Trump on Syria

Here‘s the public (Twitter) record, compiled in chronological order from May 2013. Not much indication of ambiguity.

If a nose-dive back into neoconservative meddling follows from this, it’s hard to see what could ever count as a credible commitment again. Anything not on a blockchain will be senseless noise.

ADDED: Things are getting stupid quickly.

April 6, 2017admin 72 Comments »
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  • smg Says:

    If Trump cucks to the neocons, he’s done. The base will never forgive him.

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    Erebus Reply:

    For Trump to respond would make him more than just a cuck and a hypocrite — it would make him a damned fool.

    The official version of events stinks to high heaven. Prima facie, the Russian claim, which is that what we’ve seen was a conventional strike upon a rebel storehouse of chemical weapons, seems infinitely more credible. Leaving aside the obvious issues of motivation and strategic utility, it needs to be pointed out that a properly-executed tactical chemical weapons attack, at night, in a residential neighborhood, would likely have generated many more casualties. (Saddam Hussein killed thousands with chemical weapons, and, at the time, even those attacks were considered sloppy and amateurish.) What’s more, the Syrian casualties we’ve seen look they’ve suffered from a mixture of organophosphate and chlorine poisoning, which is what you’d expect of a mixed-stock warehouse explosion, not a tactical strike with chemical weapons.

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    Son_of_Olorus Reply:

    what is most telling is the fact that almost all the witnesses, describe a strong smell from the attack, of rotten food and chlorine (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/05/syria-chemical-attack-investigators-seek-samples-survivors-sarin-gas,http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/witness-of-syria-chemical-attack-gives-graphic-account-as-death-toll-climbs, https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2015/4/14/strong-evidence-syrian-regime-used-chemical-weapons-in-idlib)- Weaponised Sarin gas has no smell and is colourless so that when it is deployed enemy combatants will only realize that a chemical attack has occurred after its too late. Also handling victims with bare hands as has been seen would usually incapacitate the handlers as Sarin stays on clothing(usually seeps as a liquid) and is easily absorbed through the skin.

    If Assad did carry out the attack it would be caligula levels of stupidity- firstly Assad recently pushed back a very large rebel offensive in Hama led by HTS(al qaeda led alliance of salafists.jihadist), and tillerson said only a few days ago that “the assad must go” policy was on the backburner so why do this now?, the opposition after aleppo have been losing ground constantly- Assad took out wadi baradi, Deir Hafer and has squeezed the rebels with multiple offensives in damascus, aleppo, east ghouta and most recenty held off an offensive in Latakia as well- The only force that has made any gains against assad has been the al-qaeda led coalition- if we move in and bomb Syria – HTS will pour out of idlib into Homs and a new civil war will begin between the remaining elements of the alawite population resisting Genocide in latakia, along with christians and other minorities trying to survive the jihadist onslaught. The ineffectual and smaller “FSA” in Damascus(led by ex-army and democratic) will have to fight HTS and Ansar al Sham (totalling ~40,000-70,000 against there 5,000-10,000), for there to be any hope of a democratic, western looking regime taking over- the real moderates the SDF, will simply stand on the sidelines taking out ISIS, even if they wanted to enact federalisation via the Rojava constitution- turkey will invade to stop them and probably would anyway to kick the Kurds out along the turkish border – a kind of turkish islamist invasion (erdogan allied himself with HTS before to fight the Kurds in Afrin and Manbij BTW).

    The end result will be even more refugees than ever, HTS and Ansar al sham will probably also start a war with each other as they have already done multiple times in Idlib before- Either way the main population centres of syria will be ruled over like rural areas of saudi arabia, under sharia law and by a clerical council- and al-qaeda warlords like Abu mohammad al-julani, mass executions will occur for those that do not convert, the war will spill over into Lebanon and Hezbollah will be threatened(probably leading to another lebanese civil war) for their support for assad. Not only this but al-qaedas capability to launch a war of terrorism against the west due to them gaining vast amounts of weaponry and chemical weapons/ability to produce them as a result of the war will be massively increased- It will be a total disaster.

    The fundamental question that the west has failed to answer in regard to the syrian civil war- is who is going to takeover after Assad is gone? – because so far i have seen no answer from those who want to see his removal.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    William Hearst would have loved to have seen himself survived by the New York Times.

    Their readership clearly doesn’t remember Richard Lloyd and Theodore Postol’s “Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence in the Damascus Nerve Agent Attack of August 21, 2013”.

