The Islamic Vortex (Note-4)

So the Islamic State has executed their captive Jordanian pilot, Lt Moaz al-Kasasbehby, by burning him alive. The event was artfully videotaped and maximally publicized. It was an act undertaken with an extraordinary degree of intent.


The ‘organization’ beheaded Japanese journalist Kenji Goto a few days previously. It had already beheaded another Japanese hostage, Haruna Yukawa, a week before.

The deliberate combination of indiscriminate and exorbitant violence is remarkable. It looks like a purposeful escalation beyond terror, aimed calmly at the entire world.

If there’s anyone who hasn’t watched Apocalypse Now recently, this might be the time to correct that. A reminder:

Kurtz: I’ve seen horrors … horrors that you’ve seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that … but you have no right to judge me. It’s impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror … Horror has a face … and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies! I remember when I was with Special Forces … seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate some children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn’t see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember … I … I … I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn’t know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it … I never want to forget. And then I realized … like I was shot … like I was shot with a diamond … a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God … the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men … trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love … but they had the strength … the strength … to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral … and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling … without passion … without judgment … without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.

ADDED: “I love the smell of napalm in the morning …”

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  • Oldstudent Says:

    Aren’t you all INTJ’s?


    Hurlock Reply:



    SOBL Reply:

    No, ENTJ.


    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:



    Aeroguy Reply:

    I’m INTP which is why I’m in the comments, dropping ideas hoping INTJs will run with them and correcting people.


    Aeroguy Reply:

    Also the Miars Briggs Judging vs Perceiving is the most misunderstood aspect. The Judging trait doesn’t mean judgement. Action would have been a better choice, it refers to a preference for using a person’s judging (making decisions) trait or perceiving (making observations) trait. It’s about how comfortable people are making decisions without complete information. Leeroy Jenkins is what an extreme J looks like and an extreme P never makes decisions at all. This is at trait that I consider to be plastic with training and awareness, P’s can practice and learn when decisions need to be fast and get over their discomfort about making decisions without complete information. J’s can practice and learn when decisions need to be thought out and get over their discomfort about not acting immediately.

    P’s are also your disorganized procrastinators while OCD J’s want to hurry up and get all their work done so they can check out and stop thinking. Because of this J’s can be rigid and arbitrary in organizing everything while P’s can be more insightful. Innovation is impossible without both types working together. If you want a project to get done a J type needs to be involved, if you want it to be impressive a P type also needs to be involved. Personally I think people with a given J/P trait should have a boss of the opposite trait for balance.

    To bring it on topic, the J trait is actually a better fit for being the killing machine that was described. J types dominate the military, P types that can act like J’s are also around.


    John Reply:

    Most tests have come out INTP, but once or twice INTJ. I’m on the border of P/J


    Kgaard Reply:

    Yup. Why do you ask?


    Kevin C. Reply:

    ISTJ here, strong on the I and J, much less on the S and T.


    nydwracu Reply:



    Exfernal Reply:

    INTP Low range N and P, extremely high I and T. Rather an interested observer than a participant, here and elsewhere.


    Preston S. Brooks Reply:

    Nope, ENTJ here.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 3:33 pm Reply | Quote
  • ivvenalis Says:

    At least Jordan went ahead and hanged a couple of their own prisoners, in accordance with the pre-modern (i.e. sensible) customary laws of warfare. Meanwhile in the civilized world, workplace-violence committer Nidal Hassan, sentenced to death after only four short years of payments to lawyers (not to mention MAJ Hassan himself), may or may not be executed sometime between now and when his bones undergo proton decay.

    This is in addition to the several hundred spies, saboteurs, bandits, and general hostes humani generis imprisoned approximately forever because no one important bothered to think about even the first-order consequences of abrogating the old laws concerning these types of men. This of course requires extensive paranoid secrecy from USG including the subversion of friendly foreign governments, unilateral NDAs backed by decades-long prison sentences, the creation of a parallel/”private” military etc. Like you said, as democracy matures reality must increasingly be processed in secret.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 4:12 pm Reply | Quote
  • SGW Says:

    It is unfortunate that the establishment learns nothing from this lesson. If a couple of insurgents dump weapons in the home of some poor soul and tell him that he and his family will be tortured and killed if they don’t do their best to keep the weapons there, then the person will comply. At least as long as the counter-threat of the civilized forces doesn’t escalate beyond interrogation and imprisonment and the threat of the terrorists is credible.

