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I think Peter Thiel supports Donald Trump because he believes it’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to weaken America’s attachment to democratic government.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Ending democracy is a worthy goal in itself, and implies an entirely different philosophy of civilization which will gradually invoke the rest of the necessary aspects of a healthy civilization (hierarchy, nationalism, no socialism, religion).

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “[21/11/2012 01:24] [redacted]: well I have to tell you.. Americans love conflict
    [21/11/2012 01:24] [redacted]: it’s their main diet
    [21/11/2012 01:25] [redacted]: they will interpret and bend anything you present into a form which they then can attack and bend it back round to a political semanatic
    [21/11/2012 01:26] [redacted]: did you see what Blix did with charity recently .. earlier ?
    [21/11/2012 01:26] [redacted]: thats the degree these people go to to wind themselves round their political poles”

    Not my words, but in all honesty, it would be difficult to disagree with them.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Brett, what´s with the word ‘Nationalism’; most people associate it with a flat prole identity?

    How was civilization Nationalistic until after la Révolution française (1789-1798)?

    The ruling class of Europe, the aristocracy, certinaly was not nationalistic, until after that revolution, which good thinkers have called a catastrophy.

    Knaphni, yes, that´s accurate, but this applied to Rome as well. What sort of a ‘Reactionary’ site is this?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I’ve already stated that Neoreactionaries (& ‘reactionaries), are inferior.

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    Caesarian Corpus Christi Reply:

    Inferior to what, Ultracapitalists?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    To everyone else. lol

    Peter Thiel´s praetorian guard Reply:

    That was a comment almost devoid of information, Knaphni.

    What then draws you to a NRx site? Just curious, I do enjoy your posts, typically.

    NRx is obviously not inferior to everyone else. In life what lives on (even as ideas) has the be the baseline valuability of worth, as per Darwin. Incidentally ‘worth’ is cognate with the Indo-Atlanticist concepts ‘wyrd’ & ‘verse.’

    Incidentally I don´t consider myself ‘reactionary’ any more than its opposite.

    John Hannon Reply:

    “What sort of a ‘Reactionary’ site is this?”

    A massively entertaining one.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    @MachineChrist (Peter Thiel´s praetorian guard)

    That Neoreaction is “inferior to everyone else”, is obvious every time I visit this blog & read the comments.
    You’re doing a pretty good job of showing that, too, with your attacks on their dogmas. lol

    When I’m not busy; when the strongest intellects of the insular emerge on this blog; then I’ ll destroy their arguments. Until then, they’re all doing a good job, without me. lol

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    GC Reply:

    “Ur all stupid but im not telling u why”.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Yeah, tell is why

    TheDividualist Reply:

    One reason nationalism is called a modern thing is that very often it signifies loyalty to larger, more artificial nations, not the smaller former ones: Britain, not Scotland; Spain, not Catalonia; France, not Bretagne; Germany, not Bavaria; Italy, not Lombardy; and yes, America, not Texas.

    The nobles of Normandy may have been disloyal to France, but were they disloyal to Normandy?

    The problem is one of terminology, newer and larger nations are often called nations and the smaller former ones are called everything from states to regions. But those “regions” are easily more identity-forming, roughly speaking the proper definition of a nation should depend on how far the average guy is willing to travel to find a wife i.e. based on Schelling points of in/outbreeding. This is easily measured by haplogroups or region dialects.

    Upper/lower: the kind of society where 90% is an illiterate peasant who has no idea what is happening three villages away is hardly relevant. Not everything from the past is an instruction. The relevant lower class people of the past are roughly the citizens of the Italian city-states, who were educated, intelligent – and fiercely loyal and expect this from their elites as well. Look up how much patriotistic the Venetian aristrocrats were: in short, very much. Because the people were not illiterate serfs and expected it. Also because their national interests were very clearly defined.

    The basic thing to understand is that Venice was much more of a natural healthy nation that Italy. Thus, it is normal and natural that every rooted old time resident of Venice was loyal to it. Italy is a construct, hence its nationalism is an ideology and at that a modern one.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    commentator T.D. stated the following equation—{ [another reason] nationalism is called a modern thing is that very often it signifies loyalty to larger, more artificial nations } .

    Exactly.

    Since Mr. Stevens hasn´t answered these questions, one can, as it were, only assume he refers to American Nationalism & the Democratic parties of Europe. One wonders why he does not join or ally himself with, if he hasn´t alrady, the so-called Traditionalist Worker Party.

