Spiritual Progress

Alex passed the link along (in this thread), so I thought I’d foreground it:

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It’s not really saying anything that will come as a surprise, but it’s worth endlessly repeating (and the color scheme helps to get it through the gate).

Whatever other arguments are available in favor of traditional religion, they need to be supplemented by the recognition that man is simply too damned stupid for the Death of God.

June 8, 2014admin 28 Comments »
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  • orlandu84 Says:

    It is a brilliant piece of propaganda: simple, direct, and insightful. Are you making t-shirts?

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  • Izak Says:

    Although the blog on the whole has its issues, Michael Enoch’s articles over at The Right Stuff on protestant Christian theology seeping into postmodern leftist atheism have been dynamite — especially his coverage on the White Privilege conference (here: http://therightstuff.biz/2014/04/03/agency-as-privilege-educating-for-justice/ ) and the raw foods fad (here: http://therightstuff.biz/2013/05/16/finding-god-through-your-anus/ )

    Someone really ought to write a book on this fairly basic observation, if only because there are now about a million different cultural examples to choose from.

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    MLR Reply:

    The Right Stuff is giving me huge ROI from the time I spend going back through their archives, especially wrt Bulbasaur’s material – such an insightful set of articles that draw together material from Moldbug, to TheLastPsychiatrist, to traditionalist thought. He’s none of those writers (more concise than Moldbug, witty like TLP) – it’s all really helping me -connect- some of the branches of NRx/Menciist thought together.

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    Izak Reply:

    Bulbasaur is pretty good. His great strength was in choosing to name himself after one of the Pokemon. That was a stroke of genius, right there. But I think that he produces way too many short blog posts with low-energy ideas.

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  • Alex Says:

    Credit for the graphic should go to ‘The Slymepit’, scourge of neopuritan atheism.

    (Another funny one: http://i.imgur.com/uKSE9.jpg)

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  • Alrenous Says:

    The ‘damned’ link has made me come to the conclusion that ignorance of psychology is much greater than I’d thought. I should be seeing his kinds of comments much more often.

    I think progressivism harps on oppression a lot because the citizens feel oppressed. When I was a progressive, I felt that way. But I think the most relevant oppressive factors are the inability to face your own thoughts and the inability to make certain decisions.

    The ‘stupid’ link makes me wonder if liberating yourself from this depends heavily on seizing the hypocrisy circuits by military coup. You’re going to pretend to have beliefs, independently of your real beliefs. Rationally speaking, you might as well consciously pick them to either empower yourself or to pretend to believe what you actually believe. They hypocrisy is well insulated from real behaviour but not entirely; it should be possible to install a set that leads toward making yourself superman, at least relative to your default self. However, the experiment necessary to find this set is to take a population of ordinary people and give them, by turns, various beliefs to change into like changing into outfits, until you hit one that works.

    I’m missing the point of the ‘Death’ link.

    The ‘God’ link just makes me feel insufferably superior. When I have to start correcting an author sentence-by-sentence to get anything useful out of them, I know I’m putting in more work than they did. Damon Linker is not a thinker, he’s a receiver of thoughts, and the only reason his thoughts aren’t atheist+ or whatever is he happened to latch onto a different repeater than they did.

    “If atheism is true, it is far from being good news….” The rest of that paragraph is entirely predictable by how it starts, meaning there was no scholarly point in writing it. Since some of the assertions are wrong, the rest of the essay is meditations on the logical consequences of error.

    I used to double-check my assessments by attempting to change their mind through argument. However, since I’m not their latched-onto repeater, it never worked.

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  • RorschachRomanov Says:

    Musings from the Outside- down the black hole into leftist singularity we go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhD4a7weQ0U

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    Chris B Reply:

    “Is this an atheist rally or a fucking KKK meeting” haha

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  • fotrkd Says:

    [M]an is simply too damned stupid for the Death of God.

    It certainly looks that way. But that ‘stupid’ needs unpacking. Elsewhere (e.g. Mou Zongsan), you’ve said it doesn’t matter how intelligent you are – time is the crucial factor. Collective Stockholm Syndrome requires a period of convalescence. Landauer talks of seclusion and stepping outside, similarly Gide (one of many French convalescents): ‘It took me three years to forget everything I had learnt’ (roughly). So a Great Convalescence – what would that look like?

    That said, I’ve just finished re-reading Twilight of the Idols and it’s as depressingly relevant today (Reich education in particular) as ever. Collectively too stupid? Probably. But Exit to Patchwork – a demonstration?

