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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Handle&lt;/strong&gt; ... the weirdness-slayer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Handle</strong> &#8230; the weirdness-slayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 02:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@admin&lt;/strong&gt;  Try &quot;Hitler&quot; with a capital H.  ngram is finicky that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@admin</strong>  Try &#8220;Hitler&#8221; with a capital H.  ngram is finicky that way.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 02:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’ve never heard unholy used, or ever used it myself, to mean anything other that &#039;negatively holy.&#039;” -- You&#039;re totally right on this, my quibble self-destructed into its own nonsense 7.3 nanoseconds after being submitted. (My only excuse is  caffeine deficiency.)

Regarding sacred abomination, &#039;Hitler&#039; is more relevant than &#039;fascist&#039;, and the Ngram for &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=hitler&amp;year_start=1900&amp;year_end=2000&amp;corpus=15&amp;smoothing=3&amp;share=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that&lt;/a&gt; is even weirder (though still consistent with your suggestion). ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve never heard unholy used, or ever used it myself, to mean anything other that &#8216;negatively holy.&#8217;” &#8212; You&#8217;re totally right on this, my quibble self-destructed into its own nonsense 7.3 nanoseconds after being submitted. (My only excuse is  caffeine deficiency.)</p>
<p>Regarding sacred abomination, &#8216;Hitler&#8217; is more relevant than &#8216;fascist&#8217;, and the Ngram for <a href="http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=hitler&#038;year_start=1900&#038;year_end=2000&#038;corpus=15&#038;smoothing=3&#038;share=" rel="nofollow">that</a> is even weirder (though still consistent with your suggestion). </p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose I&#039;m a product of my environment. I&#039;ve never heard unholy used, or ever used it myself, to mean anything other that &quot;negatively holy&quot;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unholy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wicked, Immoral&lt;/a&gt; etc.

I may, however, be holding on too tightly to &quot;fascist&quot;.  My sense is that I don&#039;t hear it said or read it written much as I used to.  But look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fascist&amp;year_start=1800&amp;year_end=2000&amp;corpus=15&amp;smoothing=3&amp;share=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ngram&lt;/a&gt;.  That&#039;s an odd shape to see - it makes sense for this particular word, but still.  It looks like the baby boom, and the &quot;echo&quot; generation, and the &quot;echo&#039;s echo&quot;.  Interesting.

Nevertheless, my guess is that the postwar boom, peaking in the mid 70&#039;s, was more in the Orwellian &quot;fascist as generic content-flexible insult&quot; sense, whereas the current stable plateau is WWII-era history.  I haven&#039;t seen &#039;insult fascist&#039; used lately, and even &#039;anti-fascist&#039; seems dated.  For many on the American Left, &quot;Republican&quot; or &quot;Evangelical&quot; pretty much serves that purpose nowadays anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I&#8217;m a product of my environment. I&#8217;ve never heard unholy used, or ever used it myself, to mean anything other that &#8220;negatively holy&#8221;.  <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unholy" rel="nofollow">Wicked, Immoral</a> etc.</p>
<p>I may, however, be holding on too tightly to &#8220;fascist&#8221;.  My sense is that I don&#8217;t hear it said or read it written much as I used to.  But look at the <a href="http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fascist&amp;year_start=1800&amp;year_end=2000&amp;corpus=15&amp;smoothing=3&amp;share=" rel="nofollow">ngram</a>.  That&#8217;s an odd shape to see &#8211; it makes sense for this particular word, but still.  It looks like the baby boom, and the &#8220;echo&#8221; generation, and the &#8220;echo&#8217;s echo&#8221;.  Interesting.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, my guess is that the postwar boom, peaking in the mid 70&#8217;s, was more in the Orwellian &#8220;fascist as generic content-flexible insult&#8221; sense, whereas the current stable plateau is WWII-era history.  I haven&#8217;t seen &#8216;insult fascist&#8217; used lately, and even &#8216;anti-fascist&#8217; seems dated.  For many on the American Left, &#8220;Republican&#8221; or &#8220;Evangelical&#8221; pretty much serves that purpose nowadays anyway.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 00:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent. I&#039;d disagree about the word &#039;fascism&#039; though. It&#039;s a holy word (just as &#039;Satan&#039; is), but morally inverted. The unholy (profane) antonym to sacred Democracy is something more like &#039;commerce&#039; (or even &#039;free-market capitalism&#039;).

