Twitter cuts (#66)

Worth a read. The ‘practical’ conclusions are incredibly lame, but the historical narrative isn’t terrible. Crucial to note, however, that ‘fascism’ here is framed by a peculiarly thoughtless Marxoid dogmatism, and means simply: Anything that is seriously anti-communist.

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  • Twitter cuts (#66) | Neoreactive Says:

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  • Son_of_Olorus Says:

    Basically Nrx = Fascism according to this, boo flippin’ hoo, and a whitewashed chronology to boot. This is all you need to know “I shall here proⅵde a critique of this ideology and an attempt at understanding of its origins, its tactics, and how it may be defeated”, defeat what, a bunch internet users discussing “human relations and other aspects of humanity” like a bunch of Marxists in a Cambridgeshire coffee shop, what is this, the brown scare 2.0. Its obvious she’s written this to notify the inquisition and point out the heretics .I will use this as a reference for what a hive-mind response looks like.

    The human mind has a penchant for categorization, the word “fascism” was used 90 times in this.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    “Fascism” in Leftist-speak means any strong leadership that can compete with Leftism, which is inherently totalitarian, where fascism is merely authoritarian.

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  • Erebus Says:

    The abstract is misleading. That ridiculous* essay doesn’t critique Neoreaction — it doesn’t critique or even focus on anything, really — it wastes the reader’s time with a sloppily-written, schoolmarmish, and superficial review of historical fascism, Transhumanism, Silicon Valley culture, Less Wrong, the Alt Right, and GamerGate, among other things. It occasionally makes a snide comment, for e.g. “Let us, then, delve into the
    wretched hⅳe of chan culture…”
    It’s nothing more than a shitty summary of right-wing internet culture in general. And it’s conclusion — “doxx the fascists” — is just pathetic.

    [* — That font, and the excessive use of the archaic “&c.”, already make it something of a joke and impossible to take entirely seriously. I was almost surprised that the author didn’t use the long s, ſ.]

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    michael Reply:

    and yous guys winder why i dont spellcheck capitalize and punktuate fucking fdaggotry

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    nydwracu Reply:

    Yes, this is what stood out to me too — the st ligature on the first page. Does even the New Yorker go that far? Talk about trying too hard…

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  • Frog Do Says:

    “The neo-reactionaries hope to be the aristocrats, or, sometimes, monarchs of their own in a patchwork of principalities somewhat reminiscent of the Holy Roman Empire.”
    They just fundamentally cannot understand a politics of people who do not desire political power.

    The mixing of all non-Marxist ideologies as precursors to fascism is fairly hilarious. It’s like the Jewish Question, but in reverse, instead of blaming all problems on one small group, it’s blamed on literally everyone who isn’t them. A sort of extreme ideo-nationalism.

    “There are two poles within neo-reaaction, the “academic” pole, exemplified in LessWrong…”
    Man, they really, really hate Yudkowsky. There’s also a long section equating Less Wrong beliefs and New Atheism, as though one weren’t an incredibly small subset of the other.

    “The second edition of The Mismeasure of Man was written in opposition, but it was too late: The Bell Curve had made the case to pass the 1994 crime bill and “end welfare as we know it” to the American populace, and the reaction against it allowed the authors to feign persecution through the all-powerful term “political correctness”.”
    Still trusting in Lysenko and his descendants.

    “Let us also discuss the pre-millennium cultural influences on the alt-right. To under- stand their background, we must understand the Dark Age of Comic Books, which began in 1986 with Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns and Alan Moore’s Watchmen.”
    I do not understand the obsession with comic books the Left seems to have, it’s very strange.

    “In 2000, Usenet’s culture fragments and migrates to the World Wide Web. The Big Eight’s culture moved successively to Slashdot, Digg, Reddit, and Hacker News. The alt.* hierarchy would in 2003 find its own hive: 4chan.”
    There are several major websites missing here, and one very large one in particular, for obvious reasons. The history of 4chan is completely nonsensical without a discussion of SomethingAwful, I would know, I was there for both back in the day. GamerGate as founding myth also seems profoundly embarrassing for the New-Left-of-the-Current-Year, surely they can pick a better one.

