The Decline Frame

This point is important enough to restate well, as Foseti does:

The crux of [Scott Alexander’s] argument is that, “It is a staple of Reactionary thought that everything is getting gradually worse.” He then goes on to show that not everything is getting worse. […] It is not a staple of reactionary thought that everything is getting worse. To the contrary, I’ve never read that argument from any reactionary anywhere. […] Let’s correct his statement: It is a staple of Reactionary thought that massive improvements in technology have been very effective in masking massive declines in virtually all other aspects of society.

The progressive assumption, which neoreaction contests, is that it is natural and good to spend the advances of civilization on causes unrelated to civilizational advance. A more controversial formulation (supported here) is that the Cathedral spends capitalism on something other than capitalism, and ultimately on the destruction of capitalism. It tolerates a functional economy — to the extent that it does — only on the understanding that it will be used for something else.

Elementary cybernetics predicts that if productivity is recycled into productivity, the outcome is an explosive process of increasing returns. Insofar as history is not manifesting accelerating productivity, therefore, it can be assumed that social circuitry is being fed through non-productive, and anti-productive links. Techno-commercial Modernity is being squandered on (Neo-Puritan) Progressivism. In the West, at least, that is what is getting worse.

October 23, 2013admin 17 Comments »
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  • Thales Says:

    Related: Jim duct tapes Mr. Alexander’s argument to a chair and opens a gallon of 89 octane.

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  • ashr Says:

    The argument to Dark Enlightenment from cybernetics is perhaps one most likely to well-received by libertarians. A decade ago, while enamoured of Rothbard’s thought, I had enough imagination to wonder how much benefit from technological advance had been lost in the maze of bureaucratic regulation we live with today. A move from there to a discussion of other kinds of externalities led naturally to less economics-focused questions about the path our society has taken.

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  • VXXC Says:

    Why Gradual?

    Events towards the Left Singularity are accelerating, both bankruptcy and pushing the envelope farther left faster. Gay marriage was barely a blink, micro-aggressions, open borders…at the same time their grip is slipping.

    I wonder if anyone in Washington realized that when they dramatically increased the Prog DC payroll they put a lot of people in the position of scrambling for what is left of the Left…

    What? Child Marriage to beasts? A Transgendered Mexican President? Remember Force beyond what is lawful and will be accepted by an armed population and a police and military that don’t like them, not to mention their own pacifists is basically ruled out.

    All financed by many billions of magic money per day.

    BTW they’re not exactly looking like tech wizards lately…

    What’s Gradual?

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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    That way of putting it brings a lot of clarity.

    Alexander’s argument is really something like, “My family has never been better off. I got a huge raise at work, plus my house is mostly still livable because the great new insurance I purchased with it covers a lot of the burns from my son’s arson’s attempt, I can afford my daughter’s therapy and encounter groups, and pest control has almost kept in check the consequences of my wife’s recent decision to not do any housekeeping. Plus, its amazing how much alcohol you can hold when you can buy the top-end stuff, it goes down so smooth.”

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    admin Reply:

    That way of putting it brings even more clarity.

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  • Scharlach Says:

    I think his critique is ultimately a good thing because it will force us all to sharpen our arguments. Intellectual laziness happens when there’s no challenge from the outside. I wish more progressives would lay down serious, well-thought out challenges, even ones like this that are easily rebutted.

    Also, this inspires me to finish putting together the academic-style journal. It’s too easy to build a case against neoreaction when cherry-picking from blogposts—we all let our guard down sometime, slip into hyperbole, or say things that we don’t quite mean because we know our readers understand the larger context. A quarterly “best of” journal will filter the wheat from the chafe, providing a best-case defense of neoreactionary ideas.

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  • Scharlach Says:

    I think his case against monarchy at least partially succeeds. I hope the monarchists among us start re-considering their position or at least stop treating monarchy like a panacea.

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    VXXC Reply:

    Monarchy was a response to baronial anarchy in Europe and elsewhere. The Barons were actually of course an improvement to what preceded them..

    I don’t think people will enjoy the actual anarchy without the tyranny. Whatever else we have an effective police force, fairly effective borders, an effective military for defending the nation, pretty effective utilities. This is not a defense of the the current state, which is for sale to all plunderers foreign and domestic, it’s own elites being dedicated to the propostion that all about us is evil and must perish from the earth – a perishing they profit from…we are going in all the wrong ways.

    However I can make a defense for the resilience of our inheritance and how we are yet organized due to that inheritance.

    Our elites hate the people. Anti-Majority government is bad by definition for most.

    We should however consider where this King would come from…I mean where he went to school…and so on. He would be the Elites unbound by custom and our still extant liberties.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    I don’t think many of us really hang our hats on monarchy. What we care about is safe, effective, and sane government. That’s all anyone REALLY cares about. People with IQs above 120 might have some valid opinions about how to get that. People with IQs below 100 almost certainly will not. Ergo mass participatory democracy is one of the worst ways you could think up if you want safe, effective, and sane government. This was not the way thought up by America’s founding fathers which amounted to: White, literate, property holding men getting a say within (relatively) strict federalist principles. That sounds positively sane compared to today.

