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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-32037</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 02:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally got round to working (enjoyably) my way through &lt;I&gt;Middlemarch&lt;/I&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;Indeed, Will had declined to fix on any more precise destination than the entire area of Europe. Genius, he held, is necessarily intolerant of fetters: on the one hand it must have the utmost play for its spontaneity; on the other, it may confidently await those messages from the universe which summon it to its peculiar work, only placing itself in an attitude of receptivity towards all sublime chances. The attitudes of receptivity are various, and Will had sincerely tried many of them. He was not excessively fond of wine, but he had several times taken too much, simply as an experiment in that form of ecstasy; he had fasted till he was faint, and then supped on lobster; he had made himself ill with doses of opium. Nothing greatly original had resulted from these measures; and the effects of the opium had convinced him that there was an entire dissimilarity between his constitution and De Quincey&#039;s. The superadded circumstance which would evolve the genius had not yet come; the universe had not yet beckoned. Even Caesar&#039;s fortune at one time was, but a grand presentiment. We know what a masquerade all development is, and what effective shapes may be disguised in helpless embryos.—In fact, the world is full of hopeful analogies and handsome dubious eggs called possibilities. Will saw clearly enough the pitiable instances of long incubation producing no chick, and but for gratitude would have laughed at Casaubon, whose plodding application, rows of note-books, and small taper of learned theory exploring the tossed ruins of the world, seemed to enforce a moral entirely encouraging to Will&#039;s generous reliance on the intentions of the universe with regard to himself. He held that reliance to be a mark of genius; and certainly it is no mark to the contrary; genius consisting neither in self-conceit nor in humility, but in a power to make or do, not anything in general, but something in particular.&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;I&gt;Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about?&lt;/I&gt;

Something in particular but not known - funny, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally got round to working (enjoyably) my way through <i>Middlemarch</i>:</p>
<p><i>Indeed, Will had declined to fix on any more precise destination than the entire area of Europe. Genius, he held, is necessarily intolerant of fetters: on the one hand it must have the utmost play for its spontaneity; on the other, it may confidently await those messages from the universe which summon it to its peculiar work, only placing itself in an attitude of receptivity towards all sublime chances. The attitudes of receptivity are various, and Will had sincerely tried many of them. He was not excessively fond of wine, but he had several times taken too much, simply as an experiment in that form of ecstasy; he had fasted till he was faint, and then supped on lobster; he had made himself ill with doses of opium. Nothing greatly original had resulted from these measures; and the effects of the opium had convinced him that there was an entire dissimilarity between his constitution and De Quincey&#8217;s. The superadded circumstance which would evolve the genius had not yet come; the universe had not yet beckoned. Even Caesar&#8217;s fortune at one time was, but a grand presentiment. We know what a masquerade all development is, and what effective shapes may be disguised in helpless embryos.—In fact, the world is full of hopeful analogies and handsome dubious eggs called possibilities. Will saw clearly enough the pitiable instances of long incubation producing no chick, and but for gratitude would have laughed at Casaubon, whose plodding application, rows of note-books, and small taper of learned theory exploring the tossed ruins of the world, seemed to enforce a moral entirely encouraging to Will&#8217;s generous reliance on the intentions of the universe with regard to himself. He held that reliance to be a mark of genius; and certainly it is no mark to the contrary; genius consisting neither in self-conceit nor in humility, but in a power to make or do, not anything in general, but something in particular.</i></p>
<p><i>Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about?</i></p>
<p>Something in particular but not known &#8211; funny, no?</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-29129</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How’s your Queneau? Mine is useless, but I have read an Italo Calvino essay entitled ‘The Philosophy of Raymond Queneau’. I offer it more as a preliminary response than something I am in general agreement with:

&lt;i&gt;‘Another highly fallacious idea which nevertheless is very popular nowadays is the equivalence that has been established between inspiration, exploration of the subconscious and liberation; between chance, automatic reaction and freedom. Now this inspiration which consists in blindly obeying every single impulse is in reality a form of slavery. The classical writer composing a tragedy by observing a certain number of rules with which he is familiar is freer than the poet who writes down whatever flits through his head and is enslaved to other rules which he is not aware of.’

[…]

From the same family [of literary madmen], certainly, is the utopian writer Charles Fourier, in whom Queneau took an interest on several occasions. One of these essays analyses the bizarre calculations of his ‘series’ which are the basis of the social projects in Fourier’s Harmony. Queneau’s intention here was to prove that Engels, when he put Fourier’s ‘mathematical epic’ on the same level as Hegel’s ‘dialectical epic’, was thinking of the utopian Charles not of his contemporary Joseph Fourier, the famous mathematician. After piling up proof after proof in support of his thesis, he concludes that perhaps his thesis does not stand up after all and that Engels really was talking about Joseph. This is a typical Queneau gesture: he is not so much interested in the triumph of his thesis, as in recognising a logic and consistency even in the most paradoxical argument […]

