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		<title>By: Gringo Bush Pilot</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-note-3/#comment-133151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo Bush Pilot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 05:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The US had better get an orderly Embassy evacuation plan in order, otherwise there will be hell to pay. Americans and Iraqi employees can be flown out of Iraq in a manner that looks like a staffing adjustment. If we wait till the last moment there will be another national wart on Uncle Sam&#039;s nose that will make Saigon seem like child&#039;s play.
ISIS Commanders know that the closing of the US diplomatic mission in Baghdad is the prize. Once the US mission is closed, their mastery and sovereignty of Iraq is a done deal.
What a steaming cauldron is that thing we call American politics. Cheney and crew created this Frankenstein monster, and Obama will be crucified for the failure. Sad.

&quot;Stay the course / bring &#039;em on / mission accomplished.&quot;

Adios Baghdad!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US had better get an orderly Embassy evacuation plan in order, otherwise there will be hell to pay. Americans and Iraqi employees can be flown out of Iraq in a manner that looks like a staffing adjustment. If we wait till the last moment there will be another national wart on Uncle Sam&#8217;s nose that will make Saigon seem like child&#8217;s play.<br />
ISIS Commanders know that the closing of the US diplomatic mission in Baghdad is the prize. Once the US mission is closed, their mastery and sovereignty of Iraq is a done deal.<br />
What a steaming cauldron is that thing we call American politics. Cheney and crew created this Frankenstein monster, and Obama will be crucified for the failure. Sad.</p>
<p>&#8220;Stay the course / bring &#8216;em on / mission accomplished.&#8221;</p>
<p>Adios Baghdad!</p>
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		<title>By: NRx3r</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NRx3r]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont disagree, but to be completely fair the birthrate of Swedish women is so low that with or without the problems of multiculturalism - they are already consigned to the dustbin of history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont disagree, but to be completely fair the birthrate of Swedish women is so low that with or without the problems of multiculturalism &#8211; they are already consigned to the dustbin of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Round &#8211; 2014/10/21 &#124; Free Northerner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightning Round &#8211; 2014/10/21 &#124; Free Northerner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 05:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] take on  the coming caliphate. Related: The  culture and technology [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] take on  the coming caliphate. Related: The  culture and technology [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: vxxc2014</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great Post, all correct. 

Islam will never heal until the hole in their hearts caused by the ending of the Caliphate is filled.

Turkey may or may not get this, in any case it&#039;s pursuing a course of both Turkish Interests and a dream of the re-established Turkish Empire and populist and elitist Islam.  Turkish core interest is Anatolia.  They are unlikely to forget it.   It&#039;s how they took the Romans.  

However  Turkey may also be under the delusion they can ride the Tiger and harness it for their own purposes, this is already exploding in their faces.   I don&#039;t blame them for hanging up the phone on DC, but they&#039;re fools to play with this self-guiding and quite intelligent fire. 

Now here&#039;s a fascinating link to how ISIS organizes and fights: it seems to be Ausfragstik mission orders and small groups are concentrated and swarmed through social media.  

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/10/turkey-syria-how-to-defat-isis.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post, all correct. </p>
<p>Islam will never heal until the hole in their hearts caused by the ending of the Caliphate is filled.</p>
<p>Turkey may or may not get this, in any case it&#8217;s pursuing a course of both Turkish Interests and a dream of the re-established Turkish Empire and populist and elitist Islam.  Turkish core interest is Anatolia.  They are unlikely to forget it.   It&#8217;s how they took the Romans.  </p>
<p>However  Turkey may also be under the delusion they can ride the Tiger and harness it for their own purposes, this is already exploding in their faces.   I don&#8217;t blame them for hanging up the phone on DC, but they&#8217;re fools to play with this self-guiding and quite intelligent fire. </p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s a fascinating link to how ISIS organizes and fights: it seems to be Ausfragstik mission orders and small groups are concentrated and swarmed through social media.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/10/turkey-syria-how-to-defat-isis.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/10/turkey-syria-how-to-defat-isis.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-note-3/#comment-123665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Warburton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the ISIL have you seen this, Nick? Seems English students (The Scots aren&#039;t buying this shit) are in a race to get to the zone of self-flagellation just before total Left Singularity..... 

https://news.vice.com/article/britains-student-union-votes-against-condemning-the-islamic-state-because-that-would-be-islamophobic?utm_source=vicefbuk

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/islamophobia-strikes-again-british-union-of-students-refuses-to-condemn-isis/


