The Islamic Vortex (Note-4)
So the Islamic State has executed their captive Jordanian pilot, Lt Moaz al-Kasasbehby, by burning him alive. The event was artfully videotaped and maximally publicized. It was an act undertaken with an extraordinary degree of intent.
The ‘organization’ beheaded Japanese journalist Kenji Goto a few days previously. It had already beheaded another Japanese hostage, Haruna Yukawa, a week before.
The deliberate combination of indiscriminate and exorbitant violence is remarkable. It looks like a purposeful escalation beyond terror, aimed calmly at the entire world.
If there’s anyone who hasn’t watched Apocalypse Now recently, this might be the time to correct that. A reminder:
Kurtz: I’ve seen horrors … horrors that you’ve seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that … but you have no right to judge me. It’s impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror … Horror has a face … and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies! I remember when I was with Special Forces … seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate some children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn’t see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember … I … I … I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn’t know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it … I never want to forget. And then I realized … like I was shot … like I was shot with a diamond … a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God … the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men … trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love … but they had the strength … the strength … to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral … and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling … without passion … without judgment … without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.
ADDED: “I love the smell of napalm in the morning …”
Aren’t you all INTJ’s?
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Hurlock Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Yes.
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SOBL Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
No, ENTJ.
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E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 11:48 pm
ENTJ
Heh
Aeroguy Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
I’m INTP which is why I’m in the comments, dropping ideas hoping INTJs will run with them and correcting people.
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Aeroguy Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
Also the Miars Briggs Judging vs Perceiving is the most misunderstood aspect. The Judging trait doesn’t mean judgement. Action would have been a better choice, it refers to a preference for using a person’s judging (making decisions) trait or perceiving (making observations) trait. It’s about how comfortable people are making decisions without complete information. Leeroy Jenkins is what an extreme J looks like and an extreme P never makes decisions at all. This is at trait that I consider to be plastic with training and awareness, P’s can practice and learn when decisions need to be fast and get over their discomfort about making decisions without complete information. J’s can practice and learn when decisions need to be thought out and get over their discomfort about not acting immediately.
P’s are also your disorganized procrastinators while OCD J’s want to hurry up and get all their work done so they can check out and stop thinking. Because of this J’s can be rigid and arbitrary in organizing everything while P’s can be more insightful. Innovation is impossible without both types working together. If you want a project to get done a J type needs to be involved, if you want it to be impressive a P type also needs to be involved. Personally I think people with a given J/P trait should have a boss of the opposite trait for balance.
To bring it on topic, the J trait is actually a better fit for being the killing machine that was described. J types dominate the military, P types that can act like J’s are also around.
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John Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 7:53 pm
Most tests have come out INTP, but once or twice INTJ. I’m on the border of P/J
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Kgaard Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 11:02 pm
Yup. Why do you ask?
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At least Jordan went ahead and hanged a couple of their own prisoners, in accordance with the pre-modern (i.e. sensible) customary laws of warfare. Meanwhile in the civilized world, workplace-violence committer Nidal Hassan, sentenced to death after only four short years of payments to lawyers (not to mention MAJ Hassan himself), may or may not be executed sometime between now and when his bones undergo proton decay.
This is in addition to the several hundred spies, saboteurs, bandits, and general hostes humani generis imprisoned approximately forever because no one important bothered to think about even the first-order consequences of abrogating the old laws concerning these types of men. This of course requires extensive paranoid secrecy from USG including the subversion of friendly foreign governments, unilateral NDAs backed by decades-long prison sentences, the creation of a parallel/”private” military etc. Like you said, as democracy matures reality must increasingly be processed in secret.
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 4:12 pm | QuoteIt is unfortunate that the establishment learns nothing from this lesson. If a couple of insurgents dump weapons in the home of some poor soul and tell him that he and his family will be tortured and killed if they don’t do their best to keep the weapons there, then the person will comply. At least as long as the counter-threat of the civilized forces doesn’t escalate beyond interrogation and imprisonment and the threat of the terrorists is credible.
Wagging ones establishmental finger in the face of terrorists wont do shit.