It might be reasonably objected that &#039;unholy&#039; often does mean &#039;negatively holy&#039; (the darkly numinous), so this quibble is more about making a point than staking out a disagreement. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent. I&#8217;d disagree about the word &#8216;fascism&#8217; though. It&#8217;s a holy word (just as &#8216;Satan&#8217; is), but morally inverted. The unholy (profane) antonym to sacred Democracy is something more like &#8216;commerce&#8217; (or even &#8216;free-market capitalism&#8217;).</p>
<p>It might be reasonably objected that &#8216;unholy&#8217; often does mean &#8216;negatively holy&#8217; (the darkly numinous), so this quibble is more about making a point than staking out a disagreement. </p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taking ownership of &quot;the true nature&quot; of some concept.  (or, instead of true, &quot;proper&quot;, &quot;superior&quot;, &quot;traditional&quot;, &quot;pure&quot;, &quot;uncorrupted&quot;, etc.) What is the nature of this phenomenon?  Any set of ideas, (and the skimming, or at least, polite-society tolerance of the elite, respectable proponents thereof), can be co-opted by wedging the aspects of it which pose no danger to the &quot;Enlightened Agenda&quot;, (PEA) from those that might effectively retard progress.  The playground name-calling social tactics (&quot;cranks&quot;, &quot;nerds&quot;, &quot;obsessed&quot;, &quot;weirdos&quot;, and my favorite &quot;creepy&quot; (see: Roissy) ) are sufficient &quot;argument&quot; in this regard.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://foseti.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/this-week-in-democracy/#comment-17552&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Consider&lt;/a&gt; and my follow-up &lt;a href=&quot;http://foseti.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/this-week-in-democracy/#comment-17587&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; and now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-secrets-of-princeton.html?hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Douthat&lt;/a&gt; (HT: Sailer)

What is &quot;Democracy&quot; to the Progressive when it is &quot;True&quot;?  When what most of the people want is not on the PEA, it is not &quot;Democratic, but Retrograde&quot; but &quot;Undemocratic&quot; (!)  (Obviously, this is an &quot;Undemocratic&quot; lament, but one cannot allow oneself to be thought, or think oneself &quot;Undemocratic&quot;. So why not call your opponents &quot;Undemocratic&quot; when they are most certainly &quot;Democratic&quot;?)  What is Democracy?  Like de Benoist explained, &quot;A content-flexible holy word&quot;.  Basically the opposite of Orwell&#039;s &quot;Fascist&quot;, a content-flexible unholy-word.

What are &quot;Human Rights.&quot; Maybe &quot;freedom of religion&quot; and &quot;freedom of speech&quot; (ha!) - but we see the way they treat the religious - or at least &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/5/dod-presentation-classifies-catholics-evangelicals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christians&lt;/a&gt; and &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://orthopraxis.tumblr.com/post/47292961351/closertothelost-restlesshippo-ams-calls-on&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mormans&lt;/a&gt;&quot; - when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/11/6758/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;they go against the PEA&lt;/a&gt;.  So there are Human Rights and &quot;Human Rights&quot; (i.e. PEA Human Rights.)  What indeed are &quot;Freedom&quot; and &quot;Liberty&quot; (and didn&#039;t the original progressives, New Dealers, Communists, etc. all ask this exact question and answer with their own &quot;True Liberty&quot;, &quot;Freedom properly conceived&quot;, &quot;Rights, but in context&quot;, etc.?)

So, you could call it &quot;Progressive Democracy&quot; or &quot;PEA Democracy&quot; or just &quot;Respectable Democracy&quot;, respectable defined by &quot;those in our society that get to participate in defining &#039;respectable&#039;&quot; (and if you want a better definition of &quot;The Cathedral&quot;, I can&#039;t think of one).

And now we have &quot;PEA Libertarians&quot; like Moldbug&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/010314.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unitarian Muslims&lt;/a&gt;&quot; and &quot;Protestant&quot; and &quot;Unitarian&quot; and all the rest just mean &quot;PEA&quot;, i.e. &quot;Holy&quot;.

