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Nick Rowe on the economics of immigration:

“Total Factor Productivity” is not some geological feature like the Canadian shield. There has to be a reason why some countries are rich and other countries are basket cases, and unless you are lucky enough to find yourselves sitting on great reservoirs of oil that someone else will pay you to pump out of the ground, that reason seems to have something to do with social/economic institutions, and social/economic institutions seem to have something to do with people.

(If you want to be a format purist, treat the second sentence as the target, and the first as the lead-in — the emphasis has been juggled to help.)

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    [The] reason why some countries are rich and other countries are basket cases…seems to have something to do with social/economic institutions, and social/economic institutions seem to have something to do with people.

    In other words: genetics is upstream of culture.

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    Chris B Reply:

    “In other words: genetics is upstream of culture.”
    Absolutely not. This is a disasterous conclusion. Culture can be, and is, imposed on societies to act as a selection mechanism. If you place genetics upstream, you just reassert liberalism in a different disguise and create all sorts of intellectualy absurd concepts (like linking the reformation with genetics causes.)

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    yeah, ideas preceed matter.

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    frank Reply:

    “Culture can be, and is, imposed on societies to act as a selection mechanism.”

    True. But culture’s selection timescales are on the order of multiple centuries to millennia.

    On the other hand, current culture inexorably is a function of genes. Genetics’ effect on culture is immediate.

    Of course gene-culture interaction is a feedback loop. But in human timescales, genetics is upstream of culture.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    Western culture(or at least until the 60’s-90’s or so ) prized achievement , whether technological, academic, or entrepreneurial , but then post-WW2 liberalism, along with Cultural Marxism, was a major setback and an example of how intellectualism can fail. China reversed this decline in the 70’s, and America need to do the same. But generally ,smarter regions tend to have cultures conducive to civilization (for example, North Korea, Tiawan, China, etc.), whereas less intelligent regions don’t.

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    michael Reply:

    culture is environment if sustained long enough and then it will express itself biologically in a reinforcing feedback loop, so are we playing semantics chicken egg? yes of course genes are genes but even traits can be repurposed and a strong enough culture can overpower genes for a while.
    leftism is using biolological traits selected for long gone environments that hung on either because they had no reason to select out or had been repurposed culturally doesnt matter. at same time culture is exerting pressure.
    inteligence is hugely important but its not everything i will bet on european genes over east asians any day despit maybe 5% iq. on the other hand i would not bet on blacks or amerindians 15% is a huge difference and nothing to make up for it elsewhere

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    Edenist whackjob Reply:

    I think it’s more the case that genetics gives you a baseline of “civilizational IQ”, which then allows for a range of “culture-states” to play out, depending on memetic/technological innovation, and just randomness.

    Of course, certain culture-states will also affect breeding-patterns, which will affect genetics, which will then feed back into the culture.

    So which one is upstream, genetics or culture? Hard to say – because they influence each other.

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    michael Reply:

    yes its a feed back loop while biological changs are forever cultural/ environmental changes have first mover advantage as we crispr this is going to dare i say it accelerate. its a long ways off and if i cant get these nerds to build me a super weapon it will never happen

    Edenist whackjob Reply:

    We also have to keep in mind that every model is just a model. When it comes to genetics/culture it’s hardly as immutable as say fluid dynamics. The dynamics are much more sensitive to randomness and there is a wide range of possible outcomes (although some are unlikely).

    I feel that CRISPR will be one of those paradigm-busting things, yeah. It’s kind of like having only tame wolves, who are grumpy bastards who don’t follow orders well, and going to dogs, who can do all kinds of useful work. It’s basically removing the gene-culture loop, and going straight to creativity-genes, or market-genes. It’s much more of a singularitarian dynamic. It’s like going from O(n) to O(log n).

    grey enlightenment Reply:

    yes one only has to compare the totality achievement of African countries vs European ones to see that this is true

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    michael Reply:

    so drudge is re[orting wiki leaks supporters pretty much took out the us internet today knocked amazon twitter reddit paypal git hub and dozen or two more off line the map looked like most of the us that mattered,
    wikileaks posted that assign is alive, and wiki still posting, that the point was made by followers, so please restore internet to USA,
    sppoks are claiming this was just a test run not claiming putin and trump this time.
    so i find it hard to believe the alt right shitposters and the wiki club and the sad puppies combined could do this. yet one cant help but feel this is at least vaguely pro trump since wiki leaks is going after clinton these days.
    one cant help but notice this is a shift the hackers tend to be libtards generally and while they sometimes get theirs a difference between clinton and bernie its significant they get theres a difference that puts trump defence worth defending. can it be the kids are all right?
    wouldnt that be ironic if the millennial progs grew a pair before neo inaction

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  • SVErshov Says:

    this kind of banality, would be not so depressing, if we have some alternative to human society (actually on earth), some society of chimeras at least. then we can say , Oh … those humans … how stupid indeed.

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  • Pseudo-chrysostom Says:

    Chaper #7,034,316 in the continuing adventures of conflating benefits of democracy or socialism with the benefits of having lots of white people.

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    pedanticmoron Reply:

    You seem not to understand what’s actually being said here.

