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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 10:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The crude trend line projects 30,000 US military deaths over the course of a 200 year hyper-diffuse cryo-war.&quot;

Within just a fraction of that time, however, the military will probably have perfected proxy war in its ultimate form - namely robot war. Swarms of ultra-sophisticated drones will do the actual fighting, while the military stays at home hacking into the enemy&#039;s computer systems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The crude trend line projects 30,000 US military deaths over the course of a 200 year hyper-diffuse cryo-war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Within just a fraction of that time, however, the military will probably have perfected proxy war in its ultimate form &#8211; namely robot war. Swarms of ultra-sophisticated drones will do the actual fighting, while the military stays at home hacking into the enemy&#8217;s computer systems.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9669</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 03:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To clarify, I was making a claim about the rationality of the &#039;great cause&#039; of the moment, not about its significance. Its irrationality is its significance. A whole bunch of crazed lefties really did seem to think that collapsing Afrikaaner rule in SA would solve all of Africa&#039;s problems at a stroke -- at least. Ditto the fetishization of Israel-Palestine in regards to the ME.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, I was making a claim about the rationality of the &#8216;great cause&#8217; of the moment, not about its significance. Its irrationality is its significance. A whole bunch of crazed lefties really did seem to think that collapsing Afrikaaner rule in SA would solve all of Africa&#8217;s problems at a stroke &#8212; at least. Ditto the fetishization of Israel-Palestine in regards to the ME.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9644</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Hmm.  I think I might have misread your point about South Africa -- in which case, apologies.  To clarify, the insistence of many powerful voices should undoubtedly put one on guard against uncritically aligning oneself with them ... but it does suggest there is an issue of real importance there.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hmm.  I think I might have misread your point about South Africa &#8212; in which case, apologies.  To clarify, the insistence of many powerful voices should undoubtedly put one on guard against uncritically aligning oneself with them &#8230; but it does suggest there is an issue of real importance there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9640</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jews are an object of mesmerised fascination in part because their impact on history has been so out of proportion to their numbers, no?  In that sense, if in no other, one Israeli might be worth 30 Pakistanis.

As for South Africa, I do remember when all right-thinking white folk, especially the young, were expected to desire the Afro-Marxist triumph with passionate intensity.  Considered as a stage along the &lt;i&gt;Via Dolorosa&lt;/i&gt; of cultural self-abasement, that maybe wasn&#039;t so &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.andrewcusack.com/2009/02/01/some-afrikaners/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;insignificant&lt;/A&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jews are an object of mesmerised fascination in part because their impact on history has been so out of proportion to their numbers, no?  In that sense, if in no other, one Israeli might be worth 30 Pakistanis.</p>
<p>As for South Africa, I do remember when all right-thinking white folk, especially the young, were expected to desire the Afro-Marxist triumph with passionate intensity.  Considered as a stage along the <i>Via Dolorosa</i> of cultural self-abasement, that maybe wasn&#8217;t so <a HREF="http://www.andrewcusack.com/2009/02/01/some-afrikaners/" rel="nofollow">insignificant</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9633</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;The next year a three-man delegation was sent to inspect the plateau. Its high elevation gave it a temperate climate, making it suitable for European settlement. However, the observers found a dangerous land filled with lions and other creatures. Moreover, although it was sparsely populated by small bands of Maasai (themselves having recently conquered the Sirikwa tribe), the Maasai were hostile to other tribes and outsiders.&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Uganda_Programme&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The next year a three-man delegation was sent to inspect the plateau. Its high elevation gave it a temperate climate, making it suitable for European settlement. However, the observers found a dangerous land filled with lions and other creatures. Moreover, although it was sparsely populated by small bands of Maasai (themselves having recently conquered the Sirikwa tribe), the Maasai were hostile to other tribes and outsiders.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Uganda_Programme" rel="nofollow">If&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9631</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also note that Hitler&#039;s rise to power was critically dependent on hysterical fear of communism. As Germany&#039;s leading socialist, he benefited from fear of communism via both both farmers (who feared similar collectivization to what they were seeing in the Ukraine) and industrialist leaders. Had there not been this fear of communism it is unlikely he would have been appointed chancellor and even if he had been the Reichstag fire would not have been as effective at galvanizing the populous behind him. Moreover Hitler&#039;s negotiations with Stalin would have taken on a very different character and the invasion of Poland, a very marginally supported move by Hitler, probably would not have taken place.

A rational route to land reform could have come into play at any of these stages to substantially defuse the situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also note that Hitler&#8217;s rise to power was critically dependent on hysterical fear of communism. As Germany&#8217;s leading socialist, he benefited from fear of communism via both both farmers (who feared similar collectivization to what they were seeing in the Ukraine) and industrialist leaders. Had there not been this fear of communism it is unlikely he would have been appointed chancellor and even if he had been the Reichstag fire would not have been as effective at galvanizing the populous behind him. Moreover Hitler&#8217;s negotiations with Stalin would have taken on a very different character and the invasion of Poland, a very marginally supported move by Hitler, probably would not have taken place.</p>
<p>A rational route to land reform could have come into play at any of these stages to substantially defuse the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9630</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>test</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would anything in China set the stage for collectivization in Ukraine? Talk about a non-sequitur&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t say it necessarily happened in China. 

As for the connection between collectivization in Ukraine and China, I think you underestimate the degree of involvement of the Western literati in providing international support for Stalin&#039;s collectivization. Collectivization was an intellectual fad among them and this gave Stalin a lot of slack with which to do his dirty work. Stalin found it necessary to make statements justifying his actions to ideologues and The New York Times (see http://web.archive.org/web/20051106213446/http://ukrweekly.com/Archive/1983/378320.shtml) clearly played a role in supporting these apologetics. 