    And their editorial board obviously has, without embarrassment, long since forgotten writing about it.

    Bald military adventurism garbed in humanitarianism; you have to respect the grasp at the dialectic.

    More military adventurism calls for more humanitarianism and more humanitarianism calls for more military adventurism: a perfect circle.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Military humanism circuit

    J Reply:

    Are your arguments relevant at all? Assad sold his country to the ayatollahs, isn’t that bad enough?

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    smg Reply:

    No.

    Son_of_Olorus Reply:

    Assad has played this as best as he possibly could, by stoking the sectarian aspects of the war and making sure that a moderate takeover from the civil war will not be feasibly possible- he has made himself a necessity- a schelling point between his rule and the Wests’ fear of a jihad spilling out of the middle east just like Saddam did with the Iranians. Assad recognized the issue with syrias development was the culture itself, but he was not willing to give up power that soon, is there an alternative and if there was- would things ever change? Would selling the country to the Islamist Turks and the Gulf States/Saudi Arabia be any better than the Ayatollahs- in hindsight one would see picking any side is equally foolish when it comes to the ME- Syria was always going to be a pawn played for the greater ME war- It is only a question of what our interests should be there to begin with? no?, seems that you cant win against Gnon in the long run but you can trick yourself into thinking that you did- It seems like this is what Assad realized and so did the opposition with him. I found this article quite enlightening about him and particular his personality-

    https://newrepublic.com/article/115993/bashar-al-assad-profile-syrias-mass-murderer

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  • Chris P. Michaels Says:

    He must be playing 5D Go, there’s no way he’s stupid enough to change his stance after all this time.

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  • Silverspeed Says:

    Oh dear, the God-Emperor has been gulled by the neo-cons.

    Only took two-n-a-bit months.

    Was fun while it lasted.

    Looks like the great unravelling is back on course.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Trump is not God-Emperor. He’s merely the prefiguration. Just to heat the pot to make the frogs mutate, into princes

    TMNF takes years

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  • Wagner Says:

    Could be Machiavellian psyops on Trump’s part. The permanent government and anti-Trump demos pointing at Demon Trump, Trump deflects their point by pointing at Demon Assad, attempting to employ the age-old monkey-hypnotism of uniting against a common enemy. In one fell swoop Trump kowtows to the maternal urge of “those poor brown babies!” and scapegoats the Arab Badman™. We can’t rule out that Bannon and therefore Moldbug are potentially behind this move, not to mention the Girardian Psychic Thiel. I highly doubt Trump is letting Ivanka tell daddy what to do like some are speculating.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “He is one of the president’s closest and most trusted advisers,” a White House source told CNBC when asked why Bannon attended [the first NSC meeting after being removed].

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/06/trump-top-adviser-steve-bannon-attends-nsc-meeting-one-day-after-being-removed/

    h/t @paleodeadlift

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    Frank Reply:

    Trump’s obviously playing everyone — again. I mean, come on people, how many times does he have to pull a hat trick before you start giving him more credit.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Master/slave perspectivism separates the cocks from the hens. Few will get this but w/e.

    If we want to go further down the rabbit-hole: Are Land’s “XS posts” #fakenews? I mean, let’s think about it, wouldn’t it be stupid for Bannon (slash Bannon-puppet) to not employ Land’s IQ? That means that everything “admin” posts here is suspect.

    The cyber-meatheads and anime-jerkoffs are “wigging out” atm and it’s hilarious. Nobody is probing subterranean-Trumpism. You really think all those anti-Syrian intervention tweets Donny twot a few years ago were forgotten by him? It’s all a game. Trump is leading up to spreading his palm and pimp-slapping the Deep State, and it’s hilarious.

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    Frank Reply:

    Yep. It’s incredible how many times a machiavellian can play dumb and get away with it. I wonder if people will get their lesson after things turn out suspiciously conveniently for Trump, or if they’ll attribute it, yet again, to dumb luck. I also noticed that Cernovich is pushing a particularly dumb narrative about how this is about Trump’s weakness for children. My suspicion is that Cerno is coordinating with Trump’s team to create the extremely costly and hard to manufacture signal that (1) Trump is easy to manipulate (I mean, really, it’s scarcely believable that people can still be convinced of this), (2) Trump will play nice with the Ziocons (by “falling” hook line and sinker for intelligence community reports), and (3) any option, including war, is on the table when it comes to foreign affairs.

