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		<title>By: Porcupine Eater</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-115677</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think people put too much emphasis on Burke being a gradualist. In The Reactionary Mind, Corey Robin makes a pretty persuasive argument that Burke was pretty radical and was more than willing to destroy old institutions and the decadent Ancient Regime in order to create a new order to combat the left. Conservatism isn&#039;t really about conserving anything,  it&#039;s about opposing popular rule and equality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people put too much emphasis on Burke being a gradualist. In The Reactionary Mind, Corey Robin makes a pretty persuasive argument that Burke was pretty radical and was more than willing to destroy old institutions and the decadent Ancient Regime in order to create a new order to combat the left. Conservatism isn&#8217;t really about conserving anything,  it&#8217;s about opposing popular rule and equality.</p>
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		<title>By: Porcupine Eater</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this respect Neoreaction has the possibility of backdoor entryism via the mainstream conservative establishment.  It&#039;s not as far fetched as it sounds,  since Aeroguy notes the alliance between capitalists, fundies, and militarists that has propped up the Republican Party. Oh course the GOP is implicitly ethno-nationalist, but even the Democratic Party can be subverted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this respect Neoreaction has the possibility of backdoor entryism via the mainstream conservative establishment.  It&#8217;s not as far fetched as it sounds,  since Aeroguy notes the alliance between capitalists, fundies, and militarists that has propped up the Republican Party. Oh course the GOP is implicitly ethno-nationalist, but even the Democratic Party can be subverted.</p>
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		<title>By: Porcupine Eater</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-115669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine Eater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 00:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the Darwinian framing. I think Nyan Sandwich is correct when he notes that Neoreaction could/should act as a rightward synthesis and that all three sides of the trichotomy combined would result in something more rightwing (hence more Darwinian-competitive, hierarchical,  and orderly) than any one side on its own. Since the goal is to move ever rightward I&#039;m not going to pick a branch but work on my own fusionism. Then again,  I&#039;m not implying that other neoreactionaries are neoreactionary enough if they aren&#039;t fusionists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the Darwinian framing. I think Nyan Sandwich is correct when he notes that Neoreaction could/should act as a rightward synthesis and that all three sides of the trichotomy combined would result in something more rightwing (hence more Darwinian-competitive, hierarchical,  and orderly) than any one side on its own. Since the goal is to move ever rightward I&#8217;m not going to pick a branch but work on my own fusionism. Then again,  I&#8217;m not implying that other neoreactionaries are neoreactionary enough if they aren&#8217;t fusionists.</p>
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		<title>By: R.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-115249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q: Yeah? You’re a Slovakian? 

A: something like that. 

I mostly agree. Orderliness ... some of the better rural areas are almost starting to resemble parts of Austria, if you squint a little. Austria/Germany is way more orderly though.

________________

No obesity? Well, I&#039;ve seen Americans call 200 lbs women .. &#039;chubby&#039; which kind of really stretches the term. But obesity is here - not as severe as in the US, but definitely here. In fact, by strict definition there are US states (Colorado) which are less obese. 


___________________

Architecture.. you probably mean the old buildings, pre 1960. Those are mostly good. 

Newer stuff - can&#039;t say it&#039;s much better here. But I&#039;ve only seen parts of New England. Really liked rural NH. Woods everywhere, not so high pop density. 

__________________


&lt;b&gt;For all the talk about immigration, I’ve seen virtually NIL in the Baltics, Poland, Slovakia or Czech.&lt;/b&gt;

Czech Republic has something like 200K Vietnamese (half legal, half not). IMO, they&#039;re the best kind of immigrant, as by 2nd generation they&#039;re mostly doing very well in schools. There is some serious organized crime, Vietnamese mob while very low-key (no one ever finds any bodies) produces enormous amounts of meth and weed for export to Germany. But yeah - most economic migrants go elsewhere, as welfare or wages here are nothing great. Minimum wage in Czechia is  $450 per month.. of course everyone is going to Britain where you get way more for sitting on your butt. 

Our own welfare parasites love to collect welfare both here and in the UK.. so beware of travelling by bus from here to there. Might end up sitting next to a gypsy for 24 hours.They often stink, as some of them bathe as often as 17th century Frenchmen... that is twice a year. 

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I&#039;m mostly kinda afraid of the future. Short of unceremoniously dumping illegal African migrant back into Africa they&#039;re going to keep coming. Pop growth there is massive. We have a serious amount of deluded &#039;Saints&#039; in the EU. 

Projection of African population is a couple of billion by mid century. Short of some radical neuro-tweaking virus or nano intelligence augmentation Africa is going to keep being a shithole and migrants are going to keep coming. 

It&#039;s not going to end up well.

_______________

&lt;b&gt;
1) WWI and WWII wiped out millions of men, so only the hottest women could get a man in the post-war years. This is a factor in Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine and Russia as well;
&lt;/b&gt;

This can&#039;t be in effect here. Former Czechoslovakia lost few people in WWII (Jews excepted). Very low overall losses.  Poland though... completely different situation. Worst hit region was Belarus though... 30% of population died in the war. 