    Certain countries are better than others. This is due to institutions within those countries being better than institutions in other countries. These institutions are themselves due to the quality of people in each country, good countries tend to have higher quality people than bad countries. It’s pretty clearly stated, fella.

    Also, this isn’t even about “democracy or socialism”. It’s about market friendly institutions. You should probably read the post admin’s linking to.

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    michael Reply:

    hes agreeing with you, only stating the obvious by defining ‘higher quality people’ as = white people, hes probably also trying to make the point that IQ is not the only trait that that makes a’ good country’ which is why hes kinda sneering at the institutions sorta equating them with IQ its a good and overlooked point on this high IQ site where we just love our specialness.hes also probably pointing out that high IQ diversity, plus good institutions, plus proximity still equals war. east asian white multiculturalism isnt going to ultimately work any better than the shit we got now. and let me be clear i wish that were not true , I even wish blacks and browns could be civilized but it can not work in one nation. and this leads to the gnonish future where at some point the last 2or 3 races standing are going to strt sizing each other up and wondering about first strikes madd and viruses but the evil of the day is sufficient

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    pedanticmoron Reply:

    I’m going to have to dispute that, fella. Last time I checked Singapore, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan didn’t have all that many white people. Albania and Russia have pretty high percentages of white people, they’re not really doing all that well. The first group has pro-market institutions and low levels of corruption. The second has existed under communism or incredibly corrupt democracy for the better part of a century. Whiteness is, at best, a pretty flawed indicator of success for a nation. East Germany was pretty damn white, it also sucked major ass compared to a place like Singapore (for the last decade or so of it’s existence at least). The driving factors here seem to be institutions, not whiteness.

    Unless you’re obsessed with a pet cause (be it white nationalism or democracy or whatever) it’s obvious that pro-market institutions and a lack of corruption in government are pretty much the most important things when it comes to growth and economic development. These things aren’t really all that highly correlated with the whiteness of a nation (obviously white nations are going to be higher than black nations, but if you’re plotting nations by GDP/capita or whatever then whiteness is a pretty shitty predictor of where a nation’s going to end up).

    A nationalist argument makes sense in terms of lower trust in society from the importation of people who aren’t members of the majority group leading to a breakdown of institutions and higher levels of corruption. This doesn’t have much of anything to do with whiteness, though. It’s not like replacing all the Chinamen in Canada with Serbs is going to make Canada more economically efficient.

    Unless you’re defining whiteness as some weird mystical quality unrelated to the amount of white people in a country you’re just not really all that correct here.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    race makes much more sense if it is interpreted as bloodline.

    anonymous Reply:

    @the pedantic moron

    South Korea, Japan and Taiwan all have lower GDP per capita than Austria, in spite of Austria’s less “market friendly” system. As for Singapore — it is a city state. So why not compare it to a city? Oh right: because the GDP per capita in Vienna is almost 40%(!) higher than the GDP per capita of Singapore.

    This isn’t an isolated example. All asian economies are weaker than you’d expect them to be given the quality of their institutions and the average IQ of their populations.

    >whiteness is a pretty shitty predictor of where a nation’s going to end up

    You obviously didn’t verify your assumptions, because the more north/western European a country is, the better its population seems to be doing.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Considering that the USA and the USSR who dominated utterly the last century were both white, I think it´s an important predictor.

    pedanticmoron Reply:

    @ anon

    Singapore has a GDP/capita of something like 85k. Vienna doesn’t have a GDP/capita of 120k, this just isn’t the case. Vienna doesn’t break 40k Euro (this is going off 2012 data for Vienna, but I sincerely doubt that it’s pulled ahead that much in under 4 years. You’re just incorrect on that point.

    In terms of Austria vs various Asian states, where are you getting these rankings? I certainly wouldn’t say Austria is less market friendly than Japan or Taiwan or whatever. It has higher levels of government spending, but that’s conflating two very different things (ability to do business and size of the government). Denmark, for example, is ranked fairly poorly on most “economic freedom” indices. In reality they’re extremely market friendly, they just have a large government. When you’re talking about pro-market institutions you’re talking about things like ease of opening businesses, meritocratic hiring and promotion, lack of programs with poor incentive effects (if you’re unemployed you can’t just claim disability with “back pain”), stuff like that.

    Northwestern Europeans are doing well, that’s very much true. That doesn’t have a whole lot to do with whites as a larger group, though. Places like the Netherlands and Switzerland are doing very well, places like Serbia and Bulgaria aren’t. Unless you’re willing to restrict your definition of white to northwestern Europeans the whiteness argument isn’t very good, and equating white with Germanic/northwestern isn’t something that anybody really does anymore (it’s not like white nationalists are big on Victorian racial theories. You’d be hard pressed to see anyone claiming the Irish aren’t white among WN circles).