    The outrage from hardcore Trump fans and supporters is exactly what you need to pull off this signal. I mean, how dumb would you have to be to alienate your base, to take a risk that (a) has no upside, but only downside for you, (b) has no downside, but only upside for your enemies.

    Pretending to buy completely into intelligence community narrative and faking moral outrage based on it, is exactly giving all the rope they (IC) need to hang themselves. This summer is going to be a bloodbath for the deep state.

    Wagner Reply:

    Observing the altright groupthink hysterics of the last couple days I’m rapidly coldening up to Admin’s dismissal of the movement as popurist. I always thought it was a synchronicity Nietzsche’s creature of choice for the exoteric over the esoteric was the frog, which perceives from the bottom UP rather than from the top DOWN.

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Wagner and Frank are right.

    Trump just took away their Russia card.

    He is also buying them with Dreams and that may be all they are of Warbuck$$

    The Deep State is the Green Zone kids getting fat and middle aged. Always venal and ever more complacent. They just won bad relations with Russia battle and lost their impeachment war.

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  • Severian Says:

    Maybe this is the CIA’s price to leave him alone?

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  • Son_of_Olorus Says:

    @

    Even if Assad did carry out those attacks- the consequence of intervention will be simply be a quickening of the Islamic death vortex- Syrias main export will soon become “pictures of poor dead kids” and terrorists. Its funny really because either if Assad wins or loses (dies), the west will lose either way, we will either get a Russian/Iranian run Assad state hostile to israel(like the good ole days) and the west or a fundamentalist salafist state- the only meaningful difference is one is an enemy we know and the other is an enemy we don’t.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    The former British ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford, certainly doubts that Assad did it (“he may be brutal but he’s not mad”), although the stockpile explosion scenario is equally doubtful as any chemical weapons would most likely be incinerated in such an explosion (or so the BBC cited “experts” say).

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    Erebus Reply:

    >the stockpile explosion scenario is equally doubtful as any chemical weapons would most likely be incinerated in such an explosion (or so the BBC cited “experts” say).

    Some “experts.”

    A) The Syrian Air Force wasn’t using goddamn napalm. (Too American a tactic, that.)

    B) Can’t incinerate chlorine, no matter what they were using. And it sure looks like it was chlorine.

    C) Even at very high temperatures, the thermal decomposition of organic nerve agents like sarin would take time. The heat generated from a missile strike is both very transient and very unevenly applied. If a room full of barrels of sarin were struck with a direct hit, some sarin would definitely go airborne, even if most of the sarin in the room decomposes.

    D) There doesn’t need to have been a direct hit. All that needs to happen is container rupture. The bombs could have fallen a block away — but if a single barrel full of sarin or chlorine fell from its shelf and sprung a leak, that’s more than enough for a few telegenic casualties.

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    Son_of_Olorus Reply:

    Well now it looks like trump has set up his redline- He’s managed to achieve several goals all at once, hes shutdown the russian cahoots narrative, hes proven to everyone that hes unpredictable and unlike obama has a spine, aswell as shutting up the Neocons and everyone else, the media now seems to love him however the damage to assad doesnt seem to be that crippling. Hes going tic for tac here, that doesnt mean hes gone to the neocon side, hes subverting everyone- hes nobodies puppet- should have been obvious- i dont want to see Assad go but it seems that Trump is playing it so that he stays until the war is won then peacetime, he has to go- i dont see anyway out longterm other than this, thats the only scenario that he comes out on top for following this policy- unless by some miracle the “FSA” somehow win against the jihadists and everyone else.

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Who was it who posted here after the inauguration, “We’re gonna have one hell of a hangover after this”?

    Play Cathedral games, get Cathedral prizes.

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  • Ur-mail Says:

    Smells of a cheap attempt to win back points in the DC power bubble.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    If his new stance is genuine, it’s one of the few ways he can prevent the Union from unravelling in the near future. (As opposed to the near-mid future.) By bowing to and joining the elite, he begins the disillusionment process of the electorate. The Union won’t fall until they go through the mythological five stages of grief and then their extinction burst. Basically, they’ll try to find Trump 2.0 instead of quitting immediately.

    Right now his team is a dissonant element in the White House harmony. It’s chaos up there. He’s been quiet because the correct management thing to do is reharmonize the offices. To his tune of course. However, if he’s quashed, the electorate will immediately realize POTUS has no power. No extinction burst. “POTUS wants X. But X is not occurring. Oh shit.”

