‘but’, the universe added, ‘the fact of your existence is, atleast, an imposition’.

CATO warns of overthrow of government if Obama acts lawlessly over Obamacare…invoking Abraham Lincoln’s admonition that a lawless government gives the citizens the right to change it.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/expert-testifies-to-congress-that-obamas-ignoring-laws-could-lead-to-overthrow-of-government/

No, I didn’t make that up.

Granted, some people have families, etc. which may restrict their ability to execute on such a plan. But *zero* open borders advocates have shown any interest in this opportunity when it has been pointed out to them, despite no shortage of unmarried men among their ranks. Under the principle of revealed preference, this implies that they really believe open borders is a strong win-lose, rather than a win-win, proposition, so in practice they are lying with the goal of screwing over the American people, regardless of the much nicer sounding rationalizations they have for their behavior. (Any open borders guy who at least stops actively pushing for open US borders after understanding this point is probably intellectually honest, and further engagement with them may be worthwhile. It’s not that easy to find people willing to acknowledge they were probably wrong.)

It definitely covers weak will. Go and see…

[ I’m afraid I’m not employed until Friday. Sorry admin. The fixation will probably continue until I stop laughing.]

In fact doesn’t any system that would destroy and supplant an actual working Universal Calculator of Felicity owe a moral and intellectual duty to replace it?

Unless DEC/NR can come up with it’s own Universal Felicity Calculator it’s just not ready for the Klieg lights.

If it did, it would be like the USG.

As the Americans are well aware they are hated, and can see daily that the wrong people are being immigrated in hordes [just go shopping] hence the American demographic [not just white] is for a complete halt. Believe me, I just went shopping. Shop Rite is not low end. I have seen but not for years Pathmark.

If you have any doubts about the negative effects of USG policies of either welfare or immigration, never mind both– to include the beloved/hated dysgenics, there’s Pathmark.

Now does consequentialist mean you know..Consequences?

Hmm. Time for Benefits.gov.

Before we find out what the illegal [other actual choice] resident status Haitian making $12,500 a year in New York can get…I can’t let describe where you live pass;

3. Choose the option that best describes where you live:
Private residence
Nursing home (cost paid by Medicaid)
Jail or correctional facility
Other facility
Other
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Not only is my avatar underemployed in agriculture, she’s an illiterate aspiring screenwriter and performance artist. Moh Monee.

So the HIV positive only caregiver of 4 in Jail who has no idea of where her parents are [or his] and doesn’t know whether to fuck or go blind ..er..I mean whether or not they’re married or not, but wants the usual benefits plus the important step of education while incarcerated [education is key] qualifies for a paltry 76 benefits. Only 76. Dat’s Raychiss.

BTW speaking of consequences –admin I should warn you that if you don’t delete this post after I put up da free money links you may concievablely be indicted by DOJ. Or something.

I’m going to look and see what the chinese off the boat in Chinatown can get. That’s because I love Admin. And this is the best online role playing game ever.

I think I may have just either turned some around a corner, or laid the seeds for the great DEC sellout.

(2) Everything the libertarians find unconvincing about it, and then a whole lot more.

(3) I don’t at all agree that all moral theories involve imposing upon others. Cultivate yourself (or not). Exit, micro, wu wei.

The sorts of things I’m interested in are effects on perceived societal trust (see recent US study), effects on politics (see studies mentioned in OP), effects on wages (numerous studies finding mildly positive effect for natives, 10x jump in migrants’ wages), effects on joblessness (numerous studies showing lower unemployment after migration). Any factor you consider important is probably worth considering. And we have to reconcile these to make *any* decision.

2. What specifically do you find unconvincing about welfarist consequentialism?

3. All moral theories involve “imposing” on others. If you don’t believe in morality, fine. But then you can’t tell me that we should or shouldn’t do anything (categorically; obviously hypotheticals still work—you could still say if you want X then you should Y).

I’d be more impressed by a “weak will” if it inhibited the imposition of your moral intuitions upon others, before it prevented you from applying them to yourself. If you can’t realize these ideas in your own life, why should your neighbors be told to submit to them?

@Peter A. Taylor
I don’t think you’re providing evidence that the benefit to the incomers will outweigh the cost to the natives. I’m not sure why we should impose very large costs on very badly-off foreigners to generate small benefits to natives. Again, if you tell me a story about the overall long-term costs of this, backed up by some numbers or projections, then I am interested. But no one is telling that story.