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    I have to say admin, it’s kind of a garbage history. Overstating the importance of individual events is weird for self-described Marxists, it’s not really a Marxist history at all, it’s some bizarre Great-Event-of-History theory. It can’t grapple with ideology, either, resorting to slurry everything it disagrees with into some kind of Anglo Question.

    The practical stuff is also hilarious: doxxing and attempts to isolate movements generally make them stronger unless you can do it with overwhelming force: has no one in the contemporary left read the history of the civil rights movement at all?

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    admin Reply:

    “I have to say admin, it’s kind of a garbage history” — I set the bar low for this kind of thing.

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    Tom Reply:

    Admin, how well would you say you understand the history of chan culture, its evolutionary relationship with Something Awful, and the intersections of both with NRx, dissident populist rightism, and the explosion of balls-out communist insanity among millennials?

    No prejudice in my question. NRx is archaeologically mapped fairly well in several places and ways and I’m just contemplating how useful a similar guide to the digital institutions of the left would be.

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    nydwracu Reply:

    “I’m just contemplating how useful a similar guide to the digital institutions of the left would be.”

    Very.

    wu-wei Reply:

    “The neo-reactionaries hope to be the aristocrats, or, sometimes, monarchs of their own in a patchwork of principalities somewhat reminiscent of the Holy Roman Empire.”

    This seems to come up a lot. I guess its supposed to serve as some kind of axiomatic counter-point, in the sense of accusing NRx folk of just conforming to whatever ideology conveniently supports our alleged desire to rule as white men over the lowly masses of POCs and women.

    Nevermind that virtually all of us (?) are perfectly well aware that we are extremely unlikely to ever receive any kind of political power at all in an NRx world.

    “There are two poles within neo-reaaction, the “academic” pole, exemplified in LessWrong…”

    Sadly hilarious. I guess you really can’t escape the “bite” of the “neoreactionary basilisk”; the public hazing is going to follow Yudkowsky for the rest of his life, whether he likes it or not.

    I do not understand the obsession with comic books the Left seems to have, it’s very strange.

    It’s because they can use it as a spurious link toward bashing nerdy white males, who I guess historically were the vast majority of comic book readership, at least until relatively recently.

    The history of 4chan is completely nonsensical without a discussion of SomethingAwful

    The way that Somethingawful and 4chan both started off as essentially the same communities, aka young nerdy college educated whites with a strong piety toward atheism and hatred toward popular christian culture and George W. Bush, diverged over time into nutty insane transgender-worshiping SJWs on one side and near-Hitler-apologizing quasi-fascists on the other, is actually very interesting. It would be nice if the author had some insight into this, but of course she doesn’t, because she’s a communist retard.

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    Frog Do Reply:

    There are plenty of other things that are both lily-white, male-dominated, and socially inferior; I find it strange that comics is so important to them.

    The deliberate failure to mention SomethingAwful is either very ignorant or motivated, not that there’s much of a difference. However, I would disagree with your characterization of SA. A vocal subset recently shifted away from social justice concerns to ironic pretense of far-left politics: the Irony Bros became Bernie Bros. This is important due to their influence on the Twitter Left, which is important due to Twitter’s influence on journalists; they are breaking the Democratic consensus. The fact that this happened at the same time a fraction of 4chan, the /pol/tards, broke from their ironic pretense of far-right politics to sincere far-right politics to become the Alt-Right and co-opt conservative media to break the Republican consensus is suspicious.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    There are plenty of other things that are both lily-white, male-dominated, and socially inferior; I find it strange that comics is so important to them.

    I disagree. It’s just typical entryism; you can see the same trend happening everywhere, for example in Hollywood and television, science fiction, etc. The reason that they appear to be so obsessed with comics in particular is epiphenomenal; it’s because their entryism happens to have been highly successful within that community. They attacked the comic communities so stridently in particular simply because it was very white, asocial and nerdy, asocial nerds making a good target because they have difficulty fighting back, making them a juicy target. Same thing with science fiction as well, at least up until the recent “sad puppies” counter-rebellion.