Also, do not forget the Hungarians. In Slovakia, many people have some ancestors from there. 

_____________

&lt;b&gt;
4) Then you have the general stuff: decent food, not too rich, plenty of outbreeding.
&lt;/b&gt;

About food... does the US really have bad food? I follow some US gun bloggers, and the stuff they cook at home seems pretty good. Seems what sucks in the US is fast food.. etc.. and that many people can&#039;t cook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: Yeah? You’re a Slovakian? </p>
<p>A: something like that. </p>
<p>I mostly agree. Orderliness &#8230; some of the better rural areas are almost starting to resemble parts of Austria, if you squint a little. Austria/Germany is way more orderly though.</p>
<p>________________</p>
<p>No obesity? Well, I&#8217;ve seen Americans call 200 lbs women .. &#8216;chubby&#8217; which kind of really stretches the term. But obesity is here &#8211; not as severe as in the US, but definitely here. In fact, by strict definition there are US states (Colorado) which are less obese. </p>
<p>___________________</p>
<p>Architecture.. you probably mean the old buildings, pre 1960. Those are mostly good. </p>
<p>Newer stuff &#8211; can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s much better here. But I&#8217;ve only seen parts of New England. Really liked rural NH. Woods everywhere, not so high pop density. </p>
<p>__________________</p>
<p><b>For all the talk about immigration, I’ve seen virtually NIL in the Baltics, Poland, Slovakia or Czech.</b></p>
<p>Czech Republic has something like 200K Vietnamese (half legal, half not). IMO, they&#8217;re the best kind of immigrant, as by 2nd generation they&#8217;re mostly doing very well in schools. There is some serious organized crime, Vietnamese mob while very low-key (no one ever finds any bodies) produces enormous amounts of meth and weed for export to Germany. But yeah &#8211; most economic migrants go elsewhere, as welfare or wages here are nothing great. Minimum wage in Czechia is  $450 per month.. of course everyone is going to Britain where you get way more for sitting on your butt. </p>
<p>Our own welfare parasites love to collect welfare both here and in the UK.. so beware of travelling by bus from here to there. Might end up sitting next to a gypsy for 24 hours.They often stink, as some of them bathe as often as 17th century Frenchmen&#8230; that is twice a year. </p>
<p>_______</p>
<p>I&#8217;m mostly kinda afraid of the future. Short of unceremoniously dumping illegal African migrant back into Africa they&#8217;re going to keep coming. Pop growth there is massive. We have a serious amount of deluded &#8216;Saints&#8217; in the EU. </p>
<p>Projection of African population is a couple of billion by mid century. Short of some radical neuro-tweaking virus or nano intelligence augmentation Africa is going to keep being a shithole and migrants are going to keep coming. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going to end up well.</p>
<p>_______________</p>
<p><b><br />
1) WWI and WWII wiped out millions of men, so only the hottest women could get a man in the post-war years. This is a factor in Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine and Russia as well;<br />
</b></p>
<p>This can&#8217;t be in effect here. Former Czechoslovakia lost few people in WWII (Jews excepted). Very low overall losses.  Poland though&#8230; completely different situation. Worst hit region was Belarus though&#8230; 30% of population died in the war. </p>
<p>Also, do not forget the Hungarians. In Slovakia, many people have some ancestors from there. </p>
<p>_____________</p>
<p><b><br />
4) Then you have the general stuff: decent food, not too rich, plenty of outbreeding.<br />
</b></p>
<p>About food&#8230; does the US really have bad food? I follow some US gun bloggers, and the stuff they cook at home seems pretty good. Seems what sucks in the US is fast food.. etc.. and that many people can&#8217;t cook.</p>
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		<title>By: R.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-115244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No on is   &#039;born&#039; hiqh quality, but parental influences are quite important. SO&#039;s may influence their partners to some extent, but most of the wiring is hard to change and already pretty much set. 

&lt;b&gt;
A woman is a woman, their instincts are the same.
&lt;/b&gt;

That is a bit like saying all men are the same. They&#039;re not. 


&lt;b&gt;
You’re never going to find a high quality woman, rather you have to make one.
&lt;/b&gt;

Is the situation in America truly *that* dire? I&#039;ve known the women I mentioned for most of my life, and they were raised to be conscientious and well-behaved. Uni did not change that. In addition to that they are good looking and smart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No on is   &#8216;born&#8217; hiqh quality, but parental influences are quite important. SO&#8217;s may influence their partners to some extent, but most of the wiring is hard to change and already pretty much set. </p>
<p><b><br />
A woman is a woman, their instincts are the same.<br />
</b></p>
<p>That is a bit like saying all men are the same. They&#8217;re not. </p>
<p><b><br />
You’re never going to find a high quality woman, rather you have to make one.<br />
</b></p>
<p>Is the situation in America truly *that* dire? I&#8217;ve known the women I mentioned for most of my life, and they were raised to be conscientious and well-behaved. Uni did not change that. In addition to that they are good looking and smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Antisthenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-115151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antisthenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dire Badger:

MRAs (i.e. the second group) are not part of the Manosphere (the manletsphere maybe), and cannot be NRx in any sense because they adhere to Cathedral logic wholeheartedly, they just want to have its remit extended to their interests.