    Wagging ones establishmental finger in the face of terrorists wont do shit.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 4:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • hollywood Says:

    Interesting they shifted away from the beheading technique after the controversy over the green screen technology employed.

    In the fire video, Seven camera angles and adobe after effects show they are investing in better production value going forward.


    anti-hermetic Reply:

    You’re no fun. Stop poking holes in a stimulating narrative. This trial balloon has taken flight!


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 6:15 pm Reply | Quote
  • Erebus Says:

    I prefer this version of the Isis anthem.



    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 6:22 pm Reply | Quote
  • Nyan Sandwich Says:

    The Blood Eagle. We need to be strong enough to do the Blood Eagle.


    Szechuan Reply:

    Is that like Do(ing) the Manta Ray?


    Erik Reply:

    No. The Blood Eagle is where you cut open a man along the spine, and pull his lungs and/or ribs out to the side so they look like wings.


    Aeroguy Reply:

    Doing that to ISIS members would strengthen their brethren’s resolve, doing that to their innocent loved ones tit for tat on the other hand…

    Meanwhile back in prog dominated reality a O3 who fires his gun near the head of a captive who responds by pissing himself and revealing the location of nearby buried IEDs saving the lives of his men who are actively engaged gets 20 years to life instead of a medal.


    nydwracu Reply:

    Either glass the place and Saudi Arabia with it or go work on cheap solar and starve the sons of bitches.

    Hell, if I weren’t already tied down to dev bullshit, I’d be doing whatever I could to get into solar. See this map? Most of those red countries deserve nothing but the invisible hand’s extended middle finger pushing them back into the irrelevance from whence they came.

    These latter-day Puritans are less dead than us. But they’re not us, they don’t like us, and they’re of no use to us aside from being on land that our Prostetnics don’t have the balls to push them off of — so they’ve got to go.

    (Yes, Puritans. Glassing Saudi Arabia wouldn’t make a difference in the end, given that the fucking lunatics bulldoze archaeological sites as soon as they find them. That alone is enough that any sane person ought to be waiting for the day the US military becomes more than a glorified jobs program so it can blow Wahhabism off the face of the earth. Pan-nationalism only goes so far: once you start erasing history, you’re fair game.)


    Exfernal Reply:

    Solar? Guess the EROEI (including energy costs of manufacturing (don’t forget mining of rare elements used) – all done on solar-derived energy).


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 6:38 pm Reply | Quote
  • The Islamic Vortex (Note-4) | Reaction Times Says:

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    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 8:12 pm Reply | Quote
  • R. Says:

    This is so ironic. Someone beheading Japs?

    One wonders what the IJA’s youtube channel would have looked like had there been a youtube during their China campaign.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 8:18 pm Reply | Quote
  • xaver Says:

    Reminder for you guys who haven’t seen Africa Addio yet: it’s mandatory.


    Kgaard Reply:

    Thanks for the reco. Just bought it. Looks very strange.


    Contemplationist Reply:

    Make sure to watch the Italian version with subtitles, NOT the American one.


    Izak Reply:

    Oh yeah! That movie is fantastic.

    Addio Zio Tom is also great.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 9:10 pm Reply | Quote
  • Who got the video first? Says:

    Rita Katz Makes Fire


    anti-hermetic Reply:

    Hilarious. All these hoax videos are released by S,I.T.E. and sent exclusively to elite mainstream media. Why can/t these hoax terrorists ever release their videos directly to the public?


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 10:22 pm Reply | Quote
  • SanguineEmpiricist Says:

    I think Taleb’s solution is perfect. This was awesome.

    Via Twitter

    > “In 80s terrorists captured 4 Russians in Beirut.Russians kidnapped 10 relatives of terrorists, sent body parts.Nobody since messed wRussians” – NNT

    > “To win against ISIS, replace the crybaby reaction “they are horrible, let’s take them to court” w/ “Let us just kill them all,no prisoners.”

    > “Coulibaly, a nonmuslim, was recruited by ISIS in a French jail. Lebanon’s Roumieh jail is where suicide bombings are organized, like C.C.”

    > “Terrorism is antifragile: either 1) Ignore them (impossible with media) or 2) Hit with ALL you got, no “values” BS. Nothing in between.”