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 4:28 pm | QuoteInteresting they shifted away from the beheading technique after the controversy over the green screen technology employed.
http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/01/21/isis-latest-japanese-video-green-screen-faked/
In the fire video, Seven camera angles and adobe after effects show they are investing in better production value going forward.
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 6:15 pm | QuoteI prefer this version of the Isis anthem.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWUu5L2s53g&w=560&h=315
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 6:22 pm | QuoteThe Blood Eagle. We need to be strong enough to do the Blood Eagle.
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Szechuan Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
Is that like Do(ing) the Manta Ray?
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Aeroguy Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Doing that to ISIS members would strengthen their brethren’s resolve, doing that to their innocent loved ones tit for tat on the other hand…
Meanwhile back in prog dominated reality a O3 who fires his gun near the head of a captive who responds by pissing himself and revealing the location of nearby buried IEDs saving the lives of his men who are actively engaged gets 20 years to life instead of a medal.
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 8:12 pm | QuoteThis is so ironic. Someone beheading Japs?
One wonders what the IJA’s youtube channel would have looked like had there been a youtube during their China campaign.
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 8:18 pm | QuoteReminder for you guys who haven’t seen Africa Addio yet: it’s mandatory.
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Kgaard Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 12:48 am
Thanks for the reco. Just bought it. Looks very strange.
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Rita Katz Makes Fire
http://www.deliberation.info/rita-katz-makes-fire/
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 10:22 pm | QuoteI think Taleb’s solution is perfect. This was awesome.
Via Twitter
> “In 80s terrorists captured 4 Russians in Beirut.Russians kidnapped 10 relatives of terrorists, sent body parts.Nobody since messed wRussians” – NNT
> “To win against ISIS, replace the crybaby reaction “they are horrible, let’s take them to court” w/ “Let us just kill them all,no prisoners.”
> “Coulibaly, a nonmuslim, was recruited by ISIS in a French jail. Lebanon’s Roumieh jail is where suicide bombings are organized, like C.C.”
> “Terrorism is antifragile: either 1) Ignore them (impossible with media) or 2) Hit with ALL you got, no “values” BS. Nothing in between.”
> “I do not think ISIS members deserve to be prisoners. An insult to prisoners “
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Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 11:15 pm | Quote>and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling … without passion … without judgment … without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.
ISIS seem full of passion and judgement. When does it start defeating them?
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Nyan Sandwich Reply:
February 4th, 2015 at 11:31 pm
Kurtz might be wrong here, or meaning it to mean without judgement for one’s own side.
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soapjackal Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 1:21 am
Kurtz is not wrong and any confusion I’m seeing seems to be that Land misused the quote. Sorta strange that there’s zero mention of Jordans Response to their pilot getting burned, quick and decisive hanging of prisoners, or no mention of the Mexican Cartels who regularly stuff tires onto people and light them on fire. Equally horrifying
Its worth it to actually watch the whole movie but its necessary to at least watch the monolouge instead of reading it if you have never seen it before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHrcD87aOCw
For those who havent seen this movie its about the Vietnam conflict and a soldier sent to assassinate a Colonel gone rouge. The Colonel, Kurtz, is insane but primarily he has left the military because he doesnt think they are capable of handling Vietnam and are just wasting dollars and lives over there.
Before I talk about Kurtz lemme introduce you to Max Boot and his theories of geurilla warfare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7ah26QEdUI
Max Boot has a few key points I would like to quickly address but the video is well worth watching. First almost all conflict the Human Race has known as been geurilla in nature. Traditional Warfare is anything but. The United States is very good in arenas of Traditional Warfare but that is not the warfare we are being offered. The enemies of the US are not imbeciles. They know better than to give the US a war they want. The Media prevents any liberal democracy from being able to fight geurilla warfare in any effective manner. Finally the US military is doing nothing to prepare for the fact that geurilla warfare is the new standard going forward.
So what was Kurtz talking about? Its not clear which ethnic group he is referring to but it can be inferred it was a ‘friendly’ village somewhere in SE asia near Vietnam. These people quickly cut off the arms of their own children to prevent the inoculation. This wasnt the burning of an enemy POW. This was cutting off the arms of their children.
