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Ryan Cooper:

I made the case just a couple months back that Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump is a sort of fledgling Mussolini, nurturing an incipient fascist movement. As the first primaries approach, and Trump’s lead in the polls is actually widening, his development toward outright fascism is progressing faster than I feared. […] As of August, Trump had most of the ingredients for a fascist movement: the victim complex, the fervent nationalism, the obsession with national purity and cleansing purges, and the cult of personality. He was missing the organized violence, a left-wing challenge strong enough to push traditional conservative elites into his camp, support for wars of aggression, and a full-bore attack on democracy itself. He’s made much progress on all but the last one.

The last one is the only point of NRx intersection, but if he takes The White House, there’s going to be plenty of deranged: “See, this is what the Dark Enlightenment leads to!” analysis (among the upper echelons of the leftist commentariat). No, this is what democracy leads to. It’s called radical populism. (Unfortunately, that’s a message that isn’t going to be heard.)

The Left would rather hand lurid fascism the keys than stop what they’re doing (they’re already doing the non-lurid version). That would count as a perverse moral vindication — cooking up the enemy they always said they wanted to stop. Eventually, they’ll manage it. The Ancients already knew that’s how this thing ends.

It goes without saying that NRx should back away as far as possible, while scattering signs of protection (not that it will do any good).

ADDED: Trump speaks.

November 25, 2015admin 60 Comments »
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  • Orthodox Says:

    If the internal polls are right, Trump will take office with thunderous applause from a lot of blacks and Latinos, for a Republican.

    Trump is very good at visceral politics. If he does unleash some form of “fascism” it will tap the machismo of Latinos and blacks. Progs come across as a bunch of limp wristed pansies so this won’t even be a hard charge to make. The victimization politics of the left will also cause them to accept Trump’s frame, and it will be endless high school beatdowns until the dollar cracks a couple of election cycles from now.

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    frank Reply:

    >a couple of election cycles from now.

    It might not take that long. FED’s rate decision in December will show if they’re really as clueless as they look, and how far we’re from helicopters dropping cash.

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    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 3:31 pm Reply | Quote
  • James James Says:

    Trump doesn’t have organised political violence, he doesn’t have political uniforms, he doesn’t have a mass movement organising holidays (Kraft durch Freude), he doesn’t have a mass youth movement. He doesn’t even have a party.

    Here in the UK, political uniforms are illegal precisely to hinder fascism. Are they illegal in the US? I suppose branded t-shirts fill the need to a small extent.

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    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    In the grim world of 2016 your “Make America Great Again” hat will be your uniform

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    TheOmnivore Reply:

    YES!! I bought a hat for just this purpose. I suggest you all get one before the cut-off point where they stop mattering–they’ll be keeping a list of those who didn’t get one. Roko’s Candidate.

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    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 4:29 pm Reply | Quote
  • Hattori Says:

    It’s fascinating how the pundits have been so consistently wrong on Trump.
    Both on how his early statements would hurt him and that he would have a more “presidential” posture once he remains the frontrunner. Once again the contrary has happened, which makes me hopeful the GOP could still purge him. The GOP would rather have Hillary than Trump.

    In the ideal scenario the GOP gets so freaked out they conspire to evict Trump from the party. Trump runs as an independent collapsing the GOP nominee and Hillary gets in.

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    frank Reply:

    You shouldn’t discount the assassination option, although I highly doubt the left has the agency to do it.

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    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 4:38 pm Reply | Quote
  • vxxc2014 Says:

    “The Left would rather hand lurid fascism the keys than stop what they’re doing (they’re already doing the non-lurid version). That would count as a perverse moral vindication — cooking up the enemy they always said they wanted to stop. Eventually, they’ll manage it. The Ancients already knew that’s how this thing ends.”

    Absolutely they have resurrected Nationalist Right Wing boogeyman from the grave.
    So amazing if you weren’t watching it happen you wouldn’t believe it.

    Which doesn’t mean either Mussolini or Hitler. America has so many options the Italians or Germans didn’t have above all geographic distance to not have to make Draconian choices. Mussolini’s being to back Hitler. Hitlers being well known.

