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		<title>By: Inane Rambler</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-saudi-bomb/#comment-28262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inane Rambler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 04:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to manipulate your state&#039;s title better here&#039;s a good chart I found in an unrelated topic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Updated_NS_Graph.png/663px-Updated_NS_Graph.png]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to manipulate your state&#8217;s title better here&#8217;s a good chart I found in an unrelated topic.</p>
<p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Updated_NS_Graph.png/663px-Updated_NS_Graph.png" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Updated_NS_Graph.png/663px-Updated_NS_Graph.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-saudi-bomb/#comment-27974</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harsh but sound.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harsh but sound.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-saudi-bomb/#comment-27973</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pakistan is a junction box, plugging two geostrategic nightmare regions together. (Pakistani demographic projections are almost as surreal as Nigeria&#039;s.)

Russia dominating Europe and Asia? There aren&#039;t enough Russians for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan is a junction box, plugging two geostrategic nightmare regions together. (Pakistani demographic projections are almost as surreal as Nigeria&#8217;s.)</p>
<p>Russia dominating Europe and Asia? There aren&#8217;t enough Russians for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Orthodox</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-saudi-bomb/#comment-27970</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russia would dominate Europe and Asia.  China and Europe would have to buy Russian oil and Russian grain, but high transportation costs would kill their exports to the U.S.  

The big issue to worry about besides oil is India/Pakistan. That&#039;s the fault-line that will blow up the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia would dominate Europe and Asia.  China and Europe would have to buy Russian oil and Russian grain, but high transportation costs would kill their exports to the U.S.  </p>
<p>The big issue to worry about besides oil is India/Pakistan. That&#8217;s the fault-line that will blow up the world.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-saudi-bomb/#comment-27957</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So China reacts, and you&#039;ve got your world war right there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So China reacts, and you&#8217;ve got your world war right there.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-saudi-bomb/#comment-27956</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most Middle East oil goes to Asia, so if the flow stops, is China who gets screwed. 

Have you seen the Chinese panic about Iran&#039;s bomb? That should tell you something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Middle East oil goes to Asia, so if the flow stops, is China who gets screwed. </p>
<p>Have you seen the Chinese panic about Iran&#8217;s bomb? That should tell you something.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think major countries could carry on with domestic business as usual (or even better, as unusual) with a nuclear war going on in the global gas station? I&#039;m not seeing it.

If the Saudis sought to take delivery, and the US made some serious effort to stop them, things would get interesting fast. The alternative, of course, if not quite raw Armageddon, is at least a Sushi fore-taste. 

Whilst very hazy about what is going on here, it looks to me like Saudi public diplomacy, more than a straightforward military initiative. The message is: Unless you stop Iran, you get nuclear proliferation into the Arab world. (If it comes to a game of bluff between the Obama administration and the Kingdom, I have no doubt at all who folds first.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think major countries could carry on with domestic business as usual (or even better, as unusual) with a nuclear war going on in the global gas station? I&#8217;m not seeing it.</p>
<p>If the Saudis sought to take delivery, and the US made some serious effort to stop them, things would get interesting fast. The alternative, of course, if not quite raw Armageddon, is at least a Sushi fore-taste. </p>
<p>Whilst very hazy about what is going on here, it looks to me like Saudi public diplomacy, more than a straightforward military initiative. The message is: Unless you stop Iran, you get nuclear proliferation into the Arab world. (If it comes to a game of bluff between the Obama administration and the Kingdom, I have no doubt at all who folds first.)</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saudi Arabia and Iran can nuke each other into the Stone Age for all I care. I don&#039;t see how that side-lines everything I care about.

I do wonder if Pakistan would deliver the bombs. The Saudis have already paid, they don&#039;t have much of a hand in enforcing delivery, and there&#039;s many incentives for USG and other agents to persuade Pakistan not to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saudi Arabia and Iran can nuke each other into the Stone Age for all I care. I don&#8217;t see how that side-lines everything I care about.</p>
<p>I do wonder if Pakistan would deliver the bombs. The Saudis have already paid, they don&#8217;t have much of a hand in enforcing delivery, and there&#8217;s many incentives for USG and other agents to persuade Pakistan not to.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-saudi-bomb/#comment-27901</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Thread - Obama seems to be making  a deal with Iran, dumping Saudi and Israel.

Which is on balance wise.

The Cathedral will do Israel in like Rhodesia if it can.   They&#039;re better off without us.

Israel can take care of itself better.

The Kingdom of KSA should only be the object of our malice if we address it at all.  We should.  But that should be our only policy.   KSA is of course quite the personal revenue stream for Cathedral appratchiks.   

Saudi has the same potential for the bomb it&#039;s had for years.  

