The Islamic Vortex (Note-11)

Could the escalating Sunni-Shia War (intensified by the fracking revolution) take out Saudi Arabia?

(Cold Western indifference would be nice.)

October 22, 2016admin 16 Comments »
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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Barack Obama and Thomas Hobbes are not even distant cousins.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Western civilization will be resurrected when its foreign policy starts to resemble Impaled Nazarene lyrics.

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    Posted on October 22nd, 2016 at 7:34 pm Reply | Quote
  • darkreformation101 Says:

    Some thoughts.

    I read this article last night. I have started reading this guy since admin put him up. I highly recommend his book War Of The Words. It has nothing new for us here, but it is a great primer for, how do you say….normies? It lays out the general theory of the Crisis; the reality disortion; the gap between form and substance. Very Moldbuggian but without the weirdness. And it is only 30 pages! Highly recommended.

    As to the article. I would yes, the end of SA could, in theory, be a possibility.

    And maybe that is the intention.

    On an earlier thread, I suggested that the MENA chaos is actually part of a Grand Strategy. A Strategy that is working.

    Here is a curious thought that came to me last year: foreign policy can be radically interpreted depending upon which frame you adopt (realism or idealism). Trivial, I know. But, what was emotionally difficult to process was the possibility that the Western governments (USG) were doing the dirty in big, fantastic, way.

    Remember, all warfare is based on deception, and the West only fights when it believes it is in the right. Thus, it must conceal its real intentions. It must cloak them in moralistic garb.

    The problem with an interpretation such as this is well know to philosophers and critics of conspiracy thinking: coherence does not = truth.

    However, the recent wiki leaks, if true, have given me some confirmation that my theory is correct.

    And what is that?

    Divide and rule. Let the two cats fight. Incite chaos, death and destruction. Bleed the enemy. Rile them up and let them kill each other. The worse the better. BUT in their own lands.

    Deception, proxy and destruction in foreign policy, but SEDUCTION in domestic policy.

    As I said earlier, the West takes in the refugees (new customers and new opportunities) and allows them to rape and rob and kill (more chaos, more opportunity for control). Rile up the right, meanwhile, which puts the fear into the left; this allows the elites to justify control of the messengers, the message and mosques. (Integration).

    Thus, the cries grow! Messengers must intergrate! Indeed….. State sanctioned imams. Tax-payer funded mosques and schools which will, salmi sliced style, make them tow the party line.

    The Brahmins then say: “you can be a messenger and support democracy, gay rights, and short skirts. It is perfectly compatible.” This is the Brahmins flirting.

    “Messengers”, especially the homosexuals, sluts and “progressives” who look and sound good on TV can be the new pets of the Brahmins. They want power, prestige and pleasure and to be the people’s voice on the media. Thus, the cathedral seduces these younglings into the “web of sin”.

    As I said in one of my DR posts “Harvard’s strategy is feminine. It seduces.” (The Clash Of Memes and the Making of a New World (Dis)Order.)

    Back to the MENA.

    The game could be played like this:

    Escalate the war between SA and IRAN all the way, but nice and slow and steady. Come to an understanding with Russia, but maintain the appearance of being hostile. Let Russia back Iran, while the West can back SA.

    Again, the worse the better. If one dog gets weak, the sponsor reigns in the leash. If another dog gets too horny, pull back on the leash.

    Let the radicals die. Destroy their entire civilisation. Only, let them do it themselves. It is the will of Allah. Yet, all the while, the Brahmins go on TV and bleat “democracy, peace, negotiations, human rights, transitional government.”

    End result:

    Cream off the best, let Allah take the rest. New customers. Rile up the right, and then thrown them a bone by forcing the messengers to dilute the message. All the while building up a permanent democratic vote bank (divide and rule).

    And then….

    When they tire, when they have had enough, when they are weak……

    Time to send a peacekeeping operation!

    Install the Modern Structure! Democracy, civil servants (messengers, born and raised in the West, who speak English and Arabic and who look like natives, but who are progressive on the inside); schools,hospitals, universities; and Hollywood and porn!

    And, of course, suck up any oil that that is left.

    Then, these countries will be welcomed (absorbed) into the family of nations (state department) and they will have their own little cathedral (Potemkin mosques with queer, transgender Imams).

    Mini-skirts in Mecca by 2046!

    Could it be true? Is it possible?

    If you were a progressive, how would you do it?

    Is this ethical? Will it, in fact, work?

    Would it be better to simply practice a Napoleonic style war?