    The trend has ironically been less successful toward Hollywood in many ways, because Hollywood is a lot more established (*cough* jewish *cough*), meaning that the left is having a relatively difficult time sicking their POC pets into it. But no doubt they’re succeeding in that arena as well, and have been for the last 70~ years, just more slowly compared to some of the other examples. (It seems weird to defend Hollywood as being relatively un-pozzed, but compared to comics, or science-fiction until recently, I guess that’s really the only reasonable conclusion. Again, it’s highly relative.)

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    I agree with the rest of your comment, although I think my historical understanding of 4chan and Somethingawful remains essentially correct. The reason that, as you point out, Somethingawful recently shifted away from some of the more egregious tranny-worshipping and related phenomena, was very much a top-down, authoritative decision on the part of the admins. The site was just becoming too much of a joke, even for many of the leftists who patronized it.

    I would point out that one very interesting difference between Somethingawful and 4chan is that the former is utterly fascist in its management, in the sense that it essentially operates like any normal private enterprise, more or less, with authority flowing downward. Contrast that with 4chan, which is and always has been largely the effect of the hive-mind, or various converging egregore, some mild administrative meddling notwithstanding.

    If I were to play the devil’s advocate for the articles author, I would point out that Somethingawful is almost completely irrelevant today, and has been for years. I wouldn’t be surprised if the author had never even heard of it, given her clear lack of comprehension toward the rest of internet “culture”.

    wu-wei Reply:

    Actually, I take that back. Somethingawful is a lot like the soviet union under Stalin. Lowtax has had his hands off the wheel for well over a decade. Every few years he wakes up from his wine-and-pill induced stupor, pretends to be back in control, and then inevitably lapses back into unconsciousness. In his place, the oligarchy of admins rule, each vying for social status points over one another. Or something.

    To really stretch the metaphor further into an autismal decent of sophistry, 4chan is a lot like Moldbug’s hypothetical Fnargl. The admin, Moot, had absolute sovereignty over the site. He always said that he was the sole owner and the final word on everything; what he says, goes. As such, he deliberately kept his direct interference to a minimum, allowing the site to grow and thrive on its own.

    And the result? Today, almost everyone has heard of 4chan; Somethingawful is a forgotten regime.

    michael Reply:

    is it a leftist obsession or leftist woman peeve? Could also be they used comics to decent effect,Its also likely this recent neckbeard meme, millennials have a 5 minute view of history.I suppose they could see super heros as fascist archetypes, of course all the fascists i can think of were leftists except franco perhaps.but dont cry for me.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Maybe it’s just that simple-minded people can only handle simplified, cartoonish representation of ideas.

    michael Reply:

    Hollywood relatively unpozzed what on earth do you mean.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    In certain alt-right circles, “pozzed” is used as a term for cultural decline. It’s a metaphor for AIDS, meaning being “AIDS positive”, aka “pozzed”.

    The idea is that just as AIDS inflicts damage through compromising the immune system, a pozzed, decadent culture has, through it’s loss of general strong social cohesion, compromised it’s immunity toward certain outside elements which can destroy that society. For example, islam. Or, if you believe that homosexuality will destroy western civilization, then permissive, socially liberal attitudes in general will lead to that as well.

    nydwracu Reply:

    “Sadly hilarious. I guess you really can’t escape the “bite” of the “neoreactionary basilisk”; the public hazing is going to follow Yudkowsky for the rest of his life, whether he likes it or not.”

    What? It’s perfect. It’s a simple distillation of why they’re losing — they’re afraid of everything they don’t completely control, and they’ve retreated into their own narrative tunnel, which bears less and less resemblance to reality with each passing day. They don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, and they don’t know how to know what the hell they’re talking about, because they’ve sewn themselves together into a human centipede, with each one of them just swallowing the shit of the previous one. The narrative is unverified and unverifiable — what would happen to a leftist who tried to fact-check that LW nonsense? (What kind of disgusting fascist would write gross LW apologia like that?)

