Trichotomocracy

By 2037 the harsh phases of The Upheaval have finally ended. Western Eurasia is ruined and confused, but the fighting has burnt out amongst the rubble. In the Far East, the Chinese Confucian Republic has largely succeeded in restoring order, and is even enjoying the first wave of renewed prosperity. The Islamic civil war continues, but — now almost entirely introverted — it is easily quarantined. No one wants to think too much about what is happening in Africa.

The territory of the extinct USA is firmly controlled by the Neoreactionary Coalition, whose purchase is strengthened by the flight of 20 million Cathedral Loyalists to Canada and Europe (incidentally toppling both into terminal chaos). The Provisional Trichotomous Council, selected primarily by a process of military promotion and delegation from within the major Neoreactionary  guerrilla groups, now confronts the task of establishing a restored political order.

It quickly becomes obvious to each of the three main Neoreactionary factions that future developments — even if these are to include an orderly subdivision of the nation — will initially depend upon the institution of a government that balances the three broad currents that now dominate the North American continent: Ethno-Nationalists (“Genies” or “Rockies”); Theonomists (“Logs” or “Sizzlers”); and Techno-Commercialists (“Cyboids” or “Pulpists”). Now that the Cathedral has been thoroughly extirpated, significant divergences between these three visions of the nation’s future threaten to escalate, unpredictably, into dangerous antagonisms.

Since practical realism, rooted in an understanding of path-dependency, is a common inheritance of all three factions, there is immediate consensus on the need to begin from where things are. Since a virtual triangular order of partially-compatible agendas is already reflected in the make-up of the Provisional Council, this is recognized as the template for an emergent, triadically-structured government — the rising Neoreactionary Trichotomocracy, or “Trike”. (A colossal statue of Spandrell — the revered white-beard of the Trichotomy — has already been erected in the comparatively radiation-free provisional capital of Omaha, gazing out Mosaically into the new promised land, a glinting ceremonial Samurai sword held triumphantly aloft.)

Within a few months, the basic formula for the Trichotomocracy has been tweaked into place. It consists of three Compartments, each comprehensively dominated by one of the principal factions. Procedures for selection of officials is internally determined by each Compartment, drawing upon the specific traditions of functional hierarchy honed during the Zombie War.

Authority is distributed among the Compartments in a triangular circuit. Each Compartment has a specific internal and external responsibility — its own positive governmental function, as well as an external (and strictly negative, or inhibitory) control of the next Compartment. This is colloquially known as the ‘Rocky-Sizzler-Pulpist’ system.

Ethno-Nationalist ‘Rockies’ run the Compartment of Security, which includes the essential functions of the Executive. It is controlled financially by the Compartment of Resources. Its external responsibility is the limitation of the Compartment of Law, whose statutes can be returned, and ultimately vetoed (but not positively amended), if they are found to be inconsistent with practical application. The structure of the Compartment of Security broadly coincides with the military chain of command. (The Rockies get to decide whether to describe the Commander-in -Chief as a constitutional monarch, a supreme warlord, or a demi-god of annihilation.)

Theonomist ‘Sizzlers’ run the Compartment of Law, which combines legislative and judicial functions. For funding purposes, the Compartment of Law is subordinated to the Compartment of Security, for obvious constitutional reasons. This keeps it small, restricting its potential for extravagant legislative activity. Since the Compartment of Security also filters legislation (in accordance with a practical criterion), the Law of the Trichotomocracy is remarkable for its clarity, economy, and concision. The entire edifice of Law, by informal understanding, is limited to a single volume of biblical proportions. Senior Sizzler officials are expected to memorize it. The external responsibility of the Compartment of Law is to restrain the Compartment of Resources, by strictly limiting the legality of revenue-raising measures (informally bounded to a national ‘tithe’). Internal order of the Compartment is determined by the ecclesiastical hierarchy of the Neoreactionary Church of the Cosmic Triarchitect.

Techno-Commercialist ‘Pulpists’ run the Compartment of Resources, with the ‘power of the purse’. As the sole ‘self-funding’ Compartment, it is minutely scrutinized by the Compartment of Law, which tightly controls its revenue-raising procedures. Dominated by a cabal of extreme laissez-faire capitalist and technologists, the Compartment of Resources is guided by the mantra economize on all things. It does as little as possible, beyond maximally-parsimonious funding of the Department of Security, with its own internal operations restricted to rigorously Pigovian tax-streamlining, statistical research, and the provision of X-Prize-style development incentives. The board of the Compartment is filled by the nine largest tax-payers, rotated every three years. The board elects a CEO.

The ideological discrepancies between the Compartments make an important contribution to the stability of the Trichotomocracy, since they limit the potential for re-amalgamation into a tyrannical unity. This is one of the twin principles by which its success is to be estimated — the perpetuation of durable governmental plurality. The second principle — complete immunity from populist pressure — is ensured automatically insofar as the Trichotomocracy endures, since none of the Compartments are demotically sensitive, and even if this were not the case, each is insulated from demotic subversion affecting either of the others.  The outcome is a government answerable only to itself, with a self that is irreducibly plural, and thus intrinsically self-critical.

Under the light-hand of Trichotomocratic rule, any ‘citizen’ who seeks to participate in government, in any way whatsoever, has three choices open to them:  (a) Join the Security Services and rise through the ranks; (b) Join the Church of the Holy Triarchy and become adept in the law; (c) Make enough tax-vulnerable income that it earns a place on the National Resources Board. There might, in addition, be career opportunities for a very small number of professional administrators, depending upon the internal staffing policies of the three Compartments. Any other ‘politics’ would be criminal social disorder, although in most cases this would probably be treated leniently, due to its complete impotence. If sufficiently disruptive, such “relic demo-zombie” behavior would be best managed by deportation.

(Questions of local government diversity, secession, and micro-state building exceed the terms of this initial Integral-Neoreactionary settlement. Such potentials can only further strengthen external controls, and thus further constrain the scope of government discretion.)

ADDED: Even this crude sketch has enough moving parts to breed bugs. Glitch-1 (by my reckoning): Pigovian taxes and commutative tax politics don’t knit together very well. In combination, they incentivize the politically ambitious to move into business activities with high negative externalities. Any neat patch for this?

ADDED: Anomaly UK will require some further persuasion.

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  • Psykonomist Says:

    An interesting division of power, but I will submit that within a few generations the ideological divisions devised and utilized by competent victors will be replaced by a practical union of psychopaths for the express purpose of mutually beneficial feasting upon the newly arranged, enriched, and (as usual) broadly unsuspecting host.

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    admin Reply:

    I fully agree — that is (overwhelmingly) the primary constitutional challenge. One rough-and-ready solution is to build very strong local autonomy into the system from the start, so that secessionist options are smoothed as much as possible for when the need arises. More elegant would be a solution that makes the fragmentation of powers inherently robust, but I have no compellingly clear ideas about how that would be achieved at this point. Anything that maintains ideological diversity between the Compartments would contribute substantially, and this would certainly be much easier in a zero-democracy political environment (since democracy tends to entropically distribute ideological homogeneity among social institutions).

