XS has nothing to say about this, beyond a tweet (by the slightly better half). Posting this as the pretext for a discussion thread, on the assumption that regulars here are likely to be engaged with the event, and the various tributaries feeding into it.

ADDED: Comstockery for communists.

ADDED: Breitbart’s take (sound).

ADDED: Punishment is vindication.

ADDED: Strange Loop sponsors.

ADDED: two more (both excellent).

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    “Mind-control” is a good synopsis.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 7:38 am Reply | Quote
  • Strangeloop | Neoreactive Says:

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    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 7:40 am Reply | Quote
  • WowJustWow Says:

    Some amusing cognitive contortions here:'t-censorship-be-exciting.html

    Note the classic butthurt troll tell evident in the title: feigning boredom. This attitude continues throughout:

    “Some have found it convenient and exciting to assume that Urbit’s author was uninvited – nay, censored! – due to his political views. Trust me: those views could not be less frightening or less interesting. What does concern me is the idea that Strange Loop attendees would no longer feel welcome because an avowed racist and proponent of slavery has been given a tacit endorsement by virtue of his speaking slot.”

    You might think that one’s stance on the admissibility of slavery is a political view, and therefore he was indeed uninvited for his political views.

    But if you take it upon yourself to decide what is or is not a political view, then it’s quite easy to claim you are neither afraid of, shocked by, nor censorious of any political view. Not only are there hate crimes and hate facts, but now hate views should be seen as a category distinct from political views.


    Max Reply:

    Just a reminder: “Hateful views” are views that communists hate. “Hate speech” is speech that communists hate.

    Nothing new under the sun. These bloodthirsty demons won’t rest until civilization has been destroyed; rape, murder, torture, and genocide become commonplace; and hell comes to earth.

    There is a solution, if you have the stomach for it.


    WowJustWow Reply:

    Yes, but what’s new to me is declaring that a view is neither inside nor outside the Overton window because it’s not even on the hyperplane on which the window is defined. Therefore, nothing political goin’ on here.

    Also, fun fact: this author recently joined the advisory board of Jacobin Magazine.


    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    “if you take it upon yourself to decide what is or is not a political view, then it’s quite easy to claim you are neither afraid of, shocked by, nor censorious of any political view. ”

    This is the utterly devastating crux of the matter. Thank you for saying it so perfectly – having said it, it will be impossible, now, to miss it in future Cathedral decrees.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 7:47 am Reply | Quote
  • Tryptophan Says:

    Why are we complaining, what do we hope to achieve by complaint? Do we expect that the editor of Jacobin mag is a disinterested and objective opponent who will be amenable to reason? As far as I can see all that we are achieving is making sure that poor Curtis is forever associated with his alter ego.

    While it’s true that we are obviously exposing some hypocrisy on the part of progressives, they have been hypocrites since before the French Revolution. In fact it’s our calls for political freedom that makes hypocrites, out of us; our ideology in practice calls for whatever limits on political freedom are necessary. Why are we demanding our opponents show regard that we would not show to them?

    The path to power that Moldbug sketched does not have a step marked “whine”.


    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Thank you, no Whining in Powerball.


    admin Reply:

    I don’t see whining — but formalization. It’s an obvious plus if dominant leftist institutions are seen clearly for what they are, stripped of the fake universalism they prefer to present through.

    As for a “regard that we would not show to them” — any Neocameral state that barred admission to a tech conference to those with insane leftist beliefs would be defective.


    Max Reply:


    “any Neocameral state that barred admission to a tech conference to those with insane leftist beliefs would be defective.”

    Fact. The need to suppress dissident beliefs demonstrates concern that those beliefs could bear fruit. A truly stable regime need not fear revolution from thought-criminals.


    Lesser Bull Reply:

    There is no truly stable regime. it’s like saying that a truly healthy person need not fear disease.

    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    and yet that is the case; healthy people do not touch every surface with latex gloves in case germs are lurking.

