and how most people are pathologically against reality in order to salve their egos with notions of equality.

    The Alternative Right clashes with white nationalism because white nationalism is fashioned in the form of modifying existing society, assuming that most of it is just fine the way it is, and contains the “ethno-bolshevik” impulse created by a reliance on equality.

    All demotist systems do this inherently, even economic ones unless regulated by strong leadership and culture.

    What to mind defines the Alternative Right as it arose in the early 00s when CORRUPT and the original AlternativeRight.com site were online was this: anti-democracy, HBD, a punk-styled distrust of society itself, and the need for strong culture/nationalism as well as a transcendental goal. I remember talking about this several times with our editor, Alex BIrch.

    Similarly, Neoreaction is a Libertarian vocabulary for understanding reactionary principles, and was not intended to be taken literally. Like The Republic, it is a thought experiment.

    On the Alternative Right, you will find many who view Communism and National Socialism as too close together for either to viable.

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    woods Reply:

    Damn straight, it’s National _Socialism_ after all.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    To be fair actual NSDAP (and actual Fascism) were far less totalitarian than Communism in both theory and practice, especially in economics. They’re more like ‘Jingoistic Social Security Fanatics’.

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  • Grayscale Plaid Says:

    I’m a little confused how the man who wrote “[i]ntegrative public debate always moves things to the left” wrote the last three days’ worth of content on this blog. So a mid-level government official was murdered thousands of miles away, possibly over a toothless referendum that a minuscule fraction of us will be voting in. So what? By the same token, how does a bunch of pole-smokers getting smoked in Orlando or some nobody declaring the alt-right to be Nazis (so original!) matter at all? Whence all this hysteria over what are, in the grand scheme of things, trivial events? What happened to ideas counting, not people?

    It would seem that our gracious host’s ability to recognize and diagnose The Cracker Factory has not translated into an ability to escape it’s mechaniations. It would seem that an (additional?) function of the Factory is to conquer the right by division, polarizing internally into cucks, who endlessly seek to appease the unappeasable left, and fascists, who want to burn the left and cucks alike. The correct answer was, and is, and should be, to deny the premise: “no enemies on the right,” whatever it’s flaws, shuts down the debate and refuses to play the Factory’s game. Ignoring the crazies (and thereby starving the hysteria-du-jour of as much oxygen as you can) is the least-worst option here. Hysterical denunciations and calls for purges is the most-worst. I’m shocked that our host, who literally wrote the book on the dynamics at work here, doesn’t get the distasteful implications of his own insights.

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    michael Reply:

    because as some wag said its chimps all the way down which means al the way up all the way in all the way out ironically Land proved the chimps right by chimping in. We can let him be the chimp whos mastadon bone turns into a space ship though.

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    anon Reply:

    Yeah, Land feels about prole white racists the way most of us feel about Marxists and Muslims.

    Never seen Land post with so much intensity and disgust, this hatred is clearly coming from deep in the gut. It’s fascinating and sad. He wrote in a previous post that he wishes for his ex-countrymen to be colonized by the Chinese – not a people known for being fair masters. Harsh stuff.

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    Ahote Reply:

    Man’s gotta eat something, does he not? Unlike the most of us, he’s not anonymous. I suspect he has enough trouble as it is, even without being connected (in minds of certain people) to any criminal acts. Oh, I have no doubts whatsoever that he finds it most objectionable in earnest, but public denunciation like that, it’s probably intended for someone *other* than people commenting here.

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    Anon Reply:

    “Unlike the most of us, he’s not anonymous. I suspect he has enough trouble as it is, even without being connected (in minds of certain people) to any criminal acts.”

    Criminal eh? Explain this inconsistency:

    (1) Nick chimps out over some skinhead prole killing one woman and the responses here (many of which aren’t even that bad).

    (2) In the past he suggests things like “Dr Gno” courses of action, including using false vacuum events as a deterrent in conflict, which would destroy everything (LOL).

    It seems Nick only disagrees with killing when it is not sufficiently clever, and done by people he thinks are idiots. Sophisticated criminality and universal horror is his whole shtick. The similarity here between Stalin’s quote on tragedy-statistics and Nick’s crypto-marxist accelerationist past (that lots of the more naive fanboys here ignore) are of course a “pure coincidence”. The death of one leftist and reaction to it is worth three posts in a row. Killing humanity in clever, scientific ways is worthy of a life long career in philosophy and tech-comm éminence grise.

    inb4 some johnny-come-lately whines about muh consequentialism as an excuse, while ignoring the military geography of Nick’s whole near-future exit plan whose geography lacks strategic depth and ignores loss-of-strength gradients and PGM tech.

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    Ahote Reply:

    Latter is a piece of fiction, former really happened. If Elon Musk got his hands on ICBMs and threatened to nuke America’s most populous cities we would see where his heart lies (of course, that’s not going to ever happen).

    Anon Reply:

    @ahote

    Dismissing it as “fiction” is a category error, since it’s a course of action and means. Strategy is grounded in courses of action that are actual or potential. Writing off some potential pathway as fiction: 1. ignores the other inter-related elements within the strategic outlook of Nick Land (usually not explicitly made since when I’ve asked him in the past to do so, he ignores it), and 2. what it metaphysically means to be a fictional object.

    For (2), that is something you haven’t backed up, so I’m not even going to critique it, since you haven’t given an argument for it. For (1), these include some objective (in this case, deterrence), with multiple courses of action (potential or actual), followed by select means within the pathway (in the above example I gave: a weaponized cosmological catastrophe. That’s not the only thing he’s suggested). Nick has shown by these suggestions that he is ok with whatever means and courses of action to reach his goals. Again, he is totally ok with sophisticated criminality and universal horror, which was the original point. This is who he is. A hairless chimp with a knife that stabs a lady is distastefully unaesthetic and prole-ish. A Bond villain who can destroy humanity is an ally, or someone who can instantiate Nick’s glorious vision. It’s no wonder he is a /lit/ meme.

    inb4 someone says something about the objective (deterrence) being the key issue here, thus making the means and COA not coming into actuality by threat only. See the entire of Payne’s The Great American Gamble: Deterrence Theory and Practice from the Cold War to the Twenty-First Century for a retort on deterrence, especially Schelling’s theories of deterrence underpinned by uncertainty (“the threat that leaves something to chance”). Which seems to fly in the face of Moldbug’s original assertions in his formalist manifesto about pinning down uncertanity, given its ties to violence. Additionally, there is a lot of skepticism in the literature by practicing strategists about deterrence. As Colin Gray states, “The difference between the general theory of strategy and even the general theory of deterrence is that the latter is highly speculative, while the former rests solidly literally on millennia of historical evidence of varying quality. This history‐based general theory of strategy is promoted with confidence because it has been tested by a mountain of historical experience and by the spilling of an ocean of blood.” So Land’s suggestive Bond villain LARPing with globe-spanning or spacetime-spanning WMDs doesn’t have much backing in terms of certainty for it being a deterrent.