    However, if he’s successful, then the White House becomes a dissonant element in DC as a whole, meaning in USG as a whole. This cannot be reharmonized. It’s too big. One or the other will have to be destroyed, and the Union with it.

    There is one possible hole in my theory: Rome considered itself a republic long into the empire period. I could have also been gulled this way. Perhaps democracy really truly ended long ago, and the only real coming change will be the psychological self-image of the voters. Well, former voters, I suppose.

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    Jesus christ. Fuck this gay earth.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Best comment.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You guys are #woke.

    Hysterical chimp-out vs. long-term pragmatism

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Oh no Cryptogen, someone replied to his own comment somewhere

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Told you this nigga was Deep State

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    https://twitter.com/schakalsynthetc/status/850434311664922624

    I’m expecting this is accurate

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  • Michael Rothblatt Says:

    In other news, Moldbug comes out in support of the single payer:

    Curtis Yarvin, a Silicon Valley programmer whose writings under the pen name Mencius Moldbug helped launch the neoreactionary branch of the alt-right, told me he welcomes the movement’s trend toward single-payer, viewing it as a “sincere effort to think realistically in the present tense rather than in abstract ideology.”

    FROM: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/4/15164598/alt-right-single-payer-health-care-trump

    It would’ve been better had the sea hag won. At least with her we knew what we were getting.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Key word: ‘effort.’ As in, an attempt. As in, they didn’t succeed.

    Good to see ketman is still highly effective though.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    Amercian healthcare is already so screwed up by the government that single payer would be an improvement. However… current system allows for some wiggle room, whereas single payer does not.

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    TheDividualist Reply:

    This is all about waking up from libertarianism. Once you realize you were never really against using government, but you were against the wrong people using it for the wrong purposes, no way back. The reason one did not realize it before that it sounded far too horrible: because in the 20th century both left and right wanted to pretend they want to help the poor. The darkness of the 21st century is realizing and admitting it is not so: the Left always cared about power, not help, and the Right mostly wants to help people of their own race. Once you got this down and start thinking about how to modify socialism that it actually helps white people and it is not about power nor about helping everybody, a single-payer option is pretty much up on the list.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    >Once you got this down and start thinking about how to modify socialism that it actually helps white people

    If you care about a group and want to help said group, the last thing you should wish upon said group is socialism… in whatever way, shape, or form.

    >Once you realize you were never really against using government

    No, pragmatic libertarianism that you describe is more about what guarantee do you have that government will work for you and yours and not for your enemies? As we’ve seen with Trump, absolutely none.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Yes, because no journalist has ever taken anything Moldbug ever said out of context, even a little bit. What’s so bad about the Nazis, anyway? (And shame on Land for not considering this rather obvious possibility when he twatted about it earlier.)

    (That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if Moldbug wasn’t for singlepayer. Why shouldn’t a sovereign patchwork realm provide a Singapore styled system for example, if that’s what it’s owners wanted to do?)

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    wu-wei Reply:

    I meant of course, that if Moldbug was for singlepayer healthcare, that wouldn’t be surprising I think.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    >That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if Moldbug wasn’t for singlepayer. Why shouldn’t a sovereign patchwork realm provide a Singapore styled system for example, if that’s what it’s owners wanted to do?

    We’ve been over this. Those in Power do what they want. But, from there it does not follow that all their decisions are equal, or right.

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    Tsaekasith Reply:

    I doubt Moldbug would call himself Alt-Right. So its hardly an endorsement. What it might show is that he wants his own tribe to focus more on demo-political monkeyplay over theoretical squabbles.

    As for this, what’s amusing is just how easy it is to satisfy these self-styled elites with a show. A mass of talking heads and blue ticks make superficial whining demands for ”action” and Trump puts on a show to which they respond with thunderous applause and disbelieving smirks of duped superiority. The supporters aren’t Trump’s dupes, the pundits are. Though Trump’s manipulating everyone in some sense or another whether he intends to or not. Trump wants to be liberal-democracy’s Gorbachev, not its Yeltsin.

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  • john b. mackelmore Says:

    “NRx” neo-cam patchwork is “dead” because there is not one mention of “blockchain” in the comment section

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    Frank Reply:

    Political babbling didn’t create manorialism, gun powder, printing press, internet, public key cryptography, blockchain; and it won’t create patchwork. NRx was a public red pill dispensary to free the only minds that may be capable of consequential action in a non-trivial time horizon. Time only will tell if it worked.