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    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 4:46 pm Reply | Quote
  • Erebus Says:

    Ryan Cooper, who has recently brought us such brilliant articles as “CNN’s deplorable mainstreaming of anti-Muslim bigotry”, “College protesters aren’t the real threat to America’s liberal values. Rabid Islamophobes are”, and, my personal favorite, “Why the middle class should want to pay higher taxes“.

    Ryan Cooper writes like a fag, and his shit’s all retarded. He’s not just wrong on Trump… he’s wrong about everything.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Yeah Ryan Cooper Admin?

    Is this all you can conjure Saruman?

    Srsly. He looks like he’s afraid of his cats shadow. Writes like it too.

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    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 4:46 pm Reply | Quote
  • Hattori Says:

    @Erebus
    Everyone was wrong on Trump. Democracy was not supposed to be like this. Populists are supposed to fade out of the conversation once the serious smart voter gets a say.

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    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 4:54 pm Reply | Quote
  • Grotesque Body Says:

    Distinguishing NRx from Trump populism is where ‘muh feathered hat’ Stuart Restorationist LARPing comes in handy.

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    ArchonAlarion Reply:

    Part of being involved in an elitist techno-commercialist movement, is disassociating yourself from the ‘red-tory’ pawns when the time comes. A reactionary polity can come about through fascist-populism, but only with difficulty and the passing of generations (unmolested). Admin’s preference is a farcical leftist singularity mess whilst the anarcho-capitalists get away on seasteads with a cryptographically secured property system. Then, comes the purchasing of dirt-cheap sovereign clay and back onto the land we amphibians crawl.

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  • Max Says:

    “It goes without saying that NRx should back away as far as possible, while scattering signs of protection (not that it will do any good).”

    Yes, far better to wash one’s hands of the teeming masses than to play a part, however small, in shaping history.

    Remember what Moldbug said about who the real bad guy in Lord of the Rings was?

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    Rasputin Reply:

    Gandalf?

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    admin Reply:

    Any attempt to ‘shape history’ other than by:
    (a) Building things
    (b) Exit pressure
    is the disease to be fought.
    There was a point when NRx understood that democratic populism doesn’t lead anywhere but downwards, but like every other Western socio-political phenomenon, it’s decaying into Cathedral slime (except with rightist sprinkles).
    Satoshi Nakamoto is pretty much the only ‘person’ so far who comes out of the 21st century looking good. Building an Exit Machine — that’s really something.

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    frank Reply:

    I guess Moldbug is out of fashion these days. I think it’s not farfetched to claim that if he had a single message to relay, it would be anti-revolution. *Sigh*, allure of power making people revolutionaries since the beginning of time.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    @Frank,

    Or maybe it’s getting rid of the insane degenerates who have power over us?

    frank Reply:

    @vxxc2014

    Proles will do what proles do. I don’t have any illusions about prole survival instinct when zombie apocalypse approaches. Do what you’ve got to do. I’m just disillusioned by the amount of people who espouse revolutionary tactics while commenting in NRx quarters. People associated with NRx are becoming worryingly indiscernible from fascists. I didn’t sign up for “progressivism for rightists with a 50 year lag 2: electric boogaloo”. If that’s where NRx is headed, time for me to head for the exit.

    Seth Reply:

    We should have spent more time explicitly bad-mouthing the inarticulate proles of NRx. I’m blocking 80% of commenters at my new blog because they are just white identity politics morons.

    I vaguely remember people complaining that admin and others in the reactosphere were just constantly recycling their old ideas and not pushing them in new directions. But look at what happens when you aren’t constantly reaffirming (reminding people about) core principles: the whole reactosphere becomes enamored with populism.

    A reminder: using the democratic political machine to shit all over your enemies is precisely the problem. One law for the lion and the ox is tyranny, even if you personally like the law.

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    admin Reply:

    “… constantly recycling their old ideas …” — I’m beginning to think we should be spending more time recycling Anaximander’s old ideas.

    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 6:21 pm Reply | Quote
  • Joe Says:

    “It goes without saying that NRx should back away as far as possible, while scattering signs of protection (not that it will do any good).”

    Um, ok…but could someone remind me again of what NRx proposes to prevent me ending up an old white man in a white-minority-and-shrinking country, despised by the minorities who’d like to wreak a little revenge on whitey when they change my bedding or feed me in the retirement home?

    Oh, yeah…I’m supposed to move to China or something.