I&#039;d lump the actually manly part of the manosphere in with the primitivists, personally (I haven&#039;t seen any that would disagree with Donovan&#039;s Oorah! Mountain Man! aesthetics).

Although you&#039;re on the ball in saying that they don&#039;t form a distinct leg of the trike, per se.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dire Badger:</p>
<p>MRAs (i.e. the second group) are not part of the Manosphere (the manletsphere maybe), and cannot be NRx in any sense because they adhere to Cathedral logic wholeheartedly, they just want to have its remit extended to their interests.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d lump the actually manly part of the manosphere in with the primitivists, personally (I haven&#8217;t seen any that would disagree with Donovan&#8217;s Oorah! Mountain Man! aesthetics).</p>
<p>Although you&#8217;re on the ball in saying that they don&#8217;t form a distinct leg of the trike, per se.</p>
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		<title>By: Dire Badger</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-115143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dire Badger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the problems of considering the &#039;manosphere&#039; a fourth leg to to the trichotomy is that there are two very distinct, dramatically opposed, and mutually antagonistic sides.

The &#039;sex realists&#039;, who slide just to the right of the religious traditionalists, and the &#039;loyal opposition&#039;, who are simply &#039;we are victims too&#039; leftists attempting to place themselves as a new minority.


Neither group really justifies adding another psychological &#039;leg&#039; to the stable tripodal structure. Just acknowledging that neoreactionaries MAY be right by any member of the trichotomy automatically stabilizes the structure, and lends to a blended view rather than strict adherence to one of the legs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems of considering the &#8216;manosphere&#8217; a fourth leg to to the trichotomy is that there are two very distinct, dramatically opposed, and mutually antagonistic sides.</p>
<p>The &#8216;sex realists&#8217;, who slide just to the right of the religious traditionalists, and the &#8216;loyal opposition&#8217;, who are simply &#8216;we are victims too&#8217; leftists attempting to place themselves as a new minority.</p>
<p>Neither group really justifies adding another psychological &#8216;leg&#8217; to the stable tripodal structure. Just acknowledging that neoreactionaries MAY be right by any member of the trichotomy automatically stabilizes the structure, and lends to a blended view rather than strict adherence to one of the legs.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnabas</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-114956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barnabas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 02:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From James Burnham
&quot;...political formula rationalizes and justifies its rule and structure of the society over which it rules...the integrity of the political formula is essential for the survival of a given social structure. Changes in the formula, if they are not to destroy the society, must be gradual, not abrupt...A widespread skepticism about the formula will, in time, corrode and disintegrate the social order. It is perhaps for this reason, half-consciously understood, that all strong and long-lived societies have cherished their &quot;traditions&quot; even when, as is usually the case, these traditions have little relation to fact, and even after they can hardly be believed literally by educated men. Rome, Japan, Venice, all such long-enduring states, have been very slow to change the old formulas, the time-honored ways and stories and rituals; and they have been harsh against rationalists who debunk them. This, after all, was the crime for which Athens put Socrates to death. From the point of view of survival, she was probably right in doing so.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From James Burnham<br />
&#8220;&#8230;political formula rationalizes and justifies its rule and structure of the society over which it rules&#8230;the integrity of the political formula is essential for the survival of a given social structure. Changes in the formula, if they are not to destroy the society, must be gradual, not abrupt&#8230;A widespread skepticism about the formula will, in time, corrode and disintegrate the social order. It is perhaps for this reason, half-consciously understood, that all strong and long-lived societies have cherished their &#8220;traditions&#8221; even when, as is usually the case, these traditions have little relation to fact, and even after they can hardly be believed literally by educated men. Rome, Japan, Venice, all such long-enduring states, have been very slow to change the old formulas, the time-honored ways and stories and rituals; and they have been harsh against rationalists who debunk them. This, after all, was the crime for which Athens put Socrates to death. From the point of view of survival, she was probably right in doing so.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-114725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2014 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kgaard,
if you&#039;re not talking personally, then yes the problem is insoluble, like all the other problems of NRx, because our culture refuses even to recognize the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kgaard,<br />
if you&#8217;re not talking personally, then yes the problem is insoluble, like all the other problems of NRx, because our culture refuses even to recognize the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/trike-lines/#comment-114723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2014 14:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every INTJ i know, starting with myself, is a Hall of Fame procrastinator.  Right now I should be assembling shelves, for instance . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every INTJ i know, starting with myself, is a Hall of Fame procrastinator.  Right now I should be assembling shelves, for instance . . .</p>
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