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    Psykonomist Reply:

    I’m going to look square at education and/or money creation. If either or both is centralized, everything else follows. Psycho/Sociopaths are a relative minority, but have a huge advantage in navigation and manipulation of power structures. This includes identifying those changes necessary to centralize power, as well as the storms and sophistry needed to bring about those changes.

    It is an ignorance of psychology, economics, and philosophy that dooms us. Hence my three main interests.

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    admin Reply:

    Both state education and fiat money creation have to be unambiguously unconstitutional.

    Puzzle Pirate (@PuzzlePirate) Reply:

    I thought testing for and eliminating psychopathy, as well as other deleterious conditions, would be part of the eugenics program.

    Psykonomist Reply:

    Is psychopathy eliminable?

    admin Reply:

    As Jim suggested (in the DE Q&A thread), a little psychopathy provides immunity to Cathedralization.

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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    Elegant and quite attractive. Probably vulnerable to Psykonomist’s objection, though.

    The best way to keep your three elites from socializing too much is by strictly forbidding marriage and commercial relationships between them.

    But if you do that, you are at risk of a group dynamic where within each group members gain status by posturing to see who can be purer in devotion to that group ideals, which would be maximally proved by zero-sum confrontation with the other group. Also, of course, the limitation on marriage and commercial partnership would be irksome and would eventually be done away with, on grounds of efficiency or some such.

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    admin Reply:

    It’s complicated. There’s a degree to which coordination between the three compartments is both inevitable and positively beneficial, but only insofar as it remains a complex game-theoretic activity among rigorously distinct agencies. I don’t think laws against socialization are a practical solution (but then, I don’t think there should be laws against ‘insider trading’). Nevertheless, I agree that it would only take a small number of Neo-Brahmin cross-Compartmental marriages to throw the entire constitutional order into extreme danger. It would inevitably fall upon each Compartment’s supportive social formation (the military, the church, business) to prevent the emergence of a permanent cross-connected elite. Not easy. Dynamic meritocratic competition — with its resultant social churn — is the key.

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    Psykonomist Reply:

    The intermarriage point and problem is excellent. Intermarriage has been the historical and modern “apolitical” solution to weaving a separate elite. But laws against it are most likely doomed to fail as pointed out. A conundrum..

    Forbidding commercial relationships is just as untroublesome of a formality after enough time. Given admin’s familiarity with D&G, he should recognize that limitations on commerce (like, or as information) are doomed to fail. “Flows want to be free”.

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    admin Reply:

    A moment of simultaneous mind-meld there.

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  • Psykonomist Says:

    How do you approach the problem of the military, or “Compartment of Security”? “The side with guns” is the greatest danger in a decentralized monetary system. There is a unique problem of a social unit trained to evaluate everything in terms of a threat matrix. While doing away with officers and keeping everything strictly within an “enlisted” path would assist in keeping the faction from mingling with the other Compartments, it doesn’t protect against the problem of Coup.

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    admin Reply:

    This is the classic Moldbuggian objection, but I’m not sure that it’s especially devastating. The main protection against a coup is smooth Exit — both secession and out-migration of talent / capital. Constitutionally-protected private armies would also help.

    What would be the motive for a coup? The Security Compartment already has a veto on legislation, so an institutional resource grab is the only major motive remaining. That only works if the military is unintelligent enough to believe in its competence to run the economy. So long as the Compartment of Resources supports an ‘adequate’ security establishment, there isn’t really a pretext (coup leaders need to tell their troops something convincing if they’re being asked to overthrow the constitutional order). It’s even possible that the potential for a coup could play a role in stabilizing the Trike, as a game theoretic deterrence option modifying the calculations — especially — of the economic leadership.

    The fact that the US military today shows no interest in a coup today — under a hooligan regime run by abusive progs — surely counts against the menace the Trike would face.

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    Psykonomist Reply:

    The main protection against coup in the immediate is a smooth exit. I’m referring to the indefinite future.

    Motive has to be understood by understanding the “praetorian” psychology. To begin with, the psychology within officer ranks and enlisted ranks is sufficiently different to distinguish here. It is precisely that there are officers that we do not have a “revolt against progressives”. The officers are, as a group (although of course not down to every last one), sufficiently indoctrinated to align with the Cathedral.
    The enlisted, as a group, are by mission necessity indoctrinated to align with themselves and internal superiors only. Cathedral concerns are irrelevant. You must go kill and/or be killed, and the only ones you can and must trust are those to your right and left, and the only ones you obey are those immediately “behind”.

    Although this is might sound it’s only a problem within or of the Cathedral, it’s not. The military as a concept and general organization is much older, simpler, and thoroughly refined. The motive is, as it always is, power. Currently, the potential hijacking of a nation by the military is avoided by offering power to the leadership through political and commercial channels. The revolving door between the Pentagon and the various “Defense Industries”, think tanks, consulting firms, etc. Remove this counterweight (due to one set of necessities), and you are confronted with an increasingly alienated and arrogant mob of boys and men with guns who want desperately to use them on “Them” (which to them is Us).

    If we counter this with a collection of other groups matching it in strength if not in centralized organization, why bother with the Compartment of Security to begin with?

    As an enlisted veteran I feel acutely aware of these (among other related) issues.

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    admin Reply:

    I’m not seeing what could possibly meet these concerns. I’m assuming we’re not going to be sucked into some kind of Moldbug ‘weapon crypto-locking’ discussion — which is frankly rather comical.

    I would hope a security complex that had taken charge of its own internal culture could be persuaded that something considerably less than complete dominion reasonably reflected its position in society. If not, then hard secession is the only option — and if the securocrats know that, wouldn’t it suffice to moderate their ambitions? (Military coups are very rare in functional societies, and it doesn’t require weapon-locking to prevent them.)

    If — on Hobbes-Moldbug grounds — we accept that the military can’t be bullied or intimidated, then it has to be accommodated. It just doesn’t seem to me that it’s ever going to get a better (sustainable) deal than the one offered by the Trike, and if it is for some reason too inherently irrational to grasp that fact, any imaginable social order would be doomed from the start.

    In any case, it’s the constitutionally-allotted responsibility of the Compartment of Resources to manage this problem. It has plenty of brains, money, and advanced technology to direct at it.

    Psykonomist Reply:

    Well the problem is one over time, not immediate. One possibility is a “National Guard” type force, with an age range of 25-45. Can’t have underdeveloped frontal lobes or bodies too old to have to worry about getting out from behind a desk. A “weekend warrior” force is quite sufficient to be prepared for a defensive war, without becoming and end in itself, as well as helping to prevent the extreme alienation of a standing military force.

    I can’t say I’ve given Moldbug a thorough reading. My critiques come from a first hand familiarity with the military, and an ANCAP political/economic philosophy (partially influenced by that military experience).