    As it were No one really cares that much about “muh struggle” anymore, nor how many years “you put in.” The age of sentiment is over.

    His call for “no socialism” might shew a rather scorn understanding of statemanship.

    ‘Socii’ are allies. No realm is without them. No regime. In one way, or an other.

    At least there´s an internal socii, and thus somewhat a soci-al-ism.

    You will feed your kids tho they work not full time.

    (muh Details …) You will pay a filosofer

    altho he makes not bricks in a wall.

    But he does so, does he not?

    He does. Build. Ideas.

    Ideains. Forms.

    Woke up.

    Did?

    U+2600

    grey enlightenment Reply:

    Capitalism, order/hierarchy are good..religion and nationalism sometimes have prole elements to them

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    The cap of the capstone of Capital

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

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    Helter Skelter, this is it, you can’t kill me I’ll exist forever

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    * [Corrected:] Helter Skelter, this is it, you can not kill me I exist forever

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Crucifixus etiam pro nobis, sub Pontio Pilato, passus et sepultus est
    Qui carni quondam contegi dignatus es pro perditis,
    Cujus latus perforatum unda fluxit sanguine
    Agnus Dei, Prince of peace

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    In those day shall men seek death, and shall not find it;
    And shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    My throat is a thousand open graves,
    thousand cataclysms, thousand open graves,
    Yes, I am the perfect image of God,
    Come hither, soul, I am the way!
    Iure divino, I am the way! Ecce signum, I am the way!

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    A new sun, O golden Death!
    The sons of the red earth must face our rays, sun of perdition,
    O dawn of ash, and there will be strange events in-
    theskiesintheskiesinthe-
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    “AGAIN!”
    The blood of Cain replies,
    I swallow the dust of a thousand deaths,
    in search for the word that can lay waste the world.

    Now let thy blood speak unto the Lord
    “MY BLOOD IS SILENT!” cried the whore,
    I inhale the song of a thousand wounds, in search for Redemption.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    YOU WOULD GIVE ANYTHING FOR  THE CUP

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    The LORD shall make the rain of thy land and powder,
    And the earth that is under thee shall be deairon.
    From heaven shall it come down upon thee,
    Until thou be destroyedI, t´s not a day
    in Hell, it´s eternity! They made
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    sue thee. Because thou
    wouldest not obey

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    the voice of the LORD thy God. (Deuteronomy 28:21-22, 62)

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Build in me, O LORD!
    and once again grant me Light,
    to fill this human void, Yes, chasten
    me with Sight! I speak wounds, and my
    blood is a tune of Death, and my word shall
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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    “Doubt of the real facts, as I must reveal them, is inevitable; yet if I suppressed what will seem extravagant and incredible there would be nothing left.” – HP Lovecraft

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

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    Posted on July 23rd, 2016 at 5:06 pm Reply | Quote
  • Ahote Says:

    Interesting thoughts on the topic by Sammuel Hammond on Twitter.

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    admin Reply:

    Just added that, before springing you from the spam queue. (So we agree, it’s interesting.)

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    OK

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  • Chris P. Michael Says:

    And it’s not a miscalculation on his part. Donald Trump’s message of “I myself as a great man will save your country and I am the only one who can do it.” has turned a party who previously valued democratic values into a party that wants the country to be “run like a business.” (An extremely common remark from even his most normie supporters.)

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    Caesarian Corpus Christi Reply:

    Businesses ≈ Corporation.
    One is reminded of Corporatism.
    Some NRx blog already called this
    the second wave of Fascism. One wonders

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    Alien Megacorp Reply:

    Perhaps the dream of the esoteric Hitlerists will come true after all.

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    Xoth Reply:

    I guess it’s not worth mentioning corporatism is already healthy, hale and here.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

     
     
    Altho not as Syndicalistic as Mussolini´s, thus not as demo-cratic—thus, arguably, more Right-wing.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation

    Chris P. Michael Reply:

    Indeed, though as a neoreactionary I’m tempted to think of Moldbug every time someone says “We just need someone to come in and run the country like a joint-stock company.”

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Indeed.

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    The Republican Party valued democratic values before Trump??? That is a total howler….