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  • Seth Largo Says:

    The only sliver of hope at this point is the report (verified by AP and Reuters) that Trump gave the Russians and, ipso facto, the Syrians fair warning about the attack. I hope the phone call went something like this:

    “Hey, guys, I got the neocons and the white woman do-gooders breathing down my neck about this gas attack thing. I don’t know if ol’ Bashar had anything to do with it, and I don’t give a shit, whatever. But I gotta do something to show I’m not a pussy and to get the do-gooders off my jock. I’m gonna launch some big missiles at an air base, here are the coordinates, I’ll give you a few hours to clear out anything important. Just trying to save face here, fellas, you know the drill. After this, just knock it off with the chemical weapons and we’ll be square.”

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    It would be a better story if there were some secret communications a week or so earlier, where Trump is complaining about being accused of being Putin’s puppet, and Assad volunteers to launch a chemical weapon attack, for a price, if Putin will supply the chemical weapons.

    It would be better still if we could work Sarah Palin into it somehow. I’ve got to start watching South Park again.

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  • Shaktipat Rotorvator Says:

    It was a symbolic, not a real attack. A false attack in answer to a false flag. Syrian warplanes took off from the unharmed runways of the airbase within few hours to resume bombing of al-Qaeda/ISIS.

    Judgment on whether this is Trump going fullblown neo-cuck or doing brilliant 5th dimensional chess should be withheld until we see what follows Tillerson’s trip to Moscow.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    The middle way tends to be the best way, but I am leaning toward retardation as an explanation.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Trump calling them “beautiful babies” was one of the tells for me that it wasn’t Kushner and Ivanka influencing him like the tards are conspiracy-theorizing. He’d never say that. He’s obviously playing to the estrogen-left.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Wagnie and Cryptie have taken on some of each others traits. Altered beast. All hail the new flesh.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    In addition to signaling to Kim Jong Un, quashing the Russia meme, making normie libs and neocons feel reassured, and getting Ivanka off his back, perhaps he wanted to slough off the alt-right. That would go some way to explaining Bannon’s removal too.

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  • Asher Says:

    State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies – Nietzsche

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  • Wagner Says:

    @the altright reaction to Trump’s alleged cucking:

    “Still you will do anything but serve!” – Moldbug, “The Anarchy”

    The point of the order of rank, the point of the monarchy, is that the Sovereign does things that you do not understand but submit to anyway. The kneejerk disavowal of Trump for one move not to our liking is evidence that the “democratic personality” is still alive and well in Amerikwa.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    the point of the monarchy, is that the Sovereign does things that you do not understand but submit to anyway.

    Do you know of any examples of this from European history? First thing I can think of is the monarch converting to Christianity. First thing in western history (as ‘Europe’ didn’t exist until after the Romans) I can think of would probably be some bad decision by a bad emperor.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The pre-republic Romans expelled their monarchs because of the latter’s bad decisions.

    » Tarquinius Priscus.—The first of these new kings, it is said, came from the Etruscan city of Tarquinii, from which he derived his name. The story is told that, as he approached the city, an eagle came from the sky, and, lifting his cap from his head, replaced it. His wife, who was skilled in the Etruscan art of augury, regarded the eagle as a messenger from heaven, and its act as a sign that her husband was to acquire honor and power. At the death of Ancus Marcius, Tarquinius became king. He carried on many wars with the neighboring peoples, the Latins and the Sabines. He was great in peace as well as in war. He drained the city, improved the Forum, and founded a temple to Jupiter on the Capitoline hill. After a reign of thirty-eight years, he was treacherously slain by the sons of Ancus Marcius.

    Servius Tullius.—The next king was Servius Tullius, who is said to have been the son of a slave in the royal household, and whom the gods favored by mysterious signs. He proved a worthy successor to the first Tarquin. He made a treaty with the Latins, by which Rome was acknowledged as the head of Latium; and as a sign of this union, he built a temple to Diana on the Aventine hill. He enlarged the city and inclosed the seven hills within a single wall. After a reign of forty-four years, he was murdered by his own son-in-law, who became the next king.

