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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/triumph-of-the-will/#comment-2004</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 00:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s fun to see a docile &#039;liberal&#039; explain so clearly why democratization is economically disastrous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fun to see a docile &#8216;liberal&#8217; explain so clearly why democratization is economically disastrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/triumph-of-the-will/#comment-2000</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good call on Chua&#039;s book, Nick. Brave, passionate and highly readable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call on Chua&#8217;s book, Nick. Brave, passionate and highly readable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/triumph-of-the-will/#comment-1618</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;whereas your run-of-the-mill academic socialist isn’t even operating in reality, convinced, as s/he is, that Capitalism is the only thing keeping black and Mexican gangs in South L.A. from joining hands in high-trust solidarity.&quot;

Hahaha. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;whereas your run-of-the-mill academic socialist isn’t even operating in reality, convinced, as s/he is, that Capitalism is the only thing keeping black and Mexican gangs in South L.A. from joining hands in high-trust solidarity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahaha. <img src="http://www.xenosystems.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/triumph-of-the-will/#comment-1615</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ SDL
I&#039;m too much in tune with your latest comment flurry to add anything useful. If I was looking to quibble, I&#039;d probably suggest that Singapore does the multicultural harmony thing rather better than Los Angeles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ SDL<br />
I&#8217;m too much in tune with your latest comment flurry to add anything useful. If I was looking to quibble, I&#8217;d probably suggest that Singapore does the multicultural harmony thing rather better than Los Angeles.</p>
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		<title>By: SDL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; The crew you mention seem to think the alternative to unleashed capital is a socialist utopia (or some grudgingly accepted approximation). They need to be introduced to Thomas. If I had to bet on whose anti-capitalism had more legs, my money would be on the stormtroopers&lt;/i&gt;

Ha!

Indeed, Thomas is probably right to suggest that non or anti-capitalist systems will always be &quot;essentially a doctrine of racial socialism, premised upon natural patterns of life [and] labor&quot; as those patterns are enabled by a particular geographic space and a particular group which has, for generations, inhabited that space (paging Jared Diamond!). 

The theme behind every Utopian story (from &lt;i&gt; The Beach &lt;/i&gt; to the books on my shelves about New England Utopian societies) is that Utopia can remain Utopia only if its inhabitants are homogenous, high-trust, and not prone to over-breeding or inviting in outsiders. So, at least Thomas understands what it takes to be Utopia (population removal and lots of guards at the borders), whereas your run-of-the-mill academic socialist isn&#039;t even operating in reality, convinced, as s/he is, that Capitalism is the only thing keeping black and Mexican gangs in South L.A. from joining hands in high-trust solidarity. (The irony is that capitalism and its diversions are precisely why L.A. can exist at all; I&#039;d say that L.A. and its surrounding suburbs is as good as it gets in terms of racial harmony. It&#039;s nothing less than a capitalist miracle that the tribal violence of South L.A. doesn&#039;t play out everywhere else in the California Southland.) 