Moreover, in &lt;i&gt;&quot;The politics of American Jews.&quot; In M. Sklare (Ed.). The Jews: Social patterns of an American group.&lt;/i&gt; Glencoe, IL: Free Press, Werner Cohn states (pg. 621):

&lt;blockquote&gt;By 1886 the Jewish community in New York had become conspicuous for its support of the third-party (United Labor) candidacy of Henry George, the theoretician of the Single Tax. From then Jewish districts in New York and elsewhere were famous for their radical voting habits. The Lower East Side repeatedly picked as its congressman Meyer London, the only New York Socialist ever to be elected to Congress. And many Socialists went to the State Assembly in Albany from Jewish districts. In the 1917 mayoralty campaign in New York City, the Socialist and anti-war candidacy of Morris Hillquit was supported by the most authoritative voices of the Jewish Lower East Side: The United Hebrew Trades, the International Ladies&#039; Garment Workers&#039; Union, and most importantly, the very popular Yiddish Daily Forward. This was the period in which extreme radicals like Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman were giants in the Jewish community, and when almost all the Jewish giants among them Abraham Cahan, Morris Hillquit, and the young Morris R. Cohen were radicals. Even Samuel Gompers, when speaking before Jewish audiences, felt it necessary to use radical phrases.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This hotbed of radicalism was the reason Leon Trotsky made his pilgrimage there prior to departing to hijack the Bolshevik revolution. It is also why NYC financier Jacob Schiff was a major if not the major financial supporter of revolution in Russia. This activist core was crucial to maintaining a political blackout on Stalin&#039;s famine. If there had been an actual implementation of George&#039;s ideas in China -- which was a contemporaneous hotspot of radical foment upon which the eyes of the literati were fixed, it would have significantly weakened the unity of this activist core and put pressure on Stalin to pursue a less extreme path to land reform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why would anything in China set the stage for collectivization in Ukraine? Talk about a non-sequitur</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say it necessarily happened in China. </p>
<p>As for the connection between collectivization in Ukraine and China, I think you underestimate the degree of involvement of the Western literati in providing international support for Stalin&#8217;s collectivization. Collectivization was an intellectual fad among them and this gave Stalin a lot of slack with which to do his dirty work. Stalin found it necessary to make statements justifying his actions to ideologues and The New York Times (see <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20051106213446/http://ukrweekly.com/Archive/1983/378320.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20051106213446/http://ukrweekly.com/Archive/1983/378320.shtml</a>) clearly played a role in supporting these apologetics. </p>
<p>Moreover, in <i>&#8220;The politics of American Jews.&#8221; In M. Sklare (Ed.). The Jews: Social patterns of an American group.</i> Glencoe, IL: Free Press, Werner Cohn states (pg. 621):</p>
<blockquote><p>By 1886 the Jewish community in New York had become conspicuous for its support of the third-party (United Labor) candidacy of Henry George, the theoretician of the Single Tax. From then Jewish districts in New York and elsewhere were famous for their radical voting habits. The Lower East Side repeatedly picked as its congressman Meyer London, the only New York Socialist ever to be elected to Congress. And many Socialists went to the State Assembly in Albany from Jewish districts. In the 1917 mayoralty campaign in New York City, the Socialist and anti-war candidacy of Morris Hillquit was supported by the most authoritative voices of the Jewish Lower East Side: The United Hebrew Trades, the International Ladies&#8217; Garment Workers&#8217; Union, and most importantly, the very popular Yiddish Daily Forward. This was the period in which extreme radicals like Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman were giants in the Jewish community, and when almost all the Jewish giants among them Abraham Cahan, Morris Hillquit, and the young Morris R. Cohen were radicals. Even Samuel Gompers, when speaking before Jewish audiences, felt it necessary to use radical phrases.</p></blockquote>
<p>This hotbed of radicalism was the reason Leon Trotsky made his pilgrimage there prior to departing to hijack the Bolshevik revolution. It is also why NYC financier Jacob Schiff was a major if not the major financial supporter of revolution in Russia. This activist core was crucial to maintaining a political blackout on Stalin&#8217;s famine. If there had been an actual implementation of George&#8217;s ideas in China &#8212; which was a contemporaneous hotspot of radical foment upon which the eyes of the literati were fixed, it would have significantly weakened the unity of this activist core and put pressure on Stalin to pursue a less extreme path to land reform.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-part-4/#comment-9625</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes -- &quot;Look, a zionist squirrel!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8212; &#8220;Look, a zionist squirrel!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Baduin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Israel in MIddle Eastern context is a PR and minor mercenary company hired by Saudi Arabia, and the least important part of the Axis of Good: Saudi Arabia, US, Al Qaida, Israel.

It is used by all actors as a substitiution topic. Ahmadinejad loved to do it, why not Obama and Kerry? If Israel and Palestine were transferred to Mars, it would make no difference to MIddle Easter politics - provided the TV continued its reports as usual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel in MIddle Eastern context is a PR and minor mercenary company hired by Saudi Arabia, and the least important part of the Axis of Good: Saudi Arabia, US, Al Qaida, Israel.</p>
<p>It is used by all actors as a substitiution topic. Ahmadinejad loved to do it, why not Obama and Kerry? If Israel and Palestine were transferred to Mars, it would make no difference to MIddle Easter politics &#8211; provided the TV continued its reports as usual.</p>
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