Why do you think Kurtz described his behavior as ‘crying like a grandmother’ or how he ‘wanted to pull my teeth out’? For that is horror. Its not just the raw suffering of life or the trautmatic act of burning a man to death. Its the horror of mutilitating your own children. The reasoning why such an act was done has not been detailed but it is fairly easy to compare this to African Tribes who believe Western medicine is actually a poision for the souls of their people.
Kurtz as he wrangles with the inhuman terror of beholding a pile of childrens arms he himself inoculated comes to a moment of clarity.
“And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it … I never want to forget. And then I realized … like I was shot … like I was shot with a diamond … a diamond bullet right through my forehead. ”
Hell of a red pill eh? Diamantgeschoss is now my new favorite term.
He realized what would happen if you ‘made horror an ally':
“And I thought, my God … the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that”
These were men who could internalize suffering and ACT without hesitation to do what was necessary. This is not a quality that describes the Men of the West. In vietnam traditional tactics would leave the army open to defeat as they would not be psychologically capable of doing what was necessary.
Near the end of the movie the main character sees Col.Kurtz typed log for the military and about a third of the way through that scribbled in red pen is the message:
“Drop the BOMB EXTERMINATE Them All!”
http://cl.ly/image/0m08201b0h31
Which seems to frame the whole monolouge as Kurtz trying to come to terms with the necessary strategic choices in order to win the vietnam conflict. Trying to come to terms with the cost. Which seems to be reflected the second to the last bit:
“You have to have men who are moral … and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling … without passion … without judgment … without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.”
Moral Men who do not Hesitate to do whats necessary.
That doesnt sound paticulary like Terrorists. No. Like SanguineEmpiricist pointed out thats more like what Taleb said Russias response was to terrorism. Some terrorists kidnapped some russian nationals and killed them.
The Russians didnt kill the terrorists.
Instead they kidnapped 10 relatives of the terrorists and sent them to the terrorists.
Piece by piece.
Without any hesitation. It was just the natural result of such a ploy. Given the general attitude terrorists have towards russia now I would say that it was pretty necessary.
The west is not well acquaninted enough with horror and suffering anymore to understand what is necessary. These are not Moral Men who act without judgment. Instead we have immoral men on both sides who spend almost all of their time judging. Our entire media complexes involvement in war seems to be about judging things without taking action.
The arabs are slightly more acquanited with this horror but the arabs have an interesting relationship with islam. Islam is a unifying holistic structure for the arab peoples that has a centeral tenet: war. They are constantly at war at their borders and the only endstate is when islam dominantes the planet. This is not a conflict of moral men that are not judging. They are determing a total genocidal end state which isnt very plausible to be what ‘is necessary’ and sending angry muslim boys at it. Geurilla warfare is effective but just because you dont follow the geneva convention doesnt mean youre the type of soldier col. kurtz would want.
At the end of the day I very much doubt that the West or the Arabs have the men that Col. Kurtz would use but its only that type of man that will triumph in these conflicts. Not conventional warfare.
Welcome to the Stammtisch Diamantgeschoss
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admin Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 1:45 am
The Islamic State is betting that they’re not up against Kurtz, and they’re almost certainly right.
SanguineEmpiricist Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 4:40 am
This is the best comment ever.
Killing them all in a fit of prog-rage is far too close to the Fox News position for comfort.
Instead of killing them all, kill your inner universalist and stop caring how foreign retards govern themselves.
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Alrenous Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 12:51 am
Ah, an excuse to bust out one of my catchphrases. Though, this line is likely to lead to misinterpreting our host’s intent, who is admirably disinterested and whose post is admirably bare of implications beyond, “This is an interesting development.”
If they want my protection they can bloody well ask for it, and it isn’t free. Until then their lives, or lack thereof, are none of my business.
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SanguineEmpiricist Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 1:02 am
When you have an otherwise free market economy that means your supply chain is spread out to further and further parts of the globe so when there is regional instability there and your resource chain is at disparate parts of the planet earth you must mobilize forces there especially if a major resource center(OIL) is under threat. We cannot let oil go, and it’s generally a smart idea to protect your allies.