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    having an abundance of oil hasn’t helped south america much. It boils down to IQ..less intelligent countries will tend to fail , unless like in the case of sadia arabia where they can import IQ

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    How does a people get a certain IQ anyway?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDphZmPGSY

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “Man’s most precious possession is blood, when it is well-liking ; the most mischievous thing in man is blood when it is ill-liking” (Meister Eckhart, The Emanation and Return)

    But wait for2016-06-23-1466691756-8605810-Platoraphael.jpg it – here comes the créme de la créme: “And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard… as [that] of the purity of the race.” Okay… er, what? Read on, and you’ll discover Plato writes, without the least degree of apprehension, that “the best of either sex should be united with the best as often, and the inferior with the inferior as seldom, as possible.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-witte/plato-on-the-dead-white-m_b_10633342.html

    John Hannon Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbczBcz78vo

    (unfortunately Tom Waits completely ruins it towards the end)

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Despite Aristotle’s hand in that painting he resurrects Plato’s elitist temperament in the Politics: “When a number of flute players are equal in their art, there is no reason why those of them who are better born should have better flutes given to them; for they will not play any better on the flute, and the superior instrument should be reserved for him who is the superior artist.” The left likes to pretend that at the starting line of a race everyone has an equal chance of winning; the right places educated bets on who’s going to win. Greeks were probably apt to play flutes best but Aristotle seems to be allowing opportunity for a stranger/friend [Xenia] to pick up a flute and play better. We know that Alexander the Great liked his Persian prettyboys… okay inappropriate joke. That Christopher Witte in the huffinggluepost needs to be hanged. Carlyle would probably agree: “That a good man be “free,” as we call it, be permitted to unfold himself in works of goodness and nobleness, is surely a blessing to him, immense and indispensable; — to him and to those about him. But that a bad man be “free,” — permitted to unfold himself in HIS particular way, is contrariwise, the fatallest curse you could inflict on him; curse and nothing else, to him and all his neighbours. Him the very Heavens call upon you to persuade, to urge, induce, compel, into something of well-doing; if you absolutely cannot, if he will continue in ill-doing, — then for him (I can assure you, though you will be shocked to hear it), the one “blessing” left is the speediest gallows you can lead him to.”

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    michael Reply:

    south americans can import IQ also even more easily and south america is run by whites in many cases. south america is caught in a communism oligarchism trap it needs to kill one group or the other and we need to not get caught.

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    ivvenalis Reply:

    I think most open-borders profiteers plan to make money through increasing total consumption rather than increasing per capita or even total productivity. A billion Somalis need five times as much toothpaste as 200 million Legacy Americans.

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    anonymous Reply:

    >It boils down to IQ

    Doubtful. Japan has a higher average IQ than any country in northern Europe. Yet every country in northern Europe is doing better than Japan. Read Duchesne’s “The Uniqueness of Western Civilisation”. He’s groping at something.

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  • lurker_bob Says:

    Nice mix of running in circles and preaching to the choir you have going on. What exactly is the purpose of this blog post? Maybe you should start an Outside In sabbatical.

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    admin Reply:

    If you think sharing an interesting link is “preaching” you might just be over-invested in ear-plugs.

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    Lurker_Bob Reply:

    Huh? What’s interesting about the link then? I don’t think there’s nary a soul here who takes the idea of “tabula rasa” seriously, and the comments are full of the same old same old. There are other people out there who don’t believe in the super-malleability of human behaviour? No shit!

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    admin Reply:

    If you think economists generally build this stuff into their models you need to get out more.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The owls are not what they seem.

    https://vimeo.com/21785003

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    Jesus H. Christ, it seems many people still haven’t grasped who are the principal exponents of the massive non-White immigration invasion into White countries and of course only into White countries.

    Examples include Job Cohen in Holland, Barbara Spectre in Sweden, Ervin Kohn in Norway, Anneta Kahane, Angela Merkel and Gregor Gysi in Germany, Gerald Kaufman and David Cameron in England, Ronit Lentin and Alan Shatter in Ireland, and George Soros and Larry Summers in the USA.

    Just a few examples….

    And the motivation behind it is very simple, really…. mass third world immigration to Europe and the USA is to prevent anything like this from ever happening again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NblOHH6327Y

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    michael Reply:

    I agree though Id argue the average jew isnt thinking about it quite explicitly and most below the level you mention probably didnt realize how much damage it could do. so i would cut some slack on retribution after all survival is only natural.
    The question is now that its becoming clear they very well may be hoisted by their own petard can they be flipped, ought they be flipped. Not flipping them became a logistical nightmare the last time. while they are on the verge of wiping us out they are also on the verge of becoming indistinguishable from us.Theyre 60% italian and as big a contributer to ‘western civ’ as any of us. say they could be both flipped and finally assimilated completely. would that not be better. just for a moment put aside the conspiracy etc, just say we could execute the soroses and flip the rest. wouldnt it be easier than having them lead the muds against us with the good whites vangard because muh holocaust 2.0.
    maybe first think about how hard it would be to expell them they are way to mixed in married in etc. very few could stomach the sophies choiceness of it all. but heres a thought. someone ought to get them to self sort. ideally one of them an alt riech jew shoulf write a loyalty pledge that they can publicly sign today before the shoa begins so later its very clear who stood by western civ and would did not. of course at first outrage but some will sign because some get it it has to be written not asking jews to betray jews but for jews to declare themselves “white” western” etc first it should be written that some can if they prefer declare themselves jews first wishing to live as guests in western nations , these will be the non ashkenazi who are not a political problem just welfare fraud lol. its the AKZ that need to declare. what this does is it calls them out to belie the stereo type, of course its going to have clauses they pledge to actively work to defend west civ and european peoples from multiculturalism immigration marxism etc. the other side of this when the shtf no foxhole conversos off to your own ethnat. but you cant claim you were not given a chance to defend your other mitochondrial home.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    The fact that *when* the Jew Question is discussed it is discussed vehemently is reason to believe there is something going on that the anti-antisemites want to keep buried. Buried is the key word there. It just occurred to me that the Chews as the Josen People fits in rather nicely with Calvinist PREZDZDSDESTINATION. This is enough to flip the turtle on its shell. NRx has revealed the Calvinist basis and exemplified it by doing so!