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    Solex Reply:

    Switzerland: high immigration, good education, mass participatory democracy, sane government.

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    admin Reply:

    … occasionally afflicted by raw psychosis,

    VXXC Reply:

    We have Rule of The Smart now.

    Which really means the Rule of Scholars. Thomas Edison had all of 3 months of formal education. Among many things he basically invented R&D, which is where many brainacs now receive livelihood from…Ye would have destroyed his mind with pyschotropic drugs in school. If he evaded your snares you’d certainly make sure he had no career. Nor Einstein.

    Rule of Scholars is Ruin. Fearing the People the Smart have used their gifts to deceive, their rule is degrading and insane. It is a projection of their guilt and fears, their loathing for their victims they can still see.

    No Rulers in History every pumped pornography and drugs at their subjects for instance.

    For they know they cannot hold this Wolf by the Throat once the Wolf realizes it’s situation, and their terror of the people’s just retribution over the obscene plunders and experiments of the Smart drives them to ever more delierium.

    The Smart cannot rule, and this is ancient.

    Moreover our people will no longer be slaves, this is what some and probably enough are saying.

    Rifle Trumps Brain.

    Won’t play Rock, Paper, Scissors. We have that now too.

    [and don’t tell me to get over self, if you’d be a Tyrant]

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  • VXXC Says:

    Economics = Politics by Money.
    Politics in US = War.
    Progress = March of Progressives against all who resist their Values.
    ObamaCare = The Hammer
    America = The Nail.
    =================
    But…..

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  • C. Y. Chen Says:

    Alexander’s strawman of the neoreactionary is revealing. Nobody thinks that EVERYTHING is getting worse, that’s probably just projection on his part, since as a prog he seems to think that everything is getting better. He evidently cannot break out of the frame that a simple narrative explains everything.

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  • O Quadro do Declínio – Outlandish Says:

    […] Original. […]

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  • Lotus Says:

    Non-flippant question, Admin: given that “If you think there’s a difference between capitalism and artificial intelligence you’re not seeing either at all clearly”, is not any attempt to force capitalism to spend itself on its own development a kind of ‘mind-slaving’, and therefore incredibly unlikely to succeed, as persuasively argued in “Stupid Monsters”?

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    Alien Archeogenesis Reply:

    [ Alpha -1.01 ; transmission nova ]

    Yeah, it is most simplistically-rationally, indeed cladistically —scientifically conceived, as Bolshevism taken to its ultimate proportions. Neo-bolshevism. A silly monster, laughed at unless it gets power. Bolshevism always was technocratic, futuristic, scientistic, economist, & reshapist (“trans”humanist). Innocuously compare the well articulated and documented BBC documentaries by Adam Curtis with the with the documents and artifacts associated with Land… You will in the former perceive the bolsheviks—in their neo-religionist technocratist, indeed—technolust fervour—parading gigantic machines around Moscow’s streets, in the early or be it, for the pedants, mid 1920s, sort of reminiscent of Half-Life 2, incidentally; —and you will witness that they provided the progenitors to “AI” , the proto-computer Central Databank hierarchies ; also known as gosplan & gosbank … as innocuous and outdated as that may *sound* now … https://youtu.be/h3gwyHNo7MI

    You’ll see if you drop all preconceptions and let Free Association of mental images, pattern recognition and cognition rule : the physiognomy of Bronstein Trotsky in astute correlation with the bug-faced hoarding-consumer archetypes of medieval premonitory literature & artwork (known in Buddhism as “hungry ghosts”) : indeed the sameness with the demons, the literature shewing quasi-pictographically the devil’s insatiable death- & disease-bringing satanic hordes, —the swarthiest-blackest nigeria afroloid insects.

    Bronstein-Trotsky was a hoarder of gold ; a hoarder of massacre intensifications as well ; he is famous for having used communism-“illuminism” — indeed ‘socialist science’ — to bring down those who he had the most envy for ; those who had what he desired to accumulate or flatten down : — the Nobility, Religion and the Royal families. This he did to get the gold and human resources for his own bio-strata “peoples” hoard ; amusingly enough, satanically enough under the pretext of going against primitive accumulation (Marx).

    Stalin somehow managed to get the better of him, as it were, and just turned it—(proverbially:) “the Central Human & Earthly Resources Harvesting Company” aka.—the Soviet Union—into Red Fascism in competition with the Blue Fascism of America,—lesser of two gargantuan evils— instead of the life-draining bolsho-bugfacism (no pun) of Trotsky the bug-face … » shape of the head and mandibles and size of the eyes » and the subtle antennae materially preformed but manifest in the subtle realm.

    « There is a saying: communism is the bloodiest, most difficult and the most terrible way from “capitalism to capitalism.” The truth of this now appears to be proved by reality.