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Certainly more so than their opposition, the Democrats, party of the civil services. Not that that’s saying much. Or to imply that “democratic values” are in any way desirable in the first place.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    depends on what the demos is.

    demos are those who

    are judged.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    The RPb whatever´s needed to keep the Money Machine

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  • Apatheos Says:

    What was Thiel’s point in saying that for tech-start ups, Darwinism is less useful than intelligent design? How does this develop competitive governance as alternative to neoliberal/neoconservative politics? Developing Anglophone tradition of connectivity in disintegrative approach against political integration (cities on the sea/outer space), free from the ethno-nationalism that built up English state?

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    Britannia 2.0 as the Holy Roman Empire is a multi-ethnic complex of territories & deterritorializations, that spans the galaxy.

    “When the Jews return to Zion and a comet rips the sky, and the Holy Roman Empire rises; then you and I must die. From the eternal sea he rises, creating armies on either shore, turning man against his brother, ’til man exists no more.”
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    TheDividualist Reply:

    I think this novelty nick is sorta getting boring now.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Fuck the right off, or get used to it.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    You complain liek a womn of your own bore-dom.

    Judge, and ye be judged; fool.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Competing to conform – Straussian interpretation: Peter Thiel does not really care for Seasteading, patchwork, etc.; rather, Peter Thiel believes he should rule in absolute. (And perhaps he should…?)

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    ‘absolute’ is but an abstraction. a theoretical concept.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    there is no absolute but the absolute.

    Apatheos Reply:

    Which road to take to preserve oneself? Calling attention to facts. Thiel’s an idealist and humanist.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    thi-els also a pragma.

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    But is Thiel anti-China? Most libertarians want to expand markets, not restrict them, whereas trump wants to build a wall. There is possible some ideological conflict in having to be both nationalistic and libertarian. Thiel and Trump probably have a similar economic message but the similarities probably end there.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    It´s a balance between the Darkening (of minds & skins) and the Marketing.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    lunatics have ruled and

    deostryed. natios

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    Ahote Reply:

    Libertarianism isn’t about expanding the markets, but about property. If I own an area and want to run it as a Stalinist dictatorship it’s perfectly libertarian of me to do so, it’s my land after all!

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    Chris B Reply:

    I am no expert on Rothbard (he comes across as a lunatic to me) but I am pretty sure this does not accord with his property theories, unless there is no one but yourself on the property, which is retarded.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    { No one but yourself on the property, which is retarded. }

    It´s certainly not retarded, unless you are at the

    intellectual level of an atheist.

    Ahote Reply:

    >he comes across as a lunatic to me

    A bit rich coming from you, don’t you think? But yeah I guess, he supported child murdering, slavery, and even torture.

    >I am pretty sure this does not accord with his property theories

    You’re wrong, because you confuse Rothbardianism with Friedmanism, which is understandable because Murray Rothbard and David Friedman both called their ideology Anarcho-Capitalism.

    In case of Rothbardian anarcho-capitalism it goes like this:

    1. Total amount of land on Earth is a fixed constant.
    2. Under Rothbard’s “pure anarcho-capitalist model” all land on Earth is privately owned.
    3. By the nature of things, people who own the land, the landowners, are a very tiny minority of humans.
    4. The landless must agree to the rules, the terms and conditions, set by the landowner on whose land they’re living on, otherwise they’re, *at best*, trespassing on private property.
    5. If the landless can’t find a landowner with whom he agrees with, he is an outlaw.

    An outlaw can be killed, imprisoned, enslaved, etc. whatever the landowner sees fit.

    In case of Friedmanite anarcho-capitalism it goes like this:
    1.Let’s suppose everyone has impenetrable hamsterball around himself.
    2. See what happens.

    Alrenous Reply:

    @Ahote

    +1
    I endorse this message.

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    teh sexual market is
    a tricky place.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    support ideals. get cucked by the Muslim.

    pick one.

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    the mistake thinkers like Ahote make is that they leave fifth columns out of the equation. and that includes deep state security forces. which don´t play nice.

    he´s in a fantastic utopia of the mind.

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    take note that when you get top tier, ‘secure’ means no more than securing a few dynasties. or a shipment of drugs.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    thiels switch records like a jukebox

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  • cyborg_nomade Says:

    oh gnon please let it all happen

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    it´s happe-ning

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  • reactionaryfuture Says:

    This is lazy. Neoreaction is libertarian/ communist/ manchesterised state. Moldbug is corporatist/ feudal in the absolutist/ totalitarianist family.