    Ahote Reply:

    What it metaphysically means to be a fictional object? It means that it won’t cost him his job. Like I said, I don’t doubt he finds it utterly repulsive, but so do many other people on the far-right, except others don’t feel the need to comment on it. On the other hand, he’s absolutely right that people cheering this cannot be allies – loose cannons cannot be trusted.

    Anon Reply:

    No, I’m asking you how exactly (2) above is a fictional object (a “fiction”). You’ve stated there is something about it in some metaphysical sense that it doesn’t exist. When clearly he’s outlined a specific strategy (ends-potential means-potential ways) involving it (I’m not saying it is the only one, but the one I’ve picked out). Further, that this strategy that supports his political vision — not only undermined by actual data, history, and strategic theory we have on his assumptions about deterrence (at a minimum a “loose nuclear cannon”), but also in contradiction to Moldbug’s formalism — is on such a scale that it could potentially involve the deaths of hundreds of thousands, or the destruction of everything. Yet here he is whining about one death carried out by a rival degenerate political vision, and whining about people complaining about it (while calling people whiners who call him out). Then there are people like you saying he’d be worried about being associated with criminal acts. I’d call that a pretty big inconsistency considering the scope of his own grandiose plans. But I’m sure the CCRU, nihilist, jacobin-reading, dionysian fanboys that LARP as Apollonian, Gordon Gekko, Java developers will find a way to make excuses for it as they have done since the very beginning. Chris B. is right about that.

    As to the claim that the fictional aspects are synonymous with costing him his job. There are a handful of strategic or political theorists on the planet that combine normative talk of strategic weapon’s systems with what could be construed as “anti-American” sentiment. I can’t think of any in academia that matter. And I imagine all the others either have economic sanctions on them, are closely watched (Dugin), or are in CIA black sites. So he has more to worry about than his job, once the powers-that-be find his little “fictional” forays.

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  • michael Says:

    http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-role-of-trolling.html#more

    silly me i actually went over to the alternativeright theyre actually called that and found a thoughtful article that references a couple more all on this subject

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  • Tentative Joiner Says:

    The comment you’ve linked to is potent. If I were an entryist trying
    to subvert the outer right by poisoning its memeplex I am
    not sure I could craft a better one for the purpose. The mutation it carries is perfectly posed to spread throughout the population before its long-term effects become clear.

    But it’s not all bad. I think the latest discussion shows that having a cost to holding NRx views (cognitive, monetary or, worst of all, status — which is what is at stake in the present case) will limit entry. It’s like hashcash for monkey wetware.

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    anon Reply:

    What’s the cost to Nick’s signaling? Declaring on twitter that he disapproves of prole white criminals and people with nazi avatars on facebook, is this somehow a brave moral stand, with costs to his status? Are there cognitive costs to coming up with it?

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    Anon Reply:

    “What’s the cost to Nick’s signaling?”

    If he doesn’t signal, then he can no longer play the online Bond villain version of Gordon Gekko, which means his plans to accelerate capitalism fail.

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    anon Reply:

    Yeah, but you mentioned it in the context of signaling costs.

    ” I think the latest discussion shows that having a cost to holding NRx views (cognitive, monetary or, worst of all, status — which is what is at stake in the present case) will limit entry”

    Anybody can enter when the price is condemning some crazed prole shooter.

    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    >What’s the cost to Nick’s signaling?

    Being unpopular with his own comments section.

    >Anybody can enter when the price is condemning some crazed prole shooter.

    It is cheap signaling for cuckservatives but it becomes costly countersignaling (Nth order meta-contrarianism) when you are far right.

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    anon Reply:

    You’re missing the point. Tentative is suggesting that the point of this signaling is that it blocks entryists. We’re talking about people who are NOT Nick Land.

    As for Nick, it also has no effect. As you imply with your sarcastic cursive of the word unpopular, this isn’t having the effect of blocking anybody from the blog, in fact it’s causing alt-right people to swarm to Nick’s blog (which he seems quite happy with).

    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    @anon:
    >You’re missing the point.
    Me (the one you’ve replied to) being Tentative complicates your suggestion that I might be missing Tentative’s point, though I acknowledge that it is not inherently impossible.

    I understood the comment by anon (June 19th, 2016 at 9:08 pm), who may or may not be you — pseudonymity can be confusing, as saying that Nick is signaling at no cost to himself. In my reply, I expressed disagreement with that, perhaps poorly. My point is that there is a cost to expressing Nick’s position and that cost is unpopularity with the alt-right visitors to this blog as measured by their attitude in the comments, not page views. The italics (RIP, my microjoke!) were to suggest a play on the word “unpopular” as “low-status” and “unpopular” as in “the opposite of popular representation [such as Hitlerism]”.

    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    “Being unpopular with his own comments section.”

    That’s not a cost.

    He has been getting yelled at by most of his comment section since the beginning.

    Presumably, he likes it.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Win first, tidy up after.

    That happens to be combat first aid, never mind politics.

    The price of survival is victory and nothing less. A just peace is not justly considered until victory is both inevitable and in sight.

    As far as it being ugly welcome to politics, and war.

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  • JRM Says:

    If anything, this contretemps proves that highly intelligent people can resort to taking useful concepts, like high/low time preferences, and use them simply as blunt objects to beat their perceived (sometimes quite erroneously) enemies with.

    So anyone who wasn’t appalled by Tommy was a high-time preference thug, and anyone who was appalled by Tommy was a cowardly nerd hiding behind low-time preference elitism. I do feel that the driver of much of the aggression came down to aesthetic preferences, though not many seemed to realize that.

    Look around the comments to see other nice, relatively complex notions, the kind that allow-nay are designed- for high ambiguity tolerance, being employed as e-sticks and e-stones.

    If I’m choosing sides, I’ll throw in with the barbarians. I wasn’t moved by the “but this was a woman! And she was unarmed!!” contingent. On the contrary, the action-oriented crowd made some great points, and were less sentimental overall. And we can see where sentimentality has gotten us all too easily. Hashtag MP LIVES MATTER. The “maybe the entire incident had been better ignored by admin” side has the moral high-ground here-ironic, isn’t it?

    And very instructive. Great opportunity for self-definition; too often a sad example of talking past each other though, and all sides had their weaker moments. And to think, the admin got it all rolling with a post that served the same function of the sign a storekeeper posted in his window about the Jo Cox incident which had unspooled outside his shop.

    These posts and comments should be saved somewhere for use when people study the dynamics of internet communication.

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  • The_Dancing_Judge Says:

    I’m pretty sure that most alt-righter’s that read admin actually do not understand how deep his anti-humanism is, didnt grasp the dark enlightenment essays. The average reactionary still cares about his kids and his people. Tentacle faced children born 200 years from now from a test tube with an IQ of 3,000 is not something that motivates most people – even those who call themselves NRXers.

