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The reef upon which WN inevitably founders:

(A reminder.)

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  • Twitter cuts (#25) | Neoreactive Says:

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  • Y. Ilan Says:

    It is entirely evident to me (and probably to anyone who has or had to work with a large enough group of people) that humanity as it is is not worth conserving. Too many weaklings, too many fools creating too many obstacles in the way of the efficient outcome of affairs, and so on. Such an understanding does not, however, preclude my own feelings of ethnic solidarity; perhaps it is an instinctive and healthy feeling based on evolutionary pressures, but whatever such a feeling is I think that it is certainly a useful feature in the creation and maintenance of societies. Even if one is a complete psychopath (not that I am) it is still efficient to feign and act on ethnic solidarity, at least in a comparatively closely-knit society such as Israel.

    White Nationalists should, as I see it, keep to a local way of looking at things; instead of bombastic pan-White rhetoric, spend more time on organic growth.

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    michael Reply:

    First I disagree we are not worth preserving i think even the most primitive breeds are worth preserving in some small game parks if you will sans the ak47s and nike
    when you get a large group you need to find a place for everyone the wekest are well aware of their status and are usually quite grateful to be herded into position,

    White nationalists probably serve a good purpose no theyre never going to get duke elected but if they all disappeared tomorrow the left would continue to fabricate them as they did while they almost went extinct the past few decades, since the left has become so openly anti white they need to be confronted as with memes like cuck and racism = anti white its going to be suppressed as much as possible but it will get through in a plain and simple way to plain and simple folk who need hope.Im not agnostic on the jewish question but think thats the weakest part of their movement well that and any actual hateful talk because it opens them to nazi accusations instead of a militant white defense posture, I have a theory the jews can be flipped if theyre not afraid we will come for them eventually just my opinion

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    Anon314 Reply:

    The animosity Jews have towards whites makes any sort of alliance an exercise in futlity. I would go as far as to describe the relationship of Jews and whites to be like the fable of the frog and the scorpion. The scorpion asks the frog to carry him across a stream on its back. The frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion says, “Because if I do, I will die too.” They set out, but in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp “Why?” The scorpion replies, “Its my nature…”

    Jews know they cant survive against the onslaught of minorities without whites, but that doesnt change the fact they all the same will join hands with their future exterminators in order to destroy whites. Because that is their nature.

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    Richard P. Reply:

    Timeless analogy well worth remembering as the Zionist wars in the Middle East continue to force mass migrations of Muslims and Africans into Europe.

    Y. Ilan Reply:

    I feel much safer knowing that my country controls the vehemency of the Sunni – Shi’a civil war.

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  • Mr. P Says:

    Nationalism, or extended tribalism, is healthy, but self-declared Nationalists — White as well as Jewish and Arab ones (some more-so than others) — are generally inferior specimens, and their intellectuals tend to be severely biased and dishonest. HBD is subversive precisely because it isn’t constrained by any particularist ideological context. Nationalism, however, is a zero-sum game; it is dialectical. In practice, accepting WN entails becoming inimical to other-Ns; browse even semi-literate sites like MyPostingCareer and see for yourself. Nationalists lack a proper sense of purpose: preserving your race is fine, but beyond that, Nationalism is a waste of time, at best. I’d be surprised if WNs, of all people, will manage to preserve the White race.

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  • Michael Anissimov Says:

    Somehow your argument is that it’s self-evident that Whites who want to preserve Whites are not deserving of life? What?

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    Yvjrolu Reply:

    If I understand his point, it’s that Whites really really fucking hate Whites Who Want to Preserve Whites, which undermines the whole thing.

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    michael Reply:

    yeah but thats like so 1990 the question is how many and what precisely do they think and feel. trump is now at 32% and while i wouldnt get my hopes up i could see a scenario where he starts to pull democrats hes actually doing ok with blacks browns and cunts while plainly running on a alpha white platform, what people actually want and say they want are not the same. I remember a study that found in college classrooms a leftist professor could completely cower kids into submission but if there was one outspoken defender in opposition he could often turn the class around.

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    Yvjrolu Reply:

    too bad trump didn’t run 20 years ago

    You could always get people to oppose immigration, but at this point demo change is baked into the cake. Only way to preserve the “ethnic core” now is with mass repatriation, which there isn’t the will for.