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    Ahote Reply:

    Oh please! Moldbug was a libertarian (classical liberal even), and not right-wing one at that (compared to the likes of Hans-Herman Hoppe, Gary North, Janusz Korwin-Mikke, etc. Moldbug seems hopelessly Progressive). Your new Fascist reading of Moldbug is useless at best, Fascism is not an outcome that anyone (sane) desires, not even “the real” i.e. Romantic Reactionaries (yes, despite all the posturing you are no more of “a real reactionary” than Nick Land, you’re just private-government Fascist). But, congratulations I suppose, Carlyle and Mussolini have exorcised so much critical thought out of your mind that you now consider totalitarianism to be good governance. No one cares about totalitarianism. No one wants totalitarianism. That’s not why Neoreaction started.
    Also, you have never answered my question, how is your idea actually any different from Rothbardian Anarcho-Capitalism? In Rothbardianism owner of a patch has absolute and total power over it, so if he wants to run it as a Stalinist-Maoist dictatorship he’s free to do so. If he wants to run it as a libertine country, a land of vice and sin, of casinos and whorehouses, opium dens and organ grinders, there’s nothing anyone who lives there can do to stop him. Patch can be run as Catholic Distributist monarchy, if sovereign i.e. the owner so desires. Protestant theocracy, ditto. Of course, Rothbard also took into account different ways in which land can be owned, so, apart from direct ownership by sovereign, proposed joint-stock corporation model, but also thought there would be various oligarchies.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    Reactionaryfuture´s comment is not answerable, he projects ‘lazy’ which applies to himself onto Mr. Land somehow. Yeah, he done did it with saying { libertarian/ communist/ manchesterised state. Moldbug is corporatist/ feudal in the absolutist/ totalitarianist family }—whatever that means.

    One might think he´s one of these 4th grade “journalists” who´ve written articles on NRx in the past.

    Corporations are totalitarian. They ‘own’ the time and body & mind deployment of that the workers sell, which includes that of the CEO. So I guess you are saying that “no one” wants that for his personal life?

    You know better. Some people want that. People who join militaries do, up to a level. Is it Fascist. It´s hard to say that it is not. But consider that life in monastic orders is also relatively totalitarian-communitarian.

    You´re allowed to run these bodies, these corps, if it´s religious, as monks and nuns, and e.g. the amish are allowed to do, and if they´re militarized in co-operation with the, as it were, “Cathedral.” Cf. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin_Group

    As for exit: it´s possible. But it requires more than most people in any sort of current ‘Right-wing’ milieu have or are willing to sacrifice.

    They´re most stuck in the egoistic mumbo-jumbo of ‘muh favorite author.’

    Thus as Mr. Land has noted, NRx is an appeal to our superiors.

    This, MM noted as well. Study history, it´s always

    the same type of person who builds.

    If you see the typology

    right. This is

    sum.

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    Chris B Reply:

    I am under the impression that Rothbardianism is premised on inalienable rights of ownership to self and homesteading property with a web of shyster laws and clauses enforced by magic, the market or something. So no, these patches could not be run accordingly on Rothbardianism, that is retarded.
    I could provide a wealth of post from UR were Moldbug basically makes it clear he is aware his ideas are absolutist, and not really too far from fascism and totalitarianism, especially in his arguments with Szabo, but you have google and can use ctrl F surely, so I won’t do it for you. One of the problems he has is that the term totalitarianism is a waste of space, it means different things dependent on political context. It is now a catch all slur for non-manchester liberalism pushed by liberal lunatics.
    Moldbug introduced a number of heretical claims in libertarianism, which by necessity put it into communication with Italian fascism. Primary property for one parallels the fascist identification of the state as the primary vehicle of progress identified by Mussolini and Panunzio. Spirito’s corporatism is directly relevant if ultimately wrong (Moldbug is stronger with the concept of primary property.) Spirito even precedes admin at a latter point with his idea that the workers could own the proceeds of the nation as a corporation – which is surely where admin is going with his fungible/ divisible primary property with cybernetic governance. Even Gentile’s Actual Idealism has parallel conclusions to that developed by Moldbug by placing the person within society as opposed to pre-society as classical liberalism, an-cap, Rothbardianism does.

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    Ahote Reply:

    >I am under the impression that Rothbardianism is premised on inalienable rights of ownership to self and homesteading property with a web of shyster laws and clauses enforced by magic, the market or something.

    No, like in your Fascist utopia, it’s enforced by men with guns. Big scary guns. Lots and lots of them. Also nukes.

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    Call it conspiracy theories, but NRx is severely missing genealogy. There are families acting up on, playing with the infatuation, of the peoples with these ideologies.

