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		<title>By: survivingbabel</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-truth-is-kind-of-a-dark-thing/#comment-588</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would respond that &quot;mile wide but inch deep&quot; support is all the reaction really needs from the average person.  We aren&#039;t democracy, so we don&#039;t require deep commitment from our boots on the ground.  As long as the boots on the ground aren&#039;t actively revolting, their support is otherwise not required.  I&#039;d almost rather them not be in the LP, cause that implies a certain egoistic investment in the current system.

I would also suggest that some of the techies you describe who take the &quot;red pill&quot; over in that part of the Rightosphere will be more likely to look for ways to take the executive track without kowtowing to Progressive Orthodoxy.  Game works in meeting rooms and board rooms, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would respond that &#8220;mile wide but inch deep&#8221; support is all the reaction really needs from the average person.  We aren&#8217;t democracy, so we don&#8217;t require deep commitment from our boots on the ground.  As long as the boots on the ground aren&#8217;t actively revolting, their support is otherwise not required.  I&#8217;d almost rather them not be in the LP, cause that implies a certain egoistic investment in the current system.</p>
<p>I would also suggest that some of the techies you describe who take the &#8220;red pill&#8221; over in that part of the Rightosphere will be more likely to look for ways to take the executive track without kowtowing to Progressive Orthodoxy.  Game works in meeting rooms and board rooms, too.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Nick B. Steves
My quibble is just a scrap of degeneracy from the libertarian &#039;left&#039;, where the idea of a &lt;em&gt;Libertarian Party&lt;/em&gt; doesn&#039;t compute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nick B. Steves<br />
My quibble is just a scrap of degeneracy from the libertarian &#8216;left&#8217;, where the idea of a <em>Libertarian Party</em> doesn&#8217;t compute.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-truth-is-kind-of-a-dark-thing/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 01:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure what I want it to say either.  Engineers are quite opinionated about politics, but not especially political; nearly unanimous in decrying how screwed up things are, but unwilling to lend time, talent, or treasure to fixing them.  This I find in their favor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what I want it to say either.  Engineers are quite opinionated about politics, but not especially political; nearly unanimous in decrying how screwed up things are, but unwilling to lend time, talent, or treasure to fixing them.  This I find in their favor.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... only one was an actual libertarian party member.&quot;
-- I&#039;m not sure that datum is saying what you want it to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; only one was an actual libertarian party member.&#8221;<br />
&#8212; I&#8217;m not sure that datum is saying what you want it to.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/the-truth-is-kind-of-a-dark-thing/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Ironically he (or surprisingly often she) probably wasn’t that strong on the “technical side” anyway.&lt;/em&gt;

... the irony being that the people manager and executive tracked, i.e., the stupider, will make a lot more money than the &quot;technical&quot; experts.  So maybe they aren&#039;t stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Ironically he (or surprisingly often she) probably wasn’t that strong on the “technical side” anyway.</em></p>
<p>&#8230; the irony being that the people manager and executive tracked, i.e., the stupider, will make a lot more money than the &#8220;technical&#8221; experts.  So maybe they aren&#8217;t stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is absolutely true that you&#039;ll find no more skeptical audience to Cathedral Orthodoxy than in the lower rungs of hi-tech corporations.  This is largely libertarian in nature--the smart wishing the world would be governed for the benefit of smart people (that is to say lightly governed).

But there are two strikes (at least) against this impulse ever taking over any large hi-tech corporation:

1) the libertarian impulses are a mile wide but an inch deep; vague senses of self-interest are inherently noisy and do not add up coherently--certainly not enough to imply nascent political power vis-a-vis the Cathedralized sect.  I&#039;ve known scores of engineers with libertarian sympathies, only one was an actual libertarian party member.

2) with large corporations, there is a turd-tinged translucent ceiling for hi-skill/hi-tech employees... and in order to break through it you have to recite the various shibboleths and get on the management (aka., political) track.  Sure you could game the system, but it is hard for the skeptical engineer to maintain a straight face when reciting bullshit, meeting after bullshit meeting, year after bullshit year.  And he is pretty well compensated anyway, so most don&#039;t bother.  The true believer (in bullshit) is a much better candidate for executive &quot;leadership&quot;.  Ironically he (or surprisingly often she) probably wasn&#039;t that strong on the &quot;technical side&quot; anyway.