    The International Community Reply:

    Right — just as the subliterate humanities credentialites who whine about techies wanting people like them to rule believe the world should be run by subliterate humanities credentialites, and disagree with their impression of techies only because they aren’t techies (and couldn’t be if they wanted to, which threatens to cut them off from the power that they’re addicted to), the masochistic SWPLs who whine about WNs wanting genocide would be perfectly happy about the death of all white people who aren’t SWPLs, just as long as it isn’t too gory to upset their precious little vegan stomachs.

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  • spandrell Says:

    Vanitas vanitatis…

    Look, if all is signaling, then the question is which signaling produces the better consequences.

    Signaling your edginess by proclaiming that white people per se are dumb/fallen/evil results in Baltimore and 800,000 refugees in Germany.

    Signaling your tribalism by proclaiming that the white race is awesome and must be kept pure results in Nazi wannabeism, which apparently is lots of fun but it’s not very consequential.

    I say we focus less on trying to build an edgy online persona (who gives a shit?) and more on coming up with useful signaling to get us out of this mess.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    If I say something that I actually believe is true, when is and isn’t that all “signalling”?

    Do we have to play that all is signalling in order to be NRx?

    Did you interpret @Neal_Dewing’s twit as equivalent to the statement that “white people per se are dumb/fallen/evil”?

    Who’s really attempting to build up an edgy online persona right now: you or Neal Dewing?

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    spandrell Reply:

    Given the data you have, and that you can’t actually go to personally confirm every detail, what makes you “actually believe” anything is true? Especially making moral judgments, which can’t by definition be true.

    Moral judgments are often claimed to be “true” or “false”, but that’s just signaling the strength of your conviction. They aren’t actually true or false.

    A claim like “the ethnic core of European-descended peoples isn’t worth conserving” doesn’t really mean anything. It’s actual meaning is “I want everybody who reads this to know I don’t want to be associated with WN or anybody like them”.

    He is of course entitled to thus signal his choice of associates; but what sort of associates does such signaling get you? Are those good people? Civilized people with families who we want to have high status? I don’t know.

    To “be NRx” apparently you have to like both Nick Land and Michael Anissimov, so good luck with that. If you want to understand what I write about you probably should think that most speech is signaling.

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    wenshuang Reply:

    “which can’t by definition be true.”

    I doubt this. Insofar as moral judgments are relative to some particular telos, they are more or less productive. They can be relatively true if not absolutely true in a pragmatic sense and in some important ways are not unique claims.

    Deogolwulf Reply:

    “moral judgments . . . can’t by definition be true.”

    Petitio principii makes the world of argument go round. (Has this misuse of “by definition” no end?) Even if your moral nihilism were true, namely, that moral judgements can’t be true, it would not be true by definition. Still, you are in the comfortable, perhaps unassailable, position of having a ready defence for anything you might say: anything said against is just signalling. No argument need ever be given up for lost.

    SVErshov Reply:

    differences drive flows, signaling differences can accelerate flow. that is what everybody who is anybody doing nowadays. just to get over with this hell as fast as possible. and then what – everything will be perfect. world on wrong drugs, too much of meth and coke and antidepressants with alcohol.

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    michael Reply:

    did you see trump trolling jeb today funny jeb apparently tried to walk back his stab at manliness using the term “anchor baby” by claiming it was a distraction and besides he meant more asian anchors than hispanic.
    Trump tweeted pretty much just repeated jebs own words back to him then pronounced the attempted ploy pathetic and weak.
    deft signaling went right to the whole racial scoring system

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  • Dale Rooster Says:

    I was planning on writing a defense of what some WNs call “petty nationalism”. Both aesthetically and politically, local folk (“petty”) nationalism arguably could be superior to any sort of pan–dare I say–universalist, white nationalism. (And these various traditions that have developed local folk nationalisms were/are usually always ethnically homogenous.) We’ll see if I have time to get to it next week. Despite how much I’ve enjoyed watching Conservative Inc. cringe in fear the last month or so, I do hope the issue does not become a test for ideological purity within the alt-rightosphere itself…not a WN? You must be a “cuck”!