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    jay Reply:

    The advance of leftism through the YPG PKK among the Kurds and the demise of Islamists as well as all you have stated with pozzed the middle east to such a degree its not funny.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The Concrete Mixer – Ray Bradbury

    http://greenhumanities.edublogs.org/files/2012/09/Bradbury-Illustrated-Man-1wytglb.pdf#132

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    My favorite splice so far from the Islamic Vortex series:

    Land: So – does Mecca get nuked?

    […]

    Spandrell: Well, everybody has to go to Mecca in pilgrimage, right?
    Let them eat the radiation =)
    The destruction of Saudi Arabia as a source of funds for Sunni supremacism would be the biggest game changer. It’s the only real source of power they have.
    Land: When Mecca is destroyed I think everything is supposed to switch over to end-of-the-world mode. It’s hard to predict how the Ummah responds to that.
    Spandrell: Well humans have a way of going back to daily routine no matter what their God demands them to do.
    Land: Well, in this case, sticking with the routine is praying in the direction of a radioactive crater five times a day. How does that work out?

    I see how a Land could inspire a Cyclonopedia.

    If Muslims experienced a death of God would it be easier for the left or NRx to appropriate their anomic souls? I would wager the latter, as there are clear similarities between the alt-right and Islam (stare into the void, the void stares into you), though now we’re talking about ideological colonization, something that the praxis-reticence here would hinder. As admin shows there are people being neoreactionaries in reality! …failing. This because–for reasons besides fallenness and Poseidon–the left is a philosophical amateur: for it the Enlightenment is the Enlightenment. The left believes noble lies–they call them, more so feel them viscerally as, “truths”; we call them ignoble and recognize them as thoroughly contingent on might and the prestige of the conqueror. HBD is the common transcendental signifier to describe what the new right has on the left, but I think this peculiar historicism, or relativization of history is just as significant, at least for me more of a humanities type. Without the understanding of behavioral (hierarchical) differences between races and sexes and the ability to tune one’s antenna to a wave-length that is if not beyond at least a static version of the Cathedral Narrative, there is no steering turd world countries correctly. But this type of ESP (ASP) is rendered superfluous by the sad fact that no one is going to trust an aristocracy that is, to them, autistically and/or schizophrenically detached from muh truths. If, IF, a redpilled–assuming Bush and his Bonemen wasn’t more redpilled, heh–organization were to take a guinea pig country for driving lessons, I wouldn’t be surprised if much of the citizenry was similar to types we find on the alt-right. The left is in a far worse position to handle these types of human beings than the NRx. And yet handling them they are, mostly by dumping them onto us. (My city is getting 200 Syrian refugees soon–the Governor assures us Steve Jobs was half-Syrian.)

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    @ Dick More empirical proof of the high v low

    https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/glaeser/files/curley_effect_1.pdf

    They call it the curly effect.

    Without immigration it would only be a matter of biding one’s time and waiting for an economic collapse.

    Considering the Mecca question I call that option the Goldfinger stratagem.

    It’s possible that a honey pot stratagem would be better.

    Occupy Mecca. Expel everyone. Plant flag on Kabba. Build defensive fortifications around city. Invite attack. Drive off every wave with maximum force but encourage Jihadi immigration, build an airport out in the desert. Advertise globally for new martyr positions. Videotape and beem out to the world the failed attacks. Mock and humiliate.

    Hold sex parties inside the Kabba. Argue that all this this constitutes an empirical disproof of Allah.

    For the humdinger, drop the Kabba into the Indian Ocean and YouTube it. ( But in fact, keep it safe and hidden,it might be useful later for negotiations.)

    In war, the mental coherence of the enemy must be broken. They must lose all hope, faith and meaning. This can be done physically, but it can also be done metaphysically.

    Messengers, do not fear death, they welcome it. What they fear is humiliation, mockery and impotence. That is their weakness. And if they are to defeated, then it must be via metaphysics.
    Metaphysical humiliation.

    Notice that the “narrative” in the West, even from the generals, cannot even conceptualise what I have said. They cannot even think it.

    “Death before dishonour.”

    No.

    Dishonour, disappointment, depression, despair and then, as Bane says ” then you will be permitted to die.”

    As Clausewitz said: “everything in war is simple, but simplicity is the most difficult thing to achieve.”

    Not that I have a blood lust or anything. The fact is, even before reading Yudowsky I have a principle that you learn from the best. So, when I wanted to learn about warfare I studied the great commanders. If you study Napoleon, Caesar, Genghis Khan, you get a good orientation.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    There’s a meta-God beyond the Western God ((YHWH)) and Allah – there’s no reason to expect the Western God to be imbued by the mandate of heaven. We have shiny toys, freer thoughts and–let’s be honest–more beautiful women. But it could be that the meta-God’s plan for all our goodies is for them to be shared. “Could be”–what am I saying? With the dominance of the left that is empirical proof of this playing out in reality. Albeit a Mencius Moldbug doesn’t fall out of the sky 🙂 unless we mean sky as in Uranus, grandfather of Zeus.