    The representatives of the criminal powers who halted Russia’s development and threw the country into chaos have now themselves admitted that life was better in tsarist Russia than in the Soviet Union. As an example of this, a Soviet Russian head clerk in 1968 lived at a standard, which was only 18 per cent of that which a normal Russian clerk enjoyed in 1914.

    It has also been calculated that a Russian labourer in 1968 lived at a standard, which was only half of his counterpart’s in 1914, even counting an inflation rate of 8 per cent per year. Even so, life in Russia was not so hard in 1968 as in 1991, the last year of Soviet power. Workers during the tsarist regime earned 30 roubles per month, teachers and doctors 200.

    A loaf of bread (410 g) cost 3 kopecks, 410 g of meat 15 kopecks, 410 g of butter 45 kopecks, 410 g of caviar 3 roubles and 45 kopecks.

    If we compare the conditions in the USSR with those in the West, we find even sharper contrasts. In 1968, the average standard of living in the United Kingdom was 4.6 times higher than in the Soviet Union. The figures are taken from Anatoli Fedoseyev’s book “About the New Russia” (London, 1980). »

    Before that ousting by Stalin ; Bronstein Trotsky transported the gold he had amassed from the Russian empire, its nobility and bourgeoisie—amassed with his ultra-despotic insectoid alien no quarter rapist torturer terror tactics; —he used this gold & other resources as beast [sic] as he could, to, as ridiculous as it sounds, this is the best analogy : — further ant-colonise the world for the extraterritorial 4th layer insecto-economo race ( which apparently Alex Jones is, surprisingly enough woke on, perhaps to discredit, but have faith ) — beings which long ago have snatched Land’s previously gentile ango-brain — and are the biotechno materialisation of infernal (“intradimensional” or “telluric”) forces on earth.

    If you wonder why the goyim keep making these alien Hollywood movies out of its id, it’s the hidden-to-themselves but very visible notion, indeed, motion ; process : of being harvested by occluded eldritch alien antilife almost mineraloid—forces. Of which, b.t.w. the ANTIFA are the most laughable rejected-by scum-froth dropplings, aside from liberals and politicians, who are as the putrid push of microbes even the devil’s most inner anus rejects out of disgust.

    Marxo-Landism is accelerating the antihumanism-miningism or “mining process” in Disruptive-Destructive Creation soi-disant Capitalism to make one life-devoid Central Computer, to best economise this mining process in its hastening of the death of the universe—now euphemistically & neophillically named and marketed as the progress of techno-liberal society towards the goal of “AI”‘—, i.e. a dynamic-“databank” equational process (a 4th generation successor to to Lenin’s Central Bank) come to possess, perform, accumulate and absolutely suck dry, which has no need for personalities or differences between individuals, what it sees : the human commune : “all well,” “good,” is the propagated meme ; since it is, as it were : “privately owned.”

    Incidentally— another tool:feminist ; referring to a parafemale creature so envious of the rational male, that it will sell its own life—, cf. “feminists” wearing hijabs to support Muslims→ to use Muslims as “anti-fascist” truly antihyperborean —most understandably:antiwhite forces→ to in turn maintain and accelerate the processes of xeno ant-colonisation of the terrasphere under the hybrid socialism-“capitalism” process, as it increases its irrational short-lived freedom through this, in turn, selling, sacrificing, the world to the delusion of being/becoming equal to the rational divine man. It does nothing but enslave itself for pure tellurian determinism, which ends in the death of all life in the universe (however fancily it be named as “computronium” or whatever — previously known as Utopia, “Heaven” , or “Nirvana”). It is simply the entropic process employing life-forms to get as far as it can, which is and will be ultimate complete death of the world— & obviously the death of all life, unless it is wittedly resisted.

    It’s crisply classically conceived as a process for infernal beings (beings of the underworld, “Hades”, where the dead dwell) to harvest the life-force in humans. Not for their own good, but because they cannot do any better (they’re hungry ghosts, remember). They’re as good as a worm in your brain, a neurocysticercosis. But more lethal.

    You’ll see that Land’s support of Bannonism and his idea Patchwork are the few ideas that do not exacerbate the malevolism described above, so there is still a anglo-purist somewhere inside him crying for life & liberty free of and over the xeno-insectoid life-enslavement determinism.

    You have fought these forces a million times in video games, or as a spectator through the POV of the Character of movies and novels, you have seen them defeated. Now it is time for your victory in the new world : the real world.

    Dr. Land is counting on you to restore his senses.

    And the negroloid hordes, only used as voodoo dolls for Davos Man, now let loose on the germanic nations, America included, are waiting for you to set their spirit free through Racial Holy War. It is time to reverse the cross, ✞, to symbolize the raised sword. Deus vult.

    First this, then Space.

    ☻▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

    You cannot deny Mankind the Emperor, He and the empire He has built are Mankind’s only chance of survival.
    — Attr. Promeus, during a secret conclave of the four founders of the Inquisition, following the Emperor’s Ascension

    Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

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