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    michael Reply:

    I would never say that, but I think HBD is the ingredient that takes traditional views on religion and culture, and affinity for capitalism technology, and transforms them into something greater than their sum.
    Some would argue its despondency about democracy and certainly MM centered that. but since monarchism and cameralism are a hazy cloud almost a decade later and all sorts of people from De Tocqueville to Theil have been pessimistic about democracy I think its more the trust in the similar mechanism of evolution and capitalism that define DENRX. And unlike some in these parts Im not so impressed with east Asians, Nothing against but if I had to bet on a race Id bet on the European one which is great because its mine I like it A lot. in fact I would be willing to accept a lower productivity etc to live in a European nation. Things like your Idea about micro ethnicities within always have facinated me cornish welsh highlander scott basque etc really cool so is all human HBD part of what I most hate about the leftist plan is they will wipe this out not just mine but all over the planet sad. So I get theres a big WN vs NRX fight and dont think the WN can win with their strategy [though we live in interesting times and i think they are gaining some] I also sometimes wonder if DENRX grasps how pivotal HBD is or if I have misconstrued. In short I hope everyone gets that without white majority countries theirs no DENRX

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    anti-hermetic Reply:

    “I would be willing to accept a lower productivity etc to live in a European nation.”

    Lower productivity Catholics were defeated by higher productivity Protestants. Lower productivity sincere Protestants were defeated by higher productivity Free Masons and atheists. Lower productivity conservatives of today are defeated by higher productivity white and Jewish liberals.

    Lower productivity is not viable for those whose enemies will not live and let live.

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    michael Reply:

    like i said my moneys on us white boys see zero evidence asia has anything on on their 3 IQ points does them no good but anyway when competitors are close threes not the problem you anticipate.too many variables not genetically related natural resources geopolitical advantage etc.japans problem is not a lack of diversity thats one of their strengths

    Anon314 Reply:

    If you despise WN, hope for their failure, and wish NRx would “disown” them, then yeah, youre a cuckservative. On the other hand, if you accept these people exist, wish them well, but still would never join them, then youre fine. WN is a faction within the Alternative Right, and as long as you accept that and arent calling for their purging, then it warrants no further discussion. But you must tolerate their existence to pass the litmus test.

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    admin Reply:

    NRx should, of course, disown them, and has done since its inception. “Tolerate their existence”? It would be great if they had their own state(s), facilitating their physical removal from cosmopolitan civilization. (The same goes for any other kind of populist mass movement.) As for your ‘litmus test’ — it has no authority in NRx whatsoever.

    Simple fact is: You lower the tone. Deal with it (elsewhere, preferably).

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    Anon314 Reply:

    No, he does not advocate to disown WN: “It should be obvious that, although I am not a white nationalist, I am not exactly allergic to the stuff…So we see that, at present, in the real world of 2007, there is no coherent moral or practical reason to shun white nationalism…Of course, I am not a white nationalist. I am not arguing that you should be a white nationalist. I am just suggesting that there are many bad reasons not to be a white nationalist…So why am I not a white nationalist? I am not a white nationalist because I don’t find white nationalism useful or effective. I don’t feel it helps me accurately perceive reality. In fact, I think it distorts reality. And I believe white nationalism is a very ineffective political device for solving the very real problems about which it complains.” In other words, WN is a dead-end. Thats the main reason to avoid going that route. Because it has no future and offers nothing to build upon. However, there will always be people who will walk that path to see for themselves. And we should not be cutting them off altogether for doing so. In fact, as Ive said before, WN acts a buffer against entryists. Thats what I mean by litmus test. People who cant tolerate their existence that they might form some country somewhere to live by themselves makes them shriek like banshees. These are the same people who could never accept any of the other basic concepts of NRx anyway.

    I understand your distaste for them since you are now obsessed with respectability, but you need to accept that there are those who dont share your outrage at WN. Either theyll find their way out or they dont. Regardless, theyre not enemies.

    admin Reply:

    “since you are now obsessed with respectability” — oh, come on!

    Far more smart and interesting people are being driven away by this tedious stuff than are being attracted by it. It’s not that complicated.

    admin Reply:

    We could do a quick poll, but I suspect most of the people here would greet the news of their daughter dating a street-level WN with roughly the same enthusiasm they’d meet a marriage proposal from a Somali war-lord.

