Twitter cuts (#61)


Doctor Gno cometh.

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  • Patrick L Says:

    Schools are prisons. Prisons aren’t model institutions for studying humanity optimization.

    Nerds are just in a weird spot where they get massive multipliers on being a few percent smarter than everyone else. Two hundred years ago, it’s like… ok you built a clock. A hundred years from now, computers will obsolete all jobs.

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  • TheDividualist Says:

    Nerds used to laughing stock – remember that nebbish pocket-protector mathlete type in movies a few decades before. Then… things changed.

    First nerds got (made) the computers and got (earned) the money. It was pretty surreal to watch over 20 years ago Bill Gates fly over the world with copies of Windows ’95, with his characteristically nerdish, autistic smile and ridiculous breeches, and yet he was already a billionaire and something sort of a celebrity. Programming slowly became a popular and respected profession. Soon, jokes like this were difficult to understand: “The programming profession is getting diluted these days, our new hire even has a girlfriend.” After the 2000’s, even famous nerds, famous hachers like the creator of Rails were of the type who have achieved perfect social and yes, sexual success: http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/#family

    But DHH is a bit of an exception, being a naturally charismatic and extroverted type. Most nerds, well paid and increasingly respected as they were, still suffered from involuntary virginity, social anxiety and feelings of physical inferiority to jocks. So they decided to attack jocks where they were the strongest: in their muscles. And turned muscle building into something nerds are good at: an applied science. Building muscle went from something haphazard, instinctive and random (“Just work construction during the summe breaks!”) to something so nerdy, so totally nerdy that bad advice is now called “broscience” and the most famous supplement manufacturer is called SciTec. If and where in a given field “science” becomes the most praiseworthy, highest-status term, it suggests nerds dominate that field. So physical strength and muscle is a nerd thing now, and those who know what branched-chained amino acids are do can now arm-wrestle kind of blue-collar jocks who just have raw peasant strength.

    Nerds got the money, nerds got the status, nerds got the good looks. The next “thing” to conquer, the next prize to win was, well, women. Applying evolutionary psychology and countless – informally conducted – experiments shared on blogs, Game was born. However this field led to mixed results. Learning how human nature – especially that of women – actually works, many men got so horrified and bitter that the Manosphere halfway turned into a support group for extremely jaded and embittered men. Mark Manson with Models and Athol Kay and Mike Cernovich with The Gorilla Mindset are trying to rescue it, currently it is not clear if it is going to be place where incels go to complain about women or where men go to actually stop being incels. One can hope. But nevertheless, Game helped a lot of nerds to actually get good with women.

    What is the next prize? Politics? Maybe.

    What I would personally prefer is to have nerds hack the problem of courage as well as they hacked the problem of muscles. You see, muscles are an important of masculinity but its sine qua non is always courage. Aristotle already suggested courage can be built like a muscle. If nerds figure out the science of courage building just as well as they figured out the science of muscle building, they will become unstoppable.

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    Tom Barghest Reply:

    Fairly observed. Seriously, I think this ‘nerds learn courage and judgment’ may be half of NRx’s telos. The tech-comm path to the Froude Society is a nerd path to character building and statesmanship.

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  • Uriel A F Fiori Farizeli Fiori Says:

    maybe even the socializing mechanisms are meant to weed out the less cunning nerds, in order to couple IQ with creativity and spite for less intelligent people and start de positive feedback loop of intelligence optimization.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    I view this as the difference between nerds who are given a role, and nerds who are given power through the System.

    In your average high school, the chant is usually:


    It’s all right, it’s okay
    They’re going to work for us someday

    Nerds know that nerds get the grades, go on to graduate school, and make it in this type of society. Ours is a nerd-dominated society not because of nerds, but because of government.

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    michael Reply:

    I thought IQ was strongly associated with height health and symmetrical features so nerds were outliers geeky dorks who also had high IQs or are you trying to pretend all high IQ people are nerds, in which case nice try four eyes back to your chess club fag

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    Hattori Reply:

    Don’t really buy this.

    Non nerds view nerds as armless low social status individuals. Nothing I’ve ever seen indicates nerds are viewed as some sort of threat to the social hierarchy (even if it’s the case). Please enlighten me if you can.