    Tarquinius Superbus.—Tradition represents the last king, Tarquinius Superbus, as a cruel despot. He obtained the throne by murder, and ruled without the consent of the senate or the people. He loved power and pomp. He continued the wars with the Latins. He also waged war with the Volscians on the southern borders of Latium; and with the spoils there obtained he finished the temple of Jupiter on the Capitoline hill. Although he scorned religion, it is related that he was induced to buy the Sibylline books from the inspired prophetess of Cumae. It is also said that later in life he was frightened by strange dreams, and sent his two sons, with his nephew Brutus, to consult the Greek oracle at Delphi. To one question asked the oracle, the response was given that the person who first kissed his mother should succeed to the power of Tarquin. Brutus showed that he was the person intended, by falling and kissing the earth, the common mother of all. The traditions tell us how at last the proud Tarquin was driven from the throne and the kingdom was ended. »

    http://www.forumromanum.org/history/morey04.html

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    Wagner Reply:

    It belongs apriori to the master/slave relation or for that matter employer/employee relation that the latter has an inferior grasp of the reality of a given situation. If you’re not loyally following orders you’re a democrat, anarchist, libertarian, whatever you want to call it, it’s all the same thing: a rejection of hierarchy. The altright immediately (see: impulsively) divines that Trump is compromised, as if they have an understanding of the total situation better than he, Bannon, puppetmaster-Moldbug, etc. This is simian-American every-man-his-own-king mentality. Let it play out for a while instead of spasming to conclusions, this is a longterm game; as we know the Cathedral has its roots in deep, “deeper than the day ever thought”. Many have forgotten this is a democracy; if you don’t schmooze the People, you lose. Last I checked Drudge 65% of Americans think the bombing was a good thing. Trump needs to figure out how to not be tarred and feathered by the media 24/7, as maggot-writhing shit like saturday night live has a way of shaping its subjects similar to fundamentalist christianity of yore, which is to say, totally and subjectivity-obliteratingly.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    There is a lot one can take from the master/slave dialectic but what I understand to be at the periphery of the master/slave myth is that community and law are the result of equipollence.

    Equipollence can turn otherwise hot wars cold.

    Laws evolved so that the strongest members of a community would apprize mutualism and cooptation over war with an equipollent adversary with no assurable outcome. The others in the community follow the law or fight to change it, becoming equipollent in the process or, failing to do so, paying the penalty with their lives. This latter notion is commonly called revolution.

    Such a viewpoint allows us to see the Westphalian system as a momentary point in a dynamism and not as the absolute state of man’s relations.

    Democracy is of a different order and is not commensurate with the master/slave relationship except as one of its possible forms of mediation. Son of Erik mentioned monarchy, which is another.

    But as the mediacy of democracy becomes intermediated by elective representation, the master/slave dialectic resurfaces again without mediation and popular sovereignty becomes a pantomime appropriate for public theatre.

    The question is how to institute democracy as unmediated. Remember Wagner, we spoke about Rousseau’s ‘sovereignty of the people’ and Marshall Applewhite as lawgiver. I’m afraid he’s gone from us far to soon. Applewhite, not Rousseau.

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  • inquiry Says:

    Wagnuh:
    >Observing the altright groupthink hysterics of the last couple days I’m rapidly coldening up to Admin’s dismissal of the movement as popurist.
    Explain further. Why?

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    Wagner Reply:

    “Popurist” is an inside-joke I use to try to keep the sediment of Land’s conviction too densely packed, and “populism”, at least to me, has become interchangeable with demotism, or in other words herd-behavior. I’ve been on twitter only a few months so I’m sort of an outsider looking in and right off the bat I could sense the same sort of absence of independence which originally repelled me from the left. The altright-base doesn’t *think*, it conforms to the assertions of a handful of ideologues. Opinion is almost always homogeneous (hegemonic) and in this case with the reaction to the bombing it has become starkly clear that this is a stampede we’re dealing with here, *not* a radical group of thoughtcriminals like most of them fashion themselves to be. Land was right when back in November he said “The Alt-Right isn’t as clever as it thinks it is, but then, given the opposition, it doesn’t need to be.” Compared to the left you’re human beings, but frankly you’re comparing yourselves to people who aren’t human beings, so to pat yourselves on the back would be baseless self-aggrandizement. I don’t think many are interested in Aristocracy, it’s more like they want to whine about teh System and muh Oppression like the tepid leftists before them. Some are cool, like Paul Town (sometimes) and @GENIC0N but even my faves seem to notice the ethos is shifting and hop aboard the bandwagon just so they’re not demonized and left behind.