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ‘Chosen people’ is a very common motif. Americans have had it as manifest destiny, the Germans have had it,* and the ancient Romans had their conception of (their) ‘Sacred History’, and the Etruscans before them, and the Catholic ‘chosen people’ before the Calvinists.

    The intellectual giant of National-Socialism, Alfred Rosenberg, does not approve:

    ▬ « The same static instinct is the central core of the Roman church. It sets up a synthesis, with itself as the successor of the displaced god’s chosen people, and develops the same rigidity and formalism as Judaism, and as the later, also Semitic, Mohammedanism. Such systems recognise only the law, which is to say, arbitrary fiats. They never acknowledge personality. When such a system gains power, it necessarily destroys the organic. It is only thanks to the fact that the system could not attain complete triumph that there still exist peoples and cultures — in short, real life. »
    (I linked to an audio book of his meisterwerk in a link above.)

    * « German: Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation, Latin: Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ), a form first used in a document in 1474. The new title was adopted partly because the Empire had lost most of its Italian and Burgundian (Kingdom of Arles) territories by the late 15th century,[26] but also to emphasize the new importance of the German Imperial Estates in ruling the Empire due to the Imperial Reform. By the end of the 18th century, the term ‘Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation’ had fallen out of official use.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

    So if you thought this started with Calvinists, you´ll have to revise your ideas.
    The Etruscans are quite older.

    frank Reply:

    Here’s a little test for your hypothesis: how come these (((people))) can’t make Switzerland import refugees en masse?

    Possible answers:

    1) Switzerland is small fish, they don’t care about it. (Then why do they care about Sweden which has roughly the same size?)
    2) They store their wealth in Switzerland so they want it to stay intact. (Not too plausible tbh, why not Israel, USA?)
    3) They specifically want to punish Sweden, Germany, France and Uk, while they think Swiss are good goyim. (Why Sweden, France and UK though?)

    So the J-Hypothesis does a very weak job at answering the question. Here’s a more plausible answer:

    – The countries that import massive amounts of refugees suffer from terminal leftism, and lack bare minimum governance competence that would let them simply say ‘no’, as Switzerland did.

    We tend to ascribe malevolent agency to often meaningless tragedy. Yes, many jews would delight in seeing the white race eradicated, and many muslims would delight in seeing kuffars eradicated. Yet neither group has the ridiculously high coordination capacity nor the agency to achieve this desire.

    We’re watching an end phase leftist singularity, play out synchronously with a great migration event, enabled by terminal stage empire decadence, terminal stage welfare statism, and tech-comm endowed mobility. It’s not an evil master plan. It’s a signaling tragedy..

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    The signaling argument is self-defeating and cynical. Most progressives I’ve known have seemed excessively! genuine! Signaling signaling is a projection of one’s own mental state.

    Whether the Chews are conscious of it or not misses the point. We’re not talking about guilty or innocent, we’re talking about what’s causing a problem.

    “The countries that import massive amounts of refugees suffer from terminal leftism”

    No one’s doubting this. The question is who are the funders and master persuaders behind the madness?

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    frank Reply:

    >who are the funders and master persuaders behind the madness

    It’s the wrong question. You don’t ask: “who causes environmental pollution?” It’s a tragedy of commons. Sweden’s suicide is a tragedy of communistic sovereignty.

    I’m not even implying that the jews or gentiles involved in the media-academia-government complex are true believers in their own bullshit.

    Again, ask yourself: why does Sweden, and not Switzerland, commit suicide? Why did communist China kill 60 million chinamen? Is it relevant whether the commissars were true believers or not?

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    I don’t care about Sweden or Switzerland, I’m an American (though Swedish). Who are the crank yankers, frank? Who owns the banks and the media? And the ideology, Boas and Adorno come to mind–. I love Strauss but he sided with Rome against Judea. Jews that do that, Mike has a good idea, have em sign a contract ASAP so we know who’s who when the day of the ARk comes. Benjamin can blow his brains out.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    signalling does not have to mean mere signalling. indeed, most signals are genuine.

    Lurker_Bob Reply:

    Let me guess: you’re jewish.

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    Lurker_Bob Reply:

    A third of Switzerland’s population is foreign, and the EU is exerting massive pressure on Switzerland to not close its borders. So your starting rhetorical point is false.

    Basically, if you’re not a jew, I’m Napoleon Bonaparte. You also seem to be entirely opposed to the idea that all the wars in the near east were instigated at Israel’s behest and to its benefit, in spite of mountains of evidence to the contrary.