ISIS seems pretty dangerous. Look at how many countries are at war with it right now. It’s not that simple. In the other thread you insulted me for no reason but this question is relatively easy to answer. I do not understand where the spite comes from at times.
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Izak Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 3:14 am
I doubt anyone here really needs any more training on killing their own inner-universalist.
Hell, I killed my inner-universalist so damn dead that I’m about to believe in universalism from a totally relativistic standpoint.
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Apocalypse Now has always been my absolute favorite movie … like for 30 years now. I have often wondered why, exactly, that should be. I’ve never had a good answer. My latest take: The entire movie exists in a sort of Schopenhauer-ian noumenal realm. Nothing is ever about what is actually on the screen. The scenes are just shadow plays over a deeper reality that is felt … RIGHT beneath the surface. No one is in control of their own situation, their own lives. And yet everyone is somehow called to go beyond himself. There is constant struggle … all occurring against a backdrop of constant beauty.
As an aside … I went to the War Remnants Museum in Saigon and it is something to see. The rocket-launching tubes on the sides of those planes and helicopters … just little aluminum tubes … yet they feel like pure technological evil. They shoot death, nothing more. The irony of the whole visit was that Asian visitors kept getting their picture taken in front of the helicopters and planes. The women in particular wanted to be photographed next to the American death machines.
Inside the front door of the museum sat a bunch of kids who were all messed up from birth due to their parents’ exposure to Agent Orange. Very disturbing. One kid, for instance, had no eyes. They just never grew in.
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Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 1:00 am | QuoteAnyone with the remotest possibility of being captured by these guys needs to carry cyanide capsules—one way to kill their satisfaction, not to mention their little movie/propaganda productions.
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Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 1:23 am | QuoteWe’re never going to out-barbarize the Arabs (or the Russians for that matter). Blood-eagling a few jihadi’s seems attractive from the vantage point of a western living room only. Laying aside the smell, mess and general unsavouriness it probably wouldn’t generate constructive results (the only constructive result = Islam’s annihilation)
Surely this would be better achieved by huge investment in fuel cell and/or fusion research? No requirement for oil and attendant cutting off of the only significant cash flow to arabs would be the equivalent of lighting a torch and throwing it into that festering cesspool of dysgenics east of the Mediterranean.
Then order a suitably pork-infused pizza, grab a beer and watch the barbarians go full auto-genocide. Capitalism, you gotta love it.
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Aeroguy Reply:
February 5th, 2015 at 4:14 am
Fusion has always been 10 years away (though the rumors coming out of Lockheed are that this time it really will be 10 years). In the meantime you have to pretend to do something about the terrorists and you have soldiers who don’t know it’s pretend (populist opinion management only) because for them it’s very very real. Destabilizing the region was our own doing on purpose, but yes the oil must flow and ISIS does keep the oil flowing, the Kurtz types make sure of it. USG does have Kurtz types populating the ranks of the foreign policy establishment (who are insulated from, occasionally compete with, and are currently allied with the Cathedral), their sole objective, maintain the dominance of USG which by extension maintains their own dominance. They consider ISIS useful. My hope is that our ideas are as infectious as advertised and penetrate those men.
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Civilization bottles up male aggression and then torments masculine sensibilities so that they can be unleashed in war or other manipulated hysterias. And, yes “hysteria” is the proper term for this distorted masculine behavior as it is a form of parasitic castration — males so castrated have been, in fact, feminized including macho warrior types. The big problem with Western civilization at present is it has bought its own material about “sexism” and can’t deal rationally with the primordial contract between males and civilization that removes from men their independence as killers in exchange for provision of group territorial defense. The “borderless” religion of Western elites takes the ordinary torment to which males are subject as part of civilized hysteria, and compounds it with ineffectual manipulation. Organizations like ISIS feed on this — the more vicious and violent, the better the marketing and the more followers — fanatical followers — they attract out of this denied masculine hysteria of the West.
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Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 3:15 am | Quote