    > “I do not think ISIS members deserve to be prisoners. An insult to prisoners “


    Scharlach Reply:

    My respect for the man just increased tenfold.


    R. Reply:

    Neat is that the ragheads are kind of even more sensitive to dead or dismembered relatives on account of their clannishness and inbreeding.

    Of course, this kind of dealing with terrorists is in contravention of the UN charter and every human rights agreement ever.

    Human rights. That’s why we can’t have nice things.


    Alrenous Reply:

    Are ISIS signatories of the geneva convention? If they were, they could, theoretically, be prosecuted. Don’t have to put up with it.
    Turns out having contracts grant rights to non-signatories is irrational. Or callous altruism.

    R. Reply:

    They’re not.

    Geneva convention permits executing ISIS fighters. They don’t fight according to the laws of war(the rampant executions and slavery and shit), so they can be shot out of hand if captured.

    nydwracu Reply:

    “The sovereign is the one who can proclaim a state of exception.” “Fascism is the introduction of a permanent state of emergency.” Therefore states of exception and emergency are always bad, therefore they should never be proclaimed, and so it goes until the men with the beards come in, round up everyone who talks like that, pull their internal organs out of their bodies, and stack them all in neat little piles for the camera.

    Taleb may well be the only ‘intellectual’ who has a goddamn clue.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 11:15 pm Reply | Quote
  • Karl "Madman" Mundt Says:

    >and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling … without passion … without judgment … without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.

    ISIS seem full of passion and judgement. When does it start defeating them?


    Nyan Sandwich Reply:

    Kurtz might be wrong here, or meaning it to mean without judgement for one’s own side.


    soapjackal Reply:

    Kurtz is not wrong and any confusion I’m seeing seems to be that Land misused the quote. Sorta strange that there’s zero mention of Jordans Response to their pilot getting burned, quick and decisive hanging of prisoners, or no mention of the Mexican Cartels who regularly stuff tires onto people and light them on fire. Equally horrifying

    Its worth it to actually watch the whole movie but its necessary to at least watch the monolouge instead of reading it if you have never seen it before:

    For those who havent seen this movie its about the Vietnam conflict and a soldier sent to assassinate a Colonel gone rouge. The Colonel, Kurtz, is insane but primarily he has left the military because he doesnt think they are capable of handling Vietnam and are just wasting dollars and lives over there.

    Before I talk about Kurtz lemme introduce you to Max Boot and his theories of geurilla warfare:

    Max Boot has a few key points I would like to quickly address but the video is well worth watching. First almost all conflict the Human Race has known as been geurilla in nature. Traditional Warfare is anything but. The United States is very good in arenas of Traditional Warfare but that is not the warfare we are being offered. The enemies of the US are not imbeciles. They know better than to give the US a war they want. The Media prevents any liberal democracy from being able to fight geurilla warfare in any effective manner. Finally the US military is doing nothing to prepare for the fact that geurilla warfare is the new standard going forward.

    So what was Kurtz talking about? Its not clear which ethnic group he is referring to but it can be inferred it was a ‘friendly’ village somewhere in SE asia near Vietnam. These people quickly cut off the arms of their own children to prevent the inoculation. This wasnt the burning of an enemy POW. This was cutting off the arms of their children.

    Why do you think Kurtz described his behavior as ‘crying like a grandmother’ or how he ‘wanted to pull my teeth out’? For that is horror. Its not just the raw suffering of life or the trautmatic act of burning a man to death. Its the horror of mutilitating your own children. The reasoning why such an act was done has not been detailed but it is fairly easy to compare this to African Tribes who believe Western medicine is actually a poision for the souls of their people.

    Kurtz as he wrangles with the inhuman terror of beholding a pile of childrens arms he himself inoculated comes to a moment of clarity.

    “And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it … I never want to forget. And then I realized … like I was shot … like I was shot with a diamond … a diamond bullet right through my forehead. ”

    Hell of a red pill eh? Diamantgeschoss is now my new favorite term.

    He realized what would happen if you ‘made horror an ally’:

    “And I thought, my God … the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that”

    These were men who could internalize suffering and ACT without hesitation to do what was necessary. This is not a quality that describes the Men of the West. In vietnam traditional tactics would leave the army open to defeat as they would not be psychologically capable of doing what was necessary.

    Near the end of the movie the main character sees Col.Kurtz typed log for the military and about a third of the way through that scribbled in red pen is the message:

    “Drop the BOMB EXTERMINATE Them All!”