    The alt-rgiht offers something that Dad who is worried about the next 50 years can get behind. The situation appears so bad that if it takes the form of neo-nazism…..Dad is willing to take it. Therefore: no enemies to the right.

    The goal for most reactionaries isnt 1,000 of civilization for an intelligence explosion, its 100 years of civilization so johnny doesnt grow up to be a fag and doesnt get mugged by a dindu – to use the local speak.

    It’s sad but NRX isn’t as popular is it was thought. Alt-right is much more popular.

    I also think that admin is being shit tested and failing hard.

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    admin Reply:

    MY principle metric is blog traffic. (I can assure you that isn’t “failing hard”.)

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    Quint Essential Reply:

    I’d have figured you wouldn’t need the click income/ego swelling from here. Not that I’m unhappy either, it makes for a nice change to see 500+ comments on the front page.

    However, I thought you were against the silly demotic style of thinking. Why should we go for quality, after all, 500 (prole) minds are better than 5!! (Even if those five are Aristotle, Nietsche, Plato, Musk and Satoshi?)

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    And then there are those of us who are scratching our heads wondering how the fuck is acceding to the imperative of the Grand Intelligence Suppressor conducive to intelligence optimisation. To which his excuse, In essence:

    “I’m aping Gawker, lol clickbait”

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    anon Reply:

    I don’t think that’s what ticks Nick’s heart. “Muh Traffic” is a post-hoc rationalization, after a good night’s sleep.

    What moved Nick was a basic, human loathing for the Outgroup. He hates British proles.

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    I don’t care what ticks Nick’s heart.

    admin Reply:

    I challenge anyone with a website to tell me they’re indifferent about their traffic stats. Yesterday was by far the best single day in the history of XS, in raw quantitative terms (5,234 visits).

    anon Reply:

    Post-hoc.

    You didn’t write your original post expecting this.

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  • michael Says:

    And thats because Dads like me on fathers day no less realize octopus faces with 300 IQs that my grandaughter will buy and pay for with my money and crispr over my germline still wont transcend chimphood just really really really smart chimps, its chimps all the way up. But in order for any of that to happen first i gotta survive these other chimps ambitions

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  • JRM Says:

    The goal for most reactionaries isnt 1,000 of civilization for an intelligence explosion, its 100 years of civilization so johnny doesnt grow up to be a fag and doesnt get mugged by a dindu – to use the local speak.

    Well said. I think that’s a nice encapsulation of the divergence between highly theoretical social scientists and practical men with two feet on the ground.

    I know which group I’d rather find myself among when, as they say, TSHTF.

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  • JRM Says:

    The goal for most reactionaries isnt 1,000 of civilization for an intelligence explosion, its 100 years of civilization so johnny doesnt grow up to be a fag and doesnt get mugged by a dindu – to use the local speak.
    Well said. I think that’s a nice encapsulation of the divergence between highly theoretical social scientists and practical men with two feet on the ground.
    I know which group I’d rather find myself among when, as they say, TSHTF.
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    Sorry Dancing Judge I somehow omitted your name in my quote block. All credit due.

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  • Asher Says:

    Okay, admin, here’s a challenge:

    Define “Nazi”. Your definition should be A) unitary B) coherent C) non-tautological D)succinct (let’s say 30 words or fewer).

    Here’s my definition of “nazi”: a member of a political party that existed in German until 1945.

    Ergo, there is no such thing as an extant Nazi. Those people who call themselves Nazis? They’re LARPing. I can no more be a Nazi than I can be a Immoral of the Persian Emperor Xerxes. Now, it is certainly plausible that there is a better definition of “nazi” than mine but it is up to someone else to provide one.

    Batter up

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    admin Reply:

    Why aren’t you asking “Salvador Zarco” this question? He’s the one most starkly insisting that “the ‘altright’ is essentially a neo-nazi movement.”

    My definition (already many times repeated): An ethno-bolshevik.

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    Asher Reply:

    Living in Seattle, I have many acquaintances who sometime cite famous thinkers, drool on the carpet and often fantasize about holding a bloody knife in their hands. They have an odd fixation on Bernie Sanders. I point out to them that all real socialism (read: bolshevism) is, in practice, national socialism (read: ethno-bolshivism). JS Mill pointed out that in the modern world only two things stirred men’s spirits: socialism and nationalism. Wouldn’t you know it, they’re the same thing.

    If anarchism is the logical opposite of nationalism and capitalism is the logical opposite of socialism then we have a world at war between national socialism and anarcho-capitalism. Of course, most of human history is, empirically speaking, ethno-bolshevism so anarcho-capitalism would be an abberation, something genuinely new.

    Zarco’s position would be something like the following: every other group’s nature is nazi because we’re all nazis, therefore, we might as well jump in the nazi game and be nazis like everyone else. Anything besides nazism is nonsustainable because it goes against nature.

    At first glance that doesn’t seem unreasonable to me (open to being wrong).

    That said, if nature changes and there are genuine non-nazis whose nature is not ethno-bolshevism then what is to be done with the 99.99 percent of the population who are nature nazis? What is your final solution for them?

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    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    >Anything besides nazism is nonsustainable because it goes against nature.

    This claim seems to assume a universal human nature, which means that it ignores, among other things, the Hajnal line. As admin said before,

    >If only you could do White Nationalism without white people, it would sweep the planet.

    Asher Reply:

    Replace “ethno” with “nationalism” and “socialism” with “bolshevism” and you simply have the following tautology: nazism is national socialism Doesn’t mean anything, it’s a tautology. Gimme something real. Put some meat on those bones

    How about giving definition of nazism that is between 10 and 30 words.

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    admin Reply:

    “Doesn’t mean anything” — It’s what it says it is. That means plenty.

    Asher Reply:

    Sorry, it does not. “ethno bolshevism” is just a clever way of saying “national socialism” without the loaded emotive associations. You need to come up with something far more substantive if you want to give it serious intellectual heft.

    “national socialism is ethno bolshevism” is emotively loaded, mindless wordplay.

    Clever? Exceedingly. Serious? About as serious as a flaming iceberg.

    Asher Reply:

    “It’s what it says it is. That means plenty.”

    The entire history of Western ideas involves questioning the notion that something is what is say it is. If I told you I were a ham sandwich would you order me on rye with mayo? Would saying that make me non-kosher?

    admin Reply:

    Nazism is not ethno-bolshevist because it says it is. It’s ethno-bolshevist, and says it is.

    Asher Reply:

    Drooling

    Carpet

    Dont make me say it

    Grayscale Plaid Reply:

    Passive-aggressive much? It wasn’t “Salvador Zarco” who gave this it’s own entry on the blog, after all. Compare “If you fools aren’t prepared to do any spade work on your own Augean Stables, others are going to have to” -> “The Alt-Right isn’t my estate, so I’m certainly not going to do its housekeeping.” So if the Alt-Right isn’t your estate, how about you leave them alone to LARP in peace while you go about designing robo-Jesus, or whatever it is you do in your spare time? Or are you demanding that they reconfigure themselves to suit your sensibilities, because reasons?