    Weapon locking and golden handcuffs are probably insufficient when the individual and group psyche is systemically compromised. *Standing* armies are counterproductive in all respects.

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  • spandrell Says:

    Heh.

    I would’ve thought you’d fancy different countries for each faction, even several of them. Hard to Exit if the neoreactionary coalition is this tight.

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    admin Reply:

    Territorial fission is the main neoreactionary current, but to explore that would require that each of the new governments had to be analyzed independently. It would be interesting to do that, but bundling them together into a single constitutional conundrum wins the laziness vote.

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  • Stirner Says:

    Perhaps there could also be a tripartite division of *doomday* protocols to help curb insurrection.

    The security division could have final authority over the use of the nuke codes. The resources division could have final authority over the encrypted bitcoin currency (Coup? Good luck seizing assets, or getting paid next week). I am not sure what safeguard the rule-makers could have. Perhaps they are the ones who hold the “mandate of heaven” and are the only legitimate arbiters for determining when the other two branches have “crossed the line” in the eyes of the public. Force, Money, Legitimacy – a nice neoreactionary mexican standoff to help compel cooperation.

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    admin Reply:

    The Theonomists could have their own red button to usher in the reign of Cthulhu and a “holocaust of freedom” sweeping everything into the abyss. (A few hundred tons of LSD concentrate, ready to ditch into the national water supply, might convince the skeptics.)

    Also, thanks for the Bitcoin reminder — a crucial ingredient.

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  • Alex Says:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/114365566709887894898/BRUTEPropagandaGALLERY?noredirect=1#5460816913933254626

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    admin Reply:

    Would it be rude to make an issue out of your Holy Triarchic head-gear? (Nice pic of Nydwracu though.)

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    Alex Reply:

    Would it be rude to make an issue out of your Holy Triarchic head-gear?

    “Thus is the Devil ever God’s ape.”

    Seriously, someone should come up with a DE sigil reproducible as T-shirts, badges, lapel pins &c. Tripartite obviously, to signify the Three Lobes of the Neo-Reaction. Perhaps a sleek cyan fleur-de-lys on a midnight-black field.

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    admin Reply:

    It’s unfortunate that the recycling sign is already taken. (I’m preempting the “Couldn’t we recycle it?” witticism right now.)

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  • Jack Crassus Says:

    Might I recommend the Millet system?

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    admin Reply:

    It would have to be included among the fragmentationist footnotes, because the Pulpists won’t sign on to it as a basic constitutional principle.

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  • Thales Says:

    As with MM, seems too rational and peaceful. It needs more Catholic Orange Bible, and the laws of kanly must be observed…

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  • VXXC Says:

    I like the Tripod, hallowed by customs ancient and indeed modern. Two is instant collusion, politics begins with Three.

    You left out space, which leaves Americans without a Frontier. Which led to instant necrotic dysfunctions from 1890 when it was closed. Not to mention Theodore Roosevelt’s attempt to extend Anglo-Saxon culture westward to Asia, which led to disaster for all concerned.

    I see a problem: “…on the need to begin from where things are.” But this is not where we are . We are not there politically, socially, or military.

    We already had a Triad. We have on paper and still powerfully latent a Triad. Socially it’s much wished. The dysfunctions happened when we strayed.

    Military –problem is Hierarchy. Now. This is where we are.

    Warfare and conflict Hierarchy – warfare and conflict is already well into swarming and networks…whence the Hierarchy? The current American military Hierarchy consists of 19 ranks of whom 15 are formal decision makers. This system was developed in the ancient world to maximize military effectiveness given the technology available.

    This land warfare system missed the importance of the advent of the Radio. The last significant military technology for land warfare – where we live – was the pocket watch. It allowed the genius of Napoleon to synchonize Operations based on Time. “Synchronize Your Watches”. Again Land warfare missed nearly completely that the portable radio should have meant a radical re-organization along network paradigm, not Hierarchy. Hierarchy I assure you was developed for pre-radio. The operative phrase is “echo the Commands” still seen in Military formations conducting ceremonial drill. The same may be said for silence in the ranks. It’s so the General [the King or his represenative] can be heard.

    See if you can see the difference….

    Old Hierarchy Battle Formation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53vshl2DRH8

    Military Radio Networks

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat-net_radio

    They are stuck on the literally ancient. It’s quite breaking down already. No school like War Dear Sir.

    Your move.

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    Psykonomist Reply:

    Good points. It’s readily apparent to most E5s and below that everything above E6, to include all O’s, are increasingly redundant. I hadn’t given specific consideration to the fact that this is primarily due to technology, but it is.

    Relevant to this:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/06/william-s-lind/the-four-generations-of-modern-war/

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    Handle Reply:

    Sorry, but hierarchy is both effective and essential because of scalability, and specialization with modularity (double chaining, command and technical). Not to mention the needs of reducing entropy and uncertainty when solving the dynamic force reallocation programming function. We already use network-style organization communications for all-source intelligence.

    But I guess every power on earth is just being stupid and stubborn with regards to military force organization. Oh wait, no, they think and research and study about it all the time, and are constantly refining their C2 processes.

    Same goes for corporate governance. And most of the time, when the company has any large human scale and a need for consistency, organization is hierarchical. But I guess all the major corporations are also stupid and stubborn and hire too much ‘redundant’ management.

    When you look at what happens in a competitive market, it’s usually a lesson on what actually works in reality.

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  • VXXC Says:

    Networks are plenty scalable. They’re scaled all the time. This particular network [the internet] is an entire series of networks. It works via BGP.

    Corporations in particular the new ones are moving towards a much flatter business model, see for instance Amazon, or GE under Welsh.

    The Hierarchal model serves the interests of those in it expecting steady promotion and gain. The people in the middle are the most fierce about its’ defense for the usual reasons.

    Besides of course there’s some hiearchy, just not the obsolete chain of command which is built for the battlefield of the ancients. 4 levels are the most needed. Your other concerns are also solved by networking protocols. The usual Human ones can be as well, but it’s not the same old solution.

    The military actually isn’t looking for such deep surgery either. Nor victory. Form does not follow function, form bastardizes function.

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  • Little Hans Says:

    1 – This doesn’t look like a nice, stable, prisoner’s dilemma style bit of game theory where everyone decides in advance to make nice. Power here looks more like one of those ecology-type population-cycle feedback circuits that wildly swings around some kind of attractor. In the long run it might trend towards stability, but in the short term it’ll be all over the place. A good constitution shouldn’t just be reactive?

    2 – Why would the Techno-commercialist want to get into a government with Ethno-nationalists or Theocrats instead of quietly pushing them out into the night?

    3 – Even if this weird threesome went down, why give everyone their own ball to play with? If you want checks, why not give the military to the Theocrats, the law to the Techno-commecialists and commerce to the Ethno-nationalists? That’s your recipe for small government.