    Which seems to frame the whole monolouge as Kurtz trying to come to terms with the necessary strategic choices in order to win the vietnam conflict. Trying to come to terms with the cost. Which seems to be reflected the second to the last bit:

    “You have to have men who are moral … and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling … without passion … without judgment … without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.”

    Moral Men who do not Hesitate to do whats necessary.

    That doesnt sound paticulary like Terrorists. No. Like SanguineEmpiricist pointed out thats more like what Taleb said Russias response was to terrorism. Some terrorists kidnapped some russian nationals and killed them.

    The Russians didnt kill the terrorists.

    Instead they kidnapped 10 relatives of the terrorists and sent them to the terrorists.

    Piece by piece.

    Without any hesitation. It was just the natural result of such a ploy. Given the general attitude terrorists have towards russia now I would say that it was pretty necessary.

    The west is not well acquaninted enough with horror and suffering anymore to understand what is necessary. These are not Moral Men who act without judgment. Instead we have immoral men on both sides who spend almost all of their time judging. Our entire media complexes involvement in war seems to be about judging things without taking action.

    The arabs are slightly more acquanited with this horror but the arabs have an interesting relationship with islam. Islam is a unifying holistic structure for the arab peoples that has a centeral tenet: war. They are constantly at war at their borders and the only endstate is when islam dominantes the planet. This is not a conflict of moral men that are not judging. They are determing a total genocidal end state which isnt very plausible to be what ‘is necessary’ and sending angry muslim boys at it. Geurilla warfare is effective but just because you dont follow the geneva convention doesnt mean youre the type of soldier col. kurtz would want.

    At the end of the day I very much doubt that the West or the Arabs have the men that Col. Kurtz would use but its only that type of man that will triumph in these conflicts. Not conventional warfare.

    Welcome to the Stammtisch Diamantgeschoss


    admin Reply:

    The Islamic State is betting that they’re not up against Kurtz, and they’re almost certainly right.

    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    This is the best comment ever.

    R. Reply:

    It’s a fucking film based on a fucking boring, pretentious and not particularly dark book* about the shit that went down in Congo when Leopold was in charge.

    It’s not the fucking Art of fucking War.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 11:19 pm Reply | Quote
  • an inanimate aluminum tube Says:

    Killing them all in a fit of prog-rage is far too close to the Fox News position for comfort.

    Instead of killing them all, kill your inner universalist and stop caring how foreign retards govern themselves.


    Alrenous Reply:

    Ah, an excuse to bust out one of my catchphrases. Though, this line is likely to lead to misinterpreting our host’s intent, who is admirably disinterested and whose post is admirably bare of implications beyond, “This is an interesting development.”

    If they want my protection they can bloody well ask for it, and it isn’t free. Until then their lives, or lack thereof, are none of my business.


    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    When you have an otherwise free market economy that means your supply chain is spread out to further and further parts of the globe so when there is regional instability there and your resource chain is at disparate parts of the planet earth you must mobilize forces there especially if a major resource center(OIL) is under threat. We cannot let oil go, and it’s generally a smart idea to protect your allies.

    ISIS seems pretty dangerous. Look at how many countries are at war with it right now. It’s not that simple. In the other thread you insulted me for no reason but this question is relatively easy to answer. I do not understand where the spite comes from at times.


    Alrenous Reply:

    Sure, you should protect your allies. However…

    1) They’re not my allies, formally they’re allies of USG or something.
    2) Informally they clearly aren’t allies of USG. Indeed being a formal ally is if anything an even more dangerous position. (Israel done fucked up.) With friends like that….
    3) ISIS wants to be at war. It’s not, it’s at war theatre. It has to use all this theatre precisely because it can’t win in material terms. It stands or falls entirely on the psychological field. As soon as anyone recognizes this, they fall on the psychological field. It’s generous to call them a paper tiger; the tiger needs to be touched to tear, ISIS can’t even stand a steady gaze. They’re being horrifying so you’ll look away, because they know this.

    4.1) Free markets can wu wei. As far as I know, these instabilities are funded by oil. However, substitutes exist – let them disrupt the supply chain, it will starve them, but not us. In the meantime, trade occurs elsewhere. If they wise up, then trade can resume. If they don’t, then actually what the market wants is to get out of there ASAP, because it’s not worth the cost.
    4.2) If this oil is so important then those to whom it’s important should have secured primary property rights in the relevant land, in which case they have a moral case to defend it through any means necessary. They did not. If oil is indeed important, then this is Gnon’s way of telling them to secure it properly next time. If this particular oil isn’t that important, it’s Gnon’s way of cuffing ISIS upside the head for stabbing the golden goose.