    “The alt-right is very dangerous. When attacked, it defends itself.” [I’m not tolerating idiot false attributions on my own blog.]

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    admin Reply:

    Hyper-sensitive much.

    “NRx isn’t the Alt-Right.”
    “Why don’t you just leave us alone?”

    I thought you guys were trolling the shit out of me so hard that I was begging for mercy? Now you want to go home and sob quietly, undisturbed? It’s difficult to keep up.

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  • Asher Says:

    erm, *Immortal*

    (also, I am aware that the term translated by the Greeks as “immortal” was probably understood as “companion” in Persian but that mistranslation is more famliar to pretty much everyone today)

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  • Asher Says:

    If your definition of “nazi” is just “someone vicious and brutal” then that means that nazism has been the standard state of our species for 99.99 percent of our history. Sure, it meets the criteria for a good definition, but it doesn’t really explain anything.

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  • Asher Says:

    Here’s another way of looking at it Tommy Mair *was* LARPing when he shot Jo Cox. He really didn’t belong anywhere in this world and that world forced LARPing on him. Sometimes LARPing ends up with kids with weird makeup doing inexplicable things in public. Sometimes it ends in slaughter. When one has no place left in this world what is there left to do except to LARP?

    You seem to imply that the people “drooling on the carpet with a bloody knife” have some place else to be. Do they? If they do, then I think it’s up to someone to explain why, hell, why they’re not already there. If they don’t, then I think it’s up to someone to explain what to do with them.

    What’s your final solution for people who have nothing left to do but LARP?

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    admin Reply:

    I’m not at all suggesting they have somewhere else to be. The situation is excellent IMHO, and merely needs lucid formalization. NRx is not part of the Alt-Right. Deepen and dramatize the boundaries. Mission accomplished.

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    Asher Reply:

    “the situation is excellent” begs the question of “for what?”. Be specific. You are playing boy about the object of reference.

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    Asher Reply:

    *playing coy*

    Jesus, I should not be commenting drunk after playing 3 hours of soccer

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    chimp Reply:

    It comes down to classic Fight or Flight survival reactions.

    The Alt-Righters will see flight as cowardice and capitulation.

    NRXers sees fight as pointless chaos.

    Admin at least is practicing what preaches. It doesn’t get much more flight than relocating to the Middle Kingdom.

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  • Asher Says:

    fwiw, there’s nothing inherently wrong with playing coy. I do it frequently. It does, however, backfire with some audiences. Play coy all you want. Just don’t get caught doing it.

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  • Asher Says:

    I have a friend who calls himself a communist. I tell him that there’s no such thing and that he’s a nazi because, hey, we’re all nazis, by our very nature. The only difference between a a nazi and a communist is that the communist deludes himself into thinking that he is above the “ethno” in “ethno bolshevism”. So, if “ethno bolshevism’ is the reality and “bolshevism” is the ideality, then, a committed realist would take nazism over communism without a second thought. Of course, this assumes that we are all naturally ethno bolshevists.

    If some of us are not ethno-bolshevists and we manage to get power the question becomes what do we do with the ethno bolshevists who, I remind you, are 99.99 percent of the population. Do you have a final solution for them?

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    admin Reply:

    Separation, obviously.

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  • Asher Says:

    Guess what? The world is already run by anarcho-capitalists (read: those who are not ethno bolshevists). Who do you think Davos Man is, after all? Davos Man is just anarcho-capitalism and the rest of us are the little ethno bolshevists he manages because he needs us until he has the technology to dispense with us.

    Yarvin’s passivism is too cute by half. He wants exit? To where? He already has an exit. That exit is to be subsume into Davos man and leave the other 99.99 percent behind. Does that sound harsh? Okay, with whom does he want to exit? You talk of exit. With whom do you want to exit? Has anyone ever asked you that? Did Tommy Mair want to exit? Pretty sure he did.

    Isn’t the solution to let Davos Man have his pound of flesh and leave the rest of us in peace as the little ethno bolshevists we really are? Just asking the question.

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  • Asher Says:

    Separation? With what methods?

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    admin Reply:

    Geopolitical fragmentation, secession, exotic experimental state social-technologies (‘seasteading’), space colonization, Patchwork formation … what the hell do you think this blog has been about since it started?

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  • Asher Says:

    @admin

    “Nazism is not ethno-bolshevist because it says it is. It’s ethno-bolshevist, and says it is.”

    Begging the question of why. I can answer that question. Nazism is ethno nationaism because that is the evolved nature of our species, generally. The communist? Yeah, he’s probably a nazi. The liberal? A nazi, too. Why don’t they appear exactly as the guys in the mid 20th century with lightening symbols on grey uniforms? Because they are sated with hoedonism. Take that sating hedonism away and it’s “light the ovens”.

    Are there non ethnobolshevists? Sure. Where are they? Running multi-national corporations. Guess what, the world is already run by non ethno bolshevists managing a world overwhelmingly populated by ethno boshevists. You want exit? Guess what? This *is* exit. This world we currently live in is what exit looks like.

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    admin Reply:

    Very partially. The ethno-bolshevists still have capital chained-up quite tightly. If you don’t think that’s true, it’s because you’re not seeing what a contemporary laissez-faire capitalism would look like (no one can, except vaguely — it’s essentially experimental).

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    Asher Reply:

    @ admin

    ” you’re not seeing what a contemporary laissez-faire capitalism would look like (no one can, except vaguely — it’s essentially experimental).”

    the is correct in the particular. However, in the general, I am quite certain that most of the people I know and love have no place there and do not belong there. You are asking me to choose between them. BTW, I would reference you semi coded writing about the telos of a cybernetic society. If someone like me has problems with such questions how terrifying do you think this is to an average person.

    Yes, we cannot know exactly what that looks like. What we do know is that we have no place in that future. This has always been the problem with anarcho-capitalism.

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    admin Reply:

    “You are asking me to choose between them.” — On the contrary, the entire point of geopolitical fragmentation is avoidance of universal solutions.

    Asher Reply:

    @ admin
    On the contrary, the entire point of geopolitical fragmentation is avoidance of universal solutions.”

    At this point I have to admit I’m lost. Tommy Mair was against universalist solutions. You are against universalist solutions. I am against universalist solutions. Who the hell is the moron drooling on the carpet witht he bloody knife in his hand? I mean, If you’re just giving us a sermon about how it’s asinine to posit that ther is some specific historic ethinc group destined to rule the entire universe, then, your point is a banality.

    I’m not up to speed with all things Tommy Mair but, last I checked, he didn’t shout “the white race was destined to rule the universe as a collective goodhood”. I could be wrong.