    Or not:

    The news coming from Al Moukhtara, through the agency of the dispatched spies, had at first disconcerted the Diwan, which after some time had been once again convened by the caliph. Instead of the disintegration that each of the members of the high jurisdiction had hoped for, the reports mentioned an undeniable consolidation of the community of paupers. Social organization, though based upon totally aberrant principles, seemed to have succeeded. Collective life in the city of renegades did not seem to raise any significant problems. The Minister of Justice even called attention to the fact that the reports made no mention of a crime rate. Was this an omission or an observation? The question was worth looking into.

    The problem that the creation of the new city presented was becoming rather worrisome. For if the secret information which the Diwan had at its disposal were made public, wasn’t there a risk of seeing this experiment exert a dangerous power of attraction upon easily impressionable souls? It was urgently necessary to prevent the information about the community of the Zanj from being broadcast. (The Astrolabe of the Sea, Shams Nadir)

    (Of course, the community of the Zanj wouldn’t actually have to exist for information to leak out…)

    ***

    Also, for fun, the opening lines of The Astrolabe:

    Read in an ancient Persian manuscript, entitled The Temple of Fire:

    In a Muslim university in Shiraz, there was a copper astrolabe fashioned in such a way that he who once looked upon it, could not escape its fascination; for this reason the king ordered it to be thrown into the very depths of the sea so that men should not forget the weight of the concrete and the empire of the real.

    Some people have (stupid) reasons for not wanting to be cured (and some for being quacks). So erode – or pervert – the reasons. Quel est le problème?!

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    E.Antony Gray (RiverC) Reply:

    (Of course, the community of the Zanj wouldn’t actually have to exist for information to leak out…)

    and the true history of the Rosicrucians that no one sufficiently invested in the occult will ever admit, in one line.

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    fotrkd Reply:

    POMPEY
    [Aside to MENAS] Go hang, sir, hang! Tell me of
    that? away!
    Do as I bid you. Where’s this cup I call’d for?

    MENAS
    [Aside to POMPEY] If for the sake of merit thou
    wilt hear me,
    Rise from thy stool.

    POMPEY
    [Aside to MENAS] I think thou’rt mad.
    The matter?
    Rises, and walks aside

    MENAS
    I have ever held my cap off to thy fortunes.

    POMPEY
    Thou hast served me with much faith. What’s else to say?
    Be jolly, lords.

    MARK ANTONY
    These quick-sands, Lepidus,
    Keep off them, for you sink.

    MENAS
    Wilt thou be lord of all the world?

    POMPEY
    What say’st thou?

    MENAS
    Wilt thou be lord of the whole world? That’s twice.

    POMPEY
    How should that be?

    MENAS
    But entertain it,
    And, though thou think me poor, I am the man
    Will give thee all the world.

    POMPEY
    Hast thou drunk well?

    MENAS
    Now, Pompey, I have kept me from the cup.
    Thou art, if thou darest be, the earthly Jove:
    Whate’er the ocean pales, or sky inclips,
    Is thine, if thou wilt ha’t.

    POMPEY
    Show me which way.

    MENAS
    These three world-sharers, these competitors,
    Are in thy vessel: let me cut the cable;
    And, when we are put off, fall to their throats:
    All there is thine.

    POMPEY
    Ah, this thou shouldst have done,
    And not have spoke on’t! In me ’tis villany;
    In thee’t had been good service. Thou must know,
    ‘Tis not my profit that does lead mine honour;
    Mine honour, it. Repent that e’er thy tongue
    Hath so betray’d thine act: being done unknown,
    I should have found it afterwards well done;
    But must condemn it now. Desist, and drink.

    MENAS
    [Aside] For this,
    I’ll never follow thy pall’d fortunes more.
    Who seeks, and will not take when once ’tis offer’d,
    Shall never find it more.

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    fotrkd Reply:

    Zanj + Bitcoin + AI wallets… Mwahahhahahahahahhaha!!!!

    Posted on June 8th, 2014 at 6:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • E.Antony Gray (RiverC) Says:

    What. Um, Nietzsche didn’t literally mean that God had died. What is this.

    Um.

    “Ritual is prior to belief” -> Modern life eliminates ritual in favor impulsive behaviors -> faith is dead

    Wow. I’ve never seen such a mishandling of ‘υπερ ουσία’ in all muh born daze

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  • Arcane Says:

    I’m a bit confused here…

    Being that Communists were always atheist and considered religion to be “the opium of the people”m isn’t “Atheism Plus” just a new name for “Communist”?

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    admin Reply:

    That’s a very persuasive gloss.

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  • RorschachRomanov Says:

    Scandinavian populations have some of the highest “well being” indexes in the world.

    They have high rates of atheism and cherish their democratic socialism.

    Is this problematic for neo-reaction?