    In either case they need westerners far more than westerners need them. It’s the flip side of special interests – precisely because they benefit disproportionately, they suffer disproportionately when trying to hold the interest hostage.

    Y.Ilan Reply:

    ISIS is only dangerous to those unable to oppose them, and those unable to oppose them are not worth anyone’s time; let things fall where they may. If trade from Iraq doesn’t get to Europe through Syria, it’ll get there through Israel (quietly), and so on.

    admin Reply:

    “ISIS is only dangerous to those unable to oppose them” — Japanese journalists?

    Y.Ilan Reply:

    Japanese journalists, much like anyone else knowingly going into a warzone, are undoubtedly risking their life and it shouldn’t surprise us if they get beheaded. What’s so special about Japanese journalists, that they should get such a disproportionate emotional response? Let each side mourn its own in silence, and let those with an interest in the battle fight it out. The only way to conclude such things is by being deadly serious about killing your enemy, not by showing meekness to your would-be killers.

    Alrenous Reply:

    Imagine you’re a security insurance agency. One of your subscribers, a journalist, informs you they’re going into an Islamic war zone. They want you to cover the trip. What do you say to them?

    At some point it’s the adult’s duty to care for their own security. I’m not going to risk my soldier’s lives over someone being knowingly foolhardy.

    Izak Reply:

    I doubt anyone here really needs any more training on killing their own inner-universalist.

    Hell, I killed my inner-universalist so damn dead that I’m about to believe in universalism from a totally relativistic standpoint.


    Posted on February 4th, 2015 at 11:58 pm Reply | Quote
  • Kgaard Says:

    Apocalypse Now has always been my absolute favorite movie … like for 30 years now. I have often wondered why, exactly, that should be. I’ve never had a good answer. My latest take: The entire movie exists in a sort of Schopenhauer-ian noumenal realm. Nothing is ever about what is actually on the screen. The scenes are just shadow plays over a deeper reality that is felt … RIGHT beneath the surface. No one is in control of their own situation, their own lives. And yet everyone is somehow called to go beyond himself. There is constant struggle … all occurring against a backdrop of constant beauty.

    As an aside … I went to the War Remnants Museum in Saigon and it is something to see. The rocket-launching tubes on the sides of those planes and helicopters … just little aluminum tubes … yet they feel like pure technological evil. They shoot death, nothing more. The irony of the whole visit was that Asian visitors kept getting their picture taken in front of the helicopters and planes. The women in particular wanted to be photographed next to the American death machines.

    Inside the front door of the museum sat a bunch of kids who were all messed up from birth due to their parents’ exposure to Agent Orange. Very disturbing. One kid, for instance, had no eyes. They just never grew in.


    Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 1:00 am Reply | Quote
  • NRx_N00B Says:

    Anyone with the remotest possibility of being captured by these guys needs to carry cyanide capsules—one way to kill their satisfaction, not to mention their little movie/propaganda productions.


    nydwracu Reply:

    ^ Here’s a man who knows what’s up.


    Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 1:23 am Reply | Quote
  • OblivionKnight_ Says:

    We’re never going to out-barbarize the Arabs (or the Russians for that matter). Blood-eagling a few jihadi’s seems attractive from the vantage point of a western living room only. Laying aside the smell, mess and general unsavouriness it probably wouldn’t generate constructive results (the only constructive result = Islam’s annihilation)
    Surely this would be better achieved by huge investment in fuel cell and/or fusion research? No requirement for oil and attendant cutting off of the only significant cash flow to arabs would be the equivalent of lighting a torch and throwing it into that festering cesspool of dysgenics east of the Mediterranean.
    Then order a suitably pork-infused pizza, grab a beer and watch the barbarians go full auto-genocide. Capitalism, you gotta love it.