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    admin Reply:

    1. As long as it holds together, this is less of a problem than re-amalgamation.
    2. Push them out how?
    3. No one will comply with a government characterized by a structural bias to incompetence (with no one running anything they care about). Might as well go to full Anarcho-capitalism, if you can get that to work.

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  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    Admin, have you ever heard of Erwin “Filthy Pierre” Strauss? He published a disturbing little nonfiction book several decades ago on the consequences of nuclear proliferation. It has a bit of the dystopian flavor of the beginning of Ursula K. Leguin’s _City of Illusions_, minus the space aliens. If Strauss is right, things get ugly and jurisdictions get small.

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    admin Reply:

    Sounds interesting — I’ll chase it down.

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  • Grotto Says:

    I am in very strong agreement with several commenters that any neoreactionary solution must involve some degree of territorial partitioning.

    One of our primary criticisms of the current order is that a “proposition nation” (as America is claimed to be) is unsustainable given the underlying ethno-cultural divisions within our society. A judicious use of some nested partitioning-scheme would give the resulting government some flexibility to adapt to local particulars. Additionally, geographic partition allows for individuals to vote with their feet, facilitating free exit, and making future secession more feasible. These are both important safety valves. The credible threat of a viable secession is an important deterrent. Even in the current United States, we can see how pockets of determined conservative resistance at the regional level have had wildly disproportionate effects of the national dialogue. Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin, and his epic showdown with public-sector unions, for example. A winning battle in a losing war, but a winning battle nonetheless, illustrating the usefulness of federalism in retarding the progressive offensive.

    I imagine the resulting system would resemble something like the Holy Roman Empire, with most domestic administrative powers residing in local fiefdoms, with widely varying systems of government, from mercantile republics (probably along Singlosphere lines) to hereditary theocracies (a la Moldbug). Each faction of the neo-reactionary coalition could organize a government according to their specific beliefs. In external affairs, or when collective effort is required (for example, if New-Confucian China invades the Alliance of Neoreactionary States), I would prefer some temporary dictatorship, appointed by universal acclaim, much in the manner of Cincinnatus. I haven’t worked out the exact mechanics of this, but as a worst-case baseline, each state would receive a vote proportional to the amount of resources pledged to the authority of the future dictator. This dictator would be given free reign in external affairs for a fixed-duration term, or when he declares the crisis to be over, whichever comes first.

    I could elaborate further, but this isn’t about my ideal system – I simply want to state my whole-hearted support for some form of territorial separation.

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  • Devin Finbarr Says:

    I am with AnonymalyUK – this structure is an impossibly unstable equilibrium. There are too many opportunities for one branch to scheme, play hardball, and acquire more power. The best case is peaceful hegemony by one branch, the worst case is civil war. The scheme reminds me a bit of the late Weimar republic. The German elections had a split result with between various parties. As part of a power sharing agreement, the Nazi’s were given control over internal security. Natural they leveraged that in order to punish opponents and act with leniency towards supporters, in order to gain even more power. I see the same thing happening with the triarch structure.

    “The fact that the US military today shows no interest in a coup today — under a hooligan regime run by abusive progs — surely counts against the menace the Trike would face. Military coups are very rare in functional societies, and it doesn’t require weapon-locking to prevent them”

    The U.S. military today is firmly under the command and control of the Cathedral-dominated civilian government. The cathedral is running a textbook operation on how priests can dominate the soldier caste. Every soldier spent his childhood in schools indoctrinating in him in the glories of democracy, the constitution, and civilian control over the military. To become an officer, you need a four-year cathedral degree. Gaining further promotion in the modern military has moved to an automatic formula. Guess which of the three following factors are part of that formula: a) successfully waging war, winning battles and gaining military objectives b) taking graduate-level cathedral courses (*any cathedral courses* it could be Marxist Theology or what not) c) maintaining a spotless record of avoiding censure for collateral damage. If you guessed b) and c) you are correct. There is also the J.A.G. corp – a cathedral thought police force embedded right within the army, maintaining control. All high level officers must have their promotions improved by Congress. And the President calls the shots at the top, and can fire any officer for any reason.

    The above is what any civilian government must do to maintain control over a military. A cultural code must be indoctrinated at every level. This code must be enough to outweigh the “band of brothers” effect. Loyalty and ideological committment must be rewarded, disloyalty punished. Soldiers shouldn’t even *think* about disloyalty, because they know that suggesting mutiny to any non-sympathetic person could result in total ruin. Coordinating a coup becomes impossible.

    As far as I can tell, you are removing all of these checks and controls over the military.

    The most likely outcome is that the military budget will ratchet upwards until it becomes bloated and expensive as the government of today’s Washington. When the military needs money for any reason (maybe there is a war that it needs to fight, maybe it needs to match the naval build up of a rival, maybe it needs a new fleet of stealth fighters equipped with the latest technology) the Pulpists will need to give the military a bigger budget. Now imagine that later on the Pulpists want to shut down obsolete bases, disable unneeded weapons systems, lay off excess troops, etc, all to save money and keep taxes lower. At some point budgets will be tight – budgets always get tight. The military will resist the budget cuts, and they will resist the cuts as a united front. Since the military controls its own culture, it has no problem creating an us-against-the-Pulpists-culture (“Why should those rich bastards pay so little tax while veterans are having their pensions cut?”). The top generals will conspire privately, and decide to threaten the Pulpists with force should they not comply.

    The above scenario cannot happen in the US because a mutinous American general cannot count on fellow generals being anti-democracy. If a mutinous general proposes an anti-cathedral/anti-civilian coup to a pro-cathedral general, the mutinous general will be ratted out. He will be fired and disgraced, and will probably get jail time. Since a coup needs dozens of generals to succeed, the probability of the conspirators getting ratted out is far too high for anyone to dare attempt a coup.

    But if the military controls its own culture and promotions, generals would have no fear of privately suggesting a coup. Even if their fellow generals disagree, they won’t rat out a buddy, nor would that be cause to deny a promotion. Privately, such talk will be acceptable. Thus when the military, some day, has a real grevience, the climate will be right for organizing a mutiny and seizing power.

    There are of course a number of other vectors of attack to your system. If the Theonomists manage to prevent a military coup, and gain power themselves, they can use their judicial power to expand the law to make it say whatever they want (as the higher courts have done in the U.S.)

    The Pulpists have their own quite obvious attack path. Does your system have any sort of anti-trust laws? If not, expect the cabal of capitalists running things to combine into massive trusts and monopolies. They will then use their control over industry and information portals to exercise total power over the country. There will be formal mergers, back channel deals, agreements, and shared blacklists. Did a Theomist official do something to piss off the Cabal? Maybe he suggested introducing anti-trust laws? That Theomist will have a fun time using his credit card, buying an airline ticket, or logging into his email… Did an employee try to organize a union? He will not only be fired, but he will be blacklisted from employment in any Cabal owned business, and blacklisted from employment in any business that does business with a Cabal owned business.