    I think they bully them to signal they are not part of the lowly gammas and omegas in the social hierarchy. Kind of like what goes on in prisons.

    Jim also had a worthwhile post on the mainstream image of nerds being a quite recent phenomenon. That’s are probably worth adding to this.

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    Hattori Reply:

    For the record, this was not meant to be a response to Michael. Just a general response to the OP.

    Aaron Reply:

    @Hattori

    Agreed. Nature abhors a vacuum and nerds represent a power vacuum. Nerds, like a lot of groups, have their own mythology that rationalize about why who they are and why they are great. Nerds are poorly situated to be teenagers and, like or not, this period is a crucial gateway for everything that follows.

    Cristina Reply:

    Under certain circumstances, the nerds are the natural leaders. They are not the Diogenes Teufelsdröckh type, but the ones who cultivate body and mind equally. Those who don’t reach the cusp are respected according to their intellectual prowess. Ego testimonium

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  • michael Says:

    @me thinks she doth program too much

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  • GC Says:

    I seem to recall a certain “Social Justice” enthusiast saying these exact same words not too long ago.

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  • Barnabas Says:

    From anti-jock propaganda like Revenge of the Nerds to the new Silicon Valley chic I can’t help but see “nerd” as a euphemism for Jewish.

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    TheDividualist Reply:

    It certainly correlates. I wonder if there is a similar genetic Ashkenazi predisposition for the autistic spectrum as for IQ. Assuming the Woody Allen type nebbish character is so because they are on the spectrum – may not be actually true, I am not 100% sure, but to me this nebbish stereotype really seems like Asperger.

    But this is just a correlation with many exceptions both ways, such as Hollywood (J, not autistic) and D&D literature (autistic, not J).

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/assessment/1998/07/nerd_vs_nebbish.html

    Does this shed any light? It also relates to the question Hattori raised below in this thread. Dangerous nerdiness (Foucault, Assange, Kaczynski, Zuckerberg) is a distinct phenomenon from impotent nerdiness/nebbishness.

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  • Tentative Joiner Says:

    Cf. Why Nerds Should Be Segregated.

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  • michael Says:

    in fairness i started noticing a riser of the nerds about the time new wave began to eclipse led zeplin,That sort of bled into the early hipster/punk in the lower east side, decades before anyone thought of moving to brooklyn.video was the technology before computers really came into vogue the digital editing music and video then publishing zines and techno art video games graphic arts as in electronic graphic arts became a thing eventually then the internet became cool.

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  • Hattori Says:

    It would also help to define what we really mean by nerds here. Are we talking about your average introverted “nerd” or are we talking about the truly exceptional individuals?

    Because the average nerd outcast isn’t really that much smarter than the average.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Oh no, what do words even mean?

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    Hattori Reply:

    Re reading the OP I’m pretty sure he means the latter, but do these individuals really get bullied and ostracized that much? I think in large part they segregate themselves for not fitting in, rather than a concerted effort by society.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    I don’t really care. I just commented because as a linguist I find hand-wringing about definitions naive and autistic.

    wu-wei Reply:

    I’m pretty sure “nerd” in this context just means “people who won’t submit to our raving mad lies”.

    Also, try replacing “nerd” in the OP with something else, eg. “fag”:

    “In other words, ours is a society whose fag-suppression mechanisms have failed – the genie is out of the bottle.”

    “Fags are *supposed* to be violently socialised into docility – otherwise they will use their intelligence in perverse, asocial ways…”

    …Heh.

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    GC Reply:

    “Nerd” and the whole clique system in general seems to be a product of high school, which means 12-18 year olds, which means inferior, which means it shouldn’t be taken seriously. I mean looking back at it, all the jockeying for status to be king of the (mole)hill, the peer pressure, the fights, the “hierarchies” etc. was all a pathetic waste of time and resources. None of it had any bearing on anyone’s life afterwards.

    Unless Moaner here is using some definition I’m unfamiliar with, he seems to be suggesting that we’ve gone wrong somewhere by not modelling society after a high school pissing contest. His response to a question is rather disturbing, however:

    “The normie model is that the person with the highest status gets to be right.”