    It’s like the GOP pundits in 2012 who insisted that Romney would win and the polls were all wrong.

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  • Stirner Says:

    The historical narrative is quite good, given that it was reconstructed by an outsider.

    For the record, this piece gets the connections and ordering of influences wrong. Important omissions:

    1) Admin’s “Dark Enlightenment” essay and the rapid precipitation of NRx is more important than described. The “Dark Enlightenment” label brought a whole constellation of right-leaning crimethink under a single banner at a higher level of abstraction. HBD and the Sailerites. The Manosphere, Tradcons like Auster, The rump Paleocons at American Conservative/Taki’s magazine, and the White identity folks like Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer. All these niches had been working away for years, in their lonely silos. The birth of NRx and the self identification of all these separate groups as natural allies and part of a greater conceptual whole of the Dark Enlightenment is absolutely critical for understanding the later development of the Alt right.

    2) This process was accelerated by the development of “Alt-Right Twitter”. Twitter was an important channel for all these groups in the DE to start interacting with each other within the context of Twitter. This grew organically and slowly, and rapidly exposed the separate elements of the DE to the ideas of the rest of the DE in short order. The epic Tweeting (and eventual martyrdom) of Duckocracy shall not be forgotten….

    3) 4 Chan and /pol/ have been doing their thing for years, but they were never much of an intellectual influence on early NRx. They were not part of the crystallization that occurred in the wake of the Dark Enlightenment. Gamergate and the subsequent 4Chan civil war, and the 8chan exodus began to open up more lines of communication between the DE and chan culture. The chan’s pretty much rejected NRx in principle, and then the chan adjacent site MPC trolled the shit out of NRx, doxxed AnarchoPapist, and caused the core of NRx to regroup, with the public face of NRx maintained by Social Matter, Outside In, 28 Sherman, Nick B Steves, and probably a dozen other blogs.

    4) In the wake of Gamergate, and the strategic retreat of NRx, there was a gradual intermingling of chan culture and /pol with the Dark Enlightenment. Alt Right Twitter was a major channel for this, helping people in the DE find /pol/ and other hilarious shitposters and Twitter trolls. This also helped the NEETs from the chans get exposed to the more intellectual (DE blogs), and Institutional (NPI, AmRen, Radix, etc) elements of the DE. Various mischievous hashtag campaigns and trolling raids helped to gradually weaponize Alt Right Twitter

    5) In 2015-2016 the most active vector of change and evolution in the Alt Right has been the emergence of The RIght Stuff. The Right Stuff – and notably The Daily Shoah podcast, managed to fuse the irreverence, energy, and memetics of chan culture into an audio talk show format. Image memes became audio memes (Oyyyy Veyyyy!!!!) and these podcasts have rapidly multiplied in number and audience and has helped to further bridge connections between the disparate elements of what now has evolved to the the “Alt Right”. Their popularization of Cuckservative as a slur , and the eventual Trumpening, has lead to the Alt Right getting above the fold coverage on the front page of the NYT. That brings us to today.

    For the clickbait “journalist” who comes across this: What you fail to understand is that the Alt Right is an ideological superweed. Spray crops with Roundup for years, and weeds will evolve that will survive the poison. The Alt Right was birthed in a similar environment. The DE grew as pseudonymous thinkers trying to hash out the truth, exploring ideas that were reputational poison. The ideas had to stand on the merits and the evidence, with absolutely no ability benefit from institutional prestige, financial rewards, or serve as a platform for reputational virtue signalizing. Along the same lines Chan culture is purely anonymous, with the only way to stand out and get recognition is to develop phrases, images, and memes appealing enough to get reused by others. The meme-culture selects for shock, attention, humor, insight, emotion and for a great love of doing stuff for the Lulz. For good are bad, both cultures have become fused.

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    Mark Yuray Reply:

    This is an excellent and endorse-able history.

