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Obnoxious ‘Alt-Right’ trolling explained (well):



There’s no realistic prospect it’s going to stop.

January 20, 2016admin 47 Comments »
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  • Harold Says:

    Not really. The alt-right is racist. The alt-right doesn’t want Jonah to stop being afraid of being called racist. They want him to become irrelevant, since there is no chance of him becoming racist.

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    Reichsführer Gordon Reply:

    ^this.

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    Erebus Reply:

    …To say nothing of the fact that Goldberg has been the chief standard-bearer of 21st century Neoconservatism. (A fact which he appears to be trying to distance himself from.)

    Goldberg is worthless. He’s a mediocre thinker, he is inherently dishonest, and the way he treated John Derbyshire was disgraceful. We should all want him to become irrelevant.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Let’s remember mommy goldberg got him the platform and what she did to get famous.

    If you don’t recall Lucianne Goldberg leaked Monica Lewinski’s girl talk about the affair with Clinton to Drudge – which is what put Drudge on the Map. Drudge leaked the story on the then still novel web when NBC wouldn’t run with it.

    So mommy is about 0.5 degrees from smut peddler and certainly a professional gossip.

    I know many are young here so the review: that is the real start of Clinton’s impeachment.

    Having lived through all that it’s really tough to take NRO drama’s seriously again.

    Nor should you, and Goldberg should indeed become irrelevant.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Goldberg is a Jewish Supremecist, so he is a racist – just not the good kind.

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    Posted on January 20th, 2016 at 10:21 am Reply | Quote
  • Lord Auch Says:

    I’m sure Jonah will figure it out – he’s a quick study.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Many religious people were incredibly brilliant, but denied reality in the face of basically every bit of evidence in existence. If you take MacDonald seriously Goldberg may also have neurotic tendencies that will make his ‘seeing the light’ even more impossible. Also, Goldberg sounds fucking retarded sometimes, i.e. Gottfried’s criticisms of his ‘liberal fascist’ nonsense.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    You have a link for Gottfried?
    Fascism in fact seems highly liberal to me.

    I’m fairly confident on my responsible/irresponsible spectrum definition. Fascism is not a responsibility-respecting institution.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I think it’s much more complex and multi-polar. Fascism is a cousin of liberalism, like Communism, but it is also reactionary and ‘rightist’ (though I think left/right is nonsense outside of bourgeousie democracy, i.e. according to most libertarians Frederick Barbarossa would be a leftist, which is ridiculous). Fascism is a failed attempt to adopt reactionary agendas to revolutionary politics, and even though failed we shouldn’t deny that it had genuinely traditionalist and non-leftist radicalism in both its roots and its practices. To put it bluntly, ‘spectrum’ politics is basically nonsense, IMO, because complex objects do not exist on a spectrum any more than real-world entities have ‘opposites’ – these are false simplifications due to hardware limits in human thinking and its tribalist/jungle origins. Just Google Gottfried Goldberg, there are about 3 articles available at Unz and LRC that will inform you.oyt Re: Fascism read Payne (best) or Griffon (2nd best), most interpretations of fascism are based on @

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    technical interruption, ctd: interpretations of fascism are based on propaganda, historical lies and A-priori historicizing. Remember, when Hitler chose a President for Vichy France the man he picked was an anarchist. Think about that.

    Posted on January 20th, 2016 at 11:25 am Reply | Quote
  • John Says:

    Alt Right is slowly but steadily eroding the hermetic seal of the narrative bubble. A key part of that is exposing outer party shills as the controlled opposition they are. With Trump giving alt right memes a backdoor entry into mainstream discourse, things are gaining momentum rapidly.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Goldberg is normally an insightful writer. I also have trouble blaming him for his fear of Nordic-influenced nationalists. But the fact is, if Israeli nationalism is legitimate, so is Nordic nationalism, and we should work together.

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    nydwracu Reply:

    The Nordic nationalists have good reasons to hope to work with the Israeli nationalists, but the Israeli nationalists don’t have a whole lot of incentive to work with the Nordic nationalists.

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    Helvena Reply:

    a communist jew is a jewish nationalist. a capitalist jew is a jewish nationalist, an anarchist jew is a jewish nationalist, an israeli jew is a jewish nationalist. can you wrap your head around the problem? think common denominator and then wise up.

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    D. Reply:

    There is such a thing as a Swedish nationalism, Norwegian nationalism, Danish nationalism, and Finnish nationalism, but it’s as meaningful to speak of a “Nordic nationalism” as to speak of a European nationalism.

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    TheDividualist Reply:

    Nationalism is often used interchangibly with ethnic consciousness.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Nordic nationalism is constructive and self-reliant, Jewish nationalism is parasitic and undermines Western civilization. In substantial, self-reinforcing numbers Jews are just as bad as Basketball Americans; they are not compatible with European culture (granted outliers, Sowell, Mises, etc.) I am not a nationalist, myself, I have no race loyalty, but this seems to me an obvious difference.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Race realism: Jews are currently parasitic.