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  • John Morris Says:

    The correct analogy isn’t Batman / Bane. Ghostbusters. We all know the current system is diseased and await a Destructor. Well your wish has been granted and the Form of the Destructor has been selected. Instead of the StayPuft Marshmallow Man we get Trump.

    The good news is the Cathedral too expects the system to collapse and has been awaiting it as the kickoff for The Revolution where they win total victory over their enemies and all debts are settled up in blood… but they do not appear to have anticipated Trump either. This is good in the sense that anything unexpected is probably better than what they had planned.

    Truth is our civilization is dead and we are falling into a Singularity and anybody who thinks they know what is next is either lying or delusional. We live in interesting times.

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    admin Reply:

    Yes (to all three).

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    Seth Reply:

    You don’t want someone like Trump holding the reins when things collapse. If he is, then the post-collapse narrative will be that right-wingery was the fons et origo of the destruction. Never mind two centuries of an expanding franchise, rampant statism, and general leftward drift . . . . it was all the fault of those rednecks waving American flags.

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    admin Reply:

    That point seems weirdly hard for people to understand. (Perhaps they delusively think he’d turn the whole thing around.)

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  • Hattori Says:

    People really want to give right wing dem populism another go. People apparently familiar with Moldbug too. Not pretty, who knows what can go different this time.

    Nrx had a great analogy a while back that it should aspire to be like the Frankfurt school, change the world without it noticing. It should stick to it.

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  • jack arcalon Says:

    To win, Trump should claim to be a moderate, even if he is no such thing, and use the word ‘humane’ a lot.

    His only goal would be to PREVENT fascism from taking over (Fascism being a SJW dictatorship that would make the Khmer Rouge look like Smurf Town, but he should stay vague about that).

    He could claim not to be opposed to immigration, but in favor of ‘balanced’ migration (as many moving in as moving out to/from each country).

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Looking at the polls it seems like he’s doing pretty well despite doing the opposite of what you’re saying. Maybe he’ll shift gears and play to the moderates later on to beat out Hillary, but who knows. Progs and most women are going to vote for Hillary no matter how much he appeases them.

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    admin Reply:

    If he does wise leadership stuff, he merely legitimizes the regime, and prolongs the agony. Democracy is a double bind that isn’t worth trying to do well. Prepping for crack up is the closest thing to an ‘activist’ stance worthy of consideration.

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    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    Maybe he prolongs democracy. But maybe he also prolongs the existence of the white majority and free speech on the internet a little longer, allowing the current mass red-pilling to continue.

    Potentially putting us in a better position when the crack up occurs.

    But there is always the chance that the conservatives will just go back to sleep once he’s elected. Hopefully the left won’t let them.

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    michael Reply:

    Exactly he buys time

    Posted on November 25th, 2015 at 11:50 pm Reply | Quote
  • Bob Says:

    It goes without saying that NRx should back away as far as possible, while scattering signs of protection (not that it will do any good).

    admin, aren’t you into Deleuze? He’s written about hyperreality, hasn’t he? You really shouldn’t be exasperated like this any more. By now you should have realized that this referent doesn’t exist.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Baudrillard has written a lot on the hyperreal & simulacra.

    Deleuze has written on the simulacrum.

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  • P. George Stewart Says:

    Trump can’t be a fascist, because he’s never been a socialist. To be a fascist, you have to be enamoured of the same oraganicist, collectivist political ideals as the Left, only you have to have the clarity of insight to notice that the internationalist collective of the working class is a fantasy, and the only actually-existent collective spirit comes from nationalism, and then you have to be canny enough to harness that nationalism and populism.

    The conflation of populism with fascism and nationalism is a rhetorical Left trick to avoid having to face up to a) the fact of genetic connection and b) the impeccable logic of Mussolini’s argument, and c) the failure of Communism.

    Moldbug’s dissing of Goldberg’s dissection of “Liberal Fascism” has always been one of his weakest points. Goldberg is quite correct, fascism is an offshoot of the Left that cleverly utilized a Right populism and nationalism that were ideologically foreign to the Left only in its Marxist forms. A lot of Marx’s work in his lifetime was to make it seem like Marxism was the only form of Leftism worth taking up. We aren’t obliged to follow him.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The Occident has always been enamoured with regimentation; whatever its forms.