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    admin Reply:

    Quality commentary, deserving a serious response. As a provisional place-holder for that — Doesn’t the very fact you have three nightmare scenarios (one for each node) suggest a higher level of stability? Once exposed, as you have done, such ‘bad outcomes’ become game theoretic threats to be processed by the Trike. All three of your disasters are quite clearly ‘doomsday options’ that would bring the order down: so why would any intelligent players have a compelling interest in them? It makes more sense to bargain them away, within the triangle.

    The Monarchical alternative is simply to say: “Assume the nightmare has happened,so we can relax.” Anything other than Hobbesian despotism is going to be nerve-wracking, that’s just the way it is.

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  • Devin Finbarr Says:

    Doesn’t the very fact you have three nightmare scenarios (one for each node) suggest a higher level of stability?

    Well, the probability of each of the three faction’s hegemonic potential being equal and precisely balancing out are extremely remote. The default would be for the military to be by far the most powerful. Unless there is more to your plan than is in your post, and there are actual mechanisms to ensure military loyalty to the constitution, I’d expect the military to achieve dominance within a generation. This would not be the worst scenario in the world – but if that is the end result, you might as well just give the military full power from the start.

    If somehow the three factions actually do balance out, I wouldn’t expect the result to be all that great for the populace. The military would want a bigger budget and special privileges for the soldier caste. The pulpists want low taxes and the right to extract monopoly rents (why on earth do you assume that pulpists would be “extreme laissez-faire”?). I can see a deal being struck where the capitalist pulpists get the right to form monopolies and extract more profit, while the military gets more tax revenue.

    Overall, I just don’t see the benefit of the triarchy system. I’d expect each of the three factions to desire to increase their own power and wealth at the expense of the other two factions and the general population. Either one faction wins, and that faction can rule as a stationary bandit over the land. Or the three factions compromise and together extract as much wealth and exert as much power over the general population as they can. Either way, I don’t see how this an improvement over regular old military dictatorship or regular old rule by bureaucracy.

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    admin Reply:

    The worst outcome in your account — a re-integration of government, either through triumph of one faction over the other two, or by fusional coordination of the three — is the presumed basis for the main alternative (reactionary) proposal: i.e. integrated government. So the practical argument for the Triarchy is quite clear — At worst, it becomes what integral Monarchy is from the start.

    “I’d expect each of the three factions to desire to increase their own power and wealth at the expense of the other two factions and the general population.” — This is the only reasonable Constitutionalist assumption, and the only reasonable assumption of political theory in general. In the absence of divine intervention, or a counter-factual utopian world, the only checks are:
    1) Internal, through strategically fragmented government (durable division of powers)
    2) External, through patchwork pressure, primarily Exit.
    Any scale-free political theory can be expected to lean on both (although the former is emphasized here).

    Yes, it’s difficult.

    The reason that triangles are far more stable than binary divisions, of course — and indeed more stable than any other arrangement — is that domination by any one node requires a preponderance of power over both the others combined. Agreed that the military poses special problems, but these have been practically dealt with many times before, and tend to be over-stated by reactionary intellectuals (when was the last time that a prosperous commercial republic fell prey to a military coup?).

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    Didn’t it happen to some of the Italian republics? Anyhow, when was the last time that a prosperous commercial republic had the military as an equal branch of government?

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    admin Reply:

    Including the military within the Trike is supposed to increase their stake in the system. If you think it decreases stability, that’s a reason to lock them out (although that violates the “Better on the inside pissing out” principle). This is obviously a political raw nerve of a very interesting kind. To be zoomed in on, I think.

    Lesser Bull Reply:

    Maybe the problem is that we’re envisioning something on the order of the modern US military. Commercial republics need a fierce propaganda of civilian control *or* they need a pretty darn small professional military, preferably coupled with a robust militia system, *or* they need their military to be of the sort that is difficult to use in coups (for instance, naval vessels, submarines, and strategic rocket forces). Britain and America, which at one point were probably the largest and most powerful commercial republics the world has known, combined all three.

    I have a notion that in your schema you might get some mileage by separating out the military governance node from the actual professional military, some kind of selection mechanism for veterans, but I haven’t thought much about the details. My preliminary vague notion would be veteran’s councils determined by lot who review recommendations for medals for valor and distinguished service, awardees to constitute the ruling body in some way.

    But this is all nice and theoretical. I think the current US system would be pretty darn robust if you gave states their senators back and based the franchise on marriage and childbearing (hey ho the religious folk), veterans with honorable discharges (hey ho the military) and taxpayers paying above a certain amount a year (hey ho the commercial types). Depending on where you set the tax level, these voter groups would largely be the same people.

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  • VXXC Says:

    @Admin,

    “This is obviously a political raw nerve of a very interesting kind. To be zoomed in on, I think.”

    ZOOMING. Because they don’t know what it’s gonna do. And not in 2037.

    What Finbarr is saying is true as far as it goes. Actual Truth is more complicated.

    It would be lovely if everyone believed in unreality, but when reality has confronted you in harsh pastels, unreality never looks the same again.
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    I don’t know either.

    I think absent any leadership at Flag rank you’re looking at initial fragmentation. Hopefully you’d be looking at Starship Troopers. It can always get worse.

    You understand that post USSR Russia is a dark, gangster & KGB version of Starship Troopers, yes? And common in History.

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    How did I miss this?

    Dang.

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  • Wagner Says:

    My thoughts about fallenness and original sin, which I equate with ignorance, revolve around this line of Hölderlin’s:

    “Yet the Father covers our eyes, / with a holy night that we may last on earth.”

    If you think back to the trichotomy you’ll notice I’ve been mostly focusing on the ethno-nationalist and tech-commercialist ways of seeing. These are clown world compared to cloud world (the theonomist way of seeing). These first two are wings of God, so to speak- not the body.

    I see left and right, as philosophies, as at battle in the head of the bird.

    The left is “the holy night that we may last on earth”. Why does the Father, God, above the head of the bird, cover our eyes? Why is ignorance holy, I ask the leftists.

    Your standpoint is that ignorance is holy, and you will not respond to my questions because, well, ignorance is holy. I would go away if someone explained to me why ignorance is holy. No one wants to cross that line.

    “that we may last on earth”

    That is Hölderlin’s apology for you. Now to do a Socrates and ask, Can you go into more detail?

    Ahh the imperative that one be ignorant of one’s ignorance as the essential platform of the left, we’ve returned to this again 👋

    “… Steps of the Alpine range,
    Which I call the divinely built,
    Fortress of the heavenly ones,
    As in ancient belief, but where
    Much still decided in secret
    Reaches men;… ?”

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    Wagner Reply:

    There’s something disturbing about the ones who whisper “Time to go to sleep.”

    The forces of ignorance-as-an-imperative.

    There’s no convincing them, there’s only escape, from their forced somnolence.

    There’s something disturbing about the way they always say it and yet never say it.