And, the remarkable thing is that the &quot;PEA&quot; and the &quot;True&quot; and so on can now be completely dropped, the default presumption, against which there is always wickedness and evil and playground insults.  You don&#039;t have to say &quot;Freedom is Slavery&quot; or &quot;War is Peace&quot;.  You can just say peace and mean &quot;Peace&quot;, i.e. war.  You can just say undemocratic and mean &quot;Undemocratic&quot;, i.e. anti-PEA Democratic.  Libertarianism means &quot;Libertarianism&quot; i.e &quot;PEA Libertarianism&quot;, which, as we know, is hardly obsessed at all with &#039;free markets&#039;&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking ownership of &#8220;the true nature&#8221; of some concept.  (or, instead of true, &#8220;proper&#8221;, &#8220;superior&#8221;, &#8220;traditional&#8221;, &#8220;pure&#8221;, &#8220;uncorrupted&#8221;, etc.) What is the nature of this phenomenon?  Any set of ideas, (and the skimming, or at least, polite-society tolerance of the elite, respectable proponents thereof), can be co-opted by wedging the aspects of it which pose no danger to the &#8220;Enlightened Agenda&#8221;, (PEA) from those that might effectively retard progress.  The playground name-calling social tactics (&#8220;cranks&#8221;, &#8220;nerds&#8221;, &#8220;obsessed&#8221;, &#8220;weirdos&#8221;, and my favorite &#8220;creepy&#8221; (see: Roissy) ) are sufficient &#8220;argument&#8221; in this regard.</p>
<p><a href="http://foseti.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/this-week-in-democracy/#comment-17552" rel="nofollow">Consider</a> and my follow-up <a href="http://foseti.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/this-week-in-democracy/#comment-17587" rel="nofollow"> and now </a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-secrets-of-princeton.html?hp" rel="nofollow">Douthat</a> (HT: Sailer)</p>
<p>What is &#8220;Democracy&#8221; to the Progressive when it is &#8220;True&#8221;?  When what most of the people want is not on the PEA, it is not &#8220;Democratic, but Retrograde&#8221; but &#8220;Undemocratic&#8221; (!)  (Obviously, this is an &#8220;Undemocratic&#8221; lament, but one cannot allow oneself to be thought, or think oneself &#8220;Undemocratic&#8221;. So why not call your opponents &#8220;Undemocratic&#8221; when they are most certainly &#8220;Democratic&#8221;?)  What is Democracy?  Like de Benoist explained, &#8220;A content-flexible holy word&#8221;.  Basically the opposite of Orwell&#8217;s &#8220;Fascist&#8221;, a content-flexible unholy-word.</p>
<p>What are &#8220;Human Rights.&#8221; Maybe &#8220;freedom of religion&#8221; and &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; (ha!) &#8211; but we see the way they treat the religious &#8211; or at least <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/5/dod-presentation-classifies-catholics-evangelicals/" rel="nofollow">Christians</a> and &#8220;<a href="http://orthopraxis.tumblr.com/post/47292961351/closertothelost-restlesshippo-ams-calls-on" rel="nofollow">Mormans</a>&#8221; &#8211; when <a href="http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/11/6758/" rel="nofollow">they go against the PEA</a>.  So there are Human Rights and &#8220;Human Rights&#8221; (i.e. PEA Human Rights.)  What indeed are &#8220;Freedom&#8221; and &#8220;Liberty&#8221; (and didn&#8217;t the original progressives, New Dealers, Communists, etc. all ask this exact question and answer with their own &#8220;True Liberty&#8221;, &#8220;Freedom properly conceived&#8221;, &#8220;Rights, but in context&#8221;, etc.?)</p>
<p>So, you could call it &#8220;Progressive Democracy&#8221; or &#8220;PEA Democracy&#8221; or just &#8220;Respectable Democracy&#8221;, respectable defined by &#8220;those in our society that get to participate in defining &#8216;respectable'&#8221; (and if you want a better definition of &#8220;The Cathedral&#8221;, I can&#8217;t think of one).</p>
<p>And now we have &#8220;PEA Libertarians&#8221; like Moldbug&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/010314.html" rel="nofollow">Unitarian Muslims</a>&#8221; and &#8220;Protestant&#8221; and &#8220;Unitarian&#8221; and all the rest just mean &#8220;PEA&#8221;, i.e. &#8220;Holy&#8221;.</p>
<p>And, the remarkable thing is that the &#8220;PEA&#8221; and the &#8220;True&#8221; and so on can now be completely dropped, the default presumption, against which there is always wickedness and evil and playground insults.  You don&#8217;t have to say &#8220;Freedom is Slavery&#8221; or &#8220;War is Peace&#8221;.  You can just say peace and mean &#8220;Peace&#8221;, i.e. war.  You can just say undemocratic and mean &#8220;Undemocratic&#8221;, i.e. anti-PEA Democratic.  Libertarianism means &#8220;Libertarianism&#8221; i.e &#8220;PEA Libertarianism&#8221;, which, as we know, is hardly obsessed at all with &#8216;free markets'&#8221;.</p>
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