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		<title>By: Robert What?</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-110402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert What?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all the years I&#039;ve been reading and hearing about Global Warming / Climate Change, I&#039;m amazed that this is the first article I&#039;ve seen that references what the Sun is doing in relation to climate. For most people concerned about Global Warming, it almost seems like the Sun is just some big yellow ball in the sky that has no effect on our climate. From what I understand of the Sun&#039;s recent activity, we are likely headed into period of global cooling, not global warming. So maybe the climate scientists of the 1970s got it more right than the current crowd despite technology that was primitive by comparison. Most likely because they focused on the Sun&#039;s activity, rather than man&#039;s activity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all the years I&#8217;ve been reading and hearing about Global Warming / Climate Change, I&#8217;m amazed that this is the first article I&#8217;ve seen that references what the Sun is doing in relation to climate. For most people concerned about Global Warming, it almost seems like the Sun is just some big yellow ball in the sky that has no effect on our climate. From what I understand of the Sun&#8217;s recent activity, we are likely headed into period of global cooling, not global warming. So maybe the climate scientists of the 1970s got it more right than the current crowd despite technology that was primitive by comparison. Most likely because they focused on the Sun&#8217;s activity, rather than man&#8217;s activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Round &#8211; 2014/09/17 &#124; Free Northerner</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-109837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightning Round &#8211; 2014/09/17 &#124; Free Northerner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 05:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Sunspots and climate change. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Sunspots and climate change. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Orthodox</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107810</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthodox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is some new theories on solar cycles, scientists may have found larger underlying cycles:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903104743.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some new theories on solar cycles, scientists may have found larger underlying cycles:<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903104743.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903104743.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Obvious</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cap'n Obvious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2014 01:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://imgur.com/cZPk08x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://imgur.com/cZPk08x" rel="nofollow">http://imgur.com/cZPk08x</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Obvious</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cap'n Obvious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2014 00:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fortunately the original chart does go back to 1960.  Strange that the Daily Mail cut off so much relevant data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately the original chart does go back to 1960.  Strange that the Daily Mail cut off so much relevant data.</p>
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		<title>By: Stirner (@heresiologist)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stirner (@heresiologist)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a guess, but one explanation for a date of 1985 is that it might have been the year when a satellite with a dedicated suite of modern sun-monitoring tools was put into orbit.

The certainty of the climate &quot;experts&quot; is astounding, given the paucity of climate and temperature data that is available. Good satellite temperature records only go back to the 1960&#039;s giving us only 40 to 60 observations of annual temperature with a high degree of accuracy. 

Global weather station data only goes back to 1900, so the number of annual observations rises to only 110+. 

Single site thermometer readings (Central England Temperature) can maybe give us two centuries deeper in the past. 

Past that, you are looking at temperature proxies like Pine tree rings, sedimentation patterns, environmental gas composition, etc. All those factors can work, but not at an accuracy of fractions of a degree. 

The same thing applies to sun spots. We have several full cycles of robust sun measurement, but the the historical data is purely based on solar observations. Very hard to develop good solar models from such a small dataset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a guess, but one explanation for a date of 1985 is that it might have been the year when a satellite with a dedicated suite of modern sun-monitoring tools was put into orbit.</p>
<p>The certainty of the climate &#8220;experts&#8221; is astounding, given the paucity of climate and temperature data that is available. Good satellite temperature records only go back to the 1960&#8217;s giving us only 40 to 60 observations of annual temperature with a high degree of accuracy. </p>
<p>Global weather station data only goes back to 1900, so the number of annual observations rises to only 110+. </p>
<p>Single site thermometer readings (Central England Temperature) can maybe give us two centuries deeper in the past. </p>
<p>Past that, you are looking at temperature proxies like Pine tree rings, sedimentation patterns, environmental gas composition, etc. All those factors can work, but not at an accuracy of fractions of a degree. </p>
<p>The same thing applies to sun spots. We have several full cycles of robust sun measurement, but the the historical data is purely based on solar observations. Very hard to develop good solar models from such a small dataset.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Obvious</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cap'n Obvious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s from page 959 of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report 
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_Chapter11_FINAL.pdf

The Daily Mail version cuts off the correlation with volcanic eruptions and the observational data going back to 1960. Weird, right? No idea why they would do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s from page 959 of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report<br />
<a href="http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_Chapter11_FINAL.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_Chapter11_FINAL.pdf</a></p>
<p>The Daily Mail version cuts off the correlation with volcanic eruptions and the observational data going back to 1960. Weird, right? No idea why they would do that.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107467</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pass on a link to his version of the chart, and I&#039;ll add it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pass on a link to his version of the chart, and I&#8217;ll add it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Obvious</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cap'n Obvious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh, I found it.  

The uncredited graph published here is originally from the Daily Mail (Nov 3, 2013), who credit a chart by Dr Ed Hawkins.

Dr. Hawkins&#039; other charts with observational data going back to 1950 paint a much clearer picture. He also has a very helpful explanation about the difference between air temperature, and total warming of the planet. 
http://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/author/ed/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, I found it.  </p>
<p>The uncredited graph published here is originally from the Daily Mail (Nov 3, 2013), who credit a chart by Dr Ed Hawkins.</p>
<p>Dr. Hawkins&#8217; other charts with observational data going back to 1950 paint a much clearer picture. He also has a very helpful explanation about the difference between air temperature, and total warming of the planet.<br />
<a href="http://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/author/ed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/author/ed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/spotless/#comment-107451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would count as a non-arbitrary starting date? 

Given the predictions in question are comparatively recent, I&#039;d expect the pre-1985 data to be retro-fitted. I agree (?) that if this is the case -- or even were it not it -- there&#039;s no reason not to show it. How could it in any way discredit the generally-accepted claim being made?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would count as a non-arbitrary starting date? </p>
<p>Given the predictions in question are comparatively recent, I&#8217;d expect the pre-1985 data to be retro-fitted. I agree (?) that if this is the case &#8212; or even were it not it &#8212; there&#8217;s no reason not to show it. How could it in any way discredit the generally-accepted claim being made?</p>
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