    Lesser Bull Reply:

    Healthy people avoid necrotic tissue, wash their hands, use toilet paper and/or bidets instead of their hands, clean their eating instruments, etc.

    Thought-criminals are subversives. A healthy state will not try to suppress every whisper of subversion. That would be insane. Likewise, a healthy state won’t try to signal health by avoiding any and all ideational hygiene. That would also be insane.

    The marketplace of ideas that inevitably leads to truth is a myth that is propagated by (1) rebels who want official tolerance as the first stop on the long trip to Finland Station and (2) societies that covertly suppress dissent so they can congratulate themselves on the victory of their iown beliefs in the fair and open marketplace of ideas.

    Tryptophan Reply:

    Hi Admin, thx for the response.

    I just feel that the “formalization” is a bit like when conservatives say that affirmative action shows that “the liberals are the real racists”. The conservatives are right, the ideology is inconsistent with its stated goals. But what do the conservatives get for formulating yet another example of leftist hypocrisy? I guess it doesn’t hurt.

    “any Neocameral state that barred admission to a tech conference to those with insane leftist beliefs would be defective.” Is true, but if I lived in El Salvador in 1978 I would have to support doing anything to stop communism.

    Putting these threads back together, is our criticism “you have to be totalitarian because you are so weak”?


    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    Yes, because when one of our leaders is hurt, we want to NOT start a ruckus over it.(?)


    Contaminated NEET Reply:

    >But you want to censor too, you hypocrites!

    “* RULE 4: ‘Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.'”

    Sure it’s evil, and it’s straight from Satan’s quill, but it works.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 9:50 am Reply | Quote
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  • Stirner (@heresiologist) Says:

    Very nice twist of the shiv, admin.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 12:47 pm Reply | Quote
  • Thales Says:

    In chess, this is called a “fork.”


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 3:26 pm Reply | Quote
  • Ryan Says:

    Here’s to hoping for a Streisand effect and more people being exposed to his writings.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 4:13 pm Reply | Quote
  • Hattori Says:

    This here is the most “incriminating thought crime” thing they can get on Moldbug. It’s not much beyond Sailer and Derbyshire level but it’s enough to get you banned from pretty much everywhere.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 4:47 pm Reply | Quote
  • E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Says:

    The responses on the tweet freaking out over one of MM’s posts are gold


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 5:06 pm Reply | Quote
  • SanguineEmpiricist Says:

    I’m interested in Eric Raymond & Scott Alexander’s take on this. Also UF is the slightly better half?! !


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 6:36 pm Reply | Quote
  • Marxist toady Says:

    Has there been word from MM on any of this?


    Rasputin Reply:

    I’ve not seen one, but Urbit had loads of great stuff up a few days ago, which has now all been deleaked again (sigh).


    SVErshov Reply:

    source code and instructions on github. everything seems functional already. download, compile and join.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 8:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • Kaiser Schmarn Says:

    It’s also somewhat out of context. Moldbug describes every dependant as a slave, this would also include welfare recipients, dumb people, cripples etc.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 8:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • WowJustWow Says:

    @Kaiser Schmarn

    Yeah, it’s too bad he didn’t quote “We thus observe slavery not as a perversion, but as a natural relationship, like gay marriage.” That always makes people’s crimethink-detection circuits fry, like when Patrick McGoohan typed “WHY?” into the computer.


    Posted on June 5th, 2015 at 8:53 pm Reply | Quote
  • Zimriel Says:

    All I’ll say to those still intending to attend this shindig is… keep hold of your dongles.


    Posted on June 6th, 2015 at 3:04 am Reply | Quote
  • n/a Says:

    “ADDED: Comstockery for communists.”



    Alrenous Reply:

    Bad sophistry.
    At least Alexander writes good sophistry.