Utterly absurd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the ISIL have you seen this, Nick? Seems English students (The Scots aren&#8217;t buying this shit) are in a race to get to the zone of self-flagellation just before total Left Singularity&#8230;.. </p>
<p><a href="https://news.vice.com/article/britains-student-union-votes-against-condemning-the-islamic-state-because-that-would-be-islamophobic?utm_source=vicefbuk" rel="nofollow">https://news.vice.com/article/britains-student-union-votes-against-condemning-the-islamic-state-because-that-would-be-islamophobic?utm_source=vicefbuk</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/islamophobia-strikes-again-british-union-of-students-refuses-to-condemn-isis/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/islamophobia-strikes-again-british-union-of-students-refuses-to-condemn-isis/</a></p>
<p>Utterly absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: SanguineEmpiricist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SanguineEmpiricist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, will order this tomorrow and get straight to it. Between the next world, the aristocracy, fitness, and the tide of high technology, there&#039;s not much time for anything! The antechamber of an opaque destiny (or something)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, will order this tomorrow and get straight to it. Between the next world, the aristocracy, fitness, and the tide of high technology, there&#8217;s not much time for anything! The antechamber of an opaque destiny (or something)</p>
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		<title>By: Fyrdsman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fyrdsman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 00:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It always seemed to me like Shia/Tutsi is a more apt comparison. Minorities, typically more civilized and educated, less of a tendency towards genocidal populism etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always seemed to me like Shia/Tutsi is a more apt comparison. Minorities, typically more civilized and educated, less of a tendency towards genocidal populism etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasputin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasputin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott, 

If Nick can be lured into economic identification with Ebola-Chan, I would be happy to cover his side of the bet. The bet would be between the two of you and it would be up to you to agree the exact terms. I won&#039;t interfere, I will just cough up $100 if Nick loses. Nick, I am happy to transfer the money to you well in advance of whatever deadline you agree, just in case anything happens to me - like I die of Ebola, or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, </p>
<p>If Nick can be lured into economic identification with Ebola-Chan, I would be happy to cover his side of the bet. The bet would be between the two of you and it would be up to you to agree the exact terms. I won&#8217;t interfere, I will just cough up $100 if Nick loses. Nick, I am happy to transfer the money to you well in advance of whatever deadline you agree, just in case anything happens to me &#8211; like I die of Ebola, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: William Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Newman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Asabiyyah is useless for anything but war, and it dissolves into dust with peace. &quot;

Asabiya is an old concept that gets interpreted in the modern world in different ways by different people. The way I interpret it, it doesn&#039;t seem to me that it dissolves into dust, unless perhaps you mean it is part of the soil in which the Industrial Revolution grew.

It seems to me that asabiya serves as a decent term for what is maybe the first principal component of generalized social capital, and the extent to which a society can maintain asabiya at any given scale (citystate, continental empire, whatever) bears very strongly both on military effectiveness and on economic effectiveness. Justified confidence that the people you do business with won&#039;t let you down or steal from you seems likely to be strongly related to justified confidence that your comrade in arms won&#039;t let you down or betray you, and justified confidence that your political rulership won&#039;t let you down or steal from you seems likely to be strongly related to justified confidence that your military leadership won&#039;t let you down or betray you. When Xenophon is needled by his Spartan fellow merc about the Athenians being skilled at stealing public money, and when the Old Testament tells the story of David sending Uriah to his death, it seems to me in both cases the main intended significance of the story is asabiya, and in both cases it is hard to separate it either from wartime significance or from peacetime significance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Asabiyyah is useless for anything but war, and it dissolves into dust with peace. &#8221;</p>
<p>Asabiya is an old concept that gets interpreted in the modern world in different ways by different people. The way I interpret it, it doesn&#8217;t seem to me that it dissolves into dust, unless perhaps you mean it is part of the soil in which the Industrial Revolution grew.</p>
<p>It seems to me that asabiya serves as a decent term for what is maybe the first principal component of generalized social capital, and the extent to which a society can maintain asabiya at any given scale (citystate, continental empire, whatever) bears very strongly both on military effectiveness and on economic effectiveness. Justified confidence that the people you do business with won&#8217;t let you down or steal from you seems likely to be strongly related to justified confidence that your comrade in arms won&#8217;t let you down or betray you, and justified confidence that your political rulership won&#8217;t let you down or steal from you seems likely to be strongly related to justified confidence that your military leadership won&#8217;t let you down or betray you. When Xenophon is needled by his Spartan fellow merc about the Athenians being skilled at stealing public money, and when the Old Testament tells the story of David sending Uriah to his death, it seems to me in both cases the main intended significance of the story is asabiya, and in both cases it is hard to separate it either from wartime significance or from peacetime significance.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanfeizi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hanfeizi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bloodsoaked sand or not, the Caliphates of old stood for centuries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloodsoaked sand or not, the Caliphates of old stood for centuries.</p>
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