The Trike

RiverC has gone and done it this time …

Trike

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May 20, 2014admin 53 Comments »
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  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    It needs a caption. How about,
    “For every farce there is a reaction.”

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    Posted on May 20th, 2014 at 3:31 am Reply | Quote
  • Orthodox Says:

    Is that the Trinity? A W for White Power? A [Freudian vulgarity]?

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    admin Reply:

    You really don’t recognize a trichotomous knot when you see one?

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    E.Antony Gray (RiverC) Reply:

    The ambigram @heresiologist wanted ended up pretty good too:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoDa4IWCIAA2vlp.png:large

    (I think people tend to parse it better with the base)

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    admin Reply:

    I beat you to it … yes, it’s ominously delicious.

    aisaac Reply:

    The rx thing makes it look like a logo for a satanic pharmacy.

    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    I think Stirner was pretty explicit on that requirement 🙂

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  • J. Ont. Says:

    Designer here. That ambigram is really something (in a good, though somewhat occult way). Not sure what the top one is supposed to be. Also not sure why the designs appear warped. If you’re going for something curved, organic, expressive, etc., I’d recommend increasing the warp—at the moment it’s begging to be straightened out. The gradations are not doing anyone any favours.

    My advice: straighten the lines up, using a grid, and flatten as well, so that we’re dealing with at most two shades. Right now you have three layers, plus the gradation.

    On a more general note, why on Earth are we dwelling on this gothic silliness?

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Because it’s silly. Everyone needs to be reminded how silly they are at regular intervals.

    You think you’re right just because proggies are wrong? Ha! HA! Ridiculous! I’m literally laughing out loud! But at least you can have amusing gifs.

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    admin Reply:

    I endorse this message.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    You can reshape the knot however you like, but I’m going to dictate some design principles. The rest is up to good design (white space, balance, etc.) which you can do in extremis as is your pleasure.

    1. the knot is placed so there is a loop at the top.
    2. the top knot is shaped differently from the bottom two.
    3. the ‘x’ (central crossover) has the bottom-left to upper-right line on top
    4. the crossback above the x is truncated significantly
    5. the design, other that the internal asymmetries created by the knot-overs, is symmetrical.
    6. The very bottom and top of the design are narrower than the middle.
    7. An optional base can be added, it should be wider than the very bottom of the design.

    The rest is up to your chops at making a really snappy presentation for whatever purpose. This is not a ‘shrink wrap’ design. I can provide an svg of the original black-on-white version if you want to work with it.

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    admin Reply:

    As a matter of interest, is there a lucid principle directing #2? Why the avoidance of triangular symmetry?

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    I can think of two reasons (other than when I tried to make it identical it looked like other symbols)

    1. the top knot being shaped differently shows hierarchy; the knots are not identified, so as someone pointed out people can debate if they wish which ‘part’ of the synthesis is ‘the top’. The loops are not identical.

    2. generally speaking the principles of order dictate that forms which contain more local symmetries and less overall symmetries are stronger centers, provided other rules are not violated.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    All that’s left is to fight over which camp gets to be the middle knot.

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  • Imperfect Humanoid Says:

    Ok, I’ve tattooed The Trike on my forehead, I hope you guys can stick with it. (I already had to get the Black Sun removed from my cheek…)

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  • JPOutlook Says:

    Good… Now somebody use it!

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  • Stirner (@heresiologist) Says:

    RiverC is doing all of us a service playing with various designs. That being said:

    The gray shading effect has a very heavy metal vibe. IMHO, that is not the right fit for NRx

    The NRx ambigram is approaching the target zone. I am not sure whether it needs more ornamentation or less ornamentation, but it still needs something to really pop. If you really upped the ornamentation to nearly obscure the NRx letters, you could have a pleasing abstract design that could serve as a secret symbol for NRx.

    Finally, the best logo for NRx might be the lowly symbol for “Does Not Equal.” It is simple. It is expressive of NRx ideology. It can easily be written on a poster, or chalked on a wall. It also has a runic feel that conveys older and more occult forms of knowledge, without getting mired in Nazi iconography.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Would blending purple (royalty) and yellow (Christianity) get rid of the strong gray?