    Instead of getting upset over gentiles noticing, maybe you should look to your own people for answers. The Jewish community has a problem that only it can solve peacefully. Blacks loot and burn. Jews plan genocides.

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    Lurker_Bob Reply:

    And by the way, Sweden is particularly targeted because it is the country that had an eugenics program for the longest (they still sterilised imbeciles in the 1970s; did you know that?). They must be penalised for attempting to fashion a better people. The Jews must have no competition.

    This is exactly how multiculturalism is justified in Sweden, just so you know. Swedes must atone for the crime of noticing and acting on it.

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    michael Reply:

    not sure if you actually intended to ask me the question since im reluctant to sign on to any conspiracy, however over the last decade circumstances like the capitalist marxist alliance on the globalism project and even moldbugs cathedral exposition, and steve sailor and other docum,enting that conspiracies are much more common than intelligent people are led to believe, have forced me to realize dismissing something as a conspiracy theory is stupid.That said all the usual reasons for questioning conspiracies still apply. As I said in my comment i do not think the average akz jew is even conscious why hes liberal and that liberalism is anti white, hes liberal because hes a jewish liberal, the next step up are a bit more conscious in the is it good for the jews sense, he probably gets that maintaining a majority of minorities of which he is the leader is a strategic balance of power against his bumptious hosts who he loves and loathes with varying degrees but even at this level of consciousness I dont think these jews really think they are in danger of killing the host.The next level up is pretty activly trying to seize power of the western world usually for marxist reasons of some sort, even these I think imagine they will rule more or less as it is but more enlightened. they have some animosity, and are reckless enough to be culpable for damage done,This is the class that has brainwashed whites since the turn of the last century accelerating as the year progressed and they gained power and prestige.christian liberalism was not malignant until jews began co ordinating it, we call this the sjwj. The next level are not as political just simply power and finance ambitious with no sense of civic duty combined with a sort of resentment , this type is doing damage knowingly and racially conscious but not really politically motivated again culpable though, we can call these the banker class though thats stereotype. the highest level are jews who if they were so inclined could have a conversation like this they know the score well enough to never discuss fight club. some are neo cons we know them, some are really good conservative jews even working activly for conservatism and werstern civ and by implication european people theres many more than one would expect in alt right and neo inaction. and then theres the international jew the soros type these are the elder of zions in as much as its a semi conspiracy, you can actually find shocking videos and white papers etc but no ones running on a elders of zion platform they are the puppet masters of the sjwj they sometimes come from that class, sometimes from its correlative the bankers. These guys are evil im not even going to try to explain their motivations evil is crazy you cant explain crazy but evil is culpable these people need necklacing in public. these people are indeed seeking the destruction the genocide of euroman and its civilization and frankly theres not a neo nazi conspiracy theory to whacky to not be 90% true abouyt the likes of this type.
    except the question of scale of the conspiracy, how many below this level are really aware of the game, how many are really at this level and how much conspiring actually takes place where we can not dig up a video or white paper. In other words do they actually think they are messianic leaders of the human race and are destroying euros only incidentally or are they simply wealth and power hungry actors out to destroy the competition, or executing a historical grudge.I dont think it really matters what crazy reason the guy trying to kill you and your family has its enough to know hes trying to do that.
    The other caveat about the neo nazi conspiracy theory and the leg that the neo inactionaries like to stand on is how many, how autonomously, and to what extent are the good whites at that level and to what percentage responsible today and historically.
    certainly somewhat.[[[moldbug]]]] makes the calvin case its clever buy honestly its not the whole story not even close he does and one could look at other white causes like the enlightenment and illuminatti masonic stuff, christianity generally as opposed to Protestantism [ but christianity is a jewish heresy not that thats intentional but worth noting] I think the way to sift this is what would white liberalism have looked like and acomplished if not for jewish influence. and i think a rough answer is 50% less and then the questin becomes could a 50% less strong elite liberalism have conquered America, i find it implausible that it could have,In fairness the inverse argues that the jews could not have done it alone. I dont think its unfair to look at motivations. first lets be clear the jewish influence that pushed white liberalism in a toxic direction we previously agreed was the sjwj and the elders of zion jews not the entire race. I think its fair to say these jews motivation has been malicious to recklessly indifferent to whites , while until this past decade white liberalism has been motivated by a foolish naive desire to do good.lets remember we have also pointed out that some jews also are of this type of naive do good liberals.
    I thinkthe bottom line is theres a segment of jews who indeed have great influence and power and exactly fit the stero type of the neo nazis elders of zion conspiracy theory even if every thing they conspire is pretty much publicly available its enough. its clear without these jews we would not have an existential threat from leftism. I dont think the problem jews can be solved by pretending they dont exist, im not convinced the problem jews can be solved by going nazi, the nazi had serious logistical problems with this approach to say nothing of the moral implications for those who have morals. I think flipping the jews is the best policy play the same game triangulation force them to choose a side while pointing out they are going to be eaten by the left eventually. nazi talk only corners them without an out and they fight harder. for the racial purists they are really pretty fucking white 60% italian and marrying out at dizzying rates if west civ survives they dont. the hasid orthodox types are not a problem.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    conspiring is a fact of human relations.

    frank Reply:

    I don’t disagree with much of this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    Let’s hear what Count Kalergi himself had to say. In his early book Pan-Europa (1923), he writes:

    “If world organisation is to take the place of world anarchy, then the first step must be for the states to form themselves into super-states … so the unification of Europe will be a necessary step on the road to a united humanity.”