We have boundless energy under our very feet in America.  We don&#039;t need these congenital thieves and tricksters.  GOOD RIDDANCE.   

The International security system is Cathedral Core.  Good Riddance. 

The petrodollar is core to the Cathedral system of Finance.

The policy of their Finance system as regards Americans is debt slavery.  It&#039;s the Irish rack rent system with debt as the potato.   Many levels of pyramid debt with minimum payments being dependent on the Irish produce.  When it was blighted genocide happened.   We Americans are now the Irish.  The time to disrupt and destroy this system of debt serfdom is now before we&#039;re all living on scraps and the food dole [TANF, SNAP, EBT].   Since they just proved 5 years ago that in a crunch they&#039;ll employ the crisis to lock finance and anything else they can into statist control, with the American serfs getting no debt relief but more food stamps, we are being sucked into a vortex of debt slavery with food scraps thrown our way.  

If it comes to a choice between their precious portfolios vanishing or the people being crushed under debt, for the Cathedral it&#039;s WIN/WIN, for Americans it&#039;s LOSE/STARVE. 

Let the petrodollar be crushed.   Mushroom clouds over Saudi and Iran are a bonus - for  Americans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Thread &#8211; Obama seems to be making  a deal with Iran, dumping Saudi and Israel.</p>
<p>Which is on balance wise.</p>
<p>The Cathedral will do Israel in like Rhodesia if it can.   They&#8217;re better off without us.</p>
<p>Israel can take care of itself better.</p>
<p>The Kingdom of KSA should only be the object of our malice if we address it at all.  We should.  But that should be our only policy.   KSA is of course quite the personal revenue stream for Cathedral appratchiks.   </p>
<p>Saudi has the same potential for the bomb it&#8217;s had for years.  </p>
<p>We have boundless energy under our very feet in America.  We don&#8217;t need these congenital thieves and tricksters.  GOOD RIDDANCE.   </p>
<p>The International security system is Cathedral Core.  Good Riddance. </p>
<p>The petrodollar is core to the Cathedral system of Finance.</p>
<p>The policy of their Finance system as regards Americans is debt slavery.  It&#8217;s the Irish rack rent system with debt as the potato.   Many levels of pyramid debt with minimum payments being dependent on the Irish produce.  When it was blighted genocide happened.   We Americans are now the Irish.  The time to disrupt and destroy this system of debt serfdom is now before we&#8217;re all living on scraps and the food dole [TANF, SNAP, EBT].   Since they just proved 5 years ago that in a crunch they&#8217;ll employ the crisis to lock finance and anything else they can into statist control, with the American serfs getting no debt relief but more food stamps, we are being sucked into a vortex of debt slavery with food scraps thrown our way.  </p>
<p>If it comes to a choice between their precious portfolios vanishing or the people being crushed under debt, for the Cathedral it&#8217;s WIN/WIN, for Americans it&#8217;s LOSE/STARVE. </p>
<p>Let the petrodollar be crushed.   Mushroom clouds over Saudi and Iran are a bonus &#8211; for  Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I avoided the issue on purpose. I don&#039;t have a good threat model. 

But forty years with no accident means the odds have to be pretty low...though a % per year is not an accurate model for this kind of risk. It&#039;s a multi-layer risk - the risk of accidentally going DEFCON 1 is dependent on the risk of getting to DEFCON 2 and on the odds of de-escalating down to DEFCON 3 before it can escalate again. Or something like that. 

The other thing is that you don&#039;t accidentally shoot a saturation barrage. Technically it can&#039;t have a zero percent chance...also, technically I don&#039;t have a zero percent chance of quantum tunneling into China. It&#039;s zero.

So how does Russia respond to the accidental launching of one of their missiles? How does America respond to the incoming barrage of one? How can I possibly know these things? Even  America doesn&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I avoided the issue on purpose. I don&#8217;t have a good threat model. </p>
<p>But forty years with no accident means the odds have to be pretty low&#8230;though a % per year is not an accurate model for this kind of risk. It&#8217;s a multi-layer risk &#8211; the risk of accidentally going DEFCON 1 is dependent on the risk of getting to DEFCON 2 and on the odds of de-escalating down to DEFCON 3 before it can escalate again. Or something like that. </p>
<p>The other thing is that you don&#8217;t accidentally shoot a saturation barrage. Technically it can&#8217;t have a zero percent chance&#8230;also, technically I don&#8217;t have a zero percent chance of quantum tunneling into China. It&#8217;s zero.</p>
<p>So how does Russia respond to the accidental launching of one of their missiles? How does America respond to the incoming barrage of one? How can I possibly know these things? Even  America doesn&#8217;t know.</p>
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