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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diogenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps, but I don&#039;t really see it. One doesn&#039;t need Derrida to tell you that texts are open to interpretation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, but I don&#8217;t really see it. One doesn&#8217;t need Derrida to tell you that texts are open to interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Diogenes

OK. I still find it interesting, but I&#039;ll limit my discussion of it on here (at least or unless I have something more substantial to say). There is a slight tension though in your &#039;junk Derrida, forget the Wittgensteinian bore... (but) we won&#039;t have a definitive understanding ever&#039; approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Diogenes</p>
<p>OK. I still find it interesting, but I&#8217;ll limit my discussion of it on here (at least or unless I have something more substantial to say). There is a slight tension though in your &#8216;junk Derrida, forget the Wittgensteinian bore&#8230; (but) we won&#8217;t have a definitive understanding ever&#8217; approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diogenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and caring about Derrida is &#039;misguided&#039;, to use your term, in any case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and caring about Derrida is &#8216;misguided&#8217;, to use your term, in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diogenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Our language can be seen as an ancient city: a maze of little streets and squares, of old and new houses, and of houses with additions from various periods; and this surrounded by a multitude of new boroughs with straight regular streets and uniform houses.&quot;

Oh, look, it&#039;s another metaphor for language. It&#039;s not a kind of tool, it&#039;s not the House of Being, it&#039;s not a system of difference and deferrance, it&#039;s not a memetic virus-like entity with its own spooky Will to Proliferation, it&#039;s not a kind of organ (Chomsky), it&#039;s not an inextricable aspect of how we get around in the world (Davidson), it&#039;s like an ancient city! Wow, deep. 

If you can&#039;t recognize the difference between talk of the &#039;linguistic turn&#039; and linguistics qua linguistics, I&#039;m not going to bother. Your point about Wittgenstein is intractable and therefore meaningless to me too; a final, fixed interpretation of Wittgenstein isn&#039;t coming in 500 years, let alone 100.

Forgive me my furore on this particular point, but this kind of navel-gazing discourse about language is so utterly, horrifically boring in 2014, especially given the gripping work that has been done by the Speculative Realists among others, not to mention our host himself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our language can be seen as an ancient city: a maze of little streets and squares, of old and new houses, and of houses with additions from various periods; and this surrounded by a multitude of new boroughs with straight regular streets and uniform houses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, look, it&#8217;s another metaphor for language. It&#8217;s not a kind of tool, it&#8217;s not the House of Being, it&#8217;s not a system of difference and deferrance, it&#8217;s not a memetic virus-like entity with its own spooky Will to Proliferation, it&#8217;s not a kind of organ (Chomsky), it&#8217;s not an inextricable aspect of how we get around in the world (Davidson), it&#8217;s like an ancient city! Wow, deep. </p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t recognize the difference between talk of the &#8216;linguistic turn&#8217; and linguistics qua linguistics, I&#8217;m not going to bother. Your point about Wittgenstein is intractable and therefore meaningless to me too; a final, fixed interpretation of Wittgenstein isn&#8217;t coming in 500 years, let alone 100.</p>
<p>Forgive me my furore on this particular point, but this kind of navel-gazing discourse about language is so utterly, horrifically boring in 2014, especially given the gripping work that has been done by the Speculative Realists among others, not to mention our host himself.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32769</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like many philosophers, Wittgenstein didn&#039;t think he&#039;d have much chance of being generally understood in his lifetime. I think he put a 100 year figure on it (which is probably not far wrong). What makes you think he was talking about linguistics? It&#039;s a bit like the misguided &quot;prison house of language&quot; interpretation of Derrida.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many philosophers, Wittgenstein didn&#8217;t think he&#8217;d have much chance of being generally understood in his lifetime. I think he put a 100 year figure on it (which is probably not far wrong). What makes you think he was talking about linguistics? It&#8217;s a bit like the misguided &#8220;prison house of language&#8221; interpretation of Derrida.</p>
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		<title>By: Orlandu84</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32725</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The simplest explanations are the most likely explanations so long as they explain all the relevant details. In general government inaction occurs on account of apathy, confusion, and over-extension. Since apathy and over-extension are fairly clear in themselves, allow me to note that by &quot;confusion&quot; I mean bureaucratic confusion, i.e. &quot;that&#039;s not my job, so I don&#039;t care.&quot; At the present moment I find apathy, confusion, and over-extension sufficiently explain why Bitcoin has not been crushed by the USG. Furthermore, we are only beginning to see the push-back against surveillance, e.g. https://darkwallet.unsystem.net/. Since it is more difficult to divide numbers than it is to multiply, encryption will gain at least parity in the end in such conflicts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simplest explanations are the most likely explanations so long as they explain all the relevant details. In general government inaction occurs on account of apathy, confusion, and over-extension. Since apathy and over-extension are fairly clear in themselves, allow me to note that by &#8220;confusion&#8221; I mean bureaucratic confusion, i.e. &#8220;that&#8217;s not my job, so I don&#8217;t care.&#8221; At the present moment I find apathy, confusion, and over-extension sufficiently explain why Bitcoin has not been crushed by the USG. Furthermore, we are only beginning to see the push-back against surveillance, e.g. <a href="https://darkwallet.unsystem.net/" rel="nofollow">https://darkwallet.unsystem.net/</a>. Since it is more difficult to divide numbers than it is to multiply, encryption will gain at least parity in the end in such conflicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Nonzero</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 16:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve suspected for a little while now that Bitcoin hasn&#039;t recieved the money laundering treatment (fundin&#039; terrorists! A tool of child pornographers!) from Uncle Sam is because one of the alphabet agencies has cracked it or found some other way for it to aid total information control. I mean, I&#039;d love to believe that a cadre of MIT nerds (or European equivalent) actually scored a big victory against the no-fun-allowed crowd in the USG, but I find it unlikely.  After all, didn&#039;t the Liberty Reserve debacle just happen last May? 