    “Instead of the comradeship of persons all of whom are their genuine selves, we have the spurious friendship of a gang whose motto is ‘You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.’ The important thing is not to be a spoilsport when pleasure is afoot; to be outwardly respectful to all; to show indignation when one is sure that others will do the same; to join in log-rolling to the common advantage–and so on.” – Jaspers

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Twitter is incredibly democratic. Thus any community on it de facto becomes aspectually democratic in modus operandi and modus vivendi. It’s literally a voting platform for 140 character sentences. It will at least somewhat capture your forma mentis, less for the comparatively rare differentiated or xeno type. Popularity does go to peoples heads. Always approach others with mental caution and experimentality. Humans extend beyond themselves and are infectious. Participate too much in the community and the community participates back.

    Not everyone who thinks he’s not a populist is not a populist.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Nothing social is absolutely uniform

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    » flourished in the ordinary language of Catullus’ time and was occasionally, despite its apparent illogicality or redundancy, accepted by users with ideals of correctness. »

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    «Empirical Approaches to Language Typology 18 —
    Adver[s]ial Subordination: A Typology and History of Adverbial Subordinators Based on European Languages», Bernd Kortmann, 1996.

    Gotta love the modern world.

    *geek-with-glasses-smiley*

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    These are his substance, sinewes, armes, and strength, With which he … Razeth your Cities, and subverts your Townes.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    There’s essentially an article on the Xenosystems commentarium here.

    “Land is rayciss because there are racists commenting on his blog.”

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Oh, it’s some estrogrey little wanker who gets angry about programmatics culture and sad about that people use Windows.

    » King Lewis held nothing in Italy but the lanterne of Genes, which afterward the Genouais razed to the ground. »

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    From a comment: the unacceptable conclusions are also inescapable, within his system — but the system can (and should) be re-evaluated in that light.

    Feels bad, meng, let’s try something else.

    Oh, and for the record, if they can get out of their fundamentalist funk, I’m sure there will be a good number of Muslims on board the spaceship to Mars—mostly Persians, though.

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  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    Interesting quotation from “James g” over at Samizdata:

    “Fascinatingly, this action hasn’t been used by his critics as evidence of all the terrible things they tell us Trump is. I presume the reason is that Trump ‘did it for the murdered kids’ and virtue signalling justice warrior types can’t allow any suggestion that by criticising Trump they don’t care about dead children. So, in these crazy times we live in, Trump has largely silenced the charge that he is a dangerous maverick… by bombing people.”

    https://www.samizdata.net/2017/04/question-was-trumps-strike-on-syria-motivated-by-geopolitical-considerations-or/#comment-730959

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    Wagner Reply:

    Pete I felt the urge to tell you to slap your wife for once but NVM you’re on board the 3dchess game meme.

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    Wagner Reply:

    A nice hard slap, don’t kid around. A nice WAP. The sensation of spanking on face as well as hand. Human faces are buttcheeks, many forget this.

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  • Wagner Says:

    3 words to describe the frogtwitter reaction to the bombing of Assad:

    LOW
    IMPULSE
    CONTROL

    I thought your guys’s whole shtick was that you’re not niggers or womyn. Oops.

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    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    Immaterial sniping.

    Social media, twitter especially, is an intrinsically high time preference medium by design; to use it is to shorten the time horizon of your opining, its inherent to the system.

    It is like the equivalent of someone walking up to you in a bar and saying ‘hey trump just launched missiles at syria’ and provoking an exclamation of incredulity at this development.

    Only in this case, such transient streams of consciousness are happening to be elevated above their station, enshrined and archived instead indefinitely.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Now hold your horses! — while you’ve astutely described the quality of socmedia—environ-structure causating its own culture moduses or milieu habits — Wagner’s description of that wasn’t totally immaterial. It hints at culture matching a typification historically associated with womyn and lower races : human heat opining or impulsive judgement (heat-of-the-affair impulsively calling-it) as opposed to sangfroid observation and consciously limited estimation. More boys are into Science than girls, because of bioformal make-up.

    While I think this definitely has to do with biological inheritance, I would not associate it with women, because there are a lot of women into scientific or elaborate reasoning-based thought. However, I have made Wagnie’s message more explicable.

    He was essentially saying he thought the quick and trumpy reactions were of a class of behavior lower than suitable for a discerning enough norm, whatever the cultural supposed excusato may be or not.

    Implicit in it is that the described socmedia callers are disloyal, for their swanky infatuousness.

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