    ▬{ as the Most Serene Republic of Venice (Italian: Serenissima Repubblica di Venezia), was a state originating from the lagoon communities in the area of Venice, now northeastern Italy. It existed from the late 7th century AD until 1797 }

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    > it’s enforced by men with guns.

    Uh, which state ever hasn´t been partially enforced by weaponry?

    Chris B Reply:

    Also, he wrote a blog titled “why I am not a libertarian”

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    Ahote Reply:

    …which was, more that anything, devoted to Ron Paulianism i.e. “constitutional conservatism.”

    Chris B Reply:

    No, it had a clear point regarding property. “It (libertarianism) fails because libertarianism is an antipropertarian ideology, and all antipropertarian ideologies fail.” this is directed at both Hoppe and Rothbard. Primary property is basically equivalent to monarchical claims to lordship over all property, and it is humorous that Hoppe wrote on it in a positive way (whilst rejecting it) https://mises.org/library/political-economy-monarchy-and-democracy
    He labels it parasitic, as he still holds to private property along Rothbard/ Locke lines. Switch the whole thing to the monarch literally owning everything (even you) and his property as inalienable regardless of delegation (no such thing as freehold) then this formula changes drastically, and you can actually have some insight to matters.

    Ahote Reply:

    You misunderstood. The reason why Hoppe calls it parasitic is because it wasn’t monarch’s property i.e. monarch didn’t legitimately acquire it, not because he’s antipropertarian (he’s actually NOT antipropertarian!). The main (and about the only) difference between Moldbug and Rothbard comes down to deontology – Rothbard’s deontological about the way of acquiring primary property (homesteading and transaction), whilst Moldbug is pragmatical (Mandate of Heaven).

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    ‘parasitic’ is relative. it´s an idealization of Life.

    there is no Life without symbiosis.

    Alrenous Reply:

    “Rothbard’s deontological about the way of acquiring primary property (homesteading and transaction)”

    Which is why we’re meta-Rothbardian now. http://alrenous.blogspot.com/2015/08/re-re-steel-anarchism.html

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  • michael Says:

    maybe thiel just got all sentimental again he went on and on about cleveland and murica, I think hes just hoping the don can “there you go again” all over the cathedral while restoring common sense.He probably know it a thousand to one but the alternative is a massive race war and then hanging all the commies

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    Spare us. “Race wars” have never happened, never will. The concept of a “White race” as we know it now wasn´t invented until the 17th century.

    Groups that war are always historically real formations, not ideal ones.

    Mercenaries vs. tribal folks, e.g.

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    michael Reply:

    BS race is going to be a better glue than some nrx larp. and its got a lot of other advantages like it already exists is pleasant and has a IQ etc advantage

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    i have hall of history. you have none. zero.

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    This depends on how you define ‘race’, michael. Whites are not going to tribe up without a common mind. It seems to me that they are, as it were, tribing up ideologically though, as seen in the article referenced in the comments below. Maybe when the Alt-Right has moved the overton window far enough, something like that will happen. I mean, those mannerbunds will come out of the shadows.

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  • the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Says:

    @
    { literally owning everything (even you) and his property as inalienable }

    This is the real. Those can have you assassinated

    any time, any where. Black Government.

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  • michael Says:

    Thiel is one question but why does Obama endorse Trump

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/obamas-half-brother-says-hes-voting-for-donald-trump.html

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  • the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Says:

    @michael da jpppppooooz

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    michael Reply:

    you may not be interested in race war but race war is interested in you

    St.-Étienne-du-Rouvray, a working-class suburb inhabited by many retired chemical and metal workers, was a peaceful community, residents said, with a substantial immigrant population. The parish priest is of Congolese ancestry; the town’s mosque opened in 2000 on land donated by the Catholic parish.

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  • the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Says:

    pieter thiel tis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1f25yx0prU

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  • the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Says:

    @

    Meta-Rothbardian. I like that.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    #”I think Peter Thiel supports Donald Trump because he believes it’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to weaken America’s attachment to democratic government”

    in this statement so many approximations to consider it seriously. perhaps it is more like a business decision. spaceX depends on government funds, and as it quite clear now, who is going to become the next president, does not look like any one in right mind have any choice whom to support.