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    Chris B Reply:

    @RorschachRomanov
    No. The Scandinavians are very odd. I would not put much value in the indexes. Remember it was Norway which produced Brevik.
    Under the surface somewhere, it seems to me they are screaming. It would explain their hyper progresivism. The stronger the “sin” the stronger the need to cleanse it.
    The interesting point will be when Sweden officially becomes a third world country.

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    admin Reply:

    Our posts crossed — yours is the more muscular response.

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    admin Reply:

    It can’t be less than problematic. If the Scandi model could convince us it was sustainable, it would be a huge problem. (Actually, it would amount to something close to a moral refutation of Gnon / vindication of the Cathedral.)

    Atheism, demographic suicide, and socialism — demonstrably cherished by nature-or-nature’s-god — yikes!

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    Mai La Dreapta Reply:

    I wouldn’t quite say that. The Patchwork/neocameralist model asserts different strokes for different folks, and it’s plausible that democratic socialism works just dandy for blond-haired northerners who speak languages with terrifying vowel phonologies. The problem comes when non-blondes who speak languages with terrifying consonant phonologies flood across the borders, and the very ideology which is so comfortable for Swedes renders them unable to resist.

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  • Famous J Says:

    I’m curious what your take on the Chinese vis-a-vis religion might be. My (extremely sketchy) understanding is that while the Chinese are highly superstitious, they aren’t religious. In any case, most people manage to live their lives without any well-formed idea of a Higher Power.

    If one believes that an irreligious civilization is nigh impossible, any thoughts on how the Chinese might have pulled it off? My working theory is “the Chinese are different”, but that isn’t particularly satisfying.

    (It’s also possible I haven’t the slightest idea about the Chinese on this subject and I’m utterly wrong on this.)

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    superstitions are generally a way to replace religion where it is not formalized. People who do not understand their religion are characterized most often ass being superstitious (Peasants for instance) so we could at least on the surface conclude that superstition is a kind of unformed religion.

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    Mai La Dreapta Reply:

    Idem. The distinction between “superstition” and “religion” is unsustainable, and the attempt to make the distinction is an artifact of Protestantism and the Counter-Reformation. IOWs the Chinese are plenty religious, but not very Protestant. Which should not be surprising.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    no, there is a distinction. However, I think they cannot be separated from one another (if this is what you mean) – Protestants, because their religion is focused nearly entirely on mentation, tend to group all non-protestant (i.e. all non-reading-thinking) practices conveniently as ‘superstition’. Superstition is simply idiosyncratic religion.

    I think the same problem exists with ‘cult’ and ‘religion’ as well. They are not separate though the Protestant view tends to unnaturally cleave them.

    Both of these are best summed up as ‘anti-Roman Catholicism’ and can easily be characterized as attempts to negate Roman claims and nothing more.

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  • VXXC Says:

    THIS LIKE STOLEN

    “Whatever other arguments are available in favor of traditional religion, they need to be supplemented by the recognition that man is simply too damned stupid for the Death of God.”

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  • E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Says:

    @RorschachRomanov I wouldn’t find it so problematic… what if those things work for them, but not for others? Inductive reasoning states that to prove a proposition for all it is not sufficient to prove a proposition for one. Nor even two, three, etc. One must further provide a way to provably generalize the proposition.

    I do however take note of a comfortable nihilism in some folks from that region I’ve met/talked to… they are materially ‘happy’ for sure… but perhaps only because that is all they know to hope for.

    The demographic suicide however makes me feel like it’s just a really nice hospice.

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  • Contemplationist Says:

    @RorschachRomanov

    The Scandi countries also rank near the top of Economic Freedom indices.
    Their socialism is of the distributive, not the bureaucratic kind.
    Their high conscientiousness allows the distributive socialism to work okay.
    Cathedralism manifests its destruction among the Scandis in the native birth rate
    which is abysmally low. Denmark seems to be bucking this trend somewhat though.
    In Copenhagen last month, I saw lots and lots of Danish mothers with their little ones
    in public parks. Of course the Swedes think the Danes are fascists for having restricted
    Muslim immigration.

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  • Puzzle Privateer (@PuzzlePrivateer) Says:

    “man is simply too damned stupid for the Death of God.”

    Yes.

    Most people are basically stupid assholes. If you go to them and explain why they would be better off not being assholes and how pro-social behavior will lead to a high trust environment and how everyone’s lives will be easier and they will be richer most people will say to you:

    ” I ain’t never seen a plant grow out of a toilet! ”

    But if you go to them and say “the invisible sky father told me we should be nice to each other” these same stupid assholes will say “you can talk to the invisible sky father!?” You reply to them “yes, yes I can” and they will stop being assholes.

    So it is written. Here be the words of Gnon (peace be upon him).

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