    “The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.”

    And then he goes on to offer special praise for the Jews:

    Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit.”

    And now for the funniest part:

    Kalergi: “At the beginning of 1924, we received a call from Baron Louis de Rothschild. One of his friends, Max Warburg… had read my book… and wanted to get to know us. To my great surprise, Warburg spontaneously offered us 60,000 gold marks…”

    It was Coudenhove-Kalergi who in 1950 won the first Coudenhove-Kalergi prize, now better known as the Charlemagne Prize.

    Recent recipients of the prestigious Charlemagne prize have all been enthusiastic supporters of multiculturalism and mass immigration, including:

    Jean Claude Juncker, Donald Tusk and Angela Merkel.

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    Lucian Reply:

    See 1987, 1999, 2000, 2016…

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  • SVErshov Says:

    mean while Russia launches huge nuclear war training exercise that ‘involves 40 million people

    http://anonymous.com.pt/russia-launches-huge-nuclear-war-training-exercise-that-involves-40-million-people/

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    Winners of Coudenhove-Kalergi (Charlemagne Prize)

    1987 Henry Kissinger

    1999 Tony Blair

    2000 Bill Clinton

    2016 Pope Francis

    “This creation of a new Europe, a Pan-Europe, would be overseen, according to Kalergi, by a “social aristocracy of the spirit”. He claims that the traits—”strength of character combined with sharpness of spirit”—that are required for the spiritual aristocratic leadership of Europe can be found in the Jewish people alone.

    These traits, peculiar to the Jewish as a people, “predestine” them “to be leaders of urban humanity, the protagonists of capitalism as well as the revolution.”

    “It is the Jewish Socialist leaders,” he tells us, “who want to redeem us with the highest self-denial from the original sin of capitalism, free people from injustice, violence and serfdom and change the liberated world into an earthly paradise.”

    Further, he [Kalergi] wrote: “[As the] influence of the nobility of blood decreases, the influence of
    he nobility of spirit [as found in Jews] is growing. Such a development will find its end only when an aristocracy of spirit [i.e., the Jewish aristocracy] will seize the reins of society’s power:

    by seizing powder, gold, and printing ink to devote to the welfare of the community.”

    powder = gunpower, or control of the arms industry
    gold = control of the money supply and banking
    printing ink = control of the mass media

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    quite aligning with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, one of the greatest books ever written, and the most ingenious plan. a must read, well written, brain-altering, and ultra-conservative.

    https://youtu.be/ZI1A9MPcipM

    6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one’s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, so-called liberalism, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.
    7. In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers who were liberal is the power of Gold. Time was when Faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realization because no one knows how to use it with moderation. It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. From that moment on we get internecine strife which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which States burn down and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.

    8. Whether a State exhausts itself in its own convulsions, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes – in any case it can be accounted irretrievably lost: it is in our power. The despotism of Capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that the State, willy-nilly, must take hold of: if not – it goes to the bottom.

    9. Should anyone of a liberal mind say that such reflections as the above are immoral, I would put the following questions: If every State has two foes and if in regard to the external foe it is allowed and not considered immoral to use every manner and art of conflict, as for example to keep the enemy in ignorance of plans of attack and defense, to attack him by night or in superior numbers, then in what way can the same means in regard to a worse foe, the destroyer of the structure of society and the commonweal, be called immoral and not permissible?

    10. Is it possible for any sound logical mind to hope with any success to guide crowds by the aid of reasonable counsels and arguments, when any objection or contradiction, senseless though it may be, can be made and when such objection may find more favor with the people, whose powers of reasoning are superficial? Men in masses and the men of the masses, being guided solely by petty passions, paltry beliefs, traditions and sentimental theorems, fall a prey to party dissension, which hinders any kind of agreement even on the basis of a perfectly reasonable argument. Every resolution of a crowd depends upon a chance or packed majority, which, in its ignorance of political secrets, puts forth some ridiculous resolution that lays in the administration a seed of anarchy.

    11. The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable on his throne. He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and to make-believe. Great national qualities, like frankness and honesty, are vices in politics, for they bring down rulers from their thrones more effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy. Such qualities must be the attributes of the kingdoms of the goyim but we must in no wise be guided by them.
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    RIGHT IS MIGHT

    12. Our right lies in force. The word “right” is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than: Give me what I want in order that thereby I may have a proof that I am stronger than you.

    13. Where does right begin? Where does it end?

    14. In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right – to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.

    15. Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invincible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it.

    16. Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit will emerge the good of an unshakable rule, which will restore the regular course of the machinery of the national life, brought to naught by liberalism. The result justifies the means. Let us, however, in our plans, direct our attention not so much to what is good and moral as to what is necessary and useful.

    17. Before us is a plan in which is laid down strategically the line from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labor of many centuries brought to naught.

