<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Problem of Democracy</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/</link>
	<description>Involvements with reality</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:56:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: The Problem of Democracy &#124; The Libertarian Alliance</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-105470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Problem of Democracy &#124; The Libertarian Alliance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 15:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-105470</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Nick Lands http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/  The Problem of [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Nick Lands <a href="http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/</a>  The Problem of [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: The Problem of Democracy &#124; The Libertarian Alliance: BLOG</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-93550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Problem of Democracy &#124; The Libertarian Alliance: BLOG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 19:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-93550</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Nick Lands http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/  The Problem of [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Nick Lands <a href="http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/</a>  The Problem of [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92668</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[@Blogospheroid:  My understanding of the Clarke tax was that you don&#039;t pay anything unless your bid makes the difference between winning and losing (i.e. your bid was greater than the difference between the &quot;yea&quot; and &quot;nay&quot; votes)  so you *do* have an incentive to bid honestly.  The way to game the thing is to coordinate a large group of people to overbid.  If the referendum wins by a landslide, then no one voter&#039;s bid is large enough to tip the election, and so none of the conspirators have to pay.

@Lesser Bull:  Whether this would be as effective as limited franchise, I don&#039;t know.  But it seems less hopeless in terms of political feasibility.  If my fairy godmother will give me two wishes, why not both?

@Alrenous:  I saw the Moldbug-Hanson futarchy debate video, but I didn&#039;t understand it very well, especially when David Friedman chimed in.  There are definitely conditions under which it can be gamed, but I don&#039;t understand what those conditions are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blogospheroid:  My understanding of the Clarke tax was that you don&#8217;t pay anything unless your bid makes the difference between winning and losing (i.e. your bid was greater than the difference between the &#8220;yea&#8221; and &#8220;nay&#8221; votes)  so you *do* have an incentive to bid honestly.  The way to game the thing is to coordinate a large group of people to overbid.  If the referendum wins by a landslide, then no one voter&#8217;s bid is large enough to tip the election, and so none of the conspirators have to pay.</p>
<p>@Lesser Bull:  Whether this would be as effective as limited franchise, I don&#8217;t know.  But it seems less hopeless in terms of political feasibility.  If my fairy godmother will give me two wishes, why not both?</p>
<p>@Alrenous:  I saw the Moldbug-Hanson futarchy debate video, but I didn&#8217;t understand it very well, especially when David Friedman chimed in.  There are definitely conditions under which it can be gamed, but I don&#8217;t understand what those conditions are.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92634</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Nonsense like young earth creationism is a go-to bit of nonsense, but it pales in comparison to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_millenium_development_goals&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some other &lt;em&gt;sola scriptura&lt;/em&gt; nonsense&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense like young earth creationism is a go-to bit of nonsense, but it pales in comparison to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_millenium_development_goals" rel="nofollow">some other <em>sola scriptura</em> nonsense</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alrenous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92599</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, finding a cool dynasty is pretty okay.
However, to put them in charge means you are already in charge. The power of succession implies every other power. It&#039;s strict neocameralism.

Tangent: this is why I make a big deal of how science journal editors are chosen. The journal editors can directly choose who gets published. Bureaucrats follow science, by which they mean prestigious papers. Whoever can choose the next editor of &lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt;, especially if they have fire as well as hire, directly chooses what policies future bureaucrats write into law. 

Aside: note how effectively the byzantine power structure obscures responsibility, without much attenuating the ability to direct. The main disadvantage is the slowness of the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, finding a cool dynasty is pretty okay.<br />
However, to put them in charge means you are already in charge. The power of succession implies every other power. It&#8217;s strict neocameralism.</p>
<p>Tangent: this is why I make a big deal of how science journal editors are chosen. The journal editors can directly choose who gets published. Bureaucrats follow science, by which they mean prestigious papers. Whoever can choose the next editor of <i>Nature</i>, especially if they have fire as well as hire, directly chooses what policies future bureaucrats write into law. </p>
<p>Aside: note how effectively the byzantine power structure obscures responsibility, without much attenuating the ability to direct. The main disadvantage is the slowness of the process.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92485</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Potemkin democracy is not a bad answer, but it subverts Admin&#039;s argument that democracy itself is a bad form of feedback.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potemkin democracy is not a bad answer, but it subverts Admin&#8217;s argument that democracy itself is a bad form of feedback.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92484</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the simplest solution is to leave the form of feedback the way it is and just pay some attention to who is giving the feedback.  Wouldn&#039;t a simple poll test or poll tax or property qualification improve it more than a radical new voting system?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the simplest solution is to leave the form of feedback the way it is and just pay some attention to who is giving the feedback.  Wouldn&#8217;t a simple poll test or poll tax or property qualification improve it more than a radical new voting system?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Blogospheroid</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blogospheroid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92392</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Problem with clarke tax was under bidding on public goods. 10 people desire a public good whose cost is $15. Everyone, even if they secretly valued it at above $1.5, do not have any incentive to actually put up those numbers on their chits, as they end up paying more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem with clarke tax was under bidding on public goods. 10 people desire a public good whose cost is $15. Everyone, even if they secretly valued it at above $1.5, do not have any incentive to actually put up those numbers on their chits, as they end up paying more.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Was Enlightened</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Was Enlightened]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92290</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A number of political scientists have electoral models in which the state of the economy is practically the only relevant variable. Which means feedback, no?&quot;

Since elected officials have little influence over the permanent bureaucracy, not really.

One point which I have not seen made before:  It is in the Outer Party&#039;s interest for government to be run badly; it is in the Outer Party&#039;s interest for government to be run by an arrogant elite.  Because then the Outer Party can point to the failures and the left-wing craziness and say &quot;See!  This is why you should vote for us!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A number of political scientists have electoral models in which the state of the economy is practically the only relevant variable. Which means feedback, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since elected officials have little influence over the permanent bureaucracy, not really.</p>
<p>One point which I have not seen made before:  It is in the Outer Party&#8217;s interest for government to be run badly; it is in the Outer Party&#8217;s interest for government to be run by an arrogant elite.  Because then the Outer Party can point to the failures and the left-wing craziness and say &#8220;See!  This is why you should vote for us!&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-problem-of-democracy/#comment-92024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alrenous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2014 17:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=3275#comment-92024</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how Hanson thinks futarchy will get around whatever can game a Clark tax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how Hanson thinks futarchy will get around whatever can game a Clark tax.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
