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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-litmus-test/#comment-27587</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WRT America,

HBD.  It&#039;s too soon to tell.  

Do not ignore we are looking at horribly skewed results.   A social experiment was tried to subsidize case poverty at the bottom giving us more crime and pathology, promotion without merit into government at the top, and that feeding the violent radicals as chic policy destroyed the middle class.  Which was recognized as wrong &lt;i&gt; too late &lt;/i&gt;.    

I would not want to make terrible decisions based on such skewed results.    

Moreover one should always make way for the man of good will and good behavior.

Finally if you wanna bust innocent heads because of hue count me out, I&#039;m not alone.  Nor will  people I love be touched.   There are many me&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT America,</p>
<p>HBD.  It&#8217;s too soon to tell.  </p>
<p>Do not ignore we are looking at horribly skewed results.   A social experiment was tried to subsidize case poverty at the bottom giving us more crime and pathology, promotion without merit into government at the top, and that feeding the violent radicals as chic policy destroyed the middle class.  Which was recognized as wrong <i> too late </i>.    </p>
<p>I would not want to make terrible decisions based on such skewed results.    </p>
<p>Moreover one should always make way for the man of good will and good behavior.</p>
<p>Finally if you wanna bust innocent heads because of hue count me out, I&#8217;m not alone.  Nor will  people I love be touched.   There are many me&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-litmus-test/#comment-27570</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russia doesn&#039;t take TFR stats by ethnic group. Lotsa Muslims in Russia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia doesn&#8217;t take TFR stats by ethnic group. Lotsa Muslims in Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Konkvistador</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-litmus-test/#comment-27567</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong. The lowest TFRs are East Asian, and if I recall correctly recently Russian fertility beat White American fertility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong. The lowest TFRs are East Asian, and if I recall correctly recently Russian fertility beat White American fertility.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lowest low TFRs.  These societies are sick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lowest low TFRs.  These societies are sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Konkvistador</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-litmus-test/#comment-27524</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you argue for absolutist ethno-nationalism, this is a political non-starter, and even the idea of it will so poison the discussion that any political movement will be stillborn.&quot;

Actually it is quite viable in all of Eastern Europe, because it still is the reality on the ground, left by the foolish Wilsonianism of thee Versailles era, the mass ethnic cleansing first done by Germans and then done on the Germans by the Alies after WW2 and finally the ethnically based break up of countries like the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia in the 1990s. 

The non-dysfunctional minorities that remain are melting away. To give an example as a Slovenian I&#039;m well aware of the 150 000 ethnic Slovenians in Austria have in the past 50 years dissapeared into a mere 15 000, adopted into the good Austrian folk, bolstering its most traditionalist region that together with several other rural ones keeps decadent Vienna in check. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthia_%28state%29

This makes most of Eastern Europe ridiculously ethnically homogeneous from Finland to Croatia, from Poland to Hungary. The only notable exception are the few million gypsies who except in Romania and Bulgaria don&#039;t exceed single digits anywhere and are quite manageable without Cahtedral intervention. 

Ironically even Germany (still 92.3% German, let me remind you this is higher than under the Second Reich with its extensive Slavic minorities) is outside of the Great cities quite homogeneous. Without multiculturalism, the local Turks (who aren&#039;t the whitest Turks around but aren&#039;t that horrible either) would soon enough melt away, if the regime was willing to make taking Islam seriously a bit uncomfortable.  