In all these experiences Queneau’s attitude is that of the explorer of imaginary universes, carefully picking up their most paradoxical details with the amused eye of the Pataphysicist, but without cutting himself off from the possibility of noticing amongst all this a glimmer of genuine poetry or genuine knowledge.&lt;/i&gt;

Now, there is obviously much more to say about ‘inspiration’, including the decision to run with the Fourier surname coincidence (engineering?), but what the above suggests to me is that the ‘trigger’ for thought is part of a larger process which in itself has to be initiated. I felt your treatment here of para-philosophy was somewhat disingenuous as it doesn’t make any attempt to consider the formalised nature of many of these systems (rituals) or exercises. There are procedures – coincidence engineering or, more broadly, the subjunctive thought (the IF) followed by (continued) suspension of disbelief is, as you know, one option - which are more effective than sitting around (drinking) and waiting for &#039;inspiration&#039;. But this is a starting point – does it automatically lead onto the right pattern?

I’ve always liked an example in my John Dee biography:

&lt;i&gt;Newton decided to break with tradition and assert that there were seven colours of the rainbow because there were seven planets and seven notes in the musical octave.&lt;/i&gt;

How cool is that? (How cool is verifying a thought you already ‘know’ is &lt;i&gt;true&lt;/i&gt;?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How’s your Queneau? Mine is useless, but I have read an Italo Calvino essay entitled ‘The Philosophy of Raymond Queneau’. I offer it more as a preliminary response than something I am in general agreement with:</p>
<p><i>‘Another highly fallacious idea which nevertheless is very popular nowadays is the equivalence that has been established between inspiration, exploration of the subconscious and liberation; between chance, automatic reaction and freedom. Now this inspiration which consists in blindly obeying every single impulse is in reality a form of slavery. The classical writer composing a tragedy by observing a certain number of rules with which he is familiar is freer than the poet who writes down whatever flits through his head and is enslaved to other rules which he is not aware of.’</p>
<p>[…]</p>
<p>From the same family [of literary madmen], certainly, is the utopian writer Charles Fourier, in whom Queneau took an interest on several occasions. One of these essays analyses the bizarre calculations of his ‘series’ which are the basis of the social projects in Fourier’s Harmony. Queneau’s intention here was to prove that Engels, when he put Fourier’s ‘mathematical epic’ on the same level as Hegel’s ‘dialectical epic’, was thinking of the utopian Charles not of his contemporary Joseph Fourier, the famous mathematician. After piling up proof after proof in support of his thesis, he concludes that perhaps his thesis does not stand up after all and that Engels really was talking about Joseph. This is a typical Queneau gesture: he is not so much interested in the triumph of his thesis, as in recognising a logic and consistency even in the most paradoxical argument […]</p>
<p>In all these experiences Queneau’s attitude is that of the explorer of imaginary universes, carefully picking up their most paradoxical details with the amused eye of the Pataphysicist, but without cutting himself off from the possibility of noticing amongst all this a glimmer of genuine poetry or genuine knowledge.</i></p>
<p>Now, there is obviously much more to say about ‘inspiration’, including the decision to run with the Fourier surname coincidence (engineering?), but what the above suggests to me is that the ‘trigger’ for thought is part of a larger process which in itself has to be initiated. I felt your treatment here of para-philosophy was somewhat disingenuous as it doesn’t make any attempt to consider the formalised nature of many of these systems (rituals) or exercises. There are procedures – coincidence engineering or, more broadly, the subjunctive thought (the IF) followed by (continued) suspension of disbelief is, as you know, one option &#8211; which are more effective than sitting around (drinking) and waiting for &#8216;inspiration&#8217;. But this is a starting point – does it automatically lead onto the right pattern?</p>
<p>I’ve always liked an example in my John Dee biography:</p>
<p><i>Newton decided to break with tradition and assert that there were seven colours of the rainbow because there were seven planets and seven notes in the musical octave.</i></p>
<p>How cool is that? (How cool is verifying a thought you already ‘know’ is <i>true</i>?)</p>
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		<title>By: laofmoonster</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-28994</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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It seems I am late to this party, means-ends reversal has already been addressed.]]></description>
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It seems I am late to this party, means-ends reversal has already been addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: laofmoonster</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-28991</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bootstrapping thought in the abstract sounds difficult, it&#039;s like telling someone, &quot;say something funny&quot;. There needs to be something worth thinking about, some incentive. Use real-world goals as an instrument to improve intelligence, reversing the orthogonality you argued against previously. The trichotomy is a good starting point. I&#039;d also take an evopsych approach to the problem. When is intelligence selected for? When are other traits selected for? Our monkey brains may be limited, but identifying those limits is a good first step to eliminating them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bootstrapping thought in the abstract sounds difficult, it&#8217;s like telling someone, &#8220;say something funny&#8221;. There needs to be something worth thinking about, some incentive. Use real-world goals as an instrument to improve intelligence, reversing the orthogonality you argued against previously. The trichotomy is a good starting point. I&#8217;d also take an evopsych approach to the problem. When is intelligence selected for? When are other traits selected for? Our monkey brains may be limited, but identifying those limits is a good first step to eliminating them.</p>
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		<title>By: Artemisia</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-28800</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artemisia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record - thought-initiation and perpetuation failed (although not as miserably as feared) due to the accursed (and possibly inevitable) desire to communicate the thoughts initiated and perpetuated, whether by writing, speech, or splitting skull open before a large crowd comprising my philosophy department. Lack of literaty talent hindered the first, lack of ability to speak coherently stopped the second, fear - the third. 