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    Anon314 Reply:

    So…your point? Allies under the present order does not necessitate co-existence under the same future NRx order. You wouldnt want to live in a secular traditionalist society, and I sure as hell wouldnt want to live under your techno-commercialist/futurist society. The Christians and the ethno-nationalists can also go there separate ways, assuming theyre still around by then.

    admin Reply:

    Sure, give them a state. If I thought they were more whole-heartedly focused on geopolitical fragmentation, it might even seem positively cooperative (but unfortunately the fascist chic thing they seem unable to throw off gets in the way of that). Libertarian-types are far more trustworthy in that respect, as well as being more generally thoughtful (whatever their hobbling naiveties). As you say, a state for the religious trads too, but why stop there? Give the commies one, too — it would get them out of everyone’s hair.

    This is a place to thrash out ideas, rather than to conspire to take power, so I see no reason for any greater intimacy than basic tolerance.

    Chris B Reply:

    “NRx should, of course, disown them, and has done since its inception.” Is it even remotely that simple?

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    admin Reply:

    You know, some of us stuck with the fight, rather than threatening to flounce off and hand them the keys. Either help maintain the electric fence, or leave us to get on with it.

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    Chris B Reply:

    Read the post you linked. That’s not a rejection of WN -it’s an attempt at conversion. “Of course, I am not a white nationalist. I am not arguing that you should be a white nationalist. I am just suggesting that there are many bad reasons not to be a white nationalist.” And “I am not a white nationalist because I don’t find white nationalism useful or effective. I don’t feel it helps me accurately perceive reality. In fact, I think it distorts reality. And I believe white nationalism is a very ineffective political device for solving the very real problems about which it complains.”

    He just throws in a more detailed De Jouvenelian high-low against middle and Schmitt theory of the partisan. You are going to have to face the Carlyle core of the whole thing at some point.

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    admin Reply:

    Convert who? You know full well the pond Moldbug is fishing in, so try to be realistic about it.

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    Chris B Reply:

    “Convert who? ” “I am just suggesting that there are many bad reasons not to be a white nationalist” and “I am not a white nationalist because I don’t find white nationalism useful or effective.” seems to me he went for conversion of both sides. As always, he is consistent in maintaining that each side is merely incomplete whilst aiming for something completely alien.

    Also, his lauding of colonial governers and the likes of Lee Kuan Yew seems exceptionally influenced by Carlyle (and Froude). Pretty sure a reading of Dr Francia will set you on edge though, as it is not exactly hyper capitalism as a cure all.

    (https://books.google.com.tw/books?id=-yeaAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA547&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)

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  • Mark Citadel Says:

    White nationalism is essentially retarded. Romanian nationalism, Russian nationalism, Danish nationalism, fine. But ‘white’ nationalism is a joke, just as much of a joke as Col. Qaddafi claiming to represent all Africans when really everyone who was actually black laughed at him when his back was turned. The Occident is a racial amalgamation with some intra-similarity, but it can never cohesively hold a ‘white nationalism’. White isn’t a nation.

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    michael Reply:

    im not a “WN” but Im an american white who would like his nation to maintain or regain its historic national character.I think NZ Australia etc will have similar dynamics and if the EU continues, soon it will be hard to distinguish what makes the EU countries you mention materially different from the US.
    I understand your point both practically and from a propaganda perspective and am not insisting the lads at stormfront are handling the problem optimally.But if you are saying there is no problem with making countries like the US minority white then we certainly disagree. The US is a mutt but its not a wolf its a dog it may in fact have hybrid vigor,My family and those I know have been able to maintain our secondary ethnicity for generations within the US without consciously practicing exclusivity and while a lot of americans no longer know or care they know they are not black or amerindian. Jews are well aware what they are and who all the other noteworthy jews are. Frankly I dont even know what you are getting at are you denying the success of US NZ AUS etc are unrelated to their “whiteness” thats absurd. I surely agree its important the different european ethnicities are preserved and that its a different grain of preservation but that hardly nullifies the need to preserve the diaspora.
    Certainly the left has made whiteness a one way meme and while i agree one needs to be clever in one dog whistles I cant really see a way around confronting the anti white meme with anything other than a pro white meme because as you point out their is no ancient ethnicity to point to. If we tried to use wasp or germanic as a proxy we would only alienate the others. The tactic must be to use “american” pay lip service to african american slave descendants and american indians even use them to triangulate against mexicans africans etc and let everyone do the translation in their head what it means to them.