    Posted on June 6th, 2015 at 3:57 am Reply | Quote
  • Michael Says:

    you would think with all the nerds around here someone would invent open source bullet proof anonymously encrypted and attack proof social media program for tweets face books blogs and email long before any collapse free speech will be outlawed already its all being recorded


    Michael Reply:

    I mean since my suggestion of a dark illuminatti doesnt appeal if you reject entry then you must get an exit strategy together. the above would catch on in the current environment because they really think eveil corporation are controlling everything which they are just not in the way they think so the critical social mass would be surreptitiously stolen from zuck er al, im no coder LOL but i wonder if bitcoin could somehow be used in some sort of identifying authentication system im such a way that the totally un hackable secret foundation that sponsored this sytem got a thousandth of a penny in bitcoin that added up over time and could fund some dark deeds.


    Michael Reply:

    i only say this because well there were spy novels and detective stories before tech but seriously if you guys are so sure if the technological future its pretty clear they intend to lock it up tighter than a translation of the bible before Gutenberg


    Zimriel Reply:

    Could you at least provide some ranch dressing to go with that word salad?

    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Prominent neoreactionaries have been looking into exactly that:


    Posted on June 6th, 2015 at 2:48 pm Reply | Quote
  • Michael Says:

    sure open your mouth


    Posted on June 6th, 2015 at 3:46 pm Reply | Quote
  • Ur-mail Says:

    This was a sad turn of events. The far-Left mind virus has been hitting tech hard lately as society at large spots a sector not crushed by the economic downturn and scrambles to pilfer it by “ending the unfair privilege” and “rampant racism and sexism” that, in their own view, defines it.

    Strangeloop has a reputation as one of the last places in tech where folks actually tackling difficult and ambiguous problems at the forefront of software go to talk amongst themselves. Urbit falls directly at the intersection of multiple lines of discourse researched and regularly presented on at the conference, and manages to innovate on each of them in ways that would be interesting and exciting to participants. Hence why it was originally picked as one of the final 60 talks.

    The talk was apparently cancelled at the behest of a handful of wealthy participants (and non-participants) and their followings. It was cancelled under the social justice banner of “creating a safe and inclusive environment” – a mind virus that has been targeting tech conferences recently – still not sure what that means in this particular case, though I suspect there’s a lot of code words in there. I for one am fine with the cognitive dissonance of disliking someones politics and respecting their work, others apparently are not.

    Either way the Urbit community will have to suck it up and carry on. There’s definitely a lot of interest in Urbit, especially among those who work in the areas of functional programming and distributed computing. It would be a tragedy if such token resistance managed to kill such an intriguing idea.


    Xoth Reply:

    “creating a safe and inclusive environment”

    Also known as intellectual cowardice. And cowards they are.

    Those dependent on grants will of course dance to the tune of their master. It was always thus, science is no different (though in some disciplines the dancing is more disgusting than in others).


    Posted on June 6th, 2015 at 3:58 pm Reply | Quote
  • Mark Citadel Says:

    Nobody should be annoyed about this. It’s another example of the enemy shooting himself in the foot.

    Cue – interest surge for works of the radical right.


    Posted on June 6th, 2015 at 7:11 pm Reply | Quote
  • Nick B. Steves Says:

    BTW, admin, these two may deserve “ADDED”s:

    Both very fine pieces IMO.


    Posted on June 7th, 2015 at 2:35 am Reply | Quote
  • blahblahblah Says:

    Nock is quirky silliness (a purely academic exercise) and Hoon is a great idea (meaning, it will definitely be copied sometime in the future), but it’s trapped in an overly elaborate (fun but useless) train model set . In other words, Urbit is somewhat interesting but extremely impractical. Would it have made for a good presentation? Sure.

    But the fool got what he deserved, and he knew it was coming.


    Posted on June 7th, 2015 at 6:37 am Reply | Quote
  • Hattori Says:

    This seems like a short response from moldbug himself + brief dialogue.


    Posted on June 8th, 2015 at 1:14 pm Reply | Quote
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