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    Stirner Reply:

    Thanks. I just wish I had more time to edit and proofread when I banged it out over lunch.

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    michael Reply:

    really seems like a good history of the past few months what about La Griife, Moldbug and blowhards sigma inductivist radish ,Jim Auster,Francis,The Bellcurve mismeasure and Sokal affairs,Sailor, Buchanan,Derb,Richwine et al V NRO, blackgirl bleeds alot, Drudge footballs Briebart and those merry pranksters, even alex jones and glen beck and god save us some of the writers at NRO who didnt get fired all broke a few windows,some libertarian anarcho capitalist the european right the reactionary religious,he manosphere and old reaction. City journal first things the new criterion have been deconstructing leftism for decades, and as MM told many of you first its been going on for hundreds of years. Or do you think thsi all sprang into being a couple years ago.

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    Phil Sandifer Reply:

    It seems like the answer would have to be “for bad,” as “had to stand on the merits and the evidence” and “shock, attention, humor, insight, emotion and for a great love of doing stuff for the Lulz” are intensely oppositional, not least in the sort of attention span they demand.

    The result may be a superweed, but its one whose relationship to the truth is going to be wholly arbitrary.

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    Frog Do Reply:

    It further separates the wheat from the chaff, which is a good thing. The alt-right can then be easily discarded. NRx doesn’t do active large-scale politics anyway, so who cares if the insane trolls are leftists or rightists.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Even assuming that’s true, ‘wholly arbitrary’ beats ‘actively hostile.’ Institutional prestige as a truth-finding mechanism is indefensible.

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    Phil Sandifer Reply:

    Comparisons with academia seem beside the point; one can’t really outrace a corpse.

    AD Reply:

    “The result may be a superweed, but its one whose relationship to the truth is going to be wholly arbitrary.”

    Gnon will judge the superweeds, whom can outrace a corpse, and the corpse and it’s worms that gnaw

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    nydwracu Reply:

    Not totally arbitrary. Uncomfortable truths pack a hell of a punch.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Along the same lines Chan culture is purely anonymous, with the only way to stand out and get recognition is to develop phrases, images, and memes appealing enough to get reused by others. The meme-culture selects for shock, attention, humor, insight, emotion and for a great love of doing stuff for the Lulz. For good are bad, both cultures have become fused.

    This is very interesting. I remember watching a conference with Moot (former administrator of 4chan), who actually seemed to grasp the concept very well, describing that 4chan isn’t really “anonymous” in the way that people think it is. It’s really no more or less anonymous than almost any other forum on the internet; anyone with a room-temperature IQ can figure out how to use multiple email-addresses, reset their IP, use a proxy, etc.

    The differences is that 4chan is “nameless”, meaning that there can be no permanent egos, upvotes, name-dropping related circlejerks, E-penis wars, etc., almost by definition. He described the primary characteristic of 4chan as being “ephemeral”, meaning that any posts you make are going to drop off the board in a matter of hours (for the faster boards), or even lasting no longer than a few days for all but the slowest boards.

    A consequence of this is that “forcing a meme” is almost impossible, because even a no-life who spends 18 hours a day on the internet is going to have trouble getting their meme to stay on the board for long, therefore keeping it in front of a lot of eyes. Instead, a meme only persists if it’s selected by the hive-mind, and propagated in that way, with many threads being posted 24-hours a day, 7 days a week, by many, many different people. He described the concept as sort of a “meme-factory”, an environment which emergently selects for the most successful and virulent memes.

    Point is, the alt-right on twitter, /pol/, and NRx are all inextricably linked to one another, whether we like it or not. If Dark Enlightenment theory is right about democracy being an ultimately useless endeavor for the right, then the alt-right can’t exist meaningfully without NRx influence. On the other hand, NRx probably can’t propagate itself substantially without the alt-right. Kind of a sad state of affairs, really.