    Antisemitism: Jews have to be parasitic.

    The latter precludes surrender. As per Sun Tzu, you want your enemies to be able to surrender.

    The solution has always been simple: stop letting criminals get away with it. If race is an issue, it will be addressed automatically. Coding race into the law directly merely expresses a lack of faith in the law’s ability to prevent crime. If such a lack of faith is justified, the problem is not racial blindness, the problem is the whole system need to be reworked.

    Of course America was founded as a fundamentally criminal enterprise, and has largely continued in that tradition, so a certain sympathy for the criminal element is hardly unexpected. Not that this is unusual among great states.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Look, I get the idea that solid institutions filter against problematic genotypes, even if they’re very common (e.g. Sowell would not be discriminated against because he is not a loafing criminal, even if many BA’s are) but there’s also no reason not to have extremely restrictive private institutions that seek to avoid universalist nonsense (everyone does not need the same laws, morals) and actually reflects the tendencies. I’m not suggesting we take over SovCorp and oven the Rothbards, I am suggesting that when you build your microstate ‘no Jews can own property here’ might be sensible. And if the Jews don’t like it they can go live in Israel, not my problem.

    Posted on January 20th, 2016 at 2:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • Mark Citadel Says:

    Alt-Right are doing precisely what John said, cracking the hermetic seal of leftist acceptability, and what will leak through the cracks is the real radicalism that lies behind the Alt-Right. The ‘cuckolds’ have no idea what is coming. They actually think its all just memes and fashy anime stuff. How wrong they are.

    Also, possible ‘Happening’ in progress?

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/20/global-markets-routed/
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/20/global-banker-world-faces-epic-wave-of-corporate-bankruptcies/
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/20/europe-panics/

    Better not be. We need more time.

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    frank Reply:

    Don’t worry. I’m sure Yellen’s already warming up the printing presses along with helicopter engines.

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  • Orthodox Says:

    Scott Adams explained it perfectly back in September: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/128267369491/the-tells-for-cognitive-dissonance

    “Trump isn’t trying to change your mind on the facts. He knows voters are in cognitive dissonance half the time or more. Trump is changing who we are, until our self-images match his argument.

    Don’t believe me? Wait until you see how many people that now oppose Trump’s immigration plan suddenly turn into people who understand we need a wall because good fences make good neighbors.

    And you’re a good neighbor, right?

    That’s just one way Trump could win you over by keeping his argument the same and modifying your self-image.”

    This is the game that is being played at the moment, people who want to play it should act accordingly. The way to win is to attack the Narrative, not debate policy. The trolling of the conservakin is mainly to wake them up to the battle that is really going on, one level up. The voters support left-wing progressives because they think that’s what good and smart people do. If you want to play in democratic politics, then you go straight at these claims. The progressives are mentally ill, stupid, traitors, etc. Then we will shift into a right-wing world where supporting tax increases means you want to murder white people, instead of tax cuts meaning you want to kill black people. Yay democracy.

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    John Reply:

    >> The way to win is to attack the Narrative, not debate policy.

    This exactly. The bulk of people do actually believe in the narrative (to a greater or lesser degree). As long as that reality frame is dominant, “right wing” ideas will always be, by definition, “evil” and thus socially unacceptable.

    There is no way for the right to win without fracturing the narrative and replacing it with something more hospitable. Fortunately, the narrative has diverged so far from reality, and lead to so many disastrous policy choices, that it’s already cracking under it’s own weight.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    idk..I think trump has to actually win before we can call it a success . Even if he wins, congress will be much harder than a boardroom

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    John Hannon Reply:

    ‘The voters support left-wing progressives because they think that’s what good and smart people do.”

    And a significant factor in this situation being maintained is the left’s ownership of popular comedy. Being denounced as evil is as nothing in comparison with being lampooned and made fun of, and the right simply can’t compete in this area. Take for example such well established BBC radio shows as The News Quiz, The Now Show and Mark Steel’s In Town, where week after week the right is presented as a laughing stock and a source of endless amusement. Such relentless ridicule and mockery is impossible to counter by rational argument, and – worst of all – some of it is actually quite witty –

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01p720p#play

    “Attacking the Narrative” will only be completely successful when the jokes have worn thin and the laughter rings hollow.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “And a significant factor in this situation being maintained is the left’s ownership of popular comedy. Being denounced as evil is as nothing in comparison with being lampooned and made fun of, and the right simply can’t compete in this area.”

    One day you goys will believe me about how important /pol/ is.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    I really wish I could follow the goys into /pol/, but I know they’re kidding on the square with dem oven jokes. That’s a bridge too far for me. VXXC has the right idea; we need to hold individuals and not groups accountable.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    The fact of nepotism (and in particular the nepotistic practices of one group I’m thinking of) in-group preference and subversion of host societies makes your absolute individual/group distincition unsustainable. The actions of Merkel, Sarkozy, Soros, Kissinger et al are incomprehensible unless you hold the clan responsible in some sense.