    “Goodnight.”

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    Wagner Reply:

    Every time you lie or lie by omission imagine your hand placed on a book as you declare your holy oath to ignorance.

    The oaths echo everywhere, it’s deafening.

    I’m the only real Satanist of this religion, clasping my ears with my palms, wandering around your church, tilting my head and smirking at you.

    “You know we don’t have to go to this church” I shout amidst the clamor.

    Most of them look up at me uneasily with their hand placed on the book, and avert their eyes, continuing their oath.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Okay bear with me I’m going to speak in Theologese for a minute. When we’re born we don’t know much and as we get older we know more and more. When we die we don’t know Everything. We do know a lot more than when we were born though, that is if we didn’t die in the crib obviously. So from these most basic facts of life we can deduce that God’s Plan involves both a permanent ignorance and an increase of knowledge. We can deduce that as human beings we are fundamentally *oriented* toward the gaining of knowledge. Infancy to childhood to adulthood is a trajectory involving learning. So when I look at the way the left lies and tries to hide things I have to conclude that they want everyone to be kids forever, and that they are going against “God’s Plan” for us as knowledge-oriented beings. What they essentially do is put a knowledge-limit on what adulthood means. One is not allowed to “grow up” past a certain point.

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  • Wagner Says:

    It’s interesting that God is arguably (uncontroversially) the most important thing in life and yet if I had done nothing but theonomy-posted this whole time I wouldn’t have gotten in any trouble. The holy wars in our present hellworld are fought in the arenas of race and capitalism.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “He said ‘infusing those stupid communion wafers with LSD will fix the nihilism in the West’, time to order a hit on his head.”

    I wonder what we could have done differently in history to have found ourselves on that kind of timeline.

    https://imgur.com/a/kNBgJ2f

    Sooty mob voice: “Shut up, nobody cares!”

    Yeah, that’s the point of what he’s saying.

    If we define religion as thee most fundamental axioms of a culture then it follows that if we get the theonomy prong of the trident right we get the other two right.

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    Wagner Reply:

    2 seconds before death convert to Christianity

    1 second before death blade runner 2049 kicking frustrated gah!

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    Wagner Reply:

    No, that’s not going to happen. It’s possible though. I know that if there is a hell that’s where my enemies are going, truly.

    RE: God’s importance being uncontroversial: did anyone ever prove Anselm wrong? I know, we’re all too irony-poisoned for this topic to not be cringe, these just happen to be the things on your mind when, out of unfounded paranoia or not, you sense the approach of death. Might as well document it for scientific purposes.

    What pushed me over the edge into theism was Tillich’s The Courage to Be. It’s been years so not sure if it still holds up, it’s a quick read tho if you want to check it out. I’m thoroughly convinced that the only viable path to mass-theism for millennials and zoomers is via ontological language. Scientism is all-pervasive in our mindscape- ontology is like a halfway point.

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    Wagner Reply:

    As much as I wish I could use a time machine to kill baby Adorno he was a genius:

    https://imgur.com/a/4i4P4yd

    (Tillich was a Christian Heideggerian).

    This is an example of what I mean by the dangers of exotericized esotericism. I appreciate that some of you opfer’d yourself as guinea pigs for the experiment btw. Anyway, nihilism can be solved if thought is kept at a certain level. If you go up into higher levels of abstraction you end up back at nihilism again (for many or most people).

    I really would love to find a book on the history of priestcraft. Does anyone know of any? Most of our known history has been Christian, and Christianity, even its protestant varieties, has always involved the distinction between the priests and the laity. Even now with radical anarchist-type Christians there is still this distinction whereby they take a hugebrain like Augustine or Blake as a priest, (Neech is my priest, as is known). What do they know that we don’t, that’s always been what I’ve been driving at.

    NRx could be seen as the laity questioning the priest (teh cathedral).

    Who’s who in this confession booth, ay? 😉

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  • Wagner Says:

    https://twitter.com/GurdjieffWork/status/1146548980291166208

    It true.

    Reminds me I still need to finish Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson. This is one of those rare books that seems like it was written by an 👽 in a 🤷 ♂ body.

    Absurdism, occultism, ontology (this is another extensive list) all arose as a response to the death of Christianity, or put differently, the widespread inability to have faith in Christ. I myself am waiting for a messiah, you might say, that will synthesize all these strands of attempts to restore mass-belief in a higher power.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Messed that emoji up, the aliens must want to ruin the effect so no one catches on.

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    Wagner Reply:

    inb4: One must imagine Sisyphus happy = a secularized leap of faith

    He doesn’t give us a reason. We just believe him because he’s Camus and he’s cool.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I don’t think science is entirely to blame for the death of Christianity. It was/is missing a spiritual something from the days of so-called paganism.

    “we know little or nothing of the nocturnal celebrations of the Middle Ages—or of the beginnings of modern times. The fault may lie to some extent with the cruelty of the repressive measures applied against them. Our sources of information are the confessions dragged by the judges from unfortunates put to the torture. Torture made the victims repeat what the judges’ imagination suggested. We can only suppose that Christian vigilance could not prevent the survival of pagan festivals, at least in regions of deserted moorlands. We may well imagine a half-Christian mythology inspired by theology substituting Satan for the divinities worshipped by the yokels of the high Middle Ages. It is not even ridiculous at a pinch to see the devil as a Dionysos redivivus.

    Certain authors have doubted the existence of witches’ sabbaths. In our own day, people have even questioned the existence of the Voodoo cult. That cult exists none the less, even if it has sometimes turned into a tourist attraction. Everything leads us to believe that the cult of Satan, to which the Voodoo offers resemblances, did indeed exist, even if less frequently in reality than in the minds of the judges. Here is what seems to emerge from readily accessible data. The Sabbaths, vowed in the lonely night to the secret cult of the god who was the other face of God, could only make more marked a ritual based on the topsy-turvydom of the feast. The judges in the witch trials were no doubt able to persuade their victims to confess to a parody of Christian rites. But the masters of the Sabbath may just as well have thought up these practices themselves as have them suggested by their judges. We cannot tell from one isolated example whether it belongs to the judge’s imagination or the real cult. But at least we may assume that sacrilege was the basic principle.”

    When I wonder how I ended up in this agon against the cathedral I often think of Bataille’s taunting face and sometimes fantasize about burning his books. Life would’ve been easier without him.

    “sacrilege was the basic principle” just lol

    Wagner Reply:

    Here’s the audio version of that if you’re so inclined:

    https://archive.org/details/BeelzebubsTalesToHisGrandson..book1FullAudio

    It’s been a while since I listened to this but I think this version has some music and sound-effects, correct me if I’m wrong. Novels made into Gesamtkunstwerken are the future of highbrow media IMO. They’re like the literary equivalent of VR. Using music, sound effects, and especially genuine emotion really sets the atmosphere. Have you ever listened to an audiobook read by a professional actor? It’s like reading it for the first time. If more actors and actresses read books (either for money, or hey, why not for free and poasted them??) it would make the world a better place. Audiobooks are among the top catalysts I can think of for transmuting proles into aristos. “See? I’m a leftist just like you, you can trust me 😼”

    Wagner Reply:

    Pleeease get someone good to do Nietzsche’s books 🙏

    I want a pro to do the way his mocking voice sounds in my head!