Of course, Utopia, once achieved, is by definition stagnant. Utopias will never colonize the stars or hasten the Singularity. Socialist attempts to create welfare Utopias are both stagnant AND unsustainable; put some liberal arts professors and Jezebel editors in charge of a country, and the country will have a lot more to worry about than its technological failures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> The crew you mention seem to think the alternative to unleashed capital is a socialist utopia (or some grudgingly accepted approximation). They need to be introduced to Thomas. If I had to bet on whose anti-capitalism had more legs, my money would be on the stormtroopers</i></p>
<p>Ha!</p>
<p>Indeed, Thomas is probably right to suggest that non or anti-capitalist systems will always be &#8220;essentially a doctrine of racial socialism, premised upon natural patterns of life [and] labor&#8221; as those patterns are enabled by a particular geographic space and a particular group which has, for generations, inhabited that space (paging Jared Diamond!). </p>
<p>The theme behind every Utopian story (from <i> The Beach </i> to the books on my shelves about New England Utopian societies) is that Utopia can remain Utopia only if its inhabitants are homogenous, high-trust, and not prone to over-breeding or inviting in outsiders. So, at least Thomas understands what it takes to be Utopia (population removal and lots of guards at the borders), whereas your run-of-the-mill academic socialist isn&#8217;t even operating in reality, convinced, as s/he is, that Capitalism is the only thing keeping black and Mexican gangs in South L.A. from joining hands in high-trust solidarity. (The irony is that capitalism and its diversions are precisely why L.A. can exist at all; I&#8217;d say that L.A. and its surrounding suburbs is as good as it gets in terms of racial harmony. It&#8217;s nothing less than a capitalist miracle that the tribal violence of South L.A. doesn&#8217;t play out everywhere else in the California Southland.) </p>
<p>Of course, Utopia, once achieved, is by definition stagnant. Utopias will never colonize the stars or hasten the Singularity. Socialist attempts to create welfare Utopias are both stagnant AND unsustainable; put some liberal arts professors and Jezebel editors in charge of a country, and the country will have a lot more to worry about than its technological failures.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/triumph-of-the-will/#comment-1609</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok. Understood in regards to me seeing welfare in a too narrow sense... but lash out: at what, the state? Immigrants? I&#039;m trying to work out where the xenophobia of the nazis is readily adopted by &#039;the children&#039; of the European, modern state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. Understood in regards to me seeing welfare in a too narrow sense&#8230; but lash out: at what, the state? Immigrants? I&#8217;m trying to work out where the xenophobia of the nazis is readily adopted by &#8216;the children&#8217; of the European, modern state.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Welfare&#039; can be interpreted far too narrowly. Europeans expect the government to look after them, to a degree that is clearly unsustainable. After Mummy deteriorates into hopeless alcoholism, and Daddy -- broke and disoriented -- threatens to take some of the goodies away, they lash out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Welfare&#8217; can be interpreted far too narrowly. Europeans expect the government to look after them, to a degree that is clearly unsustainable. After Mummy deteriorates into hopeless alcoholism, and Daddy &#8212; broke and disoriented &#8212; threatens to take some of the goodies away, they lash out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Warburton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you&#039;re effectively saying that the Nietszchean &#039;ressentiment&#039; of the Nazis isn&#039;t a world away from the UK/Europe current plight of welfareness? I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;m following. There&#039;s xenophobia and then there&#039;s the welfare class. They interelate in so much as the welfare class is the upper rung (of the last two) trickling down its ressentiment on to Nigerian Joe just off the banana boat. Sometimes they&#039;re conflated, but almost always by the welfare class and lower-classes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re effectively saying that the Nietszchean &#8216;ressentiment&#8217; of the Nazis isn&#8217;t a world away from the UK/Europe current plight of welfareness? I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;m following. There&#8217;s xenophobia and then there&#8217;s the welfare class. They interelate in so much as the welfare class is the upper rung (of the last two) trickling down its ressentiment on to Nigerian Joe just off the banana boat. Sometimes they&#8217;re conflated, but almost always by the welfare class and lower-classes.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not all fascists are Nazis, but European fascists are especially prone to this (actually rather impractical) version of practical socialism. The Nazi specialism was to export endogeneous dysfunction as aggressive xenophobia -- a &#039;solution&#039; perfectly adapted to the spoilt children of the decadent imperial metropolis, unwilling to learn what it is to make one&#039;s way in an open, competitive world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all fascists are Nazis, but European fascists are especially prone to this (actually rather impractical) version of practical socialism. The Nazi specialism was to export endogeneous dysfunction as aggressive xenophobia &#8212; a &#8216;solution&#8217; perfectly adapted to the spoilt children of the decadent imperial metropolis, unwilling to learn what it is to make one&#8217;s way in an open, competitive world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/triumph-of-the-will/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Warburton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, yes, don&#039;t I just know it. The Q and As were dominated by their emotive, socialist sentiments. Are you reiterating the point that fascism is Europe&#039;s &#039;practical socialism&#039;? I suppose this is a potential danger.Socialism minus the explicit surrender of the individual and the notions of organic volkness, motherland et al. doesn&#039;t stand up well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, don&#8217;t I just know it. The Q and As were dominated by their emotive, socialist sentiments. Are you reiterating the point that fascism is Europe&#8217;s &#8216;practical socialism&#8217;? I suppose this is a potential danger.Socialism minus the explicit surrender of the individual and the notions of organic volkness, motherland et al. doesn&#8217;t stand up well.</p>
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