    Or is NRx just cuckservatism for cyberpunks?

    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    What group are you thinking of? If it’s Judaism: Merkel doesn’t have a Jewish bone in her body, and Sarkozy has one Jewish grandparent and was raised Catholic by parents who were both born and raised Catholic. (I had to look that up).

    If “Jewish” means everybody who uses power to implement anti-white policies, then yeah, “Jews” are really bad and we’d need to oven them. If “Jewish” means people with Jewish ethnicity, then the picture is complicated by the fact that some of our most effective allies are Jewish.

    I think Jewish conspiracy is neither necessary nor sufficient to comprehend what is happening to the West. There are Jewish conspiracies, but unless you deprive gentile whites of agency (e.g., they’re puppets to an all-powerful Jewish cabal), it doesn’t explain why Merkel and her party, and the 58% of germans who (until Cologne) supported her party, have chosen to do this.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “Merkel doesn’t have a Jewish bone in her body”

    Are you for real m8?

    D. Reply:

    It would be churlish to blame all Protestants and Catholics for the actions of the destructive elite.

    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    If she does, then link the source. What I’ve read is that she doesn’t.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “What I’ve read is that she doesn’t.”

    I’ve also read that Obama is Jesus.

    (btw, Kasner is a Jewish name)

    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    So, you’re full of shit?

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    I reserve the right to well-founded suspicion.

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  • Grotesque Body Says:

    If Trump keeps on rekking the Overton Window this hard, NRx might even have to re-evaluate its #AAA pro-Hillary stance.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    (By the way, NRx and #AAA aren’t coextensive.)

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    #AAA is pretty badass though, in the sense that ‘Let terror be the order of the day,’ disposes of Robespierres sooner or later.

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  • spandrell Says:

    The altright should understand that Jonah GOLDBERG is, well Jonah GOLDBERG.

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    Lord Auch Reply:

    Very important to note that Jonah is NOT a cuck.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    Lord Auch, did you mean to enclose this in sarcasm tags?

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    Erebus Reply:

    No. Jews can’t be cucks, as they are the ones doing the cucking. As per /pol/, anyway…

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Names not Groups.

    This isn’t sentiment it’s calculation. The names are dangerous, if you waste your resources on the group the dangerous names escape. You will miss your chance. You never have all the time in the world when you’re hunting men. I have learned this the hard way hunting other men. You will regret missing the actual evil ones as I do to this day.

    Dragging your own innocents across the Trail to escape: This is actually long practice of many villains in history, for you who look at the dismaying high percentage of one group staffing our enemies camp take note: This is actually their best practice since Isabella’s Spain. Marrano is a group but also a method: the Conversos were the worst Inquisitors of Jews. This no ancient history, Soros himself practiced Marrano as method in Hungary selling off property seized by less fortunate Jews. Even Moldbug raised it in detail in UR with the Story of Kriminal Kommissar Krupp the Death Camp Commander and that his accomplices were Jews in it for the money.

    Names not groups applies in general. Mind you there are certain groups that need to return to their homeland. This a different matter – dangerous individuals need to be dealt with as enemies and not displaced persons.

    Genocide is also very wasteful. It’s unnecessary. Hitler’s madness was mirroring his enemies and indeed even Germany’s competitors. Lebenschraum was about getting a large enough internal market to compete with the United States. We need to win, not mirror the enemy. Just Victory and masters of our own lands is more than enough.

    Enough work for a lifetime – heh heh – and indeed many lifetimes.

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    Helvena Reply:

    interesting and worth thinking about. But we know Hitler didn’t go after all the jews, though he named the jew. And Celine’s words come to mind, something to the effect that I knew they(germans) had lost when they didn’t go door to door. And then there is the biological reality. So I’ll think about it always keeping in mind the goal is to rule ourselves.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    PS – Jonah isn’t dangerous.

    He’s a mediocre tame hack in NRO. Mommy got him in by pimping Monica and then leaking the details to Drudge.

    By all means tweet cuck him out but don’t spend too many hate calories on it.
    You’ll need your hate calories for the real work. This too I have learned.

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  • Lightning Round – 2016/01/27 | Free Northerner Says:

    […] Alt-right trolls explained. […]

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  • R. J. Moore II Says:

    It’s also just good humor, often vulgar but with an amazingly well-informed undertone to much of it. This is why I like it, as much as Alt-Right can annoy me with their low-brow constituents, the trolling of verbotten topics by intelligent and angry, literate men is absolutely bound to be hilarious. If you’re not a total ‘Dildo’ TV triggers you constantly, you fucking hate political comedy and pixie kung-fu masters, so there’s just not much out there targeting us that isn’t from before 1940. Alt-Right trolling is guerilla culture for WHITE SUPREMISTS i.e. white (i.e. most) libertarians, Stirnerites and rednecks.

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