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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9593</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 03:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take &quot;cathedralist&quot; as meaning gleichgeschaltet, as explained in Open Letter part 4:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/05/ol4-dr-johnsons-hypothesis.html

Essentially, this is the same thing as &quot;politically correct&quot; or &quot;in bed with the fashion sheep / mainstream media&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take &#8220;cathedralist&#8221; as meaning gleichgeschaltet, as explained in Open Letter part 4:</p>
<p><a href="http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/05/ol4-dr-johnsons-hypothesis.html" rel="nofollow">http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/05/ol4-dr-johnsons-hypothesis.html</a></p>
<p>Essentially, this is the same thing as &#8220;politically correct&#8221; or &#8220;in bed with the fashion sheep / mainstream media&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: A reader</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear the term &quot;cathedralist&quot; around here often and nowhere else. What exactly does it mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear the term &#8220;cathedralist&#8221; around here often and nowhere else. What exactly does it mean?</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9490</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 21:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t decide whether it&#039;s Vogon plodding or gravity.   The Muslim world has it out every once in awhile.

I&#039;m out.  I was never at Vogon Senior Service level.   I do glean from say SOFREP blog and elsewhere that none of we trigger pullers want anything to do with it, certainly not regular all in forces.

And also the sneaky special silent types are quite on the ground and involved.  This in itself doesn&#039;t mean much, if there&#039;s conflict *usually* they&#039;re around if even tangential to our interests. 

I see what you mean about it changing the world order.   At least theirs.  Mind you AF-PAK and MENA can be as creative about their own destruction as they like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t decide whether it&#8217;s Vogon plodding or gravity.   The Muslim world has it out every once in awhile.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m out.  I was never at Vogon Senior Service level.   I do glean from say SOFREP blog and elsewhere that none of we trigger pullers want anything to do with it, certainly not regular all in forces.</p>
<p>And also the sneaky special silent types are quite on the ground and involved.  This in itself doesn&#8217;t mean much, if there&#8217;s conflict *usually* they&#8217;re around if even tangential to our interests. </p>
<p>I see what you mean about it changing the world order.   At least theirs.  Mind you AF-PAK and MENA can be as creative about their own destruction as they like.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Bill, anonymous

I think you&#039;re describing liberalism, with good government meaning government effective in promoting liberal ends or a certain liberal order. Democracy fails to deliver the goods, so to speak, so non-democratic government is necessary. 

This is quite different from many of the disparate groups that fall under the heading &quot;neo-reaction&quot; such as the nationalists, fascists, theocrats, etc. who differ completely in terms of both means and ends. I&#039;m not sure how sensible it is to group all these together. 

Furthermore, this liberalism clearly has more in common with prominent elements of the current order, such as Mayor Bloomberg of New York and his administration, than it does with certain elements classed under &quot;neo-reaction&quot;, such as ethno-nationalists or traditionalist Catholics.

I think authoritarian liberalism, or non-democratic liberalism, or just Classical Liberalism/libertarianism seems more accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bill, anonymous</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re describing liberalism, with good government meaning government effective in promoting liberal ends or a certain liberal order. Democracy fails to deliver the goods, so to speak, so non-democratic government is necessary. </p>
<p>This is quite different from many of the disparate groups that fall under the heading &#8220;neo-reaction&#8221; such as the nationalists, fascists, theocrats, etc. who differ completely in terms of both means and ends. I&#8217;m not sure how sensible it is to group all these together. </p>
<p>Furthermore, this liberalism clearly has more in common with prominent elements of the current order, such as Mayor Bloomberg of New York and his administration, than it does with certain elements classed under &#8220;neo-reaction&#8221;, such as ethno-nationalists or traditionalist Catholics.</p>
<p>I think authoritarian liberalism, or non-democratic liberalism, or just Classical Liberalism/libertarianism seems more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9417</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh come on, it&#039;s not that cryptic. Obviously it&#039;s absurd to think that Obama has &#039;done&#039; anything to make any of this happen, except through negligence, incompetence, dithering, and -- more positively -- massive strategic disinvestment from the entire region. Therefore, (since the USA has never faced such a favorable ME environment in its entire history) subsequent events make the anti-&#039;neocon&#039; case, except from the anarcho-isolationist right, rather than the Wilsonian left. If USG was entirely paralyzed, both domestically and internationally, it&#039;s hard to even begin to imagine how favorable the situation might become.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, it&#8217;s not that cryptic. Obviously it&#8217;s absurd to think that Obama has &#8216;done&#8217; anything to make any of this happen, except through negligence, incompetence, dithering, and &#8212; more positively &#8212; massive strategic disinvestment from the entire region. Therefore, (since the USA has never faced such a favorable ME environment in its entire history) subsequent events make the anti-&#8216;neocon&#8217; case, except from the anarcho-isolationist right, rather than the Wilsonian left. If USG was entirely paralyzed, both domestically and internationally, it&#8217;s hard to even begin to imagine how favorable the situation might become.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alrenous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Straussian readings, eh? Okay, let&#039;s test: what am I getting at?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straussian readings, eh? Okay, let&#8217;s test: what am I getting at?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 13:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In effect, they were restoring democracy&quot; -- That quote is a treasure (not to be squandered on a glib response).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In effect, they were restoring democracy&#8221; &#8212; That quote is a treasure (not to be squandered on a glib response).</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9400</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In related news, John Kerry&#039;s capacity for doublethink continues to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10218112/Egypt-braced-for-pro-Mohammed-Morsi-rallies.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dazzle&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;I&gt;Mr Kerry told Pakistan&#039;s Geo television: &quot;The military was asked to intervene by millions and millions of people, all of whom were afraid of a descendance into chaos, into violence.&quot;