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    michael Reply:

    are you saying you think DENRX is a small group but with stronger memes and alt right the larger with better media? I find this rather recent demarcation a bit synthetic, I get not wanting the neo nazis around I dont get a big difference between many of them and many that are now trying to set themselves apart,you get yudokowskis is now a nazi so youre not saving your easy virtue or anything. they are not uniformly socialist or stupid and without HBD there is no DE, Im more worried about the religious than the racists.
    As you know I dont think its democracy per se its the perverse incentives democracy creates not the will of the people they dont give a shit own the cathedral the bread and circuses and you can have all the votes you want for whatever you want you dont like whites voting themselves off the planet turn a few dials and get the niggers to cut their balls off no problem. Fucking commies tried for 150 years to start a commie revolution in the west no sale so they went for a race gender etc war instead. Not saying democracy is the best idea just the DE alternatives are a joke. KINGS ROBOTS COMPUTERS FLOATING GALTS GULCHES MARS NEO CAMERALISM ? Just not going to happen before the niggers kill us in our beds oh yeah they already are and they have the white house the vatican the eu nsa but hey lets dick around with sci fi another cuple decades

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    wu-wei Reply:

    are you saying you think DENRX is a small group but with stronger memes and alt right the larger with better media?

    To be honest, my personal opinion is that alt-right, and all breeds of conservatism in general, are completely worthless. I was sort of paying piety to the idea of Burke-conservatism, even though I don’t think it will ever work. Call it epistemic humility; a part of me still has a naive hope that Trump can win and actually make a difference.

    DE alternatives are a joke.

    DE/NRx “solutions” at this point are nothing other than pure speculation. In my opinion, anyone claiming that they are anything more than this is a fool. That said, there’s no reason in particular to assume that such speculation isn’t correct, or at least on the right track.

    My personal opinion is that we are all doomed, unless some sort of technology changes the paradigm, and allows for a secure sovereign to attain power. Otherwise, endless cycles of Brezhnevization, anarchy; rinse, repeat, forever. This is sort of an abstracted version of admin’s “monkey trap”.

    However, I think there’s very good reason to suspect that future technology CAN break us from this cycle. Cryptography and drone armies look very promising in that regard. That’s the thing about technology: its future is almost entirely unpredictable.

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  • frank Says:

    Which one of you is Josephine Armistead? Come on now, I know you read this blog.

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  • Alan J. Perrick Says:

    “Dogmatism.”.. Hm, sounds like somebody is close-minded to the opinions of others…

    A.J.P.

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  • Grotesque Body Says:

    This author clearly subscribes to the “Memes are the engine of history” tradition.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Like follow the zeitgeist, you mean? That’s basically going full-Rousseau. Never, ever, go full-Rousseau.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Note that Rousseau’s life epitomises the r-selected reproduction strategy.

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  • cyborg_nomade Says:

    I am thinking of a radical left critique of nrx.
    but that abstract is as far from of it as it gets

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  • fascist asshole Says:

    I have absolutely no fucking idea what the answer is. All I know is that I want to see a return to the root structure but somehow reconceive of it as being on some sort of number line, growing out. Our mathematics are not good enough to conceive of this. I need to read more Badiou. Despite his being a Maoist (as far as my dumb brain can tell from reading him) he does provide links to mathematics and ideology which are really interesting.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    I like the semiotic connection ‘big eight’ has to 8chan. However, they are incorrect. They dispersed after reddit was eternal September’ed. Hacker News was never good. I think after reddit most of them stopped using the internet to find each other, and have remained relatively isolated.

    Do contact me if you know where they’ve gone. Though, the smart thing for them to do is go private and stay private. Can’t September a place you don’t know exists.

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  • Aaron Says:

    Reads like an overlong laundry list of Things Progs Do Not Like: South Park, Warhammer 40K, the Koch brothers, a coup in Chile, gamergate, new atheism, etc. It is amazing how much potential there is to see your enemy in everything. Or at least, it pays to create that impression if you’re a student desperate to reach the assigned page count (20 by a nose).

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  • Chuck Says:

    “Neo-reactionaries must be fought on their own ground (the internet), and with their own tactics: doxⅺng especially, which has been shown to be effeⅳe at threatening the alt-right.”.