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  • Anon Says:

    Most of this piece is clueless squawking / facile insight porn, but if you’re willing to stick with it to the end there’s a nice takeaway that shows how most people still invested in the Human Project view Voice vs. Exit:

    >[Note to readers: This post is receiving a great deal of Facebook traffic, and relatively little critical comment, which tells me individuals are saving their comments for whatever ingroup they happen to belong to, thus illustrating the very dynamic critiqued in the piece. Sound off! Dare to dissent in ideologically mixed company, or demonstrate the degree to which you need others to agree before raising your voice.]

    https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2016/07/18/the-death-of-wilson-how-the-academic-left-created-donald-trump/

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    New Gothic Nomomancy Reply:

    >facile insight porn

    opposed to what?

    either you run a money-making business or you work otherwise.

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    Anon Reply:

    I was referring to the link I posted, not the OP, if that wasn’t already mind-numbingly obvious.

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    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    What´s with the dick, dick?

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    Not everyone´s in your head.

    New Gothic Nomomancy Reply:

    ▬{ Society has been fundamentally rewired. This is a simple fact. Remember Home Improvement, how Tim would screw something up, then wander into the backyard to lay his notions and problems on his neighbour Wilson, who would only ever appear as a cap over the fence line? Tim was hands on, but interpersonally incompetent, while Wilson was bookish and wise to the ways of the human heart—as well as completely obscured save for his eyes and various caps by the fence between them.

    This is a fantastic metaphor for the communication of ideas before the internet and its celebrated ability to ‘bring us together.’ Before, when you had chauvinist impulses, you had to fly them by whoever was available. Pre-internet, extreme views were far more likely to be vetted by more mainstream attitudes. Simple geography combined with the limitations of analogue technology had the effect of tamping the prevalence of such views down. But now Tim wouldn’t think of hassling Wilson over the fence, not when he could do a simple Google and find whatever he needed to confirm his asinine behaviour. }

    This is true. Good insight porn. Wonder what´s to follow.

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    Anon Reply:

    If using Home Improvement, of all things, as an example of groundbreaking insight as to how the internet has facilitated places like tumblr (and, on the opposite end of the spectrum, 4chan) to become echo chambers where socially maladjusted people can confirm their in-group biases, instead of just being trite and obvious, then I’m not sure what else to say. If anything the interesting thing about this is what it says about voice / exit.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    People voice complaints,

    Men build bridges.

    the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Reply:

    ▬{ No bells, just whistling in the dark…
    The Death of Wilson: How the Academic Left Created Donald Trump
    by rsbakker

    Tim and Wilson 2

    People need to understand that things aren’t going to snap back into magical shape once Trump becomes archive footage. The Economist had a recent piece on all the far-right demagoguery in the past, and though they stress the impact that politicians like Goldwater have had subsequent to their electoral losses, they imply that Trump is part of a cyclical process, essentially more of the same. Perhaps this might have been the case were this anything but the internet age. For all we know, things could skid madly out of control.

    Society has been fundamentally rewired. This is a simple fact. Remember Home Improvement, how Tim would screw something up, then wander into the backyard to lay his notions and problems on his neighbour Wilson, who would only ever appear as a cap over the fence line? Tim was hands on, but interpersonally incompetent, while Wilson was bookish and wise to the ways of the human heart—as well as completely obscured save for his eyes and various caps by the fence between them.

    This is a fantastic metaphor for the communication of ideas before the internet and its celebrated ability to ‘bring us together.’ Before, when you had chauvinist impulses, you had to fly them by whoever was available. Pre-internet, extreme views were far more likely to be vetted by more mainstream attitudes. Simple geography combined with the limitations of analogue technology had the effect of tamping the prevalence of such views down. But now Tim wouldn’t think of hassling Wilson over the fence, not when he could do a simple Google and find whatever he needed to confirm his asinine behaviour. Our chauvinistic impulses no longer need to run any geographically constrained social gauntlet to find articulation and rationalization. No matter how mad your beliefs, evidence of their sanity is only ever a few keystrokes away.

    This has to have some kind of aggregate, long-term effect–perhaps a dramatic one. The Trump phenomenon isn’t the manifestation of an old horrific contagion following the same old linear social vectors; it’s the outbreak of an old horrific contagion following new nonlinear social vectors. Trump hasn’t changed anything, save identifying and exploiting an ecological niche that was already there. No one knows what happens next. Least of all him.

    What’s worse, with the collapse of geography comes the collapse of fences. Phrases like “cretinization of the masses” is simply one Google search away as well. Before, Wilson would have been snickering behind that fence, hanging with his friends and talking about his moron neighbour, who really is a nice guy, you know, but needs help to think clearly all the same. Now the fence is gone, and Tim can finally see Wilson for the condescending, self-righteous bigot he has always been.