It&#039;s 2014, not 2044. Any real (domestic) threat to dollar hegemony can be vaporized - except, of course, for Amazon gift cards...

It&#039;s actually a pretty funny thought that Jeff Bezos and a few other uppity internet billionaires secretly masterminded the overnight adoption of the &#039;untraceable&#039; Bitcoin, just so they could avoid sales tax right up until the point that the USG really starts to flex the police state muscle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve suspected for a little while now that Bitcoin hasn&#8217;t recieved the money laundering treatment (fundin&#8217; terrorists! A tool of child pornographers!) from Uncle Sam is because one of the alphabet agencies has cracked it or found some other way for it to aid total information control. I mean, I&#8217;d love to believe that a cadre of MIT nerds (or European equivalent) actually scored a big victory against the no-fun-allowed crowd in the USG, but I find it unlikely.  After all, didn&#8217;t the Liberty Reserve debacle just happen last May? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s 2014, not 2044. Any real (domestic) threat to dollar hegemony can be vaporized &#8211; except, of course, for Amazon gift cards&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually a pretty funny thought that Jeff Bezos and a few other uppity internet billionaires secretly masterminded the overnight adoption of the &#8216;untraceable&#8217; Bitcoin, just so they could avoid sales tax right up until the point that the USG really starts to flex the police state muscle.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32713</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh there&#039;s no clever theological trick, just as their rise to power wasn&#039;t clever theological tricks but the ol fashioned bloody slog.

However...Sir...what is your kind of reactionary?   All you counsel is despair.

Perhaps the Father of the Reformation, and the City of God which plagues us for centuries and is now in it&#039;s suicidal teological end state [look around for the results of the City of God made flesh], and the cringer at the door to the Dark Ages?  I&#039;m surprised the Vandals buried him.   

http://www.theopedia.com/Augustine_of_Hippo

What do you counsel ever but despair?   That all our works may be dust.  Yes.  We all end in dust.  We don&#039;t however need to live in filth, and my kind of reactionary wants to use the gifts God gave us to do something and indeed &lt;b&gt; anything &lt;/b&gt; to raise us from it.  

We need Apostle Paul&#039;s and we need Constantines.   Man never needed an Augustine, he is a plague on all he touches.   Despair is the enemy&#039;s strongest weapon, it needs no prophets.  

God allows us to say shit when it is in our mouths, and to spit it out.   We need not live this way, nor bequeath filth, pron, libido domine, bankruptcy, serfdom to an insane and evil class of pajama boy-things as our posterity.   

The actual Vandals would of course be an improvement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh there&#8217;s no clever theological trick, just as their rise to power wasn&#8217;t clever theological tricks but the ol fashioned bloody slog.</p>
<p>However&#8230;Sir&#8230;what is your kind of reactionary?   All you counsel is despair.</p>
<p>Perhaps the Father of the Reformation, and the City of God which plagues us for centuries and is now in it&#8217;s suicidal teological end state [look around for the results of the City of God made flesh], and the cringer at the door to the Dark Ages?  I&#8217;m surprised the Vandals buried him.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theopedia.com/Augustine_of_Hippo" rel="nofollow">http://www.theopedia.com/Augustine_of_Hippo</a></p>
<p>What do you counsel ever but despair?   That all our works may be dust.  Yes.  We all end in dust.  We don&#8217;t however need to live in filth, and my kind of reactionary wants to use the gifts God gave us to do something and indeed <b> anything </b> to raise us from it.  </p>
<p>We need Apostle Paul&#8217;s and we need Constantines.   Man never needed an Augustine, he is a plague on all he touches.   Despair is the enemy&#8217;s strongest weapon, it needs no prophets.  </p>
<p>God allows us to say shit when it is in our mouths, and to spit it out.   We need not live this way, nor bequeath filth, pron, libido domine, bankruptcy, serfdom to an insane and evil class of pajama boy-things as our posterity.   </p>
<p>The actual Vandals would of course be an improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32708</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diogenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[60-80 years later, I would&#039;ve thought we&#039;d gotten past the linguistic turn by now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60-80 years later, I would&#8217;ve thought we&#8217;d gotten past the linguistic turn by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-internet-of-money/#comment-32704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 04:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spandrell: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/bitcoin-1984/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bitcoin 1984&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

