Twitter cuts (#6)

Amplified when read as a follow up to #4, this piece of jiu jitsu by VXXC is a great way to invigorate some running debates (even if it can’t be embedded normally because of the ridiculous privacy option activated on his account):

Strangely so called Reactionaries coming to Fences marked Republic, Constitution, United States wish to obliterate these walls utterly. (9:09 AM, 7 January 2015.)

January 8, 2015admin 22 Comments »
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  • Alrenous Says:

    Neoreactionaries see the fences monarchy, Magna Carta, and federal system, and noting that they have been destroyed, propose to re-build them.

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    “Fence” is not a synonym for “thing”. Of the three things in that list, only the Constitution is properly a fence. Let’s not let “fence” go the way of motte & bailey. The original concepts are like sharp knives. If you use them to hack away on coarse timber, they become no good for fine work.

    Now. You are allowed to tear down a Chesterston’s fence if know what it is for. It’s an unexplained fence that needs to be preserved.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Explain the fences that are holding back the clearly desirous of absolute tyranny [and worse] central government.

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  • scientism Says:

    Those aren’t walls, they’re billboards.

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    SydneyTrads Editors Reply:

    VXX stupidly confuses the authentic for the artificial. This is a sub-rookie mistake. Amazing that he/she/whatever would publicly embarrass him/her/itself in this way.

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  • Bryce Laliberte Says:

    The first pig built his house out of hay, and when the Big Bad Wolf came around…

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  • Musical Interlude Says:

    Don’t Fence Me In, by Cole Porter:

    Oh, give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above
    Don’t fence me in
    Let me ride through that wide open country that I love
    Don’t fence me in

    Let me be by myself in the evenin’ breeze
    An’ listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees
    Send me off forever but I ask you please
    Don’t fence me in

    Just turn me loose, let me straddle my old saddle
    Underneath the western skies
    On my cayuse, let me wander over yonder
    Till I see the mountains rise

    I want to ride to the ridge where the west commences
    An’ gaze at the moon till I lose my senses
    An’ I can’t stand hobbles an’ I can’t stand fences
    Don’t fence me in

    Oh, give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above
    Don’t fence me in
    Let me ride through that wide open country that I love
    Don’t fence me in

    Let me be by myself in the evenin’ breeze
    An’ listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees
    Send me off forever but I ask you please
    Don’t fence me in

    Just turn me loose, let me straddle my old saddle
    Underneath the western skies
    On my cayuse, let me wander over yonder
    Till I see the mountains rise

    I want to ride to the ridge where the west commences
    An’ gaze at the moon till I lose my senses
    An’ I can’t stand hobbles an’ I can’t stand fences
    So don’t fence me in, oh no
    Now brother, don’t you fence me in

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  • Stirner (@heresiologist) Says:

    It is a good observation.

    What is left out is the NRx doesn’t want to just tear them down, it wants to rebuild it from materials less prone to termites and rot.

    The new fences will likely be digital law, blockchain, and (?) (NRx has relatively weak polticial science and political design at this point,, so there is no clear successor to the Nation-State at this point. Yes, Patchwork and all that, but the details of how such an entitity could reasonably function are mostly handwaving to date.

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    soapjackal Reply:

    Thank Goodness someone else noticed. Now common law being retrofitted with Smart contracts sounds like a real Neoreactionary attempt. Enough with hand waving and sifballing! To the drawing board!

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  • Nick B. Steves Says:

    Chesterton’s Fence “There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.”

    It’s an excellent (and valiant) try VXXC. But no fence in the history of mankind has been so well described and analyzed as this one. So much so that we now realize this particular fence was torn down no later than 150 years ago and the so-called fence which (quite rightly) engenders so much romantic fervor has been but a carefully spun illusion.

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    VXXC Reply:

    It’s tens of thousands of little fences of Jeffersonian Democracy that make America such an unappetizing target for conquest once you drill down and look at that truth.

    As Obama and the Dems are discovering.

    As any King or whatever would discover.

    Now as to 150 years ago the Constitution ended: no it didn’t. A rebellion was put down in Civil War.

    The Confederacy by the way in the way it governed was the corrupt tyranny that couldn’t deliver, the South should really read up on it’s own History. Lee’s men were starving as Richmond men were fat and rich, they even looted Lee’s last emergency rations for his starving scarecrows of Petersburg when Lee finally left with his army, losing Petersburg. Confederates – so called – Southerners did that.

    To go back 150 years ago to a failed Rebellion…why not just write off Humanity since the fall in the Garden of Eden?

    Now I’m not making any attempt, I am observing those walls are still standing. Local police have the broad, plenary powers for instance. Why it was considered worth killing 2 NYPD cops over.