    Aeroguy Reply:

    Fusion has always been 10 years away (though the rumors coming out of Lockheed are that this time it really will be 10 years). In the meantime you have to pretend to do something about the terrorists and you have soldiers who don’t know it’s pretend (populist opinion management only) because for them it’s very very real. Destabilizing the region was our own doing on purpose, but yes the oil must flow and ISIS does keep the oil flowing, the Kurtz types make sure of it. USG does have Kurtz types populating the ranks of the foreign policy establishment (who are insulated from, occasionally compete with, and are currently allied with the Cathedral), their sole objective, maintain the dominance of USG which by extension maintains their own dominance. They consider ISIS useful. My hope is that our ideas are as infectious as advertised and penetrate those men.


    nydwracu Reply:

    Going from one way of chaining everyone to a grid to other ways of chaining everyone to a grid that don’t even exist yet?

    Meanwhile, Africa has already gotten the message that the infrastructure isn’t going to come — and switched to solar. There were a few very confused articles a while back about ‘Tea Partiers’ doing the same thing. “What are these disgusting rednecks doing taking up something that’s good for the environment?” Good question. What are they doing getting the hell off the grid and flipping off the Arabs while they’re at it?

    Hell, I hear that, in some places, if you stay on the grid after you get solar, you can sell back the extra power you generate. Sounds like a good deal to me.


    Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 1:58 am Reply | Quote
  • Matt Says:

    Civilization bottles up male aggression and then torments masculine sensibilities so that they can be unleashed in war or other manipulated hysterias. And, yes “hysteria” is the proper term for this distorted masculine behavior as it is a form of parasitic castration — males so castrated have been, in fact, feminized including macho warrior types. The big problem with Western civilization at present is it has bought its own material about “sexism” and can’t deal rationally with the primordial contract between males and civilization that removes from men their independence as killers in exchange for provision of group territorial defense. The “borderless” religion of Western elites takes the ordinary torment to which males are subject as part of civilized hysteria, and compounds it with ineffectual manipulation. Organizations like ISIS feed on this — the more vicious and violent, the better the marketing and the more followers — fanatical followers — they attract out of this denied masculine hysteria of the West.


    Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 3:15 am Reply | Quote
  • vxxc2014 Says:

    OldStudent wins the Troll of the Year and maybe this Blog’s all time Troll WIN with:

    “Oldstudent Says:

    Aren’t you all INTJ’s?”

    Absolutely the most successful Troll here ever. Ever.


    Izak Reply:

    Bahahaha yes. Excellent.


    Posted on February 5th, 2015 at 12:41 pm Reply | Quote
  • SanguineEmpiricist Says:


    Let’s continue the ISIS thread at the top because it was getting decent, and it gives us a chance to brush up on geopolitics.

    1) We probably already have a expansive and long term intelligence and technical infrastructure set up in IRAQ because we were there already.

    2) If we do not help our allies, we will have abandoned them and therefore the people that hate us will merely shift to another political bloc. The resulting geopolitical infrastructure, alliances, promises, and connections have already been made and we cannot merely withdraw completely based off of folk wisdom type “If it isn’t us, why care?”. You must always keep obligations that you do not necessarily like, because forces have materialized otherwise.

    3)IRAQ is in the top 5 oil reserves in the world. News reports say that ISIS was making at one point 1-2million/a day. The chance that they could otherwise ramp up their operations to significantly expand. They could easy set up an infrastructure to begin terrifying transnational operations.

    4)People say that Saudi’s might be funding ISIS, whether you believe it or not is irrelevant you assign whatever probability* and then go from there. If we lose even the potential to extract such large oil reserves we have to deal with radical islam for more generations. They are not a ‘paper tiger’. I don’t know how much you can trust this, but an ex-intelligence official said we will need 100 thousand people on the ground to stand a chance. What sort of hubris is thinking that they’re origami fighters or something. WIKI says

    20,000–31,000 (CIA estimate, Sept. 2014)
    70,000 (Russian military estimate is their estimated troops. Use a script to generate 20-31 thousand numbers in a row and look at how big that is. The last century had extermination camps killing people by the millions. Such operations are not beyond them.

    and most importantly

    5)What kind of nonsense argument is “The oil will get here anyways”. If you found 50 kilos of crown jewels across the street you would not say “John can have it, it’ll get here anyways”. WTF. Look at the total assets of Saudi Aramco *36 Trillion!*. That’s the sort of stakes we’re playing with. You can’t just say “Nah dude, it just aint us man, let’s pack it up”.

    It’s not gonna happen. There’s no way. Modernity happened because of Industry. The Industrial Revolution is a power law, the only thing keeping paradise running away from Malthusian traps is oil and fuel. It will never be a viable geopolitical answer to not have access to that kind of resources.