    If the entire point is geopolitical fragmentation the only question of Tommy Mair’s action is whether or not it promotes it, correct? The most likely answer. in the long run, is that his actions are completely irrelevant. Fifty years from now Jo Cox will be no more meaningful than someone who got carjacked because of a nice stereo system. As I said in your last thread “shit happens”.

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  • Asher Says:

    @ admin

    “Geopolitical fragmentation, secession, exotic experimental state social-technologies (‘seasteading’), space colonization, Patchwork formation … what the hell do you think this blog has been about since it started?”

    These can be divided into to distinct classes: A) physical B) ideal

    Tommy Mair represents B. Elon Musk represents A. Doesn’t leave much room for the rest of us.

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  • Grayscale Plaid Says:

    [Reply]admin Reply:June 20th, 2016 at 6:08 am Hyper-sensitive much.
    “NRx isn’t the Alt-Right.”
    “Why don’t you just leave us alone?”

    When “exit” is the heart and soul of your worldview, “why don’t you leave us alone” is a very pertinent question. You started this; “Lunatic Activism” -> “Frankenstein” -> “Lets just be honest here and state the fact that the “altright” is essentially a neo-nazi movement.” Sure, you played coy on that last one by pulling the attribution from an essentially anonymous comment, but deniability becomes implausible when you’re the one who gives it it’s own post. All you had to do to not be alt-right was not be alt-right- not that you’ll ever escape the guilt-by-association of Hilterist LARPers or ol’ Adolf himself, but that’s an inevitable consequence of being remotely right-of-center. If you can’t handle that, what exactly are you doing here?

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    admin Reply:

    Stark distancing suits me. I’ve no idea why it’s a problem for you.

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    Asher Reply:

    @ admin

    “Stark distancing suits me. I’ve no idea why it’s a problem for you.”

    Because some of them are our friends and family. I have a cousin who is lesbian and had a black father. Were I to suggest excising her from our social world that would be met with protest (to put it mildly).

    That’s what you’re positing, here

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    admin Reply:

    “That’s what you’re positing, here” — That’s not remotely what I’m positing here.

    You can’t be close to everyone (and already juggle a complex set of differential attachments). Why not formalize that?

    Asher Reply:

    Most people are simply incapable of this sort of distancing. the sort that are were born that way. What do you propose to do with the vast majority of those not capable of this?

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    admin Reply:

    “What do you propose to do with …” — this question is getting ridiculous. I don’t have a plan for everyone in the world. My people (cold, tech-comm, low solidarity types) want Out. Whatever I can reasonably do to help them with that — which is, of course, not much — I’ll do. Everyone else can sort out their own destinies, individually or collectively according to taste. It’s absolutely not my problem.

    Asher Reply:

    “It’s absolutely not my problem.”

    Yes, but your mere existence makes it their problem. And that is definitely your problem.

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  • Asher Says:

    Nick,

    I used to say taht the closest historical analog to the US was the Persian Empire ca. 400 BC. That’s a little off, though. It’s as if the Persians decided to take a bunch of cattle from the Lydians and give them to the Bactrians, interminably. As long as there is peace I don’t think the Lydians mind giving the Persian overlords their pound of flesh. However, the mere existence of the Bacrians in the empire doesn’t warrant extracting from the Lydians and distributing to the Bacrians.

    it’s as if the anarcho-capitalists asynchronously decoupled from nationalism and socialism and held onto socialism a bit longer. If you want to exit from the past you have to do with evenly, without hanging onto bits and pieces to which you are emotionally attached.

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  • Asher Says:

    This conversation reminds me of when I was reading Trotsky and he was talking about the new soviet man. It was clear that he was talking about a new biological type. You have simply replaced soviet man with anarcho-capitalist man. The difference being grounded by serious empirical evidence. The biological type of the past must give way to the biological type of the future.

    It’s “racism”, although not of the traditional kind.

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  • Asher Says:

    You’d be shocked, or maybe not, how many self-described leftists/liberals I meet who envision a future world with a couple hundred million people (if that). They seem fine with that population reduction reached via random lottery. They call me a nazi when I suggest achieving it through selecting for desirable traits.

    When you advocate change you are advocating that some people lose. Always. What you are doing is calling people Nazis for resisting being on the losing end of change.

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    admin Reply:

    I’m sure you can imagine how much my heart is bleeding when I hear that.

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    Asher Reply:

    Not asking your heart to bleed. Just pointing out that they are not likely to go quietly into the night. That said, it does seem a bit churlish to call people nazis when you are simultaneously insisting they are history’s losers and have no place in the future.

    Where’s the milk of human kindness – Sterling Archer

    On a more serious note I think there is distinct evidence for an evolved instinct to gratuitous cruelty. I think this instinct is orthogonal to anything we are talking about and I think that a lot of the people who want the sort of exit you are talking about also want to rub others’ faces in it. I cam to this intuition about an instinct to cruelty many years ago and that intuition made much of human history seem much more sensible to me.

    The problem with the exit you seek is that it is sought by such a small portion of the human population that it is not possible anywhere within many lifetimes. Can technology overcome it? Possibly. For my reckoning, this is indistinguishable from a religious cult. Might things evolve as you’d like them thousands of years in the future? Sure. Maybe. Is that relevant to anything you do today? Not even remotely.

    At bottom, what you are asking for is exit from reality.

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    admin Reply:

    Hong Kong is a pretty good model. There’s no need to set the bar at full-fledged science fiction.

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  • Dividualist Says:

    There is something we keep forgetting and I keep reminding people, to not much avail. We don’t eat because we objectively need nutrients: we eat because we subjectively feel hungry. We don’t fuck because reproduction is an objective fitness advantage (requirement), we fuck because we subjectively like the pleasure. In Yud-lang, adaptation-execution not fitness-maximization. Similarly, humans don’t necessarily go for real social status but for the subjective feeling of a status trip (self esteem trip) which would be real or could be unreal. I called it “status wireheading” https://dividuals.wordpress.com/2016/04/06/tribal-competition-status-wireheading-and-its-uses/ but judging from the 0 amount of fucks about everyone gave it was probably not well put, I should call it status masturbation or something. Same thing for power – it is not actual power humans are after but the sweet subjective feel of the power trip, which may come from actual power gains or could be entirely unreal.

    Currently the Alt-Right is largely about this power masturbation. It is not even a reaction to the Left as such but more like just to SJWs: to the lower and most mentally damaged subset of the Left. It is mostly an anti-SJW Twitterforce as far as I can see. SJWs “invented” this power masturbation on Twitter and Tumblr so that they can feel like “warriors”, they can feel like they are “fighting” for justice when in reality they are not braving any bullets or punches, they are just trading words with negative emotional connotations, insults, offenses, and consider that “fighting”. They consider words like “die cis scum” or “kill all white men” to be weapons, because their negative emotional connotation feels hurtful. But it does not make them weapons, because the slight emotional pain does not actually incapacitate or knock one out of a fight. But throwing these words makes them feel strong and powerful. Power wireheading, power masturbation.