Of course, if the racial and sexual outcome-blind, libertarian, pure money making hi-tech corporate machine ever did come to exist... most of their customers would probably find a way to find fault and drive them out of business anyway.  (Like Rhodesia for LLCs.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absolutely true that you&#8217;ll find no more skeptical audience to Cathedral Orthodoxy than in the lower rungs of hi-tech corporations.  This is largely libertarian in nature&#8211;the smart wishing the world would be governed for the benefit of smart people (that is to say lightly governed).</p>
<p>But there are two strikes (at least) against this impulse ever taking over any large hi-tech corporation:</p>
<p>1) the libertarian impulses are a mile wide but an inch deep; vague senses of self-interest are inherently noisy and do not add up coherently&#8211;certainly not enough to imply nascent political power vis-a-vis the Cathedralized sect.  I&#8217;ve known scores of engineers with libertarian sympathies, only one was an actual libertarian party member.</p>
<p>2) with large corporations, there is a turd-tinged translucent ceiling for hi-skill/hi-tech employees&#8230; and in order to break through it you have to recite the various shibboleths and get on the management (aka., political) track.  Sure you could game the system, but it is hard for the skeptical engineer to maintain a straight face when reciting bullshit, meeting after bullshit meeting, year after bullshit year.  And he is pretty well compensated anyway, so most don&#8217;t bother.  The true believer (in bullshit) is a much better candidate for executive &#8220;leadership&#8221;.  Ironically he (or surprisingly often she) probably wasn&#8217;t that strong on the &#8220;technical side&#8221; anyway.</p>
<p>Of course, if the racial and sexual outcome-blind, libertarian, pure money making hi-tech corporate machine ever did come to exist&#8230; most of their customers would probably find a way to find fault and drive them out of business anyway.  (Like Rhodesia for LLCs.)</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole topic (Patchwork rules) is hugely important -- I think it exceeds the reasonable prospects of this comment thread. What makes it deliciously quaggy is that it has a regressive quality, familiar to the turtles-all-the-way-down puzzles familiar from cosmo-theology. Quandaries pushed up from the national state level (catallaxy, constitutionalism ...) get reproduced at the level of inter-state relations -- but I&#039;m assuming even the most ardent royalist is averse to the idea of a World King. One response is to suspect that difficulties are being exposed which are already latent in the monarchical &#039;solution&#039; lower down. A national monarchy only works because the patchwork absorbs and annuls its tyrannical potential, by holding open the machinery of Exit. Thus, the problem of binding power is displaced by any localized royalism, but it is not actually resolved, due to the unprocessed assumptions it must make about the enveloping (global) context. Switched around, we might ask: why wouldn&#039;t a solution that works at the Patchwork level -- i.e. some kind of dynamic pluralism -- be equally operable at the &#039;subordinate&#039; or national level? If a Patchwork can be operationalized, why do we need states (or local power monopolies)? In other words, does the Patchwork problem tend ultimately to anarcho-capitalist resolution?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole topic (Patchwork rules) is hugely important &#8212; I think it exceeds the reasonable prospects of this comment thread. What makes it deliciously quaggy is that it has a regressive quality, familiar to the turtles-all-the-way-down puzzles familiar from cosmo-theology. Quandaries pushed up from the national state level (catallaxy, constitutionalism &#8230;) get reproduced at the level of inter-state relations &#8212; but I&#8217;m assuming even the most ardent royalist is averse to the idea of a World King. One response is to suspect that difficulties are being exposed which are already latent in the monarchical &#8216;solution&#8217; lower down. A national monarchy only works because the patchwork absorbs and annuls its tyrannical potential, by holding open the machinery of Exit. Thus, the problem of binding power is displaced by any localized royalism, but it is not actually resolved, due to the unprocessed assumptions it must make about the enveloping (global) context. Switched around, we might ask: why wouldn&#8217;t a solution that works at the Patchwork level &#8212; i.e. some kind of dynamic pluralism &#8212; be equally operable at the &#8216;subordinate&#8217; or national level? If a Patchwork can be operationalized, why do we need states (or local power monopolies)? In other words, does the Patchwork problem tend ultimately to anarcho-capitalist resolution?</p>
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		<title>By: survivingbabel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@admin&lt;/strong&gt;

Patchwork rules, or reactionary foreign policy, are an absolute requirement for reaction to survive.  Our foreign policy model must be one of unquestioned mutual sovereignty (i.e. no meddling).  The UN asking member nations to ratify treaties on human rights, women&#039;s rights, etc. is the epitome of Cathedral idealist foreign policy, making the world safe for puppies, unicorns, and Social Justice.  However, in a sane world, the international organization would be utterly agnostic towards each member nation&#039;s internal policies.  A Reactionary UN would only act once member nations attacked each other, or perhaps if invited by the recognized sovereign.  The principle of &quot;nation as single actor&quot; applies here.  Reactionary UN would leave human rights campaigning to groups like Amnesty International.  Without any enforcement mechanism, the Cathedral UN is basically asking nations &quot;pretty please&quot; to respect human rights anyway.]]></description>
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<p>Patchwork rules, or reactionary foreign policy, are an absolute requirement for reaction to survive.  Our foreign policy model must be one of unquestioned mutual sovereignty (i.e. no meddling).  The UN asking member nations to ratify treaties on human rights, women&#8217;s rights, etc. is the epitome of Cathedral idealist foreign policy, making the world safe for puppies, unicorns, and Social Justice.  However, in a sane world, the international organization would be utterly agnostic towards each member nation&#8217;s internal policies.  A Reactionary UN would only act once member nations attacked each other, or perhaps if invited by the recognized sovereign.  The principle of &#8220;nation as single actor&#8221; applies here.  Reactionary UN would leave human rights campaigning to groups like Amnesty International.  Without any enforcement mechanism, the Cathedral UN is basically asking nations &#8220;pretty please&#8221; to respect human rights anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Handle&lt;/strong&gt;
The only solution to this is to be an X-ist, be proud of it, and confront and crush the anti-Xist.

It&#039;s the only thing with a track record of actually working.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Handle</strong><br />
The only solution to this is to be an X-ist, be proud of it, and confront and crush the anti-Xist.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the only thing with a track record of actually working.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 03:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;a swath of sheep’s blood painted across the door so that the Angel of Diversity passes over&quot; -- genius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a swath of sheep’s blood painted across the door so that the Angel of Diversity passes over&#8221; &#8212; genius.</p>
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