    Did I just say ‘bigot’? Surely… But this is what Trump supporters genuinely think. They think ‘liberal cultural elites’ are bigoted against them. As implausible as his arguments are, Murray is definitely tracking a real social phenomenon in Coming Apart. A good chunk of white America feels roundly put upon, attacked economically and culturally. No bonus this Christmas. No Christmas tree at school. Why should a minimum wage retail worker think they somehow immorally benefit by dint of blue eyes and pale skin? Why should they listen to some bohemian asshole who’s both morally and intellectually self-righteous? Why shouldn’t they feel aggrieved on all sides, economically and culturally disenfranchised?

    Who celebrates them? Aside from Donald Trump.

    Trump

    You have been identified as an outgroup competitor.

    Last week, Social Psychological and Personality Science published a large study conducted by William Chopik, a psychologist out of Michigan State University, showing the degree to which political views determine social affiliations: it turns out that conservatives generally don’t know Clinton supporters and liberals generally don’t know any Trump supporters. Americans seem to be spontaneously segregating along political lines.

    Now I’m Canadian, which, although it certainly undermines the credibility of my observations on the Trump phenomenon in some respects, actually does have its advantages. The whole thing is curiously academic, for Canadians, watching our cousins to the south play hysterical tug-o-war with their children’s future. What’s more, even though I’m about as academically institutionalized as a human can be, I’m not an academic, and I have steadfastly resisted the tendency of the highly educated to surround themselves with people who are every bit as institutionalized—or at least smitten—by academic culture.

    I belong to no tribe, at least not clearly. Because of this, I have Canadian friends who are, indeed, Trump supporters. And I’ve been whaling on them, asking questions, posing arguments, and they have been whaling back. Precisely because we are Canadian, the whole thing is theatre for us, allowing, I like to think, for a brand of honesty that rancour and defensiveness would muzzle otherwise.

    When I get together with my academic friends, however, something very curious happens whenever I begin reporting these attitudes: I get interrupted. “But-but, that’s just idiotic/wrong/racist/sexist!” And that’s when I begin whaling on them, not because I don’t agree with their estimation, but because, unlike my academic confreres, I don’t hold Trump supporters responsible. I blame them, instead. Aren’t they the ‘critical thinkers’? What else did they think the ‘cretins’ would do? Magically seize upon their enlightened logic? Embrace the wisdom of those who openly call them fools?

    Fact is, you’re the ones who jumped off the folk culture ship.

    The Trump phenomenon falls into the wheelhouse of what has been an old concern of mine. For more than a decade now, I’ve been arguing that the social habitat of intellectual culture is collapsing, and that the persistence of the old institutional organisms is becoming more and more socially pernicious. Literature professors, visual artists, critical theorists, literary writers, cultural critics, intellectual historians and so on all continue acting and arguing as though this were the 20th century… as if they were actually solving something, instead of making matters worse. }

    Very good. But frankly, nothing in this article is news to me.

    Would you explicitate what you think is the nice takeaway that shows how most people still invested in the Human Project view Voice vs. Exit, and how it does that? Just if you will.

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    Xoth Reply:

    The Economist calling Trump far-right is just one more sign the paper has turned into a silly Cathedral outlet. Don’t read it, if you have to read it, for the analyses and insights.

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  • the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Says:

    Hahaha. Come on Knaphel (sorry i had to bastardize your name for easier dealing-with).

    I wouldn´t say I´m destroying NRx arguments, as much as darkening them.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Destroying their arguments, is my task, eventually.
    You’re showing their inferiority.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    ‘Darken’ them any more, & they’ll sponetaneously start irradiating light, & the mirage of an illuminated cathedral. lol

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Fascinating.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Illuminating, even.

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  • the Dark Elf faction that actually maintains the human Imperium Says:

    Let me promise you one thing. People´s brains are getting ‘wired’ onto IM.

    Generation shift. Mr. Nickus de Landus, is wise enough to keep

    and ad-hoc, as it were, operational web-front.

    This is military territory.

    War

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    Hattori Reply:

    Best username ever.

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  • alien antithesis Says:

    It´s in the name

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  • FOAM Says:

    Cathedral spinning DNC leak as a Russian/Trump conspiracy

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  • FOAM Says:

    @

    thought this was chaos patch :/

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    I am not sure that you thought wrong.