    Pure contempt and belittlement. What is Eduard Habsburg like IRL? Has he been demotized? Imagine neech read by a literal scornful aristocrat. It would be too good to be true.

    Wagner Reply:

    Imagine if professionals decided to be unprofessional and recorded themselves reading their favorite books, casting all precaution to the wind, and acted perhaps like complete buffoons? Bezos’s audible company is obviously, like him, Apollonian to the core. I can see people having lots of fun reading books in an off-the-grid style.

    There’s a market out there for good recordings of obscure right-wing texts btw wink wink

    Wagner Reply:

    I bet Stephen King would agree with me too (not like he’d deign to ever read any of this tripe)- some kind of middle-way needs to be chalked out between the novel and film. So much is left out in adaptations it amounts to a bastardization. This understanding is even at the periphery of folk-consciousness: “It’s not as good as the book.” “Duh.” Music, sound-effects, authenticity, are just for starters, I’m sure others can imagine other possibilities toward the goal of creating “a total work of art”.

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  • Wagner Says:

    With our current value system in the west so many kids are going to grow up to be fucked up, it’s devastating to think about. With much dismay I have to conclude that we’re already living in a 2nd-world country by the looks of things. I trust the econ people who think cryptocurrency will fix things eventually, I just wonder what we’re supposed to do in the meantime. Garbage on the radio, garbage on the TV, pretty much on every channel- it isn’t healthy for adults let alone impressionable kids. So yes, many think my genocidal ideas and fantasies of a bloody coup are not a good influence on the young, yet they don’t understand that all I want is for the garbage values to go away, and I see no other option for making that happen.

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    Wagner Reply:

    When I wax antisemitic I’m never thinking of orthodox jews by the way. Well there’s a miser problem with you too but that’s the least of my concerns for now. The ones who need to be disempowered are the kind that might have used their high verbal IQ for noble theological purposes in another century, they just found themselves in our dear nadir of decadence- see I don’t really blame them. This is an occidental thing, a group effort as it were. Some of us spergs see a world-historical disaster coming down the line, and we try to warn you…

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    Wagner Reply:

    Okay I have to confess, I DO blame them 😁

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    Wagner Reply:

    *walking around the cathedral’s house in my underwear*

    Ah I guess the guest room is just “my room” now.

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    Wagner Reply:

    https://imgur.com/a/8OsJkpt

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    Wagner Reply:

    Suffice it to say that I feel like I’m one of the only people around who doesn’t believe the Old Testament that the Jews are the Chosen People and is not afraid to say it.

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    Wagner Reply:

    If someone of the stature of Bezos got a divorce no one should feel safe. That is a profound symptom that something is, systemically, amiss in the West.

    Land’s “cosmic schismatology” doesn’t take into account this side of life. I don’t think some things should schism and I know it’s not just me!

    If we wanted to fix things, theonomy would play a prominent role, is my sense. Here’s an idea for interested parties to ponder:

    https://imgur.com/a/JD1Zz0H

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  • Wagner Says:

    “C’mon bro, when are you just going to give up and convert to Catholicism already?”

    This thought-experiment lightly triggers me.

    If it weren’t for the Bible, the rituals, and the Pope, maybe, just maybe.

    If we replaced the Bible with another book, the rituals with other rituals, and the Pope with another Pope?

    Now I’m listening.

    Maybe throw in some scientology characteristics? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Postmodern catholicism.

    A catholic girl I used to know criticized my “belief system” for being like a buffet. Some truth in that. I rather like buffets though so I also don’t see her point.

    The West is so fucked!!!!!!

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    Wagner Reply:

    When God notices that the hardwood floor of this blog is made out of step-pressed apple cores

    https://imgur.com/a/pdzyXLG

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  • Wagner Says:

    *tries to theonomypill people*

    https://imgur.com/a/8E8jjnH

    It is unfortunate that we do not have at our disposal a more precise word than “sacred” to denote the experience of — —

    This is really simple stuff folks. And yet – hot take incoming – all the problems in the modern world arise from ontological confusion, and there are a hell of a lot of problems.

    Once again, this is really simple stuff. Here’s an example:

    I’ve been getting angery about pop-music lately, right? Whenever I do that I’m implicitly shaking America by the shoulders and asking, “Do you know there is a difference between good and bad?!”

    That’s a *simple* rhetorical question. I am forced to ask it because the answer is NO.

    Eliade in the above quote defines the sacred, i.e. “good”, as “real, powerful, rich, and meaningful”.

    No, what I hear on the radio isn’t “good”. I haven’t flipped on a TV for a while but I can only be all too certain that what’s on most channels of that isn’t “good” either.

    America is Atheistic in this sense, see. It is ontologically confused. And other countries try to copy us? 😂

    I’ll tell you what’s good. Eliade is good, check’eem out.

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  • Wagner Says:

    The writers of the Old Testament seem to have been on the rangordnung-current. All it means is having high ideals. For many this will be interpreted as wrath.

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  • Wagner Says:

    ‘Mirin’ the absolute destruction in Plato’s Apology this morning. This is infinitely more profound than the New Testament. We’d have had the smile-program in full operation by 1 AD if we only had listened. Instead we went with the rabble timeline, and after over two millennia we still haven’t learned to depart from it.

    The last line makes sense in this context:

    https://imgur.com/a/i5V13jm

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    Wagner Reply:

    https://imgur.com/a/7fupItW

    Wasn’t it their fault?

    They could have written something of middling complexity that still would have been superior to the NT.

    “THAT’S why you deserved your hemlock, pig-nose.”

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    Wagner Reply:

    “[For Plato] the truth must be accommodated to the understanding of the citizens, and there is a fundamental difference between the accessibility of truth to the philosopher-kings or masters of the art of dialectic and to the non-philosophers, who are to be persuaded by the noble lie to adhere to the mythical foundations of the just city.” (Rosen)

    https://imgur.com/a/e4OghaU

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    Wagner Reply:

    1 AD we coulda been bioengineering everyone to have their own daimonion. MY idea of full communism.

    Wagner Reply:

    How many laborer ants have been working these past months to repair the mythical foundations of the unjust city that I obliterated? Lots and lots. They can hear the whisper of chaos telling them what happens if they don’t. Oh no! Repair the veil of ignorance or else ☠️

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  • Wagner Says:

    looool Cladistically, is accelerationism a revamping of the biblical condemnation of the deadly sin of sloth?

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  • Wagner Says:

    https://imgur.com/a/Ax7beXs

    And the Summer of Hate with Timothy Leary continues apace…

    I’m not exactly allergic to the word “commune”. If you re-read the XS post “Independence” you’ll see that NRx just has a funny idea of what a commune would look like.