    Oh and if noticed their standing too.

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  • Aeroguy Says:

    Much has been said about reaction vs neoreaction. Anyone who can essentially pick a date and say political reset there is a flavor reactionary. For an American, If that date is after 1776 they’re a libertarian, if after 1788 but before 1861 they’re constitutionalist libertarians (and entirely blind to the dangers of demotism even if they oppose Jacksonian Democracy). If they pick a date like 1913 or 1932 they’re probably historically illiterate beyond the 20th century and may even think we just have to find ways to help the Republicans win elections. The worst offenders are ones who don’t realize the shift from Articles of Confederation (itself a political experiment demonstrating the political instability of neocameralistic systems) to Constitution was hardly the only major change and no where near the biggest to the American political system. Neoreationaries don’t pick dates, they talk about the stability of political systems.

    I’ll make an analogy and maybe someone can run with it. I have a background in stability control systems and sometimes think of political systems as an airplane. Airplanes have three different axis of movement, pitch, yaw, and roll and each has a measure of static stability that can be positive or negative to indicate how stable or unstable each axis is. An aircraft in steady flight might be hit by a gust, if it’s positively stable it tend to return to steady flight (stays on course), if neutrally stable it will move with the gust and remain there (veers off course), if negatively stable it will accelerate along the affected axis of movement (until it spins like a top). Political systems have far more than 3 though people often condense them to the familiar 1 or 2 axis used in political identity quiz’s.

    People might think of axis as independent of each other, but that isn’t true, rolling an aircraft in forward flight will cause a yaw movement (but not if it’s hovering). Understanding how axis interact is important. AN AIRCRAFT WITH VERY HIGH YAW STATIC STABILITY CAN STILL VEER VERY HARD TO THE LEFT IF IT DOESN’T ALSO HAVE POSITIVE ROLL STABILITY. Reactionaries ask why we can’t just reset the same aircraft back to steady state and call it a day. I’ll leave it at that for now unless someone requests I continue into control surfaces and dynamic stability.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    To be a little more explicit. Roll is religion, any hope of restoring roll control went away the moment the protestant gremlins showed up and ripped off the ailerons (Gremlins don’t exist of course but the Christian ailerons reached failure mode and broke, due to what many consider to be design flaws).

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    Yeah, right. You controls guys are always blaming the stress group when you forget to check for stick-free stability. Next you’ll be saying it was pilot error. 🙂

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    But blaming the pilot is so much fun and no one really questions it even though technically the plane flies itself. That’s why I want to fill the cockpit full of the leftest progressives possible.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Thank You Admin, I’m Honored.

    Here’s a Wall to tear down – as pointed out by my next attorney when I’m in his town….

    Thorgeir Lawspeaker ‏@TheLawspeaker 1h1 hour ago

    @VXXC2014 This is the big mental obstacle to responding to jihadi violence with lynching. Shooting in cold blood is tearing down a wall.

    My response was War is exactly the time to breach and demolish all walls in your path, especially ones guarding your enemies.

    Note this is not Counsel’s position necessarily, he’s pointing out the truth.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Those walls I refer to have been abandoned and betrayed in Washington, the Republic does not abide there…however this begs the question of why aren’t we a totalitarian state then?

    The Second Amendment, that they cannot trust their military or cops to carry out their will surely have something to do with the Totalitarian Dog that hasn’t barked, but I’ve been saying for some months that the legacy that is still thwarting them is Jeffersonian Democracy.

    To say Social Security and the Federal Budget it’s not important.

    To Plenary Policing powers – the broad policing powers – and to the use of the National Guard as the Troops legally empowered to put down disturbances [Federal Troops can’t legally] Jeffersonian Democracy is everything.

    And this we still have. We have 89K political entities, we have 19K+ Law Enforcement Agencies. That’s the Republic duplicated at a fantastic level of duplication and very inefficient…except in case of Tyranny.

    Those are quite existing structures, one’s your King would have to reduce town by town.

    If you had a King.

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    soapjackal Reply:

    >why aren’t we a totalitarian state then?

    We aren’t? Bureaucrats have massive control beyond anything else in history. Anarcho tyranny is real tyranny. Most tyrants historically are hard to even compare to a neoreactionary recommendation. Youre under the lie that european kings were total despots and that america escaped that for at least a few years.

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  • Stirner (@heresiologist) Says:

    @vxxc2014

    “…a Patchwork, gentleman, if you can keep it…”

    The printing press gave rise to the Nation.

    By extension, does the Internet give rise to the patchwork? Just how inefficient would these small republics if contracts, ownership, and control were all regulated by federated cryptosystems?

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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    The replies here have been pretty bad–dismissive and light weight. Makes me think that VXXC2014 has put his finger on something important.

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