    The rationally directed energies of any harnessed ‘populism’ serves a deeply inculcated emotional need for messianic regeneration, that typifies so-called Western dynamism. Such ‘messianic regenerations’ always occur through inflations of a base level barbarity that perpetuates itself through the ages. The inflations are always “harsh”, because that is the horizon that has always been accepted by Occidental cultures.
    From Mesopotamia to Greece to the USSR & the USA, the tendency toward harsh regimentation has never gone away. The ecstasies of simplistic belonging alternate with the schisms of materialistic avarice, in cycles that can never end, because every one of them is done badly.

    Neoreaction is just another iteration of this atavistic trend.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Even if Westerners are all barbaric and soulless, as you often aver on this blog, we still need to live our lives to try to get the most out of our cursed predicament. Also, why do you hang around Outside In simply to deride its readers as savages? Do you do it out of a sense of duty? Or are you merely compelled by hatred? Surely you don’t think ‘atavistic’ neoreaction is a threat to the modern East, how could it be? All we want to do is try to make sense out of our world and survive in it, and though we lack your spotless innocence, I don’t see how insulting us is doing anything very constructive, unless irritating Europeans is a goal-in-itself. Anyway, just thought I’d share that, because you’ve made it quite clear you think there is no hope for us lot, but you still seem to want to make us feel resentful.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Dark Psy-Ops]: “Even if Westerners are all barbaric and soulless, as you often aver on this blog, we still need to live our lives to try to get the most out of our cursed predicament.”

    {AK}: Dark Psy-Ops, I usually talk about the “Occident”, or the “West”, not “Westerners”. I refer to strong cultural trends, not people.

    [Dark Psy-Ops]: “Also, why do you hang around Outside In simply to deride its readers as savages? Do you do it out of a sense of duty? Or are you merely compelled by hatred?”

    {AK}: It’s rare that I attack individual commenters, if so, it’s usually because my comments are attacked. Yes, it’s true that I often attack “Neoreaction” as a cultural trend. I try to keep outside of the self-declared “Outside”, without inhabiting any determined “Inside”, either.

    [Dark Psy-Ops]: “Surely you don’t think ‘atavistic’ neoreaction is a threat to the modern East, how could it be?”

    {AK}: I think that it could be, to all of us, East & West. It doesn’t matter how great your powers of intelligent consideration might be, & they are considerable, but not everyone falling under the sign of “Neoreaction” is so blessed.

    [Dark Psy-Ops]: “All we want to do is try to make sense out of our world and survive in it, and though we lack your spotless innocence, I don’t see how insulting us is doing anything very constructive, unless irritating Europeans is a goal-in-itself.

    {AK}: I really hope my “insults”, as you say, are not taken personally. What I’m attacking are the trends of atrocity, that’s all. Yes, I do attack those trends as they have evidenced in Europe, the Middle East, et al. But that doesn’t mean I’m attacking any contemporary individual.

    [Dark Psy-Ops]: “Anyway, just thought I’d share that, because you’ve made it quite clear you think there is no hope for us lot, but you still seem to want to make us feel resentful.”

    {AK}: There’s always hope, Dark Psy-Ops. I’m inviting thought, not resentment.
    I’m only offering different perspectives, outside of the entrenched Neoreactive orthodoxies. I guess there is a kind of ‘strategy’ behind it.

    There might be one or two comments of yours that I haven’t given responses to yet. This is because they require the kind of sustained consideration that I haven’t been able to set aside time for yet. I haven’t forgotten them. The same goes for one of NLs comments from a few years ago.
    I’ve been very busy, haven”t had enough time to write much.

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  • Thrasymachus Says:

    Populism is a long way from fascism. Populism is just democratic in that it is about rights and privileges, while remaining silent on duties and responsibilities.

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  • Seth Says:

    Democracy is slow-motion fascism. This should be a simple message to package. (See the link I posted at your latest post about fucking Republicans.)

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    admin Reply:

    T-shirted.

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    Xoth Reply:

    “Fascism without fascists.”

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    “The conflation of populism with fascism and nationalism is a rhetorical Left trick.”

    Rhetorical Left Trick kind of sums things up.

    Moldbug being an entire circus of Rhetorical Tricks.