Forbes: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/2013/12/16/bitcoin-is-not-anonymous-is-always-taxable/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bitcoin Is Not Anonymous And Is Always Taxable&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

Real Currencies: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is the National Security Agency behind Bitcoin?&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

Bitcoin Forum: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288545.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Has the NSA already broken bitcoin?&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

Rick Falkvinge: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/12/bitcoin-could-lead-to-liberty-paradise-but-also-to-surveillance-dystopia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bitcoin Could Lead To Liberty Paradise, But Also To Surveillance Dystopia&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

Ajay Shamdasani: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://gatecoin.com/gatecoinInterview.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bitcoin better than cash for AML and KYC compliance, says founder of new digital currency exchange&lt;/a&gt;&quot; [PDF]

Vice.com &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/bitcoins-fatal-flaw-was-nearly-exposed&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bitcoin&#039;s Fatal Flaw Was Nearly Exposed&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

I&#039;d also point back at Vladimir&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xenosystems.net/the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-1021&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;four scenarios&lt;/a&gt; criticism, and particularly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xenosystems.net/the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-1206&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nick B. Steves&#039;&lt;/a&gt; fifth scenario, in line with the above. Just as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/globalhighered/moocs-fad-and-bubble-please-tell-us-another-story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dominique Boullier&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-55/#comment-32683&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lesser Bull&lt;/a&gt; expect MOOCs to expand the power of HYP, I, and others, find it likely that Bitcoin will become another tool of the Cathedral Panopticon.

Again, this faith that some clever technological trick will non-catistrophically overturn the Cathedral and pave the way for some new Golden Age is very Progressive. It reminds me of Geordi and/or Data whipping up some &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnoBabble&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Treknobabble&lt;/a&gt; doodad in the last five minutes of the episode to free the Enterprise from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NegativeSpaceWedgie&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Negative Space Wedgie&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterOfTheWeek&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;of the week&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s poor-quality soft sci-fi, and one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.jim.com/science/leftism-as-cancer.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cancerous memes&lt;/a&gt;. I would again question whether one with faith in that sort of Deus ex Machina can be considered any kind of reactionary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spandrell: &#8220;<a href="http://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/bitcoin-1984/" rel="nofollow">Bitcoin 1984</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Forbes: &#8220;<a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/2013/12/16/bitcoin-is-not-anonymous-is-always-taxable/" rel="nofollow">Bitcoin Is Not Anonymous And Is Always Taxable</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Real Currencies: &#8220;<a href="http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/" rel="nofollow">Is the National Security Agency behind Bitcoin?</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Bitcoin Forum: &#8220;<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288545.0" rel="nofollow">Has the NSA already broken bitcoin?</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Rick Falkvinge: &#8220;<a href="https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/12/bitcoin-could-lead-to-liberty-paradise-but-also-to-surveillance-dystopia/" rel="nofollow">Bitcoin Could Lead To Liberty Paradise, But Also To Surveillance Dystopia</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Ajay Shamdasani: &#8220;<a href="http://gatecoin.com/gatecoinInterview.pdf" rel="nofollow">Bitcoin better than cash for AML and KYC compliance, says founder of new digital currency exchange</a>&#8221; [PDF]</p>
<p>Vice.com &#8220;<a href="http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/bitcoins-fatal-flaw-was-nearly-exposed" rel="nofollow">Bitcoin&#8217;s Fatal Flaw Was Nearly Exposed</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also point back at Vladimir&#8217;s <a href="http://www.xenosystems.net/the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-1021" rel="nofollow">four scenarios</a> criticism, and particularly <a href="http://www.xenosystems.net/the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-1206" rel="nofollow">Nick B. Steves&#8217;</a> fifth scenario, in line with the above. Just as <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/globalhighered/moocs-fad-and-bubble-please-tell-us-another-story" rel="nofollow">Dominique Boullier</a> and <a href="http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-55/#comment-32683" rel="nofollow">Lesser Bull</a> expect MOOCs to expand the power of HYP, I, and others, find it likely that Bitcoin will become another tool of the Cathedral Panopticon.</p>
<p>Again, this faith that some clever technological trick will non-catistrophically overturn the Cathedral and pave the way for some new Golden Age is very Progressive. It reminds me of Geordi and/or Data whipping up some <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnoBabble" rel="nofollow">Treknobabble</a> doodad in the last five minutes of the episode to free the Enterprise from the <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NegativeSpaceWedgie" rel="nofollow">Negative Space Wedgie</a> <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterOfTheWeek" rel="nofollow">of the week</a>. It&#8217;s poor-quality soft sci-fi, and one of the <a href="http://blog.jim.com/science/leftism-as-cancer.html" rel="nofollow">cancerous memes</a>. I would again question whether one with faith in that sort of Deus ex Machina can be considered any kind of reactionary.</p>
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