    Judging by the jolly, frolicking auto-genocide of our brethren it would appear the internal logic of our Divinity is unfolding in a humiliating way for us. Then again, who’s more humiliated, the people who let savages in or the savages themselves? It’s unfair to call them savages – they have been steeped in the Abrahamic tradition as have we and that is a step above the black magic of the witch doctors in S. America (looking at you Erikson) and Africa. Though I think if ((YHWH)) had been more supportive of ritual entheogen use the West could have boot-strapped itself far higher than where it’s hanging in the air now.

    I/r/t Islam the West could ascend by incorporating its piety. ISIS is right to hate the West, our God is dead and we have killed Him. The dark side of Islamic piety is no science, no progress, and utter intellectual castration. So they can learn from us how to grow a pair and think outside the ****ing box for antichrissakes. What really needs to happen is for the West (left) to be humiliated. How could their/our “Mecca be nuked”? Everything else will follow from there.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    the answer is: Space Allah.

    the Allah that wills a crusade into outer space.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Which direction is Mecca from Mars?

    “Though I think if ((YHWH)) had been more supportive of ritual entheogen use the West could have boot-strapped itself far higher than where it’s hanging in the air now.”

    Agreed.
    Ultimately a nuclear tooled-up planet populated by ego-tards has zero chance of emerging on the other side of the Great Filter, and only mass ego-death (or at least ego-disidentification) can possibly save us –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH1bfZ1p6sg

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Or a focus of the populus on a glorious space race:
    https://twitter.com/sovietvisuals/status/740502933897281536

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    But what does the Yinon Plan have to say about Saudi Arabia or the escalating Sunni-Shia war? Because based on past events, cold Western indifference will only be allowed if that’s part of the Plan.

    Call me a cynic, but when I hear the word “culture”, I reach for my gun, and when I hear the words “more conflict in the Middle East”, my thoughts turn to the Yinon Plan:

    “The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently. Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

    The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day

    Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi’ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today.

    Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel.

    An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible.”

    ( excerpt from A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties (also known as The Yinon Plan)

    Now compare this to what Gen. Wesley Clarke revealed about the lead-up to the Iraq War.

    Six weeks later, I saw the same officer, and asked: “Are we still going to attack Iraq?”   He said: “Sir, it’s worse than that. He said – he pulled up a piece of paper off his desk – he said:

    “I just got this memo from the Secretary of Defense’s office. It says we’re going to attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years – we’re going to start with Iraq, and then we’re going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.”

    This document, and the events which have followed its publication, should lay to rest once and for all any illusions we might have harboured in relation to the various wars in the Middle East.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬> In the Bible, the term is used thrice in the book of Leviticus 16, where two male goats were to be sacrificed to Yahweh and one of the two was selected by lot, for Yahweh is seen as speaking through the lots.[1] The next words are לַעֲזָאזֵל, read either as “for absolute removal” or as “for Azazel”. This goat was then cast out in the desert as part of Yom Kippur. <

    Feral Goat=Troll=Hail Satan=Feeding Earth=China Lake Alien Base

    http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/manifesto-of-the-committee-to-abolish-outer-space/

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  • michael Says:

    the simple explanation is obama and clinton are morons. as to sa and oli, without oil excuse, hard to defend isarael ,makes one wonder about anti fracking activists funding sources.
    yeah could lose whole region pretty much already have, then again maybe eurpoe then has to buy russian oil and they stop the shit w each other and russia chills a bit and islam can then be just cordoned off let them eat sand drink what oil is left and die.

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  • Capitalist Says:

    Dark Reformation, nore that Pakistan has nukes and has offered saudia arabia and others nukes before. We could win, but we could quite possibly say goodbye to Athens, Rome, etc.

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  • D. Says:

    The West can’t yet afford to be indifferent to the security of oil exports from the Persian Gulf. Perhaps if Western governments were supportive of fracking, allowing as much utilization of fracking as possible and encouraging development of improved fracking technologies, then we would be able to reach a point where domestic oil production could fully compensate for the loss of Gulf oil while keeping oil at a reasonable price. As it is, Western governments are largely hostile to fracking on ideological grounds (Global Warming and saving Mother Gaia), and the Gulf states (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, and Oman) collectively produce about 24.4 million barrels of crude oil per day, almost one-third of the world total. This is vital not only to the West, but also to China, Japan, and the other more advanced countries in eastern Asia.

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