Sentences (#83)

Hard to remember last seeing so much geopolitical insight being packed into a single, simple sentence:

The CIA is institutionally quite close with the Saudis right now, and has been in charge of their covert war against Assad.

December 11, 2016admin 26 Comments »
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  • FromTheNewWorld Says:

    The connection is plausible but it’s far more likely that the perceived master is the actual pawn. The Saudis are a bunch of buffoons.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    So as not to be misunderstood, I don’t believe the CIA is a paragon of competence. But you know how it is: in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Whats probably a more interesting question, than which spooks are helping the spook organizer delegitimize the Trump carnival, Is if indeed we were to throw the Saudis under the Russian tanks, who might they turn to? Or better yet what secrets might they leak in retaliation?

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    Posted on December 11th, 2016 at 7:50 am Reply | Quote
  • SVErshov Says:

    when Putin and W Bush met to discuss some business. Putin asked: what your CIA guys still doing in Chechnia. Bush pretended he dont know nothing and said: – Let me get back and I will kick some asses.

    After some time Russian FSB got official respond: we do what ever we want, anywhere we want it to do.

    of course relations with CIA kind of detremential for Trump presidency. Com0n, You know why Indian girls keep sugar under thier pollows? They want to see sweet dreams.

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    Posted on December 11th, 2016 at 10:32 am Reply | Quote
  • darkreformation101 Says:

    The game seems to be to discredit Trump. Steve Sailor is talking about a coup.

    I saw the following from ZeroHedge and I would love to know what people think:

    The first priority is developing a whole-of-government strategy for countering foreign propaganda and disinformation. The bill would increase the authority, resources, and mandate of the Global Engagement Center to include state actors like Russia and China in addition to violent extremists. The Center will be led by the State Department, but with the active senior level participation of the Department of Defense, USAID, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the Intelligence Community, and other relevant agencies. The Center will develop, integrate, and synchronize whole-of-government initiatives to expose and counter foreign disinformation operations and proactively advance fact-based narratives that support U.S. allies and interests.

    Second, the legislation seeks to leverage expertise from outside government to create more adaptive and responsive U.S. strategy options. The legislation establishes a fund to help train local journalists and provide grants and contracts to NGOs, civil society organizations, think tanks, private sector companies, media organizations, and other experts outside the U.S. government with experience in identifying and analyzing the latest trends in foreign government disinformation techniques. This fund will complement and support the Center’s role by integrating capabilities and expertise available outside the U.S. government into the strategy-making process. It will also empower a decentralized network of private sector experts and integrate their expertise into the strategy-making process.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/senate-quietly-passes-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act

    Accurate?
    Significant?
    Thoughts?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Sadly its exactly what they are doing, I now think they did 911, and did it to get the laws changed to legalize a surveillance state that was completely illegal in the US. It had to be legalized because the scope they wanted was so massive it could not be done in secret. Now they are moving to stage two, speech/thought control.This is why Im a tech futurist skeptic. You have to stay ahead of Darpa etc,and they pay really well and already know everything youre doing they can pretty much tell what you are even going to think before you think it.
    If the the above is true they will kill you if you are a threat, can you really become a threat without getting noticed? I suppose we could hope that we are so toxic we are red pilling the readers assigned to neoreaction. But its probably more likely Land and Moldbug are NSA.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Its almost sure that Putin is continuing the propaganda cold war in a major way lately, but whats whats and why is a bit tricky , Assange says it was not Russia who leaked Podesta and DNC, he hints is was FBI. Who knows, the more important question is, is Putin a friend of the right or something else entirely, and what that might be.
    It seems to me, but Im no expert, that Russia and the west have a lot in common, and china threatens us, both and together we crush china easily, and apart he has to pair with china to survive short term, but first step is crush leftism.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    Putin is a friend of those who has real power, he demonstrated many times that he can play along CIA lines, even CIA never asked him about that.

    Posted on December 11th, 2016 at 3:41 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    Since recently beginning to believe 911 was an inside job, [since the govt now concurs buildings fell at the speed of gravity, and there really are high pressure gushers of molten metal shooting out in places which cant be explained, and other things] It occurs all that Saudi hand holding could easily translate into, ‘ please send some of your terrorists into the three world trade center tower [including tower 7] and we will be able to better help you stay in power.

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    Posted on December 11th, 2016 at 5:15 pm Reply | Quote
  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Everybody wants to rule the world, or at least the middle east. Strategically, it is not a bad plan to have it under the control of subject empires. We need the oil, perhaps, but we also need to make sure we can cut off the flow to the bad guys if they start acting up. This means that the CIA, by serving our interests there, hopes to ultimately dominate them. Sometimes their grandiose plans work out okay. In service of democracy, however, this will always be a bad outcome!

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Right. These threads don’t consider the oil-as-power angle nearly enough. However, at the Empty Wheel link above, commenter Rayne makes an interesting observation about cozier ties between Russia and U.S. that contradicts your point.:

    we are talking about a virtual shut out of Saudi+OPEC+Iran oil to make both Russia+U.S. viable.