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    Max Reply:

    I have three of these in different colors and wear them to the gym: http://www.math-shirts.com/not-equal-t-shirt.php

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    nydwracu Reply:

    I tried to think of ways to stylize the ambigram, but I’ve never gotten used to doing graphic design in programs other than Flash (I know, I know…), which I haven’t actually had in years.

    The not-equals sign is already in use. I guess it could be tilted, like ǂ or ᚬ. Or, if we’re borrowing runes, also means not equal, so ᛃ could be used. And speaking of old Germanic writing systems,

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    nydwracu Reply:

    …it cut out the Unicode, what the hell

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    nydwracu Reply:

    Oh wait, I get it, Gothic is above U+9999, that’s why the futhark gets through but the Gothic doesn’t. That’s a common PHP bug and I’m not sure if it’s a thing that can be fixed.

    If there’s anything after the colon here, I’m wrong:

    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    for shorthand you may wish to use

    this is also an ‘unequals’ sign, usually equivalent to !=

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  • Nick B. Steves Says:

    The trike says (to me): Altar, Hearth, Unity. I love it. With or without the base. I admit the base looks clunky, but makes for better story telling.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    What if we convert the base into a (thinner) arc running over (or under) the trike?

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  • nyan_sandwich Says:

    http://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/not-equal-to-hi.png?w=315&h=258

    Heartiste already nailed this, IMO.

    Given some more polish, good colors, and some explanation, the trike could be the right kind of thing.

    The ambigram is cool, but not the right kind of thing.

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    nyan_sandwich Reply:

    The inequality neatly sums up a great deal of our ideas and tools: class analysis, HBD, gender roles, cultural non-relativism, capitalism, etc. It does so with a cold analytical vibe, which is also exactly right for us. Further, while being not at all related to the swastika, it noticeably exploits the same stylistic optimum with those bold black rectangular strokes and angles. See also Stirner’s comments further up.

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    Stirner (@heresiologist) Reply:

    Yes, perhaps save the Ambigram for the design on the promotional NRx truckers wallet!

    One issue with the trike is that any sort of semi-symmetrical “swirly” design is going to inevitably be taken by prog critics as a Swastika allusion.

    Golden Dawn uses a legit piece of iconography from deep Greek history, but their symbol is still labeled as a neo-nazi broken cross. The WN’s in South Africa have a 3 axis broken cross as well, and they’re not fooling anyone.

    Still, if the Triad is what NRx is going for, one traditional source of inspiration could be the fleur-de-lis. It is innocuous as it stands, is already used for symbolic purposes, and has historical ties to French/Euro monarchy and royalists.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    One point is that you can re-create a fleur-de-lis within the design parameters of the trike/knotted crown.

    I don’t have access to my design right now, but anyone wanting to give it a try can.

    Aaron Reply:

    Goods points, but I will be a devil’s advocate here. The inequality sign is just as likely to be taken as an inversion of the gay marriage movement. This will trigger a false recognition and an immune response. Whatever the current sad state of gay identity politics as system lackeys, all of that already resides within mainstream social conservatism.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    the ambigram was at the request of Stirner (@heresiologist) who wanted one. I think it turned out very well, and the idea of finding a single symbol that sums things up is a little unrealistic and perhaps more than a healthy amount autistic. AFAIK, even Christians didn’t use the cross in a unitive way for a few centuries (other symbols were common such as the fish, which served as a shibboleth during persecutions.)

    As for the ‘trike’ or ‘knotted crown’ – between the based and unbased ones, you will labor hard to find a better symbol for the synthesis.

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  • Izak Says:

    Awesome job RiverC!

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    Posted on May 20th, 2014 at 4:55 pm Reply | Quote
  • Dan Says:

    Primarily it should look good on a white background. Most web pages are white.

    I would think something really artistic and backward looking would be better, like an elaborate crown with lots of flourishes.