There is a vast amount of useful social left capital in Central Europe and even the post-Soviet wasteland is showing under Putin-like leadership to be remarkably open to projects that undo Bolshevik damage (look at his sucess in raising birthrates) that if only cut free from its post-WW2 Foggy bottom brainwashing and perhaps tethered to Moscow rather than Brussels could easily create a new golden age for the continent. Enjoy your Estonian IT, German manufacturing, cheap Russian Energy under a Tsar or a Kaiser ruling over the ethnically homogeneous millets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_%28Ottoman_Empire%29). Don&#039;t forget to dig up the old Soviet walls and set a few extra landmines to make sure the barbarians of Third World countries of 2040 such as Sweden don&#039;t hop over and ruin your garden of nations either through Islamic/Liberal holy war or simple mass escape from the fucked up societies they will create.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you argue for absolutist ethno-nationalism, this is a political non-starter, and even the idea of it will so poison the discussion that any political movement will be stillborn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually it is quite viable in all of Eastern Europe, because it still is the reality on the ground, left by the foolish Wilsonianism of thee Versailles era, the mass ethnic cleansing first done by Germans and then done on the Germans by the Alies after WW2 and finally the ethnically based break up of countries like the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia in the 1990s. </p>
<p>The non-dysfunctional minorities that remain are melting away. To give an example as a Slovenian I&#8217;m well aware of the 150 000 ethnic Slovenians in Austria have in the past 50 years dissapeared into a mere 15 000, adopted into the good Austrian folk, bolstering its most traditionalist region that together with several other rural ones keeps decadent Vienna in check. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthia_%28state%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthia_%28state%29</a></p>
<p>This makes most of Eastern Europe ridiculously ethnically homogeneous from Finland to Croatia, from Poland to Hungary. The only notable exception are the few million gypsies who except in Romania and Bulgaria don&#8217;t exceed single digits anywhere and are quite manageable without Cahtedral intervention. </p>
<p>Ironically even Germany (still 92.3% German, let me remind you this is higher than under the Second Reich with its extensive Slavic minorities) is outside of the Great cities quite homogeneous. Without multiculturalism, the local Turks (who aren&#8217;t the whitest Turks around but aren&#8217;t that horrible either) would soon enough melt away, if the regime was willing to make taking Islam seriously a bit uncomfortable.  </p>
<p>There is a vast amount of useful social left capital in Central Europe and even the post-Soviet wasteland is showing under Putin-like leadership to be remarkably open to projects that undo Bolshevik damage (look at his sucess in raising birthrates) that if only cut free from its post-WW2 Foggy bottom brainwashing and perhaps tethered to Moscow rather than Brussels could easily create a new golden age for the continent. Enjoy your Estonian IT, German manufacturing, cheap Russian Energy under a Tsar or a Kaiser ruling over the ethnically homogeneous millets (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_%28Ottoman_Empire%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_%28Ottoman_Empire%29</a>). Don&#8217;t forget to dig up the old Soviet walls and set a few extra landmines to make sure the barbarians of Third World countries of 2040 such as Sweden don&#8217;t hop over and ruin your garden of nations either through Islamic/Liberal holy war or simple mass escape from the fucked up societies they will create.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As you well know, it&#039;s impossible to immunize yourself against the &quot;charge of raciss&quot;, and not worth trying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you well know, it&#8217;s impossible to immunize yourself against the &#8220;charge of raciss&#8221;, and not worth trying.</p>
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		<title>By: white</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard that if you say fifty Thomas Sowells and ask for Booker&#039;s forgiveness, you can immunise yourself against the charge of raciss. Is that true?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that if you say fifty Thomas Sowells and ask for Booker&#8217;s forgiveness, you can immunise yourself against the charge of raciss. Is that true?</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 02:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ sharlach,

Hear Hear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ sharlach,</p>
<p>Hear Hear.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 02:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed. And though I have an aversion to on the spot tests, I would add: if self-cultivation is one of its central tenets, I struggle to see how neoreaction can fail to support Sowell. Related link to revisit: &lt;a href=&quot;http://foseti.wordpress.com/2012/12/27/review-of-bitter-harvest-by-ian-smith/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Foseti&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; on Ian Smith, and particularly the comment singled out by admin long ago:

&lt;I&gt;I’ve been thinking about writing something about the difference between some reactionaries who believe a multi-racial society is possible if we stop pretending that everyone is the same (and make other adjustments, see Singapore or Rhodesia or other historical societies) and white nationalists. I’m in the former camp.&lt;/I&gt;

As for Du Bois (or his inheritors (- I&#039;m ill informed)), well even the UK Tory party think he&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24351371&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;racist&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. And though I have an aversion to on the spot tests, I would add: if self-cultivation is one of its central tenets, I struggle to see how neoreaction can fail to support Sowell. Related link to revisit: <a href="http://foseti.wordpress.com/2012/12/27/review-of-bitter-harvest-by-ian-smith/" rel="nofollow">Foseti&#8217;s post</a> on Ian Smith, and particularly the comment singled out by admin long ago:</p>
<p><i>I’ve been thinking about writing something about the difference between some reactionaries who believe a multi-racial society is possible if we stop pretending that everyone is the same (and make other adjustments, see Singapore or Rhodesia or other historical societies) and white nationalists. I’m in the former camp.</i></p>
<p>As for Du Bois (or his inheritors (- I&#8217;m ill informed)), well even the UK Tory party think he&#8217;s <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24351371" rel="nofollow">racist</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Scharlach</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 01:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this. I&#039;ve had the pleasure of meeting several right-wing, very intelligent blacks this year, and I can&#039;t help thinking that a) I want them on our side, and b) our side might drive them away.

As you say in your comment, admin, if Sowell and Booker T. controlled the discourse about black America, or even had a more powerful voice in that discourse, America&#039;s racial situation would be much improved. Would they solve all the problems with black America? No. But what of that? Even a white ethno-state in north Europe ruled by Gandalf the Grey couldn&#039;t keep the entire white underclass in check. 

I think we&#039;re often pushed to extreme tactlessness about HBD and race by the Left&#039;s extreme idiocy about HBD and race. I think it would benefit us to try to take the high road on these matters. I honestly believe that if there are enough transgender otherkin in the world to make transgender otherkin rights a thing . . . there have to be enough right-wing, race realist blacks in the world to make it worth our while to talk about race in a way that won&#039;t have them confusing us with Stormfront.

Even if Sowell is as right as you&#039;ll find a black Westerner,  which isn&#039;t as right as us, so be it. To reject him because of that is to play &quot;more reactionary than thou.&quot; 

And yes, ultimately, @spandrell is right. Reality is a harsh mistress, and our expectations should be set by her. But going from a &quot;talented tenth&quot; to a &quot;talented twentieth&quot; is still worth the effort, especially if most of them are like Sowell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this. I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of meeting several right-wing, very intelligent blacks this year, and I can&#8217;t help thinking that a) I want them on our side, and b) our side might drive them away.</p>
<p>As you say in your comment, admin, if Sowell and Booker T. controlled the discourse about black America, or even had a more powerful voice in that discourse, America&#8217;s racial situation would be much improved. Would they solve all the problems with black America? No. But what of that? Even a white ethno-state in north Europe ruled by Gandalf the Grey couldn&#8217;t keep the entire white underclass in check. </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re often pushed to extreme tactlessness about HBD and race by the Left&#8217;s extreme idiocy about HBD and race. I think it would benefit us to try to take the high road on these matters. I honestly believe that if there are enough transgender otherkin in the world to make transgender otherkin rights a thing . . . there have to be enough right-wing, race realist blacks in the world to make it worth our while to talk about race in a way that won&#8217;t have them confusing us with Stormfront.</p>
<p>Even if Sowell is as right as you&#8217;ll find a black Westerner,  which isn&#8217;t as right as us, so be it. To reject him because of that is to play &#8220;more reactionary than thou.&#8221; </p>
<p>And yes, ultimately, @spandrell is right. Reality is a harsh mistress, and our expectations should be set by her. But going from a &#8220;talented tenth&#8221; to a &#8220;talented twentieth&#8221; is still worth the effort, especially if most of them are like Sowell.</p>
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