    Which has a better chance of obtaining the critical mass to destigmatize: Neo-reaction or Altright? Explain.

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  • NRK Says:

    The use of the vulgar-marxist definition of fascism as anti-communist dictatorship(!) -which does have a certain merit in explaining a number of related phenomena, if not their diverging ideologies- is particularly puzzling given that the article mentions Walter Benjamin’s theory of the aesthecization of politics and war. Nothing seems further from what NRx, at least in the XS variant is (overtly) doing. If anything, it despises the aesthetics of populist politics, and it only (though massively) aesteticizes a type of violence which it pretends isn’t violence at all: killing by exposure.
    This last fact alone would certainly warrant some sort of freudo-marxian analysis, but I for one am too lethargic for that kind of thing.

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  • Carl Says:

    The pretentious “scholarly” tone, the journalistic omniscience (while screwing up the details), the sanctimonious paranoia, the blithe assumption of competence etc etc

    All in all, I got the impression that right-wing people are interesting and left-wing people are boring.

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  • Anomaly UK Says:

    I like the almost explicit use of the “I do not like the consequences of this assertion, therefore it is false” mode of reasoning:

    > “If we cannot distinguish fascism from other forms of bourgeois rule, then we should not complain when we hear the sound of jackboots marching”

    The history of the personal computer and hobby computing is as hopeless as it is irrelevant. Shame the Apple II wasn’t a success, I thought it might do quite well.

    I see the author fulfils admin’s wish of including Yudkowsky as NRx, that was quick.

    Does anyone here take the Matrix seriously as anything but a library of imagery? I never found any ideas in it that weren’t shallow and idiotic.

    Positivism is dead and buried (except among those who actually care about the real world). The Sokal hoax was not when continental philosophy was first ridiculed as bullshit, it was when continental philosophers first discovered what the rest of humanity thought of them.

    So, long discussion of the origins of NRx, not very good but not terrible, short discussion of the origins of the Alt-right, comparatively very sketchy and incomplete, and then the frankly inexplicable, though not unprecedented, claim that because we are vaguely on speaking terms, the Alt-right and Gamergate have been “absorbed into neoreaction”.

    And then an utter failure to even attempt to connect any of these pieces back to the long dreary history, and multiple descriptions and definitions, of fascism that the piece started with.

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    Mariani Reply:

    >Does anyone here take the Matrix seriously as anything but a library of imagery? I never found any ideas in it that weren’t shallow and idiotic.

    Only teenagers think that that movie has any deep ideas. Watch Cloud Atlas, it’s where the Wachowskis show their hands as being boring and hamfisted

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    Ahote Reply:

    >except among those who actually care about the real world

    Positivism has done far more damage than even Marxism-Leninism did.

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    Mariani Reply:

    Explain

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    Son_of_Olorus Reply:

    +1 , What damage has positivism done and how is it in excess of the damage that Marxism-leninism has done.

    As far as my knowledge of Marxism/Leninism and the governments they have spawned, i find it hard to believe that anything can top the damage it has caused.

    Ahote Reply:

    It goes back to that quote
    A half-truth is much worse than a whole lie because it makes it even harder to tell the difference between the two.
    The mainstream (i.e. non-Austrian) economics is positivist. Nuff’ said…
    But here’s an explanation, Marxism-Leninism gripped only parts of the world, the New Economics now holds all of it (except North Korea, possibly some other places). The damage done to the world economy (and to the reputation of ‘capitalism’) is unfathomable. That is what I had in mind, but, of course it goes without saying that positivism is also responsible for moral decay and all the degeneracy of today. By rejecting metaphysics it provided a convenient excuse to wave away any and all ethics (that’s probably why from Bertrand Russell to Amazing Atheist, positivists tend to be the very worst of degenerates, I’m not going to go all psychoanalytical but it seems reasonable to assume that degenerate people seek not the truth, but a philosophical system that would completely excuse their degeneracy – it’s probably a reason why almost all left-libertarians are into sexual degeneracy and drugs).

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