    And much of the Alt-Right, or at least the Milo-type Alt-Right seems to be reflecting this and giving them exactly the same kind of thing back. Throwing out stuff like “stop being fat” or “fags don’t care about your feelings” because the feelings hurt makes them feel more powerful. This ain’t no real fighting and the Right should understand this, no war was even won with “lol I trolled ya, sweet, sweet tears”.

    Now with an actual murder in the picture the stakes got higher and the repercussions will be dire. But I think for the Alt-Right it is still about going for the subjective feeling of power rather than orchestrating a system change. While for the Left it is about preserving the system that sustains their power and now they have an excellent excuse to crack down.

    The most important thing is that no activism can win that is not supported by part of the elites: if the military and police does not collude and look the other way, or at least if intellectuals not spread FUD amongst the military and police (see ‘Nam), the underdog always fails.

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    Asher Reply:

    The Will would rather will Nothingness than not will at all. – Nietzsche

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    Xoth Reply:

    First para, cf. proximate vs ultimate cause.

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    Erebus Reply:

    >”Now with an actual murder in the picture the stakes got higher and the repercussions will be dire.”

    What makes you think that? What stakes? What repercussions?

    The Jo Cox murder is barely front-page news at this point. Attention spans are short; it will have been forgotten about by this time next week. (Everywhere but here, that is.) There were no repercussions when Brevik slaughtered his dozens; one could even argue, very reasonably, that the response to Brevik’s deed was more or less positive insofar as the political far-right was concerned. In any case, the Jo Cox murder — the isolated murder of a vapid, low-level political functionary — changes nothing. We shall never be able to attribute any repercussions to it. Certainly not “dire” repercussions. (There’s no need for histrionics.)

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    anon Reply:

    But Erebus, didn’t you read the OP? As Nick tells us, our very survival (!) depends upon our dissociating from this gun-weilding hobo on twitter.

    If the Right succeeds at making anything out of the collapse of the reigning order, it will be because it has pacified its own fringe of lunatic activism. Unfriending that gunman on Facebook is important stuff.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    As opposed to our very survival being predicated upon the praxis of prole hip hop fans and genetic cast-offs and the non-praxis of keyboard warriors screaming at “autistic nerds” to take action as they do fuck all themselves. And the lectures about child rearing … I think admin is just letting you guys tire yourselves out.

    TheDividualist Reply:

    I think they were feeling secure back then and not looking for an excuse to clamp down, but we’ll see.

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    michael Reply:

    Actually what moldbug said was there are a lot of reasons not to do right activism only one of which was it usually wont work then he gave the nazis as a counter example that worked brilliantly and in fact made the case they were indeed right wing not left. Assuming the right has no freinds in high places is a big assumption whats more likely is everyone is afraid of the paper tiger and wont make the first move yeah sure its going to take a hell of a lot more than a few lone wolves to encourage a military coup [which MM also thought would work if it could be managed]
    Framing the cox assassination as nazi thuggery is decidedly leftist. The frame should be western nations are being invaded by a third world teeming with billions and our marxist leaders are engineering it while also engendering murderous rage in the minds of the invaders. That its unjust to treat european nations as public property. and stopping it is a matter of existential proportions to only for the european race but for the human race for as goes the west so goes the world.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Without endorsing whatever the guy’s strategy/ideology was, if any, I reject that the death of an abomination called a bureaucrat is a ‘murder’. Killing, yes, murder, by no means.

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  • Henk Says:

    SJW-ism is a wireheading-like hobby but the Cathedral is serious business. Undisciplined SJW-ism is blunting propaganda weapons that took decades to hone. In other words, SJWs are bad for business. I wouldn’t be surprised if some anti-SJW activists would turn out to have decidedly non-underdog backing.

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  • Henk Says:

    (PS: @Dividualist)

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  • Hyperstitious Says:

    I personally find it quite entertaining that calling people “neonazis” now invokes the same sort of squawking Sunday school lesson you’d receive for calling someone a “nigger” on tumblr. Per the usual, I lack a certain sense of maturity about these controversies though, and I’m sure someone will give me a good lesson in why I should take right-presenting struggle sessions seriously.

    One can always just step Outside for a breath of fresh err.

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    admin Reply:

    All the sociology lecturing about how they’re a victimized minority is quite entertaining IMHO. Makes the whiny-little-bitch aspect of it easier to take.

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  • Salvador Zarco Says:

    Nick’s AD2025:

    Nick Land and his Remnant of self-described geniuses (autism) have long since “exited” society and survive on microwavable MSG meals and high-speed Internet in their passivist enclave known as “an apartment building.” They have been hording scamcoin with his minebot for years now and Nick can finally afford to “immanentize the eschaton” and truly establish “apolitical property” with his own orbiting space-pod and “AI” (Siri).

    “Good thing I screamed that I hate literally Hitler so much back in 2016!” Nick smugly declares. “Luckily those plebs never smudged my impeccable moral reputation. It’s not like I advocate genociding 98% of the World population and handing global control over to a Comcast Corporation computer or anything!”

    A call comes in on his uPhone. It’s Thiel Corp. “Mr. Land, we have your Exitpod ready as soon as we receive payment with all the appropriate taxes and fees, since scamcoin is now US government regulated, of course.”
    “Uh… well okay. I thought those scamcoins were sovereign, but if I must. Will we be outfitted with high-speed Internet and sustainable eco-domes?”
    “No. Haha. And no. You’ll survive in a Honda-sized pod hurling haplessly around the globe until it runs out of supplies and goes plunging into the atmosphere, probably over Greenland or Siberia. That is, if you don’t get vaporized by high velocity space-junk.”
    “Oh… well what about a living unit on your Seasteading Liberty Exit Colony?”
    “Well, that’s mostly just for shipping and the untaxed scamcoin operations reserved for Mr. Thiel. But, it’s stuck in icebergs off Ushuaia right now so it’s unreachable even for our droneships. We could sell you a trip to Nova Europa or New Zealand, but it’s pretty tough to get a Chinese visa approved. Sorry!”
    “Noooooooo!!!” Yuray, a Bulgarian hacker, notices Nick’s scamcoin code on his network and promptly steals them all. They disappear into the blipchain.

    Nick awakes from his nightmare in sweats. It’s the real AD2025. The former “altright” now controls the largest political party in the USA. Although they had to make it through some hard times with the global economy and mass deportations, they’re now rebuilding productive traditional communities, articulating a culture of restoration for the 21st century after the inglorious fall of liberalism.

    Nick still lives in the polluted concrete hellscape of Shanghai. The Chinese communist party is facing bankruptcy and constant coup attempts. They round up all foreigners and deport them to Gobi Desert salt mines. A little Chinese commie pounds on his door.