    What is not a patch of chaos?

    A bridge over the abyss.

    Gaping, seething,

    waiting, to

    give birth. To a monster the like seen in the most ancient day.

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  • anonyme Says:

    @ FOAM

    you’ve probably already seen this one, but in case you haven’t, this is what Julian Assange tweeted, before WikiLeaks removed it:

    “Tribalist symbol for establishment climbers?” said a Wikileaks tweet on Saturday. “Most of our critics have 3 (((brackets around their names))) & have black-rimmed glasses. Bizarre.”

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Interesting. What do you think is the most significant aspect of this from a Global Shadowy War Perspective?

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  • Walter Oleg Says:

    Why do fascist movements come about? I give one perspective:
    https://watchfulness.wordpress.com/2016/07/26/why-do-fascist-movements-come-about/

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Marchalized by das Capital for repellence of the non-‘Cultural’ Commies.

    I.e. those who try do establish somehow a some form of

    work-place democracy or councils..

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    { Let us remember Salvian (400-470), in his main work De Gubernatione Dei, who criticized a Gallo-Roman world that was apparently unconscious of its own cultural decay, injustice, and smugness. Like St. Augustine half a century earlier, he marveled at the hunt for pleasure-as-usual amidst barbarian threats menacing the foundations of Christian, Mediterranean civilization. “It dies,” he exclaimed, dumbfounded by the almost supernatural blindness of his fellow citizens; “it dies, and nonetheless, it laughs.”0 “It is already dead,” one would be tempted to say looking at modern Catholicism as it tightens its pluralist blindfold and exhausts itself in yet another round of that impotent danse macabre welcoming yet more diverse ideas and lifestyles destructive to everything it stands for; “it is already dead, and yet it laughs as though it were in the midst of an indescribably successful renewal.” }

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    { We live in two worlds simultaneously. One world is the world of decay. the old world falling apart, the rot, and the release of bound entities into the realm of possibility. The other wold is the world of emergence, which feeds on the decay of the old world. It is where the unbounded entities of the old world become integral parts of new cohesive structures for the new world. Yet, the old world never completely dies, and the new world is never completely born. It is a tension that we sense down to our very being. }

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  • illegal Says:

    Meister Trump stands above the pulpit with a “gavel” in his fist. He stamps his foot, stamps his big feet, and immediately the entire procession looks forward to see him with his nose pointed into the air, blonde air blasting above his blasting head. He soars into the national sky, and is able to show the people who runs the show. Suddenly Chinese music begins playing and we feel that we may not actually be experiencing anything of an American moment. Instead what we are witnessing is little more than a Chinese moment in American history. What is Trump other than a great Chinese leader? He stands tall, claps his hands, and suddenly the procession feels great joy. We all like him as he sings great tunes, dances, and does things we find quite astounding and funny, maybe even joyous and ecstatically liberating in their perverse nature. Yet at the same time we ask ourselves, what about the question of future? What about where we are heading, really? Am I the only one answering this question tonight? Well, the question is real. I know there are for to eight years ahead, four. And yes, that means that equestionally that it’s important for us to begin taking these matters slightly serious. I understand that things are divisible between Hillary and Trump, yet the real question is what over this moment can we call… “Truly Astounding?” Are we to be astounded by claps forever? Or is there something deeper here that we can really call all to ourselves? Just as the Bernouts clasps their hands around “THE PEOPLE TM” we can clasp our hands around something, no? What is it? What do we call our own? Are we a “We?” Can we continue to play pretend that this Trump moment is not “Ours” and that it is not something we enjoy? I cannot deny it. I’ve enjoyed it all from the sat in the moment when I saw. And yet, I still ask myself, what am I enjoying anymore? I can’t say I am fully enjoying. I enjoy-ed. And now, I wonder, do we continue to enjoy, or are we now faced with the chasm of oblivion into Nada.
    Thus I ask, might we find ourselves faced with the Trumpen, to wonder, “Is This Moment Ours?” And, if it is (will it be?) – what people might wonder is, how so? EVOLVE

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    those who enjoy reading, thosse who don´t allocate their time
    for density

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  • This Week in Reaction (2016/07/24) - Social Matter Says:

    […] Land finds a particularly germane sentence regarding the Thiel-Trump connection. One hopes it might be true. Time will […]

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    @Anon Don´t read it.

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    I thought this place had become a too little demotic after the Brexit affair

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