    *The math doesn’t matter too much, you just have to be open to both possibilities.


    Hurlock Reply:

    “1) We probably already have a expansive and long term intelligence and technical infrastructure set up in IRAQ because we were there already.”

    From what I remember instead of building a proper intelligence/technical infrastructure USG was busy trying to build democracy. We are currently observing the results of those attempts. If USG had a proper expansive and long-term intelligence infrastructure set up in Iraq why the hell did that country collapse the second the troops were withdrawn?
    The current overly chaotic state of Iraq can mean two things:
    1. USG simply doesn’t have an extensive long-term intelligence infrastructure in Iraq (probably had a temporary one during the occupation)
    2. The USG has an extensive long-term intelligence infrastructure, but it is so inefficient that the moment the troops are withrawn it cannot keep the country from collapsing into anarcho-tyranny.

    “3)IRAQ is in the top 5 oil reserves in the world. News reports say that ISIS was making at one point 1-2million/a day. The chance that they could otherwise ramp up their operations to significantly expand. They could easy set up an infrastructure to begin terrifying transnational operations.”

    Good point, but just having a ton of oil is not enough. For serious transnational operations and moving beyond guerilla warfare ISIS would need more than just oil, they would need some advanced technology as well. Presumably they can buy a ton of technology with the oil they have but who will be willing to trade with them? Obviously not the west. Russia? Last time I checked Putin was selling guns to Assad and he is enemies with ISIS. Not to mention that Putin is in quite a bit of trouble already. I doubt he would be willing to antagonize the US and EU to such a great extent. China? Why would they compromise their current position by antagonizing the US? It is much more beneficial for China to simply sit tight building up its own strength while leaving the west sweating in the middle east. Not to mention that the region for now is not of primary interest for China – southeast asia and specifically the pacific region is a much bigger priority for them.
    The important point is that ISIS has 0 international legitimacy. That’s kinda what happens when you declare jihan on everyone. Why would any state, even those who are enemies to the US, such as Russia, be willing to trade with an organization which is overly-aggressive, destabilizing and making the Middle-East an even more volatile region than it already is. Why not instead trade with some of the much more practical and rational neighbours of ISIS?
    The completely lack of international legitimacy and open declarations of world jihad means that ISIS is seriously handicapping themselves in terms of foreign policy options.

    “4) I don’t know how much you can trust this, but an ex-intelligence official said we will need 100 thousand people on the ground to stand a chance. What sort of hubris is thinking that they’re origami fighters or something.”

    From what we have seen so far ISIS seem to be extremely inefficient fighters. Few months ago Admin here was quite optimistic about their chances and was even going to bet that by March they would have taken Baghdad. Their progress has been pretty disappointing so far. I think that 100k on the ground ‘to stand a chance’ is seriously overrating their military prowess.
    And right now ISIS are in the business of pissing everyone off, by killing journalists of various nationalities. I am with Alrenous on this one that it’s an obvious bluff and they are simply tryin to project power. But it’s too obvious it is just a show-off. No one in their right mind wants to antagonize the whole of the developed world. But because ISIS have extremely limited diplomatic options after declaring world jihan and essentially declaring the current international system and everyone in it illegitimate, this bluff is the best they can do. ‘We have pissed them off, but maybe if we scare them enough, they will be too afraid to smash us’. That’s obviously not going to work out of course.
    If NATO decides to deploy a few thousand ground forces tomorrow, I am pretty sure that ISIS will be completely driven out of Iraq before the end of spring.
    ISIS neither has very good technology to put them on par with western troops, not to mention any military genius as we can infer from the past seven monts of tortured attempts to secure some ground in Iraq, and in the end failing to take Baghdad. Since it was founded some seven months ago this ‘state’ hasn’t really made any serious progress on the ground. The only reason why ISIS has gained any territorial control at all is because both Syria and Iraq were torn by civil wars (and that was mostly the fault of USG, not of ISIS’s military and political genius).


    Alrenous Reply:

    2) ‘We’
    I repeat. They’re not my allies. Further USG, by any rational measure, has already abandoned its allies.

    4) Radical Islam is also a paper tiger. Car accidents vastly outweigh them in total damage. So does the flu. Islamic terrorism is a rounding error. Materially speaking.