    “Nihou.” Says Nick.
    “Get the fuck out.” Says the Chinaman in perfect Engrish. “Exit!”

    THE. END.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    “Largest political party”
    voting
    “fall of liberalism”
    liberalism is dead, long live liberalism
    Moar demotism is the solution? I thought you were smarter than that.
    I did enjoy the short story though, you should do more of those.

    “Granted, seasteading is a better plan than anyone else’s plan I have seen. But it is nowhere near as good as my plan – which is nowhere near good enough. Basically, everyone is understating how dire and impossible the situation is. Probably even me.” -MM

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    anon Reply:

    Hold the fucking phone. MM has written up a plan? Where?

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    Salvador Zarco Reply:

    Ha. Didn’t say vote.

    But there is an interesting habit amongst the kooky “nrx” to notice any characteristic resembling liberalism and then come to the conclusion that anything associated with that characteristic is balls-out full blown leftist-liberal universalism.

    But… the dumb story is what humans call “a joke.”

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  • Wen shuang Says:

    @Salvador Zarco

    I like the part about the alt right “building” and “articulating”

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  • Salvador Zarco Says:

    @Wen shuang

    Glad you liked it Shuang.

    Ya, everything up to that point was real. The part about white men being capable of building or articulating is obviously fiction.

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    wenshuang Reply:

    Fingers crossed the whites that alt are the whites that build

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  • John Hannon Says:

    NRx and Alt-Right – less in common with each other than the things that divide them (to paraphrase Jo Cox).

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  • Chris B Says:

    I love how admin is making wild statements that so obviously contradict Moldbug 180 degrees in the most intellectually destitute ways (just ignores the arguments while being aware of them “huh huh muh god king” “uhhuhu muh king knut” “uhuh muh republicanism could work”) then claims Nazis are lowering the intellectual level. Seriously. And the the little coterie of followers (Ahote etc) who back admin up despite being fully aware of his epic ju jitsu of Moldbug (again in an appalling intellectual barren way) are embarrassing. Probably not as embarrassing as the rest of “neroeaction” who just jump on the whole issue with zero idea of what Moldbug’s argument was at all. Non of neoreaction has a clue. Intellectual waste of space. I don’t see how it can be termed a political school of thought being so stupid and incoherent.

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    Ahote Reply:

    >little coterie of followers (Ahote etc)

    I take issue with this, I’m no member of LandBrand.

    >who back admin up

    Did I in fact back him up? Not once have I mention “unarmed” or “woman” in any of my comments.You must agree that things like this killing are very counterproductive. I do think admin’s sentiment is exactly right, under normal circumstances (your dream reactionary despotate), would you want subjects who would dare raise a hand against a member of the ruling class? You of all people should know there’s right and wrong way to do violence – Pinochet yup, Breivik no-no.

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    admin Reply:

    Don’t let him wind you up. Just chant “Say no to Imperium in imperio! One Fnargl to rule us all!” and he’ll get off your case.

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  • fascist asshole Says:

    I am a Race Realist by morning, and in the sunny dew of the heat I jog and smile at the dogs as they pass, and in the afternoon I listen to the Wu Tang Clan and Herr Max Roach, and in the evening I listen to David Duke’s Youtube video about Jews, and at night I watch Lebron James win, and then later I hit a pipe and read neoreactionary comment threads. In the morning I’ll feel sorry for reading stuff about IQ and race and I’ll beat myself up for being such a racist guy, and then I’ll probably read more of it while eating organic yogurt and berries for my Chinese future.Ultimately I just want to get laid. Oh well! Wasn’t in the stars. I guess maybe I should put down the realism and meditate for world peace.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    “… meditate for world peace.”

    Can’t do any harm, can it?
    For about the past 9 months now I’ve been doing what this bloke recommends –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ELc4vPBxMs

    Just 20 minutes every morning before breakfast (unless I’ve got a hangover) and the world becomes a more chilled and peaceful place (or at least the bit inside my cranium does).
    Tommy Mair should have given it a try.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    If you’re not getting laid, it’s because you’re listening to David Duke instead of Jonathan Bowden.

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  • JRM Says:

    Asher Reply:
    June 20th, 2016 at 4:51 am

    Asher, you made some very valid points in your string of posts; I agreed with much of what you were saying, and I sympathize with your efforts to hold admin to some consistent seriousness about implication and conclusions from his recent statements.

    I must offer, in a spirit of friendship, a small critique of one part of your argument development. I will give your quotes interspersed with my misgivings, to wit:

    “… that all real socialism (read: bolshevism)”

    -Not exactly the same-

    “… is, in practice, national socialism…”

    -In terms of practice and administration, perhaps, to the extent it is planned and executed within sovereign boundaries; but not necessarily in the spirit of
    classical nationalism- e.g., modern Europe.

    “… (read: ethno-bolshivism). JS Mill pointed out that in the modern world only two things stirred men’s spirits: socialism and nationalism. Wouldn’t you know it, they’re the same thing.”

    -A nice aphorism, but it conceals some important historical distinctions-

    “If anarchism is the logical opposite of nationalism…” Not precisely but close enough-

    “… and capitalism is the logical opposite of socialism…” -No, not necessarily, in fact many accommodations for interplay are available for analysis in 20th c. history-

    “… then we have a world at war between national socialism and anarcho-capitalism. Of course, most of human history is, empirically speaking, ethno-bolshevism so anarcho-capitalism would be an abberation, something genuinely new.”

    Due to some inherent flaws in the build-up, the conclusion is not entirely sound. However, you are certainly correct in that anarcho-capitalism is a modern (or possibly post-modern) development.

    I think we have to be careful in our use of the word “socialism”, as it is not a monolithic concept, but rather a sliding scale of available economic tools, some of which are used for reasons unrelated to pure economics, some of which are purely economic.

    Likewise “nationalism” can carry varying weights depending on subject population and leadership dynamics. It can even be used as cover for anti-native population social engineering, as Jo Cox could have explained when asked about the importance of the idea of Britain.

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    Asher Reply:

    I’m quite aware of the broadbrush strokes I was using, hell, in another context I’d have made the same response as you made. I was simply responding in kind to the definition of “nazism as ethno-bolshevism”.

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  • an inanimate aluminum tube Says:

    ““You are asking me to choose between them.” — On the contrary, the entire point of geopolitical fragmentation is avoidance of universal solutions.”

    But you believe that if you can be left alone long enough, you’ll do something with technology (singularity) that will impose a universal / final solution on the rest of humanity.

    And so the other 99% of humanity has every incentive to make sure that you remain locked in here with them.

    No exit.

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    admin Reply:

    True enough. (If I didn’t expect war, I’d be a libertarian.)

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  • Mariani Says:

    Holy shit, who linked here?