    Gnon doesn’t care about your status. The normie model is anti-Gnon, and therefore wrong. Where this leaves “nerds” is another question.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Unless Moaner here is using some definition I’m unfamiliar with, he seems to be suggesting that we’ve gone wrong somewhere by not modelling society after a high school pissing contest.

    I see what you mean, but have to disagree. A pissing contest is EXACTLY how we’ve modeled our society, and that’s the problem. Well, there’s nothing wrong with a pissing contest per se, but the pissing contest we’ve built western society around is a game of:
    “Who can debase themselves hardest against the the loony, frothing-at-the-mouth mad lies of progressivism?”

    In our society, this has generally supplanted the more useful pissing contest of building massive skyscrapers, bridges, factories, etc. You know, shit that is actually cool and useful to society. It’s just not ‘cool’ anymore to be an industrial big-shot; better to whine about women or minorities or whatever.

    Hell, even the Soviets were man enough to get in a pissing match over placing a man on the moon, and now look at the modern left. Getting in pissing matches over signaling support for whatever flavor-of-the-month issue, like transgendered bathrooms, or, of course, the newly found devotion to the religion of Islam.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “It’s just not ‘cool’ anymore to be an industrial big-shot; better to whine about women or minorities or whatever.”

    I know this is a major /pol//Alt-right bugbear, but fortunately I can guarantee that Elon Musk is getting far more gash than Aids Skrillex is.

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  • Xoth Says:

    When did the 50s engineer with pocket protector and slide rule become such an outcast? It seems odd in retrospect.

    Science fiction has traditionally attracted the engineers, dreamers and bullied. But in recent decades, it has turned away from its origins and instead become a tool of cultural politics (among the endless rows of bodice-ripping demon lovers). The topics indicate engineers and scientists and STEM dorks no longer read much science fiction.

    There is a subclass of the bullied nerd (of either sex) that curdles into something physically, mentally and morally warped.

    Every man needs a hobby but it’s a big personal mistake to get recruited into the unsound and exploitative ‘nerd culture’.

    Nerds probably think themselves above such irrational and old fashioned concerns, but might, as suggested above, do well to practice the virtues.

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    Alan J. Perrick Reply:

    X.,

    When did it curdle? Well, my friend, that is not something that is surprising to me… When academica becomes ideologically driven by morbidly short-term thinking, it’s not only science that takes a hit as far as prestige goes… The mid-20th Century is practically a case-study in pagan revolution against civilisation.

    Best regards,

    A.J.P.

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  • TheDividualist Says:

    Hm. Given that playing MUDs is probably the nerdest thing evar, are there any MUDs that are focused on political simulation, and could actually help one learn a thing or two about politics hands-on? I am just wondering that I am probably not the first one to come up with this.

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    admin Reply:

    So you haven’t read this yet?

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    TheDividualist Reply:

    I mean it in the literal sense, not as a thought experiment – telnet archipelagomud.net 23 or that sort of thing.

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    Alrenuos Reply:

    He doesn’t seem to mention it in that essay, but the Archipegalo is based on an actual game, akin to a MUD, he played with actual people over a period of years. It has a fantasy-esque name I currently forget.

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  • Alan J. Perrick Says:

    L.O.L., I can appreciate the cheekiness of deprication. Why the strange spelling for Doctor No?

    A.J.P.

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    admin Reply:

    You haven’t been introduced?

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  • Mark Warburton Says:

    ^^^ A preface to a predictable power fantasy, that like all good nerd lore is inately submissive. The TS taps into the nerd’s desire for control AND the submissiveness that was put upon them in the playground.

    We will fuck the less intelligent ones over, but the machines will make us their slaves ( if we’re smart enough – and if not, a Pinhead like world of pain awaits).

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    admin Reply:

    I’m beginning to suspect this might be the single most neuralgic in-group / out-group distinction out there.

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    Mark Warburton Reply:

    Is a passive-aggressive call-to-arms a pure oxymoron? 😀

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    nydwracu Reply:

    The TS taps into the nerd’s desire for control AND the submissiveness that was put upon them in the playground.

    So all we need is a Lysander type who can take the nerds as sex slaves and use them to administer his empire…?

    (Can nerd submissiveness attach itself to people at all, or does it only work for abstract spreadsheet stuff?)

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