Something has to be done with the desire to connect, network, transcend singular humanity and &quot;mindmeld&quot; in order to perpetuate thought. Until I find a way to do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record &#8211; thought-initiation and perpetuation failed (although not as miserably as feared) due to the accursed (and possibly inevitable) desire to communicate the thoughts initiated and perpetuated, whether by writing, speech, or splitting skull open before a large crowd comprising my philosophy department. Lack of literaty talent hindered the first, lack of ability to speak coherently stopped the second, fear &#8211; the third. </p>
<p>Something has to be done with the desire to connect, network, transcend singular humanity and &#8220;mindmeld&#8221; in order to perpetuate thought. Until I find a way to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-28190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Psycho-chemical modification&quot; will be more or less of a &quot;cognitive loose-loop&quot; depending on the chemical, with the chemical producing the tightest loop giving you something like this to make you think - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdeYJSOdDKY]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Psycho-chemical modification&#8221; will be more or less of a &#8220;cognitive loose-loop&#8221; depending on the chemical, with the chemical producing the tightest loop giving you something like this to make you think &#8211; </p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='640' height='390' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/JdeYJSOdDKY?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen='true'></iframe></span></p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-28184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fotrkd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;I held it truth, with him who sings 
To one clear harp in divers tones, 
That men may rise on stepping-stones 
Of their dead selves to higher things.&lt;/I&gt;

What&#039;s the problem? Why are you fishing? You know the answer to this better than anyone else here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I held it truth, with him who sings<br />
To one clear harp in divers tones,<br />
That men may rise on stepping-stones<br />
Of their dead selves to higher things.</i></p>
<p>What&#8217;s the problem? Why are you fishing? You know the answer to this better than anyone else here.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-28134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diogenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if it so happens that I learn to read and speak Urdu in the future, I look forward to receiving the wisdom of London cabbies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if it so happens that I learn to read and speak Urdu in the future, I look forward to receiving the wisdom of London cabbies.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/sub-cognitive-fragments-1/#comment-28133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Knowledge - of the worlds best guides.  The Humble London Cabby.

What is needed is to map and learn the 320 runs, the 20,000
landmarks, the 25,000 streets, the equivalent of the Knowledge of London.

Just the mapping would be the work of a lifetime, and open the doors you
seek.  And it&#039;s work that could be taught and passed on.

Just defining these would open doors:  

- runs

-landmarks

-streets

Defining, mapping, learning then teaching a few of each is the work of a lifetime.

These are the best cabbies in the world.  

Here&#039;s a well needed landmark for all:  Humility.  How to get there without being craven or seen as weak is the work of at least one man&#039;s lifetime. 

http://www.theknowledgetaxi.co.uk/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Knowledge &#8211; of the worlds best guides.  The Humble London Cabby.</p>
<p>What is needed is to map and learn the 320 runs, the 20,000<br />
landmarks, the 25,000 streets, the equivalent of the Knowledge of London.</p>
<p>Just the mapping would be the work of a lifetime, and open the doors you<br />
seek.  And it&#8217;s work that could be taught and passed on.</p>
<p>Just defining these would open doors:  </p>
<p>&#8211; runs</p>
<p>-landmarks</p>
<p>-streets</p>
<p>Defining, mapping, learning then teaching a few of each is the work of a lifetime.</p>
<p>These are the best cabbies in the world.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a well needed landmark for all:  Humility.  How to get there without being craven or seen as weak is the work of at least one man&#8217;s lifetime. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theknowledgetaxi.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theknowledgetaxi.co.uk/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jozsef</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jozsef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This reminds me of abulafia in Foucalt’s Pendulum – a computer for generating pseudo-random spurious connections. &quot;

And this reminds me of something in quine.  Truth and falsity are equinumerous.  There are as many truths and falsehoods.  But truth as such is uninteresting.  We are interested in interesting truth.  As such, spurious connection or connection for connection&#039;s sake is uninteresting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This reminds me of abulafia in Foucalt’s Pendulum – a computer for generating pseudo-random spurious connections. &#8221;</p>
<p>And this reminds me of something in quine.  Truth and falsity are equinumerous.  There are as many truths and falsehoods.  But truth as such is uninteresting.  We are interested in interesting truth.  As such, spurious connection or connection for connection&#8217;s sake is uninteresting.</p>
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