    USG deployed more than 100,000 to Iraq already. Indeed with the UK it totalled more than 200,000. The personnel are available and mobilizable. There is no material reason they couldn’t do so again. You trying to tell me ISIS is more competent than Saddam’s troops, you know, with actual training and equipment? The moment ISIS manages to be a threat should be moment they’re casually wiped from the face of the Earth.

    The US military has over 2 million soldiers, and the shock and awe operation proved they’re more than competent at their jobs. Of course most are already deployed elsewhere, but ISIS can’t even begin to threaten this edifice. Materially, that is.

    5) I didn’t say oil near ISIS would get here anyway.


    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    People have pissed off the entire world before and won. It’s called power law events. That’s what ‘tail risk is’

    Alrenous you cannot compare car accidents to ISIS because car accidents not grow, they are a stable probability distribution applied over an entire population. ISIS is a power law distribution which has the power to grow, has enough OIL to fund it’s entire operations if they get it.

    This is roughly the same mistake that causes you to think in your blog posts that probability is sufficient to make decisions. You must multiply price by probability otherwise you are not doing it right. Every sports gambler and poker player knows that. Not only is it a power law, the damage it can do it is undefined and unbounded. Car accidents wouldn’t just collectively converge and kill 100k people tomorrow.

    THE USG has had it’s morale significantly lowered, the US does not want another war necessarily the 2008 financial crisis destroyed trillions, and so did the IRAQ war. We’re in a completely different position, but OIL is definitely important enough to do that.

    You cannot say “I have a 3% chance to win, is that sufficient?” or “I have a 95% chance to win, is that sufficient?” You have to multiply by the price on the board. That means no matter how low the percentage is, if the cost/potential is high enough that’s bad enough. That’s what TAIL RISK is.

    A lot of former Sadam officials are a part of ISIS. I am unsure what country of origin you are from so I cannot comment. I tried to look through your blog posts at a quick glance, but I did not see it.

    Also epistemology does not imply ontology. Ontology precedes epistemology. This is the reason Judea Pearl says that the simpson paradox cannot be solved without casual calculus. You use epistemology to get the right answer, because the ontological casual chains of the entire universe accross time is so vast and complicated you can only see a small part of it. Map does not imply territory. Because you have an incomplete view of the entire universe. This is why randomness is a state of the mind, because you cannot see the casual mechanism of the entire universe.

    Epistemology is the guide of life definitely, but ontology thus territory precedes the epistemological map.

    If you can kind of make out what I’m saying, it’s why you in your blog posts “calibrate” as opposed to multiplying by a price function. That’s the entire point of insurance mathematics. The episteme vs ontology argument is directly tied to why probability is insufficient alone for decision making thus why epistemic confidence is insufficient. If you want an example using sporsts gambling or poker I can provide it. However the posts take me quite a bit of time to write, because I think about them often.

    @Hurlock I’ll reply to you in blog posts or here, but I agree with mostly what you have said since we agree on the oil part. I just disagree in the fact that “ISIS isn’t dangerous”


    R. Reply:

    The US military has over 2 million soldiers,


    Not even remotely.

    It has 2.1 million personnel, if all reserves are called up.

    The vast majority of that are various powerpoint rangers, grease-monkeys, supply troops, etc. REMFs.

    US Army strength is something like 20 divisions and some change.


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  • RorschachRomanov Says:

    I do not mean to repeatedly paste, but this is a more appropriate thread, as it inspired the video.


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  • Ex-pat in Oz Says:

    @Karl “Madman” Mundt

    I’d also suggest that Heart of Darkness was supposed to, in its po-mo analysis, suggest the inherent contradictions between ‘civilised’ and uncivilised behaviour. It presupposed we would turn necessarily from the Kurtzian proposition as unacceptable. It also left us paralysed without any response to the Viet approach. We were doomed.

    I’d suggest the opposite. If Kurtz was right, then why was the ethical objection considered as also ‘right’? Both can’t be. It suggests that the moral presupposition was flawed, not Kurtz’s response to it. If the moral presupposition is considered void, then the entire false narrative of Western ‘civlisation’ must likewise we voided. Ethics is simply a set of rules required to successfully operate. Kurtz’s ethics worked. The Western ethics did not.

    Kurtz was the villain we were supposed to condemn. He wasn’t. He was the tortured Last Man of his time who knew it was all a terrible lie, one he’d never see revealed in his time.

    Time for a new Kurtz.


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