    I like to imagine a Church of Ontology that holds services on MONDAY and offers bacon squares in place of the boring eucharist cracker. It is illegal to consume bacon outside of the church, making it all the more special when it is consumed. And of course some of the bacon is infused with varying doses of LSD. And no one is allowed to work Monday, this most sacred of sacred days. Just some thoughts.

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    Wagner Reply:

    This post triggers my ISIS reader-base so much.

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  • Wagner Says:

    A perfect way to begin a thought-experiment:

    “By 2037 the harsh phases of The Upheaval have finally ended.”

    The mode I’m usually in is “back to the drawing-boards, let’s start from scratch” regarding everything we know about society in general. So what do you think would be on our minds in 2037 after The Upheaval? If we had a clean slate before us to write new codes and laws onto?

    A thoroughgoing revolution would take issue with the year 2037 itself. Why should we use this calendar? Is every patch going to keep revolving their sense of time around the birth of Christ? To put it in perspective can you imagine using this framework in the year 100,000? Was Christ that important to warrant that? I propose that once we surpass current humanity we should have a new year 1.

    Neech considered himself to have “split history into two halves”- even if most people aren’t aware that that’s what he did it doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. He’s the father of the cyborg as Land put it. So 2037 may not be the ideal year 1, it may be more just to designate it as some time in the 1880s.

    These are the kinds of thoughts you have when you acknowledge that our foundations rest on nothingness. The notion of “years” is an eyebrow-raiser. Real neechns feel themselves to be living some time near the year 135.

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    Atavisionary Reply:

    I’m not sure if you (as the resident ghost haunting / curating this cyber-ruin for land) would prefer that I confine my posts to the big thread, but anyway I admit there is a part of me that wants to forget history like a bad dream, because it is rather jarring to think of ‘the Nazarene’ and cyborgs as part of the same story, and I sprt of loathe to think that the future will be repeat of Christianity, Islam and Judaism upgraded to ‘fit in’ with the age of robotic strength. I wonder where this desire to ‘forget’ comes from, and what it means.

    I’m not an avid gamer, but I’ve played hundreds of hours of Civilization 4 and 5 (I only recommend 4 + expansions). I particularly liked the “historical” scenarios, especially when they were open-ended enough that I could change the timeline e.g. by leading feudal Japan to world conquest. The best mod, Rhys and Fall, gives RL history a bigger role. I still feel a bit guilty about the extent to which Civ shaped my “historical sense”, but if there is such a thing as an “educational” video game, it’s Civ. In some ways Civ is more honest than ‘history’ as taught, because it gives you a (shallow and illusory) sense of how arbitrary and contingent it all was and lets you experience conquest on an affective level among other benefits. It’s hard to explain without sounding nerdy and deluded AF, but it definitely inculcated in me an appreciation for “big picture” thinking. Yet even Civ has the Gregorian calendar. It doesn’t matter who you’re playing as. I always found that weird and annoying. Some scenarios remove it, but most do not. I think “the age of robotic strength” may run on some form of functional / machinic time, and who is to say if we will even organize our lives the day-night cycle when it is no longer necessary? It’s aesthetically attractive anyway.

    However that all said there is something vaguely insane and progressive about the desire to abolish the Gregorian calendar, to ‘forget’ European history in particular. You obviously know the French attempted it. What will we call pre-year 1?

    I think I would be open to a ‘scientifically informed’ sort of history, starting with some key development (say language or fire or religion). This would place us somewhere around year 50000 – 150000. This would represent the triumph of intelligence over stupidity, by anchoring our sense of time in something more objective than the historical origin of a particularly influential lie.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “I’m not sure if you (as the resident ghost haunting / curating this cyber-ruin for land) would prefer that I confine my posts to the big thread”

    Do whatever you want, start threads on posts I haven’t if you want. Like I said, I see Xenosystems as a Fanged Noumena 2, a future book caught in a time warp for now, and I just enjoy scribbling thoughts on the margins, in an attempt to make it even more untimely. *Land’s like goddamnit*

    Civ 4 eh? I was just thinking that I’m reaching my ~yearly cycle where I need to get a video game fix. That sounds like something I’ve mentioned before, the gesamtkunstwerk of combining vidya and education. VR historical video games, holy **** can you imagine? My reasoning for this is that video games are only going to keep getting better so we might as well think about adding actual I²/int-aug features.

    It’s like, System Shock 2 is sci-fi, so what would System Shock 2 look like as psy-phi? Cyberpunk immanentization IRL.

    “What will we call pre-year 1?”

    What do we call the Hesiodic/Homeric time-period?

    For all we know the posthumans will see the Greeks, Jews, Euros, and Arabs as one Age – despite all their differences – in comparison to theirs.

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    Civ 4 + Warlords + Beyond the Sword + the historical scenarios and Rhys and Fall (which come pre-installed with Beyond the Sword). It shouldn’t cost much these days, if you like to acquire your fix legally. It might no longer be available. I know a guy who loves to go on and on about the “gamification of learning”. I’m a bit skeptical, but I think it’s going to happen eventually. The problem is we need real artists to get involved. The explicitly “educational” video games on the market right now are all pathetic.

    I think you’re right we’re going to get awesome VR games (although I strongly suspect AR is ultimately going to prove more important for int-aug, I’ll tell you why if we ever chat).I think it’s going to start to look like drug addiction, with a significant percentage of the population spending all their free time wireheading on VR simulations (VR porn in particular is going to destroy a significant number of lives, even a few of the best). This, unless we restrict the use of VR for noble ends, which we won’t (unless we get patchwork, in which case I suspect successful patches will ban degenerate uses of VR within the realm). We need a philosophy of game design that ranks the reality-principle above the pleasure-principle– get to work game designers!

    “What do we call the Hesiodic/Homeric time-period?”

    So just, Before Nietzsche or BN? Lol, I guess I’d be alright with that, as a big fuck you to the old world. I wouldn’t be able to say it without a huge shit-eating grin, but maybe that’s a point in its favor. But your main opposition will probably be the people who will want to make Turing the turning point.

    (An advantage of 150000 is that it’s too huge to count, and will awaken the ancient horror of infinity.)

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  • Wagner Says:

    Habbeding-status: IT’Z

    https://youtu.be/XaN-MbGV4dY?t=297

    “😭 nooo we don’t want a technofuture, we want to convert to Islam 😭”

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  • Wagner Says:

    I want to go to church today, I just don’t like the idea of being watched there. (No, I’m not a paranoiac, I really am being watched.) As feeble as the sacred flame is that church offers, what fucking else is there. Everything is profane in this country. There is no “space” to go to get away from it. lol There was this catholic boomer I used to follow, and it makes me chuckle thinking about how he used to rant about how the kids these days don’t go to church anymore, well sorry old man, church tends to be profane too.

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