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    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Then I wouldn’t really consider this ‘white nationalism’ as such, since this would imply solidarity among all Occidental peoples as one ‘nation’, which means that all white Americans would exist in the same nation as Estonians. What I think you’re getting at is that the white races constituting America have been so mongrelized (more-so I think than the AUS and NZ, though I could be wrong), that it is impossible to extract nations from within this melting pot.

    If so, a case has to be made, are we seeing the birth of a new nation, in the spiritual sense of what a ‘nation’ means. Is ‘American’ now a nation, and if it is then we must speak of American nationalism, making the case that the success of America, and thus the heir to its racial legacy is down to whites and whites alone. African transplants don’t have a case, nor to those from across the southern border. The only real Americans are white Americans. This is the view that should be forwarded if white Americans want to see themselves not as just a racial group within a multi-ethnic country, but a nation that deserves self-determination apart from the minorities who so often terrorize it.

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    michael Reply:

    I think until recently that was understood its since been undermined with a thin wedge first a pleading for some special exceptions ,whites being the great people they were went along not seeing the trap,i dont think we could simply say at this point real americans are white but i think we could signal that we mean real america is what we were within living memory mostly white with exceptions for jews and african americans.Because i think its possible if a long shot and the alternative is to terrible to contemplate.
    So no I dont think WNs strategy of pan whiteness is a sale but i do think its worth supporting to the greatest extent we can safely basically a reverse ratchet.

    Orthodox Reply:

    A lot of whites in America self-identify as American. It is the largest self-reported ethnicity in the American south. Conflating whiteness with Americanness (what TRS describes as white presenting nationalism, i.e. Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson are Americans, as is Obama technically based on his personal life) is a great way to signal. It pushes out the tard WNs who can’t do fractions, but opens up many new possibilities because it fits in with the message of assimilation.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    But America is a nation and it’s the one the Americans have got.

    Men who want to survive always defend what they’ve got and their own. Those who don’t aren’t men.

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    Mark Citadel Reply:

    There is a difference between country and nation. If there is an American nation, then it is exclusively white, but under invasion by hostile races.

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    What do you think of open borders for Israel?

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    Yvjrolu Reply:

    this isn’t the knock down argument you think it is, since I guarantee he isn’t pro open borders for russia, denmark, or the us

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    Of course. What would be the point of being ‘anti’ a fait accompli?

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  • michael Says:

    I think its best framed as ,all people have a right to a “safe space” a place where their culture is honored, nurtured and can flourish and be passed on to their children with pride and confidence. That the european diaspora is not excepted from this need and right simply because of the success of their nations. That any serious acceptance of democracy and self dertermination values must recognize the peoples of the european diaspora have been very clear for decades they are not in favor of self destructing their civilizations on the alter of a progressively curated new world order of pseudo capitalist consumerism foisted on them by globe trotting davostype elites.
    That while a little immigration and diversity is a good thing, when it reaches a point where demands are put on the founding culture to change to suit the guests, thats rude and technically genocide.The fact that several of the European founded countries have a particular pre european indiginous population in no rational way de legitimizes the right, in fact it makes it more important that the delicate balance and detante of two cultures not be interfered with.
    That massive third world immigration into the european diaspora does not even help the third world it is a brain drain on countries in dire need of their most talented,and outlet for the social forces in the third world needed to force third world leaders to better manage those countries. It also causes a continuance of demographic vectors that are unsustainable.
    Any argument that western civilization owes the world some debt of reparations payable through reparations through massive immigration followed by welfare and affirmative action is specious nonsense not worth serious debate. Redistribution of first world asserts to third world immigrants is an even stupider type of communism than class based communism.
    But for those stupid enough to insist that this is sane and just anyway it should be pointed out its almost instantly counterproductive to the goals of such idiots. Turning european diaspora countries into predominantly third world countries will just as quickly wreck any value those countries have to transfer.In another generation their could be no western world with which to heal the third world. Also historical record of mul;ticultural civilizations shows a pattern of oppressive tyranny to keep peace followed by collapse and genocide
    To think that western nations will continue to operate and produce like western nations without western peoples is absurd.Any who believe such a thing ought to be able to much more simply make non western nation simply adopt the habits and mechanism of western nations obviating the need for the decimation of the european peoples and the mass migration of world populations. But of course this hasn’t worked too well.