    Beauty, and culture and sophistication = the past

    Ugly, blocky, uniform, drab = the present

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    Imperfect Humanoid Reply:

    I liked the heavy duty feel of it, it reminds me of a thick chain, which may well be required to keep the trichotomy knotted. Also the metallic coldness of the design is rather formidable, you get the feeling you’d rather be marching underneath the banner than up against it. A little beauty might be good for popularity sakes, but The Trike is stern and not given to comprimise…

    Admittedly one does imagine that ‘post-conquest’ there may be something a little easier on the eye, especially if it’s going to adorn the Art Deco palaces of the Sovereign Corporation. But until then, the fewer visions of Ruritania the better.

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  • Rosenberg Says:

    Just spitballing here, but what about a Chi Rho, but with an R instead of a P?

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  • M. Anissimov Says:

    Looks like an upside-down Valknut to me.

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  • nyan_sandwich Says:

    Needs more Art Deco

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    nyan_sandwich Reply:

    My art-deco version:

    http://imgur.com/0BJqDAq

    Something like this, but better. One of you who actually knows your way around graphic design could improve it a lot, I’m sure.

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  • Puzzle Pirate (@PuzzlePirate) Says:

    I think you should use either a stylized fleur de lis or just use some kind of heraldry. Heraldry has of a lot of symbolism and looks royalist. Also neither of these things look remotely nazi.

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  • Alex Says:

    This would have been perfect (minus the ouroboros).

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    admin Reply:

    Without the ouroboros it would be totally static. No point in a Trike without dynamic tension (that’s mere flower arranging).

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    Alex Reply:

    Already spoken for.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    I like that (yes, without the ouroboros).

    What flags were flown by the Royalist side at, say, the Battle of Naseby? Is there something recognizable as a symbol of the English monarchy, that has fallen into disuse?

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    Alex Reply:

    Lovely stuff but perhaps lacking in the requisite ‘neo’.

    (Completely off-topic, but I can’t resist quoting this from Bryan Appleyard’s The Pleasures of Peace:

    “In a collection of essays published in 1959 the Roman Catholic poet and artist David Jones included a piece about the Victorian writer George Borrow, the author of The Romany Rye and Lavengro, who died in 1881. ‘Thus, this man’, wrote Jones, ‘who died fourteen years only before I who wrote this introduction was born, had, so he tells us, talked with a man who, long years before, had known a person who in infancy had been lifted on to a stile in order to have a look at some armoured horsemen moving in the direction of Naseby on a summer morning in 1645.'”)

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    zimriel Reply:

    Mr Taylor: How about the golden wyvern of Wessex? Technically, most of my ancestry happens to be Mercian, but we can all agree that William the Bastard was a Bad Thing.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    @Alex: I like the Royal Banner and the KING’S LIFEGUARD OF FOOTE flags, especially the Colonel’s Company.

    @Zimriel: This? It seems appropriate from the description.

    http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-wessx.html#white

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  • zimriel Says:

    “Ominously delicious” – yeah, because it looks like a burger chain logo for the colour-blind.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    Sorry, but these are horrible.

    No. Just no.

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    admin Reply:

    Not even the vaguest of tingles from your inner cybergoth?

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  • Rasputin Says:

    The Black Sun is a masterpiece, overflowing with potency.

    These are… Ugh!

    If NRx was an Emo wrestling federation then, maybe. Perhaps without the horrible lighting effect there might be something salvageable…but I doubt it.

    The only thing these are gig for is the sign outside a trailer park in Idaho.

    Vladimir would NOT approve.

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    admin Reply:

    I agree on the Black Sun, but its legacy of appropriation isn’t going to be quickly shaken off. It’s always going to be a Hail Hydra piece of ironized goth-fascism, at best, with a Wewelsberg pedigree.

    In any case, the NRx iconography topic isn’t crushing in its urgency — who knows what will show up?

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  • Rasputin Says:

    If you’re serious about going with the Trike over the Black Sun, then here’s my alternative:

    http://twinpossible.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Radio-Flyer-Pink-Folding-Trike.jpg

    I think it sums up some aspects of the current state of affairs quite well.

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