&quot;And the military did not take over, to the best of our judgment – so far. To run the country, there&#039;s a civilian government. In effect, they were restoring democracy,&quot; he added.&lt;/I&gt;

Does this restoration blow a hole in your Ninja Obama theory (or is Kerry just not in on &lt;I&gt;the Plan&lt;/I&gt;)? It would have been amusing if someone had asked him when the fear of &quot;descendance&quot; might abate - presumably after a few more years of democratically-approved culls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In related news, John Kerry&#8217;s capacity for doublethink continues to <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10218112/Egypt-braced-for-pro-Mohammed-Morsi-rallies.html" rel="nofollow">dazzle</a>:</p>
<p><i>Mr Kerry told Pakistan&#8217;s Geo television: &#8220;The military was asked to intervene by millions and millions of people, all of whom were afraid of a descendance into chaos, into violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And the military did not take over, to the best of our judgment – so far. To run the country, there&#8217;s a civilian government. In effect, they were restoring democracy,&#8221; he added.</i></p>
<p>Does this restoration blow a hole in your Ninja Obama theory (or is Kerry just not in on <i>the Plan</i>)? It would have been amusing if someone had asked him when the fear of &#8220;descendance&#8221; might abate &#8211; presumably after a few more years of democratically-approved culls.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 04:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liberals are utopians.  They believe they can create paradise.  Paradise is always  in the future.  

Neoreaction accepts reality.  Reality is not anthropocentric and it has rules.  Accepting these is accepting order.  Within the scope of human events it is not absolute, it just places an emphasis on order.  Order is something that happens now.  

A utopian fantasy about the future justifies any means in the present.  A group focused on order uses means that conserve order in the present, they may be creative but they don&#039;t do crazy things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals are utopians.  They believe they can create paradise.  Paradise is always  in the future.  </p>
<p>Neoreaction accepts reality.  Reality is not anthropocentric and it has rules.  Accepting these is accepting order.  Within the scope of human events it is not absolute, it just places an emphasis on order.  Order is something that happens now.  </p>
<p>A utopian fantasy about the future justifies any means in the present.  A group focused on order uses means that conserve order in the present, they may be creative but they don&#8217;t do crazy things.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-3/#comment-9386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 03:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those two sergeants made the right call, and if &#039;the Vogons&#039; are indeed equally clear-sighted, then things will get interesting, in (for e.g.) Af-Pak, where creative destruction has not yet seriously begun. It&#039;s odd, though, to see things unfolding as if they were being &#039;run&#039; intelligently.That has not exactly been the historical norm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those two sergeants made the right call, and if &#8216;the Vogons&#8217; are indeed equally clear-sighted, then things will get interesting, in (for e.g.) Af-Pak, where creative destruction has not yet seriously begun. It&#8217;s odd, though, to see things unfolding as if they were being &#8216;run&#8217; intelligently.That has not exactly been the historical norm.</p>
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