Comments on: Twitter cuts (#2)

By: nydwracu

nydwracu — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 23:43:28 +0000

Rather than a cuddle pile, it’s an illustration that neither of these categories are compliments or insults. They can all go right and they can all go wrong.

Yeah, that was the intent. The Atlantean cold-secessionist voluntary-phyleticism-only thing can give you Singapore, but it can also give you bay bonobos.

It’s certainly clarifying — I can’t think of a good Turanian political leader/movement that gained power. Maybe some will show up if the categories are clarified further.

(I suspect that there’s an Atlantean/Turanian dichotomy with Hyperborean layered on top as a specific response to specific conditions, which can either succeed at the necessary work or fuck up horribly.)

By: Alrenous

Alrenous — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:41:43 +0000

I don’t know if Dugin himself buys that, but Hyperboreans in general don’t seem to. Russians aren’t anti-tech.
But, focusing on the aspects of technology that are indisputably uprooting, Hyperboreans are clearly more skeptical than Atlanteans. Indeed it often seems that Atlanteans embrace technology because of its uprooting nature rather than despite it. It’s a reflection of the seminomadic ways of the sea – or perhaps both are reflections of some deep part of Atlantean culture.

By: The Electric Philosopher

The Electric Philosopher — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:59:27 +0000

I dunno. I view (in my admitted ignorance) the Hyperborean/Atlantean dichotomy as purely conceptual, ultimately as something like a hyperstition- by all means, call my a filthy postmodern deconstructivist degenerate. Largely that’s because I’m not sure how much I buy into HBD, and at least that kind of clade-centric HBD; not being a geneticist, I prefer to declare epoche on the subject while admitting the possibility that ‘these things do matter.’ But I digress.

The point I wanted to make, and this is why I asked about the Atlantean view on technology, is that I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if Dugin borrows Heidegger’s notion of the uprooting characteristic of technological revelation. That is, that Gestell (‘positionality’ or ‘enframing’, as in, to position the thing into a calculable matrix) uproots us from our attachedness to the earth, to the sky, to one another, our culture and so on, and so on. One can then understand a little more clearly the fear of capitalism (at least, techno-global capitalism) found among Hyperborean thinkers.

Bloody hell, that was a clumsy reply.

By: Izak

Izak — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:30:00 +0000

Not really buying the Turanian category.

By: Alrenous

Alrenous — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:06:21 +0000

More disruptive-tech friendly, yes. Especially if, as I recently heard, the Soviet scientists were like 70% German by blood. Notably England, a more Atlantic place you cannot find, is peopled by a variety of German. I mean, I'm not great at pegging clade by sight, but doesn't this guy look like a German with a Russian name?

By: scientism

scientism — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:51:43 +0000

Proposal: eye-tracking studies of people looking at maps to objectively categorise them.

By: The Electric Philosopher

The Electric Philosopher — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:45:14 +0000

Almost certainly Atlantean here, assuming I’ve understood the definitions right. Seems much more fun and, ultimately, adaptable (and thus sustainable). If I recall what I’ve read about Dugin correctly, it’s something like: Atlantean- mercantile, permissive or at least diverse, more free market and freedom friendly. Hyperborean is more ‘conservative,’ hierarchical, tied to the soil and history in a Heideggerean sense. No clue what to make of this third category. I’m actually fairly ignorant of these positions, could anyone tell me if the the Atlantean spirit is more tech-friendly?

By: Nick B. Steves

Nick B. Steves — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:15:04 +0000

TBH, I could use a For Dummies post on this new taxonomic system. I still think I’m Atlantean-ISH… but I’ve never been less sure.

By: admin

admin — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:51:44 +0000

Don’t those two sentences directly contradict each other? Cultural units acquire descriptive labels from sheer pattern recognition.

By: Hurlock

Hurlock — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:51:30 +0000

“did Nydwracu just throw me into a freaking cuddle pile?”

On the bright side, Anissimov is in the same category with Kim-Jong Un and Stalin.