    In short use existing progressive memes of culture value, local ism, self determination/democracy, and anti globalism/capitalism/consumerism. Sure the academic mandarins and goldman sachs wont be fooled but enough of the commoners will be that it could trend,unfortunately trump cant hit this note but hes demonstrating theres an audiance as is happening in aus nz uk france greece etc

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  • Ham Man Says:

    Truly curious. There is a wider scale, frankly quite simple political issue gone unmentioned here.

    The issue of self-preservation of majority Anglo nations in Germany or the UK. It is, of course, a general thing. The context being that being a “German” or being “Germanic” or being “Anglo-Saxon,” and to some extent standing for these aspects of the locality has been purged from the selfhood of the interior and exterior of these societies as thinkable or considerate in the basic sense. It is a matter of mental codification in terms of personhood more than that of any more complex pattern of replication.

    I have found it amazing to watch as even the most supposedly “right” thinkers become horrified or repulsed by the mere idea of speaking the words: “I support a European Europe.” And meaning it without much concern otherwise. Even this precept fails to adorn the most primitive of conversation. Through its simplicity it adorns within and without.

    The topic can hardly be breached before the point at which it is even conceivable in paradigmatic thinking.

    Poorly in the eyes of her heinous crimesetting, we all often cansee or hear the momentum of terror and both carapiced inought and innate thought. The platitude of mongrels filibustered thru a locality. All neednaught beinter ested inthe samething nein.

    There is a sequel to the first Willy Wonka book. Allgemein im sequestered bloom.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    White don’t real.
    Don’t let your enemies define your words for you. Don’t let your enemies choose your allies for you.

    WN owes its entire existence to its putative mortal enemy – without progressivism, nobody would know or care about a white nation. Maybe e.g. British nation, not white.

    I mean duh, Jews are white. So really it’s white-except-jews nationalism. Plus that whole ‘are slavs white?’ Well, have one shoot a Trayvon, find out what the media calls him.

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    Yvjrolu Reply:

    I’m pretty sure that Whiteness is just former Christendom.

    Explains why Jews aren’t usually included, hints at why Odinist WN is stillborn.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Signalling is talk. Talk only means anything if backed by action.

    We defend who we are, what we are and that’s the fate of all men, races, nations, peoples who survive as opposed to the many who have vanished from History.

    History does indeed belong to those who show up but often that’s because they won by fighting and not just by whelping litters.

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  • n/a Says:

    Nice concern trolling, Nick.

    Yes, white people positively enjoy being ethnically displaced. This is why the architects of the 1965 Immigration Act announced up front it would drive the white population share of the US towards zero.

    Attorney General Robert Kennedy said in Senate hearings in 1964 that abolishing the restrictions on the Asia-Pacific Triangle would result in “approximately 5,000 [immigrants] . . .after which immigration from that source would virtually disappear.” As a Senator in 1965 he testified that abolishing the European tilt of the national origins system and placing emphasis on family reunification would maintain the status quo as to nations of origins. “The [proposed new] distribution of limited quota immigration can have no significant effect on the ethnic balance of the United States,” and “the net increase attributable to this bill would be at most 50,000 a year . . .”19 “Our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually,” prophesied Senator Edward Kennedy: “Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same.”20 No one openly recommended what would turn out to be the bill’s two chief results, increasing the volume of immigration back to the million a year range prior to 1920s restriction, or the idea that it was time for the nation aspiring to lead the world to be ethno-racially altered so as to resemble that world rather than the nation that had grown out of 13 British colonies augmented by African labor.

    http://npg.org/library/forum-series/a-vast-social-experiment-the-immigration-act-of-1965.html

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  • n/a Says:

    It’s why immigration is so popular in the UK:

    Immigration is currently highly salient and in recent years has consistently ranked in the top five ‘most important issues’ as selected by the British public.

    Approximately three quarters of people in Britain currently favour reducing immigration. [. . .]

    Preferences for reduced migration are not new

    Opposition to the arrival of immigrants in the UK is not new. Rising concern about ‘New Commonwealth’ immigration prompted the British Election Study (BES) to begin asking the public about immigration as far back as 1964, although in those early years it did not ask the question to ‘coloured’ respondents. Throughout this period, the overwhelming majority of people in Britain have agreed that there are too many immigrants in the UK.