    18. In order to elaborate satisfactory forms of action it is necessary to have regard to the rascality, the slackness, the instability of the mob, its lack of capacity to understand and respect the conditions of its own life, or its own welfare. It must be understood that the might of a mob is blind, senseless and un-reasoning force ever at the mercy of a suggestion from any side. The blind cannot lead the blind without bringing them into the abyss; consequently, members of the mob, upstarts from the people even though they should be as a genius for wisdom, yet having no understanding of the political, cannot come forward as leaders of the mob without bringing the whole nation to ruin.

    19. Only one trained from childhood for independent rule can have understanding of the words that can be made up of the political alphabet.

    20. A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions excited by the pursuit of power and honors and the disorders arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgment, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cannot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable; for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.
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    WE ARE DESPOTS

    21. It is only with a despotic ruler that plans can be elaborated extensively and clearly in such a way as to distribute the whole properly among the several parts of the machinery of the State: from this the conclusion is inevitable that a satisfactory form of government for any country is one that concentrates in the hands of one responsible person. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence for civilization which is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is savage, and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest degree of savagery.

    22. Behold the alcoholic animals, bemused with drink, the right to an immoderate use of which comes along with freedom. It is not for us and ours to walk that road. The peoples of the goyim are bemused with alcoholic liquors; their youth has grown stupid on classicism and from early immorality, into which it has been inducted by our special agents – by tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the goyim. In the number of these last I count also the so-called “society ladies,” voluntary followers of the others in corruption and luxury.

    23. Our countersign is – Force and Make-believe. Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe the rule for governments which do not want to lay down their crowns at the feet of agents of some new power. This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.

    24. Our State, marching along the path of peaceful conquest, has the right to replace the horrors of war by less noticeable and more satisfactory sentences of death, necessary to maintain the terror which tends to produce blind submission. Just but merciless severity is the greatest factor of strength in the State: not only for the sake of gain but also in the name of duty, for the sake of victory, we must keep to the programme of violence and make-believe. The doctrine of squaring accounts is precisely as strong as the means of which it makes use. Therefore it is not so much by the means themselves as by the doctrine of severity that we shall triumph and bring all governments into subjection to our super-government. It is enough for them to know that we are too merciless for all disobedience to cease.
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    WE SHALL END LIBERTY

    25. Far back in ancient times we were the first to cry among the masses of the people the words “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” words many times repeated since these days by stupid poll-parrots who, from all sides around, flew down upon these baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world, true freedom of the individual, formerly so well guarded against the pressure of the mob. The would-be wise men of the goyim, the intellectuals, could not make anything out of the uttered words in their abstractedness; did not see that in nature there is no equality, cannot be freedom: that Nature herself has established inequality of minds, of characters, and capacities, just as immutably as she has established subordination to her laws: never stopped to think that the mob is a blind thing, that upstarts elected from among it to bear rule are, in regard to the political, the same blind men as the mob itself, that the adept, though he be a fool, can yet rule, whereas the non-adept, even if he were a genius, understands nothing in the political – to all those things the goyim paid no regard; yet all the time it was based upon these things that dynastic rule rested: the father passed on to the son a knowledge of the course of political affairs in such wise that none should know it but members of the dynasty and none could betray it to the governed. As time went on, the meaning of the dynastic transference of the true position of affairs in the political was lost, and this aided the success of our cause.

    26. In all corners of the earth the words “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” brought to our ranks, thanks to our blind agents, whole legions who bore our banners with enthusiasm. And all the time these words were canker-worms at work boring into the well-being of the goyim, putting an end everywhere to peace, quiet, solidarity and destroying all the foundations of the goy States. As you will see later, this helped us to our triumph: it gave us the possibility, among other things, of getting into our hands the master card – the destruction of the privileges, or in other words of the very existence of the aristocracy of the goyim, that class which was the only defense peoples and countries had against us. On the ruins of the natural and genealogical aristocracy of the goyim we have set up the aristocracy of our educated class headed by the aristocracy of money. The qualifications for this aristocracy we have established in wealth, which is dependent upon us, and in knowledge, for which our learned elders provide the motive force.

    27. Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men, whom we wanted, we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the human mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability for material needs of man; and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyze initiative, for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities.

    28. The abstraction of freedom has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove.

    29. It is this possibility of replacing the representatives of the people which has placed at our disposal, and, as it were, given us the power of appointment.

    [etc.]
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    PROTOCOL No. 23

    1. That the peoples may become accustomed to obedience it is necessary to inculcate lessons of humility and therefore to reduce the production of articles of luxury. By this we shall improve morals which have been debased by emulation in the sphere of luxury. We shall re-establish small master production which will mean laying a mine under the private capital of manufactures. This is indispensable also for the reason that manufacturers on the grand scale often move, though not always consciously, the thoughts of the masses in directions against the government. A people of small masters knows nothing of unemployment and this binds him closely with existing order, and consequently with the firmness of authority. For us its part will have been played out the moment authority is transferred into our hands. Drunkenness also will be prohibited by law and punishable as a crime against the humanness of man who is turned into a brute under the influence of alcohol.