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    anon Reply:

    AFAIK, nobody has linked. If you’re a regular, you’ll recognize the commenter names. We’re mostly long-time readers who’ve reacted negatively to admin’s latest few posts saying that our very survival depends on counter-signaling right-wing violence on twitter. Most of us feel that ignoring it is more tactically sound.

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    pedanticmoron Reply:

    Survival doesn’t depend on counter-signalling right-wing violence on Twitter. It depends upon (a) right-wing violence not happening in the first place, or (b) being so low profile that nobody even knows you’re far right.

    This kind of stuff is actively harmful to any sort of Rx (be it N or otherwise) political goals. Ignoring it won’t make it go away, you’re still going to be a bunch of Evil Racists whether you flinch or not.

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    anon Reply:

    Ignoring it won’t make it go away. Counter-signaling it won’t make it go away.

    Counter-signaling will, however, show that you need to counter-signal it. While doing nothing to help.

    Does Obama counter-signal BLM? No. That would be a mistake.

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  • jon king Says:

    Seriously. How the f**k is killing a defenceless woman in the street, anything, apart from cowardice / pathetic / impotent (you can imagine a beautifully media stylised poster image of his underused / flaccid cock) and medium / long term outcome retarded.

    Watch the pictures / soundbites of her family / her children / friends over the last few days. Watch the pictures / soundbites in parliament today and all the cathedral news coverage and realise any wavering minds that could have been influenced in the actual sense of the meaning of propaganda, have been turned backwards / sideways by such i(n)(s)anity.

    (B)REMAIN will now by default, no doubtedly win and the image of stupid / shaved / sad exponents of lets put Britain first (in supposed cahoots with TM) will have been pissed on into the gutter even further by the smiling smug political and middle classes.

    As for the common people it is still always going to veer towards negative horror and for anyone else mildly more (darkly) enlightened it is always going to be fundamentally and misguidedly pointless. The talk here of her and her offspring as something more (abhorrent / enemy combatants) than they are seems wayward at very best.

    For most people (at least in the cyclic constructed news narrative that is now running) she exemplified positivity beyond what is considered elite / selfish mainstream politics. And surely would there be much more common / better / impactful targets should you have to feel that way inclined.

    Though of course we would definitely never agree on her leftist tactics and even less so where she might want to get to. but seriously you have to be as thick as f**k (and very few of the comments on here would suggest this) to think or hope that this ‘assassination’ (and I use the term that gives way too much more credibility to what happened) actually meant or even less so, will achieve anything apart from negatively.

    As for violence as political action. Of course there will be some that never felt that way and like anything they should have their exit rather than voice. and yet there will be others that have ‘fought’ on both sides and who worn their respective uniforms as we have stomped about in the streets. Again completely f**king pointless and I have felt just as nauseated siding with / listening to the anakists and socialist workers tooled up sat in the back of vans as I have reading the inane hatred and narrowed bandwidth viewpoints sometimes espoused here.

    I am coming into this late but aren’t NRX / alt right supposed to be just that?

    While there may or may not be any enemies to the right there are many friends to many other vectors that you seriously run the risk of alienating with the same ignorance and stupidity that history and violent political struggle is littered with by the endless debris of and in the end endless failed / disappointed revolutions.

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    Xoth Reply:

    So what, it had nothing to do with NRx or the alt right either. The cathedral is simply exploiting a crisis to bully their enemies and you’re excitedly watching from the doorway. That’s all. It will happen again.

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    anon Reply:

    Not just watching from the doorway.

    Loudly shouting “yep, the media are right, this in on us” helps the media.

    Getting up on a box and declaring that you dissociate yourself from the white murderer (whom you thereby admit is “your” murderer) does nothing positive, and plenty negative. It reveals a pathetic character, and it is a tactical misstep, brought on by emotional incontinence.

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    jon king Reply:

    Our murderer. Have you looked at him? He aint my f**king murderer and that aint got a thing to do with lack of colour.. not wanting to be shallow but he would probably struggle on the most derivative of grindr / tindr apps most wanted.

    how do you not get the same sense of nausea and despair when you look at him as always is the case when they reel out mug shots of the best hit list of all the KKK / german(e) images etc proclaiming the people that constitute the ‘master race’. shouldn’t you think , really. No really. Look at them. How can even inbreeding explain this. And that’s before any psychological assessment has be done.

    Would we really want his (their) genes impregnating every (blonde) white women he could as it would take an imagination of the most exquisitely inclined to think that that would advance the species no end.

    Your (and I use the alt right term loosely) derisive talk of niggers / gays / drug users blah frigging blah. Ha ha. as has always been the the way with such poison we drink it up and piss it out as champagne. laughing not only that you have missed the bowel movements, but the point of diversion entirely.

    As for tactics. Fair enough. I am in the doorway looking at the your view of the right (a viable alternative) and laughing hysterically / incontinently to myself. all the while shouting (like you) I don’t give a f**k what the media think. but if they are now going present their hero against ours (as the last few days have played out). Not only have we lost badly. We should have been drug tested and disqualified a long time ago.

    as for (pathetic) character… please remind me of my motivation because some of some of us are struggling with the the tired and inane script you keep blandly churning out.

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  • Mara Says:

    Wouldn’t it be fantastical if, say a week before the elections, a 85 IQ Trump-supporting Neo-Nazi managed to assassinate Barack Hussein Obama? Wouldn’t that be hilarious?

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    anon Reply:

    According to Mencius Moldbug, the only pertinent question is: what is the effect?

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    Xoth Reply:

    Only if said assassination happened in the New York Times building, by blowing it up, subsequently freeing the land to be exploited by a Trump corporation. You really would need the proverbial heart of stone not to laugh.

    On consideration, the same dumb Neo-Nazi blowing up Harvard as Obama on live TV ascends to be President of that more important institution would also be pretty funny. I’ll accept that scenario as hilarious too.

    But seriously, NRx will of course need both New York Times and Harvard to implement its agenda. Perhaps Obama will be needed too. So it’s not funny at all.

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  • Skilluminati Says:

    “LOL HOW CAN ADMIN CLAIM TO SUPPORT INTELLIGENCE OPTIMIZATION WHEN HE DOESN’T EVEN AGREE WITH ME”

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  • Mild Troll Says:

    NRx (tech-comm) is too edgy for the alt-right. They probably still think Dr.Land is signalling to the left with these posts.

    Racism kills the progressive. Racism is more selective than universalism.
    Antihumanism kills the white nationalist. Antihumanism is more selective than racism.

    BUT WHAT ABOUT BLONDE WOMEN IN WHEAT FIELDS, YOU BIGOT?!

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  • Lucian Says:

    Congrats on an exceptionally dank week, @admin.

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  • anon2 Says:

    This whole thing is hilarious: A bunch of white Identitarians implicitly celebrating a white murdering another white. Maybe whites really are suicidal.

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    Lucian Reply:

    He who trolls cucks should take care that he does not become a cuck.

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