    That would fit with Trump’s utter disinterest in the Middle East. He has no interesting in controlling it. He would much rather neutralize its energy power, pull a Colonel Kurtz on ISIS, then leave the Muslims to wallow in their self-imposed misery while Russia and the U.S. supply the world with oil for the next few hundred years.

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    Salger Reply:

    Could Trump pull it off?

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Time will tell. From a purely economic nationalist perspective, it makes a lot of sense to try.

    Posted on December 11th, 2016 at 6:30 pm Reply | Quote
  • Seth Largo Says:

    I have no faith in the intelligence of state apparatchiks. That said, I can’t believe anyone would be stupid enough to think that “Wikileaks,” “DNC email hacks,” “John Podesta,” or “classified information on unsecured servers” would ever influence the voting behavior of flyover-state whites. The entire premise of this discussion is absurd, even if it does open interesting discussion from other angles.

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    Ryan C Reply:

    it is an absurdist comedy.

    “No one hacked her email server.”

    “Russians hacked the private emails of multiple Democrats.”

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    When you live in a bubble you don’t know you live in a bubble. Trump won because he implemented the Sailer strategy and dared to even say the word “border” out loud.

    To channel Sailer again, the media and Obama’s circle are applying Occam’s Butterknife and don’t realize how stupid they sound. Russian hacking? Are they worried about fluoridation too?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was –0.45 (95% confidence interval: –0.56, –0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas. Subgroup and sensitivity analyses also indicated inverse associations, although the substantial heterogeneity did not appear to decrease.”

    http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1104912/

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    OK, Brig. Gen. Ripper. Five more seconds of googling with a focus on replicability and then return.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “Dr Brittany Seymour, assistant professor in oral health policy and epidemiology at Harvard School of Dental Medicine, debunks unreliable claims about water fluoridation in this new video, providing much-needed information and context to the often misrepresented Harvard Study on fluoridation and children’s IQ.

    Critics of water fluoridation have successfully used the internet to circulate misleading conclusions about 27 studies that were evaluated in 2012 by researchers affiliated with Harvard. These studies, nearly all of them from China, explored whether there were associations between fluoride and children’s IQ scores. Watch the video, produced by the Harvard School of Dental Medicine, for a brief background on these studies and clarification of the evidence.”

    says Campaign for Dental Health.

    Yet Fluoride Alert provides “more” info:

    As of September 2016, a total of 57 studies have investigated the relationship between fluoride and human intelligence, and over 40 studies have investigated the relationship fluoride and learning/memory in animals. Of these investigations, 50 of the 57 human studies have found that elevated fluoride exposure is associated with reduced IQ, while 45 animal studies have found that fluoride exposure impairs the learning and/or memory capacity of animals. The human studies, which are based on IQ examinations of over 12,000 children, provide compelling evidence that fluoride exposure during the early years of life can damage a child’s developing brain.

    After reviewing 27 of the human IQ studies, a team of Harvard scientists concluded that fluoride’s effect on the young brain should now be a “high research priority.” (Choi, et al 2012). Other reviewers have reached similar conclusions, including the prestigious National Research Council (NRC), and scientists in the Neurotoxicology Division of the Environmental Protection Agency (Mundy, et al). In the table below, we summarize the results from the 50 studies that have found associations between fluoride and reduced IQ and provide links to full-text copies of the studies. For a discussion of the 7 studies that did not find an association between fluoride and IQ, click here.
    Quick Facts About the 50 Studies:

    Location of Studies: China (32), India (13), Iran (4), and Mexico (1).

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    What are we saying, this is a part of the China nonreplicability phenomenon?

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    That’s one study. Are we saying that correlation = causation? And, gee, I can’t think of any other factors that might lower IQ, like nutrition. And how did the Flynn effect take hold if fluoride was decimating IQ?

    Please get a job or lift weights or something.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    um it says “As of September 2016, a total of 57 studies have investigated the relationship between fluoride and human intelligence, and over 40 studies have investigated the relationship fluoride and learning/memory in animals.”

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    That is one study (the Harvard study) examining other studies conducted over 22 years in countries where fluoride leaches into the water in massive doses, not where fluoride is added in low levels to prevent tooth decay. What other factors are at play in fucking MEXICO and INDIA that might contribute to lower IQ besides ungodly doses of leached fluoride?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Fluoride is not foodstuff. It´s not good for your brain.

    Also, « In terms of general health, in communities where drinking water and foodstuffs are excessively high in fluoride, skeletal fluorosis and bone fracture are the most relevant adverse effects. However, there are also other sources of fluoride. ».

    Quoted part from World Health Organization
    September 2004.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    I’m shocked to return and discover Eiriksson hijacking another thread with irrelevancies.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Who cares.

    Posted on December 11th, 2016 at 8:59 pm Reply | Quote

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