    2. Subjects, I repeat once more, give blind obedience only to the strong hand which is absolutely independent of them, for in it they feel the sword of defense and support against social scourges …. What do they want with an angelic spirit in a king? What they have to see in him is the personification of force and power.

    3. The supreme lord who will replace all now existing rulers, dragging in their existence among societies demoralized by us, societies that have denied even the authority of God, from whose midst breeds out on all sides the fire of anarchy, must first of all proceed to quench this all-devouring flame. Therefore he will be obliged to kill off those existing societies, though he should drench them with his own blood, that he may resurrect them again in the form of regularly organized troops fighting consciously with every kind of infection that may cover the body of the State with sores.

    4. This Chosen One of God is chosen from above to demolish the senseless forces moved by instinct and not reason, by brutishness and not humanness. These forces now triumph in manifestations of robbery and every kind of violence under the mask of principles of freedom and rights. They have overthrown all forms of social order to erect on the ruins the throne of the King of the Jews; but their part will be played out the moment he enters into his kingdom. Then it will be necessary to sweep them away from his path, on which must be left no knot, no splinter.

    5. Then will it be possible for us to say to the peoples of the world: “Give thanks to God and bow the knee before him who bears on his front the seal of the predestination of man, to which God himself has led his star that none other but Him might free us from all the before-mentioned forces and evils”.
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    PROTOCOL No. 24

    1. I pass now to the method of confirming the dynastic roots of King David to the last strata of the earth.

    2. This confirmation will first and foremost be included in that which to this day has rested the force of conservatism by our learned elders of the conduct of the affairs of the world, in the directing of the education of thought of all humanity.

    3. Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the kings and their heirs, selecting not by right of heritage but by eminent capacities, inducting them into the most secret mysteries of the political, into schemes of government, but providing always that none may come to knowledge of the secrets. The object of this mode of action is that all may know that government cannot be entrusted to those who have not been inducted into the secret places of its art ….

    4. To these persons only will be taught the practical application of the aforenamed plans by comparison of the experiences of many centuries, all the observations on the politico-economic moves and social sciences – in a word, all the spirit of laws which have been unshakably established by nature herself for the regulation of the relations of humanity.

    5. Direct heirs will often be set aside from ascending the throne if in their time of training they exhibit frivolity, softness and other qualities that are the ruin of authority, which render them incapable of governing and in themselves dangerous for kingly office.

    6. Only those who are unconditionally capable for firm, even if it be to cruelty, direct rule will receive the reins of rule from our learned elders.

    7. In case of falling sick with weakness of will or other form of incapacity. kings must by law hand over the reins of rule to new and capable hands.

    8. The king’s plan of action for the current moment, and all the more so for the future, will be unknown, even to those who are called his closest counselors.

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    I forgot to mention the long quote above is from Canadian writer Clare Ellis’ essay on “Ideological and Geopolitical Origins of the EU, Part I: Richard von Coundenhove-Kalergi’s Pan-Europa”

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    Lurker_Bob: “And by the way, Sweden is particularly targeted because it is the country that had an eugenics program for the longest …They must be penalised for attempting to fashion a better people”

    I wish Lurker Bob would comment more often so I could go back to lurking.

    What’s the worst thing in the whole wide world? Genocide of course!

    And Eugenics causes Genocide! (where’s my fainting couch as I clutch my pearls?)

    Thank god progressive, noble anti-eugenicists have saved Europe and the USA from Dreaded Eugenics by the blessed miracles of multiculturalism, mass immigration and dysgenics

    But why haven’t these same anti-eugenicists ever lifted a finger to save the poor Israelis?

    Because Israelis are not merely threatened by Eugenics – they’re under attack! So far they’ve been lucky and despite 65 years of practising eugenics they’ve managed to stave off genocide

    So far, so good

    But white Europeans should do a lot more to help our Israeli friends Open their Borders so they too can become mixed race low IQ Eurasian Negroids like us, and find their salvation in dysgenics!

    Against Good Breeding: Understanding Jewish opposition to Eugenics:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/07/against-good-breeding/

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    “Ijon Tichy wakes up from suspended animation in the future and finds that people now routinely partake of “psycho-chemical” drugs that can induce realistic hallucinations or waking dreams.

    it seems everyone indulges fantasies of profound and unmitigated evil, popping pills so they can hallucinate the act of torture, sexual assault and murder.

    Tichy begins to panic as he comes to the realization that he is trapped in a world in which the worst in humanity has been brought out by the power to simulate the look and feel of reality
    .
    he learns that nothing in this society is what it appears to be

    It turns out that a pharmacological dictatorship has been secretly subjecting the population to another set of psycho-chemical drugs to induce a collective hallucination

    As a result, everyone sees a utopia of luxury, well-tended nature and advanced technology

    when the economy, the environment and the physical integrity of the people themselves are actually in a state of collapse

    In a passage toward the end of the novel, a character named Symington, who turns out to be the dictator behind this faux paradise, rationalizes the greatest cover-up in history:

    the immersion of humanity in an illusion to conceal the end of the world.

    “‘We keep this civilization narcotized, for otherwise it could not endure itself. That is why its sleep must not be disturbed…” Symington tells Tichy

    (from Stanislaw Lem, The Futurological Congress)

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