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-concern

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    vimothy Reply:

    Basically, it’s the liberal ‘Brahmin’ elite that are committed to open borders uber alles, — at least in the UK — and the liberal elite who are being identified one-to-one with “white people”.

    Even if this were not true and all people in the west were in favour of open borders, this would only end the argument if we took people’s disposition on the matter to be a fait accompli, a given which brooked no argument. But people are (at least potentially) open to influence, argument, change, etc, etc, which after all is largely how we got into this mess in the first place.

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  • michael Says:

    If this is what it seems then I hope youre all well armed and in North Idaho

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-25/devaluation-stunner-china-has-dumped-100-billion-treasurys-past-two-weeks

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  • Chris B Says:

    Under conditions of natural sorting, no one collects in to multicultural “utopias” unless they have a high economic incentive, and even then they still group ethnically. Your Singapore example is no different.

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  • Frog Do Says:

    Reading up on old versions of roleplaying games, I found a transition that is interesting. In the earlier versions of Dungeons and Dragons, alignment was more team based, “who are you aligned with practically”. Everyone more or less accepted that going into dungeons and fighting dragons was what everyone was doing anyway. This later changed to “who are you aligned with philosophically”, as hack-n-slash games came under criticism from the narrative-driven part of the market. As soon as the transition happened, discussion of alignment got trapped in an endless discussion of the Strong Alignment Hypothesis (alignments are straightjackets and dumb) versus the Weak Alignment Hypothesis (they’re really more guidelines).

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  • OLF Says:

    WNs rail against immigration, but as our admin likes to point out, Western countries became Socialist sties even before mass immigration. Sweden is the poster boy for that saying that the easiest way to end up with small fortune is to start with big fortune. They became rich (via Capitalism) and then squandered it (via Social Democracy) in two generations. The paradox is in that if the white race deserved to be saved, in wouldn’t need saving!

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  • Andrew Says:

    The reef upon which WN inevitably founders:

    I disagree. It’s precisely the fact that whites in the US increasingly don’t have ethnic identities and are a mix of various white ethnicities and that the “ethnic core” of WASPs has been declining demographically and culturally that supports WN. WN is sort of founded on these trends.

    Europe still has more robust ethnic identities, but even in Europe there’s more inter European migration and mixing than ever before along with Americanization, and these trends may continue there into the future.

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  • admin Says:

    Libertarians might be as confused as WNs, in their own way, but their average genetic quality is vastly superior.

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  • Andrew Says:

    You have to understand that in the American context, libertarianism is the primary alternative political ideology to mainstream liberal and conservative, Democratic and Republican politics. Thus it tends to attract people who are simply disillusioned with mainstream politics and looking for alternatives. This means that a lot of the libertarians in the US are not really libertarian by inclination or directly attracted to libertarianism, but rather latch themselves to the primary alternative in the US, which happens to be libertarianism.

    Genuine libertarianism is basically a WASP ideology, and only a subset of some WASPs really subscribe to it. That’s why you have Southerners and Catholic ethnics, who are the sons and grandsons of Democrat voters and FDR supporters and who left the Democratic Party after it turned to non-white identity politics and would likely still be Democrats otherwise, turn to libertarianism for a bit before realizing that they’re not libertarian at all and turn to WN instead. They don’t have a libertarian bone in their bodies, but call themselves libertarians for a bit simply because they’re looking for alternatives, and libertarianism is the primary alternative in the US. They realize that they were never really attracted to libertarianism in the first place, but that it was just there, and so end up with something more in line with what they were seeking, such as WN.

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    Erebus Reply:

    How is libertarianism a WASP ideology? Both Mises and Rothbard were Jewish, and most modern libertarians are of the Silicon Valley school. (What Scott Alexander called the “Grey Tribe” — which is broadly white/Asian/Jewish, and has very little to do with old East Coast WASPs. Most of these people, regardless of ethnicity, are intelligent SWPLs.)

    If libertarianism somehow becomes confused with white natonalism, it’s only in the sense that both ideologies necessarily lead to outcomes that would (eventually) favor the white race, as opposed to society’s wretched victim classes. Strict egalitarianism is racist, as people and races are inherently unequal.

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