    Men face up to their responsibilities and work with what they’ve got. Go Trump.

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  • Xoth Says:

    (Strokes white cat) My dear boy, the goal of NRx was never Trump for President. It was always Trump for Absolute Monarch.

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    admin Reply:

    Don’t encourage them. 50% of ‘NRx’ actually believes that.

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    Quint Essential Reply:

    It’s a pity HRx doesn’t seem to be a “thing” yet. Might be a useful way of delineating the two sides.

    To be fair, on the surface, Trump as King is similar to the corporate city state: A prominent, successful businessman in charge. But Trump and his supporters think Murica can still be saved as it is.

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  • pyrrhus Says:

    Isn’t Monarchy the natural state of man, whatever tricks are used to disguise it? For example, North Korea.

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  • Augustus Pugin Says:

    @Hattori

    if NRx succeeds, it won’t look as if NRx succeeds at all. It will just look as if various other entities and agents downstream have catalyzed various crisis points for their own ends, leading to institutional fission and Cathedral decay. It will only become clear later on that these entities were seeded with partial DE ideas from the beginning that helped inform their trajectory.

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  • Bob Says:

    Here’s the video version:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCQhBYEMRQI

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  • Hattori Says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/plan-a-for-gop-donors-wait-for-trump-to-fall-there-is-no-plan-b/2015/11/25/91436a00-92dd-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html

    Plan A for GOP donors: Wait for Trump to fall. (There is no Plan B.)

    Well then…

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    Quint Essential Reply:

    From there:

    “I think the reason people are hesitant [to oppose Trump] is that he’s a bully.”

    He’s a big, mean bully you guys!

    Thanks for that link.

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    Quint Essential Reply:

    Ah Hillary says he’s a bully too. Maybe Fred Davis would be more comfortable on the Dem side.

    (Could you put this into the one above Admin?)

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    admin Reply:

    [There’s no way I know to shuffle them around — without losing the ID.]

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    @Bob

    No I care very much if Trump rounds up everyone on that list.

    Those are enemies. You may agree. Or not.

    Go Trump.

    Add Bankers, especially Lehman Bankers.

    Every ad they throw against Trump ends up gaining him supporters. LOL. The GOP is so clueless.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    I’m really loving this Muslims were innocent of cheering on 9/11.

    People had forgotten that as memories fade.

    Go Trump.

    Trump is what we’ve got. Like this blog was for UR fans awhile when Moldbug quit.

    Land came up with Dark Enlightenment series – still a classic – then this blog.

    It’s normal that people who’s enemies are closing in on them find a leader. Call it Gnon.

    If it isn’t Trump we’ll get another. Perhaps many. It’s unnatural for a large group under pressure to lack leaders and it requires enormous daily efforts by The Cathedral in every classroom, legislature, media outlet and faculty. What has happened is their methods have stopped working and having rejected force by embracing personal cowardice and persecutions of their armed forces and police they have no State in Truth they can rely on.

    Government without Force is like music without instruments. The Cathedral has made enemies of those instruments. They’ve been bluffing and it’s being called.

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  • savoyard Says:

    I don’t think many people doubt that there were Muslims in the US that cheered on 9/11, primarily behind closed doors with perhaps some small groups cheering on the streets. But Trump said “thousands and thousands”, implying huge crowds on the streets, which obviously is an exaggeration at best, if not outright lying.

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    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Leaders sometimes have to lie to push a necessary narrative. The fact is that Muslims across the world did cheer 9/11, but to bring that home to Americans and make them understand the danger of letting such people in, he has to amplify the optics by placing those crowds here, in your town, outside your school, in the park where your children play.

    I can’t fault him for lying in this instance. Then again, that’s assuming I want America to be salvaged.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Thousands and thousands isn’t an exaggeration at all.

    If you’re willing to put words into people’s mouths it becomes very easy to come to the conclusion that they’re lying.

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  • savoyard Says:

    There’s no doubt that exaggeration and lying make for good politics.

    In the US at least, Muslims are one of the few groups that it’s relatively acceptable to be hostile towards, and the Republican base is already generally opposed to Muslim immigration and Muslims in general. This rhetoric will excite the base, but it won’t really do much for people who aren’t already opposed to Muslims